You need new firmware actually. You can download it here - ifi-audio.com/downloads/ from the tab "other firmware" - than choose to download 5.3c (sub-version). Now go to your iFi installation folder (for example: C:\Program Files\iFi\USB_HD_Audio_Driver) and run firmware updater called: iFiHDUSBAudio_dfuapp.exe There you can choose firmware you already downloaded, click START to flash it onto your device and it will be over in few seconds. ZEN will then restart itself and start glowing yellow. You're done! Cheers!
@@iiWiReviews Thank you! Something I find weird: Even before doing this, the only color I've seen when playing anything is green. I'm not an audio expert, but I downloaded a ".dsf" file from a free website, and also a ".flac" file. I played both using GOM player and Windows player, and the color was always green. Does this sound unexpected? Is that how you play higher quality audio or is something else needed? I'm afraid of upgrading yet because since I've always seen only green, I won't know if the upgrade was successful or not...
It might have to do something with your windows settings and player. First you need to go to Windows playback devices, find Zen and in settings disable all enhancements as well as allow apps to take exclusive control over the device. When that's done, players like Foobar and AIMP 3 can send bit-perfect signal to DACs, without any re-sampling taking place on windows side. I don't know if GOM is capable of doing that... so you should experiment a bit.
@@iiWiReviews So, i have a problem. I connected the zen to my pc and to my laptop via usb 3.0 cable. Both computers use windows 10. On both computers there is no ifi installation folder. On both computers there is the driver "USBaudio 2" by microsoft, which runs the device named "ifi (by AMR) HD USB Audio". The drivers are installed automatically in "C:\windows\system32\drivers\usbaudio2.sys". So: 1. How can I see which driver / filter is installed on the ifi zen? 2. How can i change the driver manually? I have already downloaded the gto filter from the ifi website. I Have no access to iFiHDUSBAudio_dfuapp.exe. 3. Is it possible that the gto filter is already installed on the zen by default? I can see different colours when i use the zen.
@@amtq I updated my firmware and then it changed colors to the right kinda file you are playing. I had the same problem and thought it was weird so I just updated and it was fixed.
iFi audio hey, can you answer a quick question for me? I have the idac2 and i love it but considering the zen for preout function. Would you say that its a down grade from the idac2 or is just as good? I dont mind getting the ipower option if it helps in audio quality. Hope you could help me out. Thanks
I really enjoy the way you describe how a piece of equipment sounds. I can get a clear mental picture of how an item will actually sound. Thank you for being so detailed. 😁
You are a true audiophile, one who takes the time to examine all the details and experiment. Many of us don't take the time to appreciate what some devices have to offer when used in a decent audio system. Cheers!
I am using the iFi Zen DAC with Sendy Aiva cups and just updated the DAC firmware from 5.3 to 5.3C. Didn't expect that much, but surprisingly its really worth doing it. A big benefit is also that the TrueBass seems to be more moderate than before as it was a bit too much. Thank you for the video!
I subbed because, like you, I prefer the sound produced by the mid and high end Burr Brown DACs over every other chipset I’ve heard. Eventually, I bought the iFi iDSD Pro, and I stopped looking. It is the perfect match to my tastes. Extreme clarity and detail without sounding sterile like so many others do. No listening fatigue, ever. Very Pricey, though. Thanks for a great video!
Many thanks for your review. I have been using iFi Zen DAC v1. balanced connection with HD660s and I love the experience. Very smooth, natural and realistic sound with a touch of warmth. With 150 ohm impedance of the headphones, I never need to turn the volume above 11 o’clock. (I downloaded the 5.3c firmware, no iFi power) I mainly listen to classical music (streaming from apple music lossless) which I think HD660s and Zen DAC combo is excellent for this genre. No matter it’s Chopin’s nocturne (solo piano) or Schubert’s string quartets or symphonies from Beethoven and Mahler involving 100 + pieces of instruments of varied tones and textures, the Zen DAC plus HD660s reproduce them with ease and accuracy. The HD660S makes me feel I am sitting right in the best seat of the concert hall.
@@leonardorimediotti5181 can you tell the difference between with iPower and without iPower? I plugged in my iPower and the zen dac just don't restart, it happens nothing!
Hi. I love your reviews. Why? Because you are very thorough and you stay focused. I mean you thoroughly explain each point. The technical knowledge you possess is very obvious. Another thing...I appreciate your tonality and speed. I can very easily follow what you are saying as you explain every important aspect, and you give viewers a chance to "digest" what you are saying. An example is how you go into detail with the optional AC adapter, the pros and cons. You also have great pitch and make it very easy to follow along. But that accent, where are you from please? Your English is well pronounced and you speak slowly and clearly. I am a crazy audiophile like you too! I purchased the Zen DAC a few days ago and I know exactly what you are saying. It is definitely the BEST DAC at this price point. I own now, amongst other brands like Schiit, Grace Designs and Audioquest Red/ Black PLUS now a total of 3 IFI DAC's. Thank you for keeping it real and keep em coming!
Hey! Just so you know, I got a new Zen DAC and they now include a 3.5mm to 1/4" adapter. Apparently this was added recently according to their Amazon page.
Having watched this review (and others) I have decided to purchase this unit. My setup is Beyerdynamics headphones, model DT770 80ohms + desk PC. I have to admit that iiWi was so right in every aspect of his review, that it just bothers my mind... He is right that the product is good, and he is right that after firmware upgrade it is much better indeed. So now the last step in front of me - separate Power Supply. But not sure if I decide to do it, as the soud signature I am receiving on this DAC, with newest Windows driver and GTO firmware is just excellent: more dynamics, more detailed (but still no harsh in trebles, that are present in my DT770 without this DAC), sound stage wider, just like more stereo now, comparing to standard, out-of-the-box firmware. Thank you iiWi for such a full, complete, and greatly supporting review!
I think a more practical reason for using a power cord plugged into an outlet is for connecting devices like a phone or external DAP to the Zen DAC instead of a computer. A portable device can power the Zen DAC but it will drain your device relatively quickly.
follow up message for those looking at the Zen DAC possible purchase, BUY IT! but one must immediately update firmware to 5.3C GTO filter as it is a huge upgrade in PCM sound, the already stellar MQA remains unchanged I am choosing this DAC in a system over $10K USD have tried dozens of DACs in my kit up to $2K, and this one is most musical and resolving without being analytical 5 stars ⭐️
You really are an excellent reviewer. I've just watched and read several other reviews of this product from well respected reviewers. I don't expect everyone to cover everything BUT.....only YOU mentioned the firmware update!! So relevant. You always cover relevant details - for instance, advising, where possible, to use the low gain setting to allow use of the volume control away from the troublesome area where tracking errors can cause channel inbalance - great advice. You know what you're talking about AND you're modest too. Excellent. I know you liked the Khadas Toneboard (which I own), but it seems you might have a preference for this Zen. Am I right? Thanks very much. Regards Graham.
Thanks! I do have a very slight preference towards Zen but the difference is not big enough for me to advice someone owning Khadas to upgrade. But, yes, if I was choosing between the two for the first time now, I'd go with Zen.
My 15 year old little dac (a modded ART DI/O) also improved a lot when I changed the 800mA 12V (10W) power supply to a custom 3.5A 12V (40W) power supply, so no surprise here. I did that 15 years ago, and I've kept my dac ever since. I don't kno how it compares to something like the iFi Zen, but it still sounds great. If I change, it will be for something like the Sabaj D5 which should be a step up to everything you've reviewed so far. USB 2.0 is limited to 400mW and USB is limited to 1.5W I believe.
It's usb 3.0, which can provide 0.9 or 1.5 amp output depending on whether it's dedicated charging. That's still only 4.5 and 7.5 watts respectively. 💪
Just got the Ifi iPower low noise 5v adapter for $50 and can absolutely, 100% confirm it significantly improves the sound quality. Everything is just that much better and noticeably so. I dont know about more expensive power sources, but that $49 one iFi sells is incredible.
Great review, subbed. I'm receiving mine soonish whenever the shipping from UK comes through to the mainland EU but I'm stoked to try it with my HD660s and Grado S80's and Tin IEMs. Your review makes me even more stoked, great info.
I finally got my Zen Dac and I love it. It's so good. I did the firmware update. I guess the only part I wish it had was a power button, I kinda just stays on all the time (unless I just dont know how to shit it off. But otherwise, it's incredible. Build quality, outputs, sound quality. Really really good. Thank you so much for your comprehensive, detailed review; especially with the firmware update, which sharpened the sound. You did an excellent job and really made my decision easy. I appreciate it. Thank you!
I'm glad you like it. Yeah, it's auto-powered, it stays on as long as your PC is powered and when it's not ZEN goes to standby too. That's OK with me though, less for me to do. :) Enjoy the music!
Just in case anyone was curious, iFi stated that it's perfectly fine to leave it on all the time. I have the iPower and was really weary about it but now I'm confident in leaving it that way. Yes, great review indeed! 👍
I love this amp/dac for the price, connections and sound quality. I use it mainly as a bedside amp for Sennheiser HD600. However with HD600 I find linear filter better and more natural sounding especially in upper mid range. GTO is not default filter probably because firmware wasn't ready at launch or perhaps because it comes with some drawbacks. With GTO filter you loose bit perfect decoding and everything is converted to MQA. It is less natural sound to me, everything seems boosted and power match button (gain switch becomes some sorts of loudness switch as a result). It might have different results on different headphones and be suitable for speakers but in my setup I prefer linear filter from previous firmware (5.2 and 5.3 without "c").
@@countach84 Yes, you can downgrade firmware to the previous one. It's as easy as update process and I think ifi support section website has it all explained.
On a sidenote. The _best_ 5V power supply is the one inside your PC, if you purchased one >100USD. I have a Titanium Enermax one (ca 180€), connecting the 5V rail from your supply to this device provides you with probably the best and super stable 5V.
after buying an audiophile ifi ipower 5v power supply, the sound quality and power has been significantly improved by 25% . this is where the dac zen gives all are potential. www.amazon.fr/Audio-iPower-C%C3%A2ble-dalimentation-Noir/dp/B01GNNXP0Y?th=1
yes and also no. it has to do with your motherboard as well. i have a $240 asus strix motherboard and it has 2 usb 3.2 gen 2 ports that deliver 5v 3amps easily.
What type of files are you playing that you experienced the sound benefit of the GTO filter? Mine came with 5.3 and the GTO is 5.3c. I read on forums that if you are just using PCM files that 5.2 was the better sounding and more organic sounding. That was confirmed via communication with Ifi. Also confirmed by me. I definitely prefer the 5.2 over the 5.3. I thought the GTO filter was for Tidal MQA files. Did you experience better sound with other files as well? I agree with the added power supply benefits. I got Ifi's I Power and noticed the subtle improvement for sure. Cheers
Hi, can you do a test with Zen streamer and Zen dac 2 as "two in one? I am interested in whether a better sound will be obtained compared to using the spdif (coaxial) output on Zen streamer? I keep in mind to interconect Zen streamer with Zen dac 2 and after that to interconect with power amplifier with good rca cables. You can share your opinion about that if you are not planing to make test with both devices.
First Of All Front Balanced Output Also 4.4mm Pentaconn Output not 2.5mm Balanced... But it's a very helpful and great & detailed review overall describe all tiny little details so great work MAN 💝
Hello and thank you once again for your detailed review. I appreciate that you are all about the sound and curious on how to make the device sound better (ie. lPS)! May I suggest you add the element of seeing how the item you are reviewing sound via IEM, HP and through 2 channel amp/speaker set-up so one can gauge how versatile the reviewed item is. It appears that you like the smooth tonality of the Burr Brown DAC chip. I wonder if you can tell me how this DAC sounds when compared you the Kadas TB? BTW- to those considering upgrading their ZenDAC with the Ifi wall wart that already have a iPad, try the switching power supply from the tablet first as they are very well made as well.
Really detailed review - one of the two best I have watched! I got the Zen Stream and now ordered the Dac v2. Do you know if the GTO filter is installed in the V2?
Good review man, keep it up, totally subscribing. I would have considered this one, but I just got a smsl m500, again looking for an MQA capable dac on the cheap. This one is cheaper, but I must say I'm loving the remote on the m500 and independent volume for headphones and rcas in the back, so I'm using it as a nice pre-amp too - I guess I could do it with this one too, but it would be less convenient.
hi iiWi, just purchased a used sundara can recently which previous owner have mod the cable to 2.5mm balance, can i just add an adapter to make it compatible with zen or do u think i need to change the whole cable to 4.4mm to run balance? and do you recommend getting the ifi zen can to make it a combo would benefit much for the sundara? thx
Zen Dac has issue with the 4.4mm port, iv had two units and both times the audio drops on the left channel i have to wiggle at the port to make it come back.
I ordered this over the Loxjie D10 as an upgrade from my e10K for the He 4XX. I was also looking at the Fiio K 5 Pro but was impressed with the specs of the Ifi Zen (and the Loxjie). Hope my decision was in alignment with what you're observing in the sub $200 Dac amp desktop combo arena. Im very excited, I think this unit is a winner. Will report back.
@@iiWiReviews the e10K is ok. I wouldn't recommend it simply because there are better options in 2019. The amp isnt that powerful and the DAC isnt clean. Its better than onboard but when you try other DACs, the e10K shows its limits. I believe someone said that the bass boost function never fully turns off so that explains muddier sound compared to other DAC (??) But anyhow, if you buy an E10K you'll be happy but soon be looking for a replacement for not much more money. Id probably go FX Dac amp (on Massdrop for $45) or save up for something like this or buy like an Atom and save up for a Dac later. These type of options didnt exist until recently. The problem with E10K is its essentially a waste of $70 cause youll soon be wanting to replace both the Amp and the Dac. Maybe the K3 or Q1 are better.
@@MrAhuraMazda I use my Fiio e10k as a converter from USB (PC) to coaxial and feed a Topping DX3 Pro (it improves the sound), and use the 3.5 output to feed some Logitech speakers, so it is useful
@@jessreggae the Topping doesnt have a USB connection? That seems odd for a DAC? Or are you saying you're using the e10K essentially as a splitter for its 3.5 out?
Koji je najbolji izbor u kategoriji do 150 e.Prioriteti su separacija i sound stage. iFi Zen DAC ili Allo DIGIONE ili TOPPING E30.Svakako imam rasberry p.
Hi iiwi, I tried to connect 5V power supply according to your introduction, would you know what happened? the sound has completely changed, strong and full of energy , TRUEBASS fully reflected, this's the sound I need it, before I almost took it back. Thank you so much !
Another excellent, and very well articulated review. Quick question --> Do you advise the need of external power supply if this is purely being used to run a pair of active monitors ? or the external power supply makes a difference only when the device is being used as a Headphone amp. Thanks Mate :)
Thanks. Low noise power supply improves sound on both headphone out and line-out. However, it's difficult to recommend if you should buy one or not... It seems like different people value that improvement differently. But be sure to try a firmware with GTO filter at least. Cheers!
Hello! I just bought a Zen Dac V2 and it does not allow me to control the volume of Windows 10 (on the OS), I can only do it from the Dac wheel. Please could you tell me if this can be modified? I already installed all the software and firmware versions and I couldn't fix the problem. Maybe there is some software or firmware that can fix the problem. Thanks!
I just ordered dx3 pro+ for my Harman Kardon Soundsticks speaker. Can you recommend best budget DAC for my affordable edifier 1280dbs as well as my head unit of my car? Should I get Ifi zen air dac? Or FX audio X6? Ifi uno? Topping DX1? I also wili use it for my phone as the source as well as my headphones on the desk.
What disappoints me the most about this DAC is that is accepts only a single digital input. It’s appears to be designed just for computer users. I would have bought it if it supported toslink, hdmi, coax etc.
I have an is use when using the the rca out. On my studio monitors I hear background noise of the usb connection as if i can hear the data what's being send from my pc to the dac. Really strange. I first used rca to rca which was the worst then used rca to xlr Cable and it is better but still i can hear this transferring noise...
@@iiWiReviews so personally you prefer the E30 even with the GTO update? I'm puzzled now. I was leaning towards getting the Topping PA3 + E30 for my PC but all the review about the Zen makes me wondering... at the same price, which one to get? the E30 having the benefit of matching the amplifier. And iFi doesn't have a proper amp (you know the one you connect to speakers) Or should I get a totally different amp for my small bookshelf speakers. I don't listen to headphones a lot so headphone amp is of little interest to me. Thank you.
Thank you for the review I love my ifi xDSD with Burr Browns Thought about upgrading to the 5.3c firmware for a long time the GTO Filter sounds nice on the Pro iDSD from what I read
On V2 I find True Bass quite usefull, especialy given most of my cans are shouty. MH751's (which are takstar pro 82's in disguise), Samson sr850's etc. In electronic music it's a coin flip, because it overcompensates most genres, but instrumentals need it in my opinion to flesh out the bass guitars, drums and cello's which are hard to notice sometimes with TB off.
Can you please test: if you connect an Android phone via USB OTG and have the power supply of the dac plugged in, does the dac draw power from the phone?
I am new in this world of hi fi and to start I bought the hd6xx from the drop company, those headphones will arrive in 1 week. I'm looking for an amp + dac that can be a good combo with these headphones (the best I can get with my budget) for each one I have approximately $170, and I'm looking for options that I can buy from Aliexpress, because in my country (Peru) shipping and taxes are cheap from this page. I read a lot and saw quite a few reviews about equipment such as: DAC: Topping e30 - Topping d30 - Khadas Tone Board - Topping dx3 pro - Topping d50 - Ifi zen dac - Smsl sanskrit 10th MKII - Smsl m8a - other? AMP: SMSL SP100 - Topping L30 - Topping d10s - Topping a50s - Little Dot MKII - Ifi zen can - other? Thank you very much for your patience and for your advice as it is very difficult to enter this world with little knowledge, and so many options in this price range. Sorry for the spam =/
Good day from Canada!!! I need help. I've purchased this device (still waiting for it to arrive - May 15th) and trying to figure out on how to connect it. I want to put it as a stationary device in between my IPad mini 2 to my vintage integrated amplifier (using it mostly as a DAC). Please tell me in details what cables do I need to connect it all correctly. Thanks a million in advance.
Good day to you too! iFi already provides USB cable and RCA cable... RCA will be used for connecting with your amp. But if I'm correct, iPad uses Apple's lightning connector instead of standard USB... That means you're going to need some sort of lightning to USB adapter for it. I'm not Apple user myself so can't really recommend any.
3.5 mm is analog out that uses internal DAC... You can connect 3.5 mm to RCA on your Amp directly, but the sound quality would be mediocre. If you want to use external DAC, you need to use digital out (lightening port to DAC and than DAC to amp). So you'd need to find a Lightning to USB Type B cable first... So you can hook DAC to your iPad.
Thank you iiWi reviews!! I purchased this Zen Dac V2 based on your review. The Zen Dac? :) :) I down loaded the 3.2 firmware, I have it plugged into my USB. (The additional Ifi external low noise power plug that I bought separately never worked so I have a repair ticket with Ifi). However, I don't know if I need it. (To be fair I have a mother board with the rare DAC-UP USB(USB designed to push out audiophile low noise power). The Zen Dac V2 as good as my old Burson. It does indeed sound just IiWi says it does. However, I worried that it would be too smooth on top. No way. It is very dynamic and alive on the top end. With the standard cable and bass boost, My HD 600 headphones sound perfect? However... I bought balanced cables as well--it is significantly louder overall, it is more aggressive and has more bite, and it is more forward . However, the Bass Boost can sound congested and bloated with the balanced cables. I think of the Balanced cables as a GREAT 2nd sound option when the situation calls for this!) Bottom line-:) :) :) . . . . .
Thanks iiWi for your reply, I wanted to confirm my suspicions about the two DAC's. My only concern with the Zen DAC is compatibility with Linux and using the GTO firmware with it...will it work? I believe I will have to use Windows for the update/upgrade, but, then plug the Zen into my Linux computer. :-)
@@iiWiReviews The literature does indicate smart devices which would include Android which uses the Linux kernel...so in theory it should work. I wrote technical support to inquire further. Thanks again!
@@iiWiReviews For those using Linux here is my reply from iFi support...Thanks for your ticket. We don't support Linux, but if the operating system supports USB audio class 2.0 then it will work. Yes update firmware via Windows or Mac, you'll still get the benefits of the GTO. We hope this clarifies. Thanks. Connor Technical Support
@@DistroUser this is useful information thank you. This means I will be able to use the USB output from a raspberry-pi as my source with PiCorePlayer as the operating system?
@@brucemcnair8887 Hm, I don't have a Mac to check that out but in official release they say it is supported: "ZEN DAC connects to PCs and Macs, or smart devices such as tablets or phones, via USB." Maybe try with iFi support and they can give some advice about it...
If in US and need only DAC part, than maybe consider Schiit Modi Multibit (review coming soon) that has nice power supply inside the DAC itself and really rich sound. If you're gonna use it with headphones, than Fiio K5 pro is a great competition for ~170 and EarMen TR-Amp is even better for ~250 (you can find both of these reviewed here on the channel).
hi iiWi, is the firmware update needed for the zen can as well? i just got a used sundara, and already got the zen dac, would you recommend to add the zen can combo for the sundara?
I haven't tried it so can't tell you much about it. However, since Can is the amplifier only, it doesn't even have a firmware or any sort of signal processing - it's all hardware/amplification, zero software. It's also much more powerful than Zen DACs amp section so it stands to reason it works better (sounds firmer and more dynamic) with headphones that are heavy load.
Hi iiWi Reviews, thanks for the great review! I actually went out and bought one of these after watching your reviews and they are really good. Was wondering if you could point to me the direction of the linear phase filter firmware. Where can i download this from? Can't seem to find it on their firmware list
You can download it here - ifi-audio.com/downloads/ from the tab "various product firmware" - than choose to download 5.3c (sub-version). Now go to your iFi installation folder (for example: C:\Program Files\iFi\USB_HD_Audio_Driver) and run firmware updater called: iFiHDUSBAudio_dfuapp.exe There you can choose firmware you already downloaded, click START to flash it onto your device and it will be over in few seconds. ZEN will then restart itself and start glowing yellow. You're done! Cheers!
@@iiWiReviews Thank you so much for your reply! I've went to the process already and flashed the 5.3c onto the dac. But if i want to revert back to the Linear Phase Filter, where do i find the download for this firmware specifically? It doesn't seem to be listed
on asr it measured mediocre. But i guess thats the point of having a loose sound. As long as its not so bad that noise drowns detail. Looking for best dac based on electrical measurements vs ear might be a pit fall. At some point in the future ill try some badly measuring dac but i dont know if i can give up a more analytical sound that i like.
I don't know what to choose between this and the Loxjie D10. I don't know either if I want a dac amp like this or the btr5. Any recommendations? I have HD600 and KPH30i
Thank you for the review. I've just bought the Hifiman he4xx , should I get the zen dac or the fiio k3 or what ? I care more about low latancy and good imaging than the sound quality because I'm a hardcore gamer.
Its 200ohm output impedance will colour everything which is why you might like it with certain headphones such as dynamic drivers as this would boost the bass. But this mess up damping and speed of headphone.
iFi claims headphone output impedance of < 1 Ohm on both balanced and unbalanced outputs. Line-Out impedance is something completely different because it goes to amplifier which have tens of kilo-Omhs of input impedance, that's perfectly normal.
No you shouldn't mix balanced input (4.4) with single-ended out (RCA)... That's only meant for balanced gear, the number of pins and technology used are different. There are adapters that can extract single-ended signal from balanced out but you gain absolutely nothing that way.
Measurement and power wise it's a bit disappointing other than that i like the aesthetics and features, sound quality seems good as well. A fine feature rich entry level ''subjectivist'' dac amp combo. I prefer K5 pro or Creative G6 over this but i haven't compared them sound wise. If they can make a bigger brother to this i might be interested. How is this compared to E30 ?
@@iiWiReviews Thanks. I have Hifiman Ananda and i'm looking for more punchy dacs and amps with good speed, macro dynamics and slam. Ananda bass and treble is a bit softer and laidback than i like. I need more crisp and punch like Beyer's and laid back vocals. I'm considering E30 and THX SP200.
@@iiWiReviews Hey does using a power adapter plug on a dac effect the sound? Like using a EU to UK adapter. Also what about using a long extension cord, any negative effect?
Would you recommend Zen DAc or the Khadas Tone Board? From where did you get the best sound output in the Khadas Tone Board. USB input or SPDIF input or Direct 40 pin GPIO input. Also your suggestions for the best output possibilities and input possibilities are appreciated. Thanks Praveen Leen
Khadas is more neutral sounding, Zen is warmer in the bass and brighter in the highs. Out of the box I would choose Khadas. But with firmware update to 5.3C and linear power supply I would choose Zen. Khadas sounds great on both USB and SPDIF, very tiny tiny differences... choose whatever is more convenient for you. Haven't used GPIO.
the newest appears to be 7.0. replacing 5.3, presumably.... I have it installed, but the color is still green. Is the color change expectation now out of date? I confirmed that the 7.0 is on-board now.
It would really be helpful if you discussed some options for a low noise 5v power supply. Does it have a 5.5x2.1 connector? How many amps does it pull? How does one know whether the the supply is "low noise." Linear v. switching? Most of them on Amazon look like variable voltage devices. Thanks.
Hi Gregory! Yes it is 5.5 x 2.1 mm plug. Zen is using around 1.5 W or 0.3 A, not much at all. It's difficult for me to recommend any power supply since I build my own according to SuperTeddyReg schematics. Low noise power supplies are predominantly linear, but some of them are switching PSs and that's OK too. Final result is more important than how it was achieved. I heard nice words from a friend about iFi's own iPower brick and they're not that expensive either, costing around $50. It might be a good purchase for ZEN. Cheers!
@iWii Reviews Hi guy I really appreciate your videos and I have an advice to ask you. I would buy a Dac around 100 - 150 € to put a bluetooth receiver with and I hesitate between SMSL M100 mk2, SMSL Santhkrit 10th mk2, Topping E30 and this iFi Zen Dac, which one do you recommend me, Thanks to your answer.
Thanks! I haven't heard M100 MKII but among other ones I would probably choose between Topping E30 (for wide and airy sound) and Sanskrit 10th MKII (for denser and warmer sound). Both are equally good, it's just a matter of preference. Zen DAC would be my choice if I needed to use headphone out too, otherwise I believe both E30 and 10th MKII are slightly more capable DACs.
@@iiWiReviews Thank you very much for having enlightened me in this choice ! Your advice was precious for me 🙏, Continue your Dac reviews videos they are best on RUclips !
Can you share more details on how exactly you updated the driver? How can I confirm I have the new driver and it is being used?
You need new firmware actually. You can download it here - ifi-audio.com/downloads/ from the tab "other firmware" - than choose to download 5.3c (sub-version). Now go to your iFi installation folder (for example: C:\Program Files\iFi\USB_HD_Audio_Driver) and run firmware updater called: iFiHDUSBAudio_dfuapp.exe
There you can choose firmware you already downloaded, click START to flash it onto your device and it will be over in few seconds. ZEN will then restart itself and start glowing yellow. You're done! Cheers!
@@iiWiReviews Thank you! Something I find weird: Even before doing this, the only color I've seen when playing anything is green. I'm not an audio expert, but I downloaded a ".dsf" file from a free website, and also a ".flac" file. I played both using GOM player and Windows player, and the color was always green. Does this sound unexpected? Is that how you play higher quality audio or is something else needed? I'm afraid of upgrading yet because since I've always seen only green, I won't know if the upgrade was successful or not...
It might have to do something with your windows settings and player. First you need to go to Windows playback devices, find Zen and in settings disable all enhancements as well as allow apps to take exclusive control over the device. When that's done, players like Foobar and AIMP 3 can send bit-perfect signal to DACs, without any re-sampling taking place on windows side. I don't know if GOM is capable of doing that... so you should experiment a bit.
@@iiWiReviews So, i have a problem. I connected the zen to my pc and to my laptop via usb 3.0 cable. Both computers use windows 10. On both computers there is no ifi installation folder. On both computers there is the driver "USBaudio 2" by microsoft, which runs the device named "ifi (by AMR) HD USB Audio". The drivers are installed automatically in "C:\windows\system32\drivers\usbaudio2.sys". So:
1. How can I see which driver / filter is installed on the ifi zen?
2. How can i change the driver manually? I have already downloaded the gto filter from the ifi website. I Have no access to iFiHDUSBAudio_dfuapp.exe.
3. Is it possible that the gto filter is already installed on the zen by default? I can see different colours when i use the zen.
@@amtq I updated my firmware and then it changed colors to the right kinda file you are playing. I had the same problem and thought it was weird so I just updated and it was fixed.
Thanks for checking out the Zen Dac!
I just bought one after watching this review a couple of weeks ago and it really does have great SQ. So impressed with it!
iFi audio hey, can you answer a quick question for me? I have the idac2 and i love it but considering the zen for preout function. Would you say that its a down grade from the idac2 or is just as good? I dont mind getting the ipower option if it helps in audio quality.
Hope you could help me out. Thanks
Can't wait for the iFi Hip DAC next!
I really enjoy the way you describe how a piece of equipment sounds. I can get a clear mental picture of how an item will actually sound. Thank you for being so detailed. 😁
You are a true audiophile, one who takes the time to examine all the details and experiment. Many of us don't take the time to appreciate what some devices have to offer when used in a decent audio system. Cheers!
Details? I'm wondering if the chip is the OPA637, but maybe it's just me.
I am using the iFi Zen DAC with Sendy Aiva cups and just updated the DAC firmware from 5.3 to 5.3C. Didn't expect that much, but surprisingly its really worth doing it. A big benefit is also that the TrueBass seems to be more moderate than before as it was a bit too much. Thank you for the video!
I subbed because, like you, I prefer the sound produced by the mid and high end Burr Brown DACs over every other chipset I’ve heard. Eventually, I bought the iFi iDSD Pro, and I stopped looking. It is the perfect match to my tastes. Extreme clarity and detail without sounding sterile like so many others do. No listening fatigue, ever. Very Pricey, though. Thanks for a great video!
Many thanks for your review. I have been using iFi Zen DAC v1. balanced connection with HD660s and I love the experience. Very smooth, natural and realistic sound with a touch of warmth. With 150 ohm impedance of the headphones, I never need to turn the volume above 11 o’clock. (I downloaded the 5.3c firmware, no iFi power)
I mainly listen to classical music (streaming from apple music lossless) which I think HD660s and Zen DAC combo is excellent for this genre. No matter it’s Chopin’s nocturne (solo piano) or Schubert’s string quartets or symphonies from Beethoven and Mahler involving 100 + pieces of instruments of varied tones and textures, the Zen DAC plus HD660s reproduce them with ease and accuracy. The HD660S makes me feel I am sitting right in the best seat of the concert hall.
I just ordered the zen dac + power and the hd6xx. I think that's a good start into the audiophile world 😁
The same for me, 6xx and ifi zen + power!!!!
@@leonardorimediotti5181 that you mean "power"? Adapter?
My combination is ZEN DAC + SONY 1AM2 play only 16bit/44.1k. Super blown my ear.
@@leonardorimediotti5181 can you tell the difference between with iPower and without iPower? I plugged in my iPower and the zen dac just don't restart, it happens nothing!
Hi. I love your reviews. Why? Because you are very thorough and you stay focused. I mean you thoroughly explain each point. The technical knowledge you possess is very obvious. Another thing...I appreciate your tonality and speed. I can very easily follow what you are saying as you explain every important aspect, and you give viewers a chance to "digest" what you are saying. An example is how you go into detail with the optional AC adapter, the pros and cons. You also have great pitch and make it very easy to follow along. But that accent, where are you from please? Your English is well pronounced and you speak slowly and clearly. I am a crazy audiophile like you too! I purchased the Zen DAC a few days ago and I know exactly what you are saying. It is definitely the BEST DAC at this price point. I own now, amongst other brands like Schiit, Grace Designs and Audioquest Red/ Black PLUS now a total of 3 IFI DAC's. Thank you for keeping it real and keep em coming!
Hey! Just so you know, I got a new Zen DAC and they now include a 3.5mm to 1/4" adapter. Apparently this was added recently according to their Amazon page.
This iFi Zen Dac is awesome! I got mine 3 days ago. It has fantastic sound quality. Thanks for the video.
which gear do you use them with?
Having watched this review (and others) I have decided to purchase this unit. My setup is Beyerdynamics headphones, model DT770 80ohms + desk PC. I have to admit that iiWi was so right in every aspect of his review, that it just bothers my mind... He is right that the product is good, and he is right that after firmware upgrade it is much better indeed. So now the last step in front of me - separate Power Supply. But not sure if I decide to do it, as the soud signature I am receiving on this DAC, with newest Windows driver and GTO firmware is just excellent: more dynamics, more detailed (but still no harsh in trebles, that are present in my DT770 without this DAC), sound stage wider, just like more stereo now, comparing to standard, out-of-the-box firmware. Thank you iiWi for such a full, complete, and greatly supporting review!
I have the same set up and the sound is phenomenal.
I think a more practical reason for using a power cord plugged into an outlet is for connecting devices like a phone or external DAP to the Zen DAC instead of a computer. A portable device can power the Zen DAC but it will drain your device relatively quickly.
follow up message for those looking at the Zen DAC possible purchase, BUY IT!
but one must immediately update firmware to 5.3C GTO filter as it is a huge upgrade in PCM sound, the already stellar MQA remains unchanged
I am choosing this DAC in a system over $10K USD
have tried dozens of DACs in my kit up to $2K, and this one is most musical and resolving without being analytical 5 stars ⭐️
You really are an excellent reviewer. I've just watched and read several other reviews of this product from well respected reviewers. I don't expect everyone to cover everything BUT.....only YOU mentioned the firmware update!! So relevant.
You always cover relevant details - for instance, advising, where possible, to use the low gain setting to allow use of the volume control away from the troublesome area where tracking errors can cause channel inbalance - great advice. You know what you're talking about AND you're modest too.
Excellent.
I know you liked the Khadas Toneboard (which I own), but it seems you might have a preference for this Zen. Am I right?
Thanks very much.
Regards
Graham.
Thanks! I do have a very slight preference towards Zen but the difference is not big enough for me to advice someone owning Khadas to upgrade. But, yes, if I was choosing between the two for the first time now, I'd go with Zen.
@@iiWiReviews Thanks for the reply.
My 15 year old little dac (a modded ART DI/O) also improved a lot when I changed the 800mA 12V (10W) power supply to a custom 3.5A 12V (40W) power supply, so no surprise here. I did that 15 years ago, and I've kept my dac ever since. I don't kno how it compares to something like the iFi Zen, but it still sounds great. If I change, it will be for something like the Sabaj D5 which should be a step up to everything you've reviewed so far.
USB 2.0 is limited to 400mW and USB is limited to 1.5W I believe.
It's usb 3.0, which can provide 0.9 or 1.5 amp output depending on whether it's dedicated charging. That's still only 4.5 and 7.5 watts respectively. 💪
Just got the Ifi iPower low noise 5v adapter for $50 and can absolutely, 100% confirm it significantly improves the sound quality. Everything is just that much better and noticeably so. I dont know about more expensive power sources, but that $49 one iFi sells is incredible.
@Bullet What website you buy it for that price as Amazon has it for $49 new and $36.75 used.
It's over 70€ here = $80 :-(
It doesn’t do anything to the sound quality and it’s $70 for a power supply:/
Love your detailed videos. Thank you for the time and effort you put into them.
Also, your voice makes me want to ditch my therapist. 😊
Great review, subbed. I'm receiving mine soonish whenever the shipping from UK comes through to the mainland EU but I'm stoked to try it with my HD660s and Grado S80's and Tin IEMs. Your review makes me even more stoked, great info.
I’m using Zen DAC with HD660 S, very happy with the results.
I finally got my Zen Dac and I love it. It's so good. I did the firmware update. I guess the only part I wish it had was a power button, I kinda just stays on all the time (unless I just dont know how to shit it off. But otherwise, it's incredible. Build quality, outputs, sound quality. Really really good.
Thank you so much for your comprehensive, detailed review; especially with the firmware update, which sharpened the sound. You did an excellent job and really made my decision easy. I appreciate it. Thank you!
I'm glad you like it. Yeah, it's auto-powered, it stays on as long as your PC is powered and when it's not ZEN goes to standby too. That's OK with me though, less for me to do. :)
Enjoy the music!
Just in case anyone was curious, iFi stated that it's perfectly fine to leave it on all the time. I have the iPower and was really weary about it but now I'm confident in leaving it that way. Yes, great review indeed! 👍
How about sudden shutdowns? I don't have a UPS for my computer so when electricity is down would it damage the always-on DAC running off usb?
Best review yet my friend, I love the look of this unit and love ifi going with Burr Brown. The balanced connection is 4.4mm pentacon or 2.5mm?
It's 4.4 Pentaconn
Yeah, it's 4.4. My mistake there... Had a brain freeze for a moment. :)
It's the better one.
Thank you. I`ve bought 5v power supply for v2 of this dac and flash GTO firmware and its going better for my DT 770 Pro
Waiting for its shipment to Bangladesh. I'm excited about it. Finally pulled the trigger after watching lots of reviews.
Best review of this I have seen 👍
I love this amp/dac for the price, connections and sound quality.
I use it mainly as a bedside amp for Sennheiser HD600.
However with HD600 I find linear filter better and more natural sounding especially in upper mid range.
GTO is not default filter probably because firmware wasn't ready at launch or perhaps because it comes with some drawbacks.
With GTO filter you loose bit perfect decoding and everything is converted to MQA.
It is less natural sound to me, everything seems boosted and power match button (gain switch becomes some sorts of loudness switch as a result).
It might have different results on different headphones and be suitable for speakers but in my setup I prefer linear filter from previous firmware (5.2 and 5.3 without "c").
Is it possible to revert to older firmware in case I won't like the GTO sound?
@@countach84 Yes, you can downgrade firmware to the previous one. It's as easy as update process and I think ifi support section website has it all explained.
On a sidenote. The _best_ 5V power supply is the one inside your PC, if you purchased one >100USD. I have a Titanium Enermax one (ca 180€), connecting the 5V rail from your supply to this device provides you with probably the best and super stable 5V.
after buying an audiophile ifi ipower 5v power supply, the sound quality and power has been significantly improved by 25% . this is where the dac zen gives all are potential.
www.amazon.fr/Audio-iPower-C%C3%A2ble-dalimentation-Noir/dp/B01GNNXP0Y?th=1
yes and also no. it has to do with your motherboard as well. i have a $240 asus strix motherboard and it has 2 usb 3.2 gen 2 ports that deliver 5v 3amps easily.
What type of files are you playing that you experienced the sound benefit of the GTO filter? Mine came with 5.3 and the GTO is 5.3c. I read on forums that if you are just using PCM files that 5.2 was the better sounding and more organic sounding. That was confirmed via communication with Ifi. Also confirmed by me. I definitely prefer the 5.2 over the 5.3. I thought the GTO filter was for Tidal MQA files. Did you experience better sound with other files as well? I agree with the added power supply benefits. I got Ifi's I Power and noticed the subtle improvement for sure. Cheers
Hi, can you do a test with Zen streamer and Zen dac 2 as "two in one? I am interested in whether a better sound will be obtained compared to using the spdif (coaxial) output on Zen streamer? I keep in mind to interconect Zen streamer with Zen dac 2 and after that to interconect with power amplifier with good rca cables. You can share your opinion about that if you are not planing to make test with both devices.
your excellent review is precisely what convinced me to purchase this device over the other choices I was considering.
Is the Fiio K5 Pro on your purchase list?
I am very happy with the gto filter on my ifi nano idsd black label as well. The other filters felt missing focus
First Of All Front Balanced Output Also 4.4mm Pentaconn Output not 2.5mm Balanced...
But it's a very helpful and great & detailed review overall describe all tiny little details so great work MAN 💝
Thanks! Yeah, I made that mistake - added correction beneath the video. Cheers and good tunes to you!
Hello and thank you once again for your detailed review. I appreciate that you are all about the sound and curious on how to make the device sound better (ie. lPS)! May I suggest you add the element of seeing how the item you are reviewing sound via IEM, HP and through 2 channel amp/speaker set-up so one can gauge how versatile the reviewed item is.
It appears that you like the smooth tonality of the Burr Brown DAC chip. I wonder if you can tell me how this DAC sounds when compared you the Kadas TB?
BTW- to those considering upgrading their ZenDAC with the Ifi wall wart that already have a iPad, try the switching power supply from the tablet first as they are very well made as well.
Really detailed review - one of the two best I have watched! I got the Zen Stream and now ordered the Dac v2. Do you know if the GTO filter is installed in the V2?
Zen Stream sounds phenomenal, but I haven't tested DAC V2.
how does this compare to the topping d50s or the d70?
Good review man, keep it up, totally subscribing. I would have considered this one, but I just got a smsl m500, again looking for an MQA capable dac on the cheap. This one is cheaper, but I must say I'm loving the remote on the m500 and independent volume for headphones and rcas in the back, so I'm using it as a nice pre-amp too - I guess I could do it with this one too, but it would be less convenient.
Thanks! M500 looks great btw, I would like to get my hands on it sometimes. :) Cheers and enjoy your tunes!
great review. in depth and more thorough. thanks!
hi iiWi, just purchased a used sundara can recently which previous owner have mod the cable to 2.5mm balance, can i just add an adapter to make it compatible with zen or do u think i need to change the whole cable to 4.4mm to run balance? and do you recommend getting the ifi zen can to make it a combo would benefit much for the sundara? thx
Can I ask about the DC 5V LPS input head, what is the size? 5.5X2.5 or 2.1mm?
i bought this DAC and it's awesome with the GTO filters
Great, enjoy it!
Muchas gracias! Sos de gran ayuda.
Do you recommend to upgrade to the power supply for this dac ?
Zen Dac has issue with the 4.4mm port, iv had two units and both times the audio drops on the left channel i have to wiggle at the port to make it come back.
Me too.
Thanks Michael!
Your video really got my attention on this DAC. 🙂
I ordered this over the Loxjie D10 as an upgrade from my e10K for the He 4XX. I was also looking at the Fiio K 5 Pro but was impressed with the specs of the Ifi Zen (and the Loxjie). Hope my decision was in alignment with what you're observing in the sub $200 Dac amp desktop combo arena. Im very excited, I think this unit is a winner. Will report back.
Hi, I never heard E10K but please write back when you get your first impressions.
@@iiWiReviews the e10K is ok. I wouldn't recommend it simply because there are better options in 2019. The amp isnt that powerful and the DAC isnt clean. Its better than onboard but when you try other DACs, the e10K shows its limits. I believe someone said that the bass boost function never fully turns off so that explains muddier sound compared to other DAC (??) But anyhow, if you buy an E10K you'll be happy but soon be looking for a replacement for not much more money. Id probably go FX Dac amp (on Massdrop for $45) or save up for something like this or buy like an Atom and save up for a Dac later. These type of options didnt exist until recently. The problem with E10K is its essentially a waste of $70 cause youll soon be wanting to replace both the Amp and the Dac. Maybe the K3 or Q1 are better.
@@MrAhuraMazda I use my Fiio e10k as a converter from USB (PC) to coaxial and feed a Topping DX3 Pro (it improves the sound), and use the 3.5 output to feed some Logitech speakers, so it is useful
@@jessreggae the Topping doesnt have a USB connection? That seems odd for a DAC? Or are you saying you're using the e10K essentially as a splitter for its 3.5 out?
Essentially, can I use the Zen RCA behind also for Logitech speakers? Would this configuration disable the headphone jack at the front?
Koji je najbolji izbor u kategoriji do 150 e.Prioriteti su separacija i sound stage. iFi Zen DAC ili Allo DIGIONE ili TOPPING E30.Svakako imam rasberry p.
Hi iiwi, I tried to connect 5V power supply according to your introduction, would you know what happened? the sound has completely changed, strong and full of energy , TRUEBASS fully reflected, this's the sound I need it, before I almost took it back. Thank you so much !
Tony London Also from ifi or are you using something generic and affordable?
Another excellent, and very well articulated review.
Quick question --> Do you advise the need of external power supply if this is purely being used to run a pair of active monitors ?
or the external power supply makes a difference only when the device is being used as a Headphone amp.
Thanks Mate :)
Thanks. Low noise power supply improves sound on both headphone out and line-out. However, it's difficult to recommend if you should buy one or not... It seems like different people value that improvement differently. But be sure to try a firmware with GTO filter at least. Cheers!
iiWi Reviews thanks for responding mate, appreciate it ! :)
Thanks! Very nice, in-depth review!
Really trust and enjoy your reviews 🙏
Hello! I just bought a Zen Dac V2 and it does not allow me to control the volume of Windows 10 (on the OS), I can only do it from the Dac wheel. Please could you tell me if this can be modified? I already installed all the software and firmware versions and I couldn't fix the problem. Maybe there is some software or firmware that can fix the problem. Thanks!
So how does one run a coaxial or toslink connection out of a streamer to this?!
Can this be connected to a cd player via the analouge inputs?
I just ordered dx3 pro+ for my Harman Kardon Soundsticks speaker. Can you recommend best budget DAC for my affordable edifier 1280dbs as well as my head unit of my car? Should I get Ifi zen air dac? Or FX audio X6? Ifi uno? Topping DX1? I also wili use it for my phone as the source as well as my headphones on the desk.
What disappoints me the most about this DAC is that is accepts only a single digital input. It’s appears to be designed just for computer users. I would have bought it if it supported toslink, hdmi, coax etc.
Nice zen duck 😉 its look amazing though 😯
does using a usb 2 cable affect the sound?
The you own any planar headphones? Are you considering getting any in a near future. Thanks for your time.
Not considering them currently cause they're quite expensive. Maybe later if and when the channel starts earning a bit and my budget is improved. :)
I have an is use when using the the rca out. On my studio monitors I hear background noise of the usb connection as if i can hear the data what's being send from my pc to the dac. Really strange. I first used rca to rca which was the worst then used rca to xlr Cable and it is better but still i can hear this transferring noise...
how would you compare zen dac against the topping e30? great review by the way 👍
Zen has warmer bass line, E30 is a bit more resolving. Personally I prefer E30 but I can see someone liking Zen better.
@@iiWiReviews thank you! Im curious about the gto filter 😁
@@iiWiReviews so personally you prefer the E30 even with the GTO update?
I'm puzzled now. I was leaning towards getting the Topping PA3 + E30 for my PC but all the review about the Zen makes me wondering... at the same price, which one to get? the E30 having the benefit of matching the amplifier. And iFi doesn't have a proper amp (you know the one you connect to speakers)
Or should I get a totally different amp for my small bookshelf speakers. I don't listen to headphones a lot so headphone amp is of little interest to me. Thank you.
Thank you for the review
I love my ifi xDSD with Burr Browns
Thought about upgrading to the 5.3c firmware for a long time
the GTO Filter sounds nice on the Pro iDSD from what I read
Not sure about other models, but if there is a similar benefit as with Zen - it's totally worth trying out.
If it sounds that good, does it mean IT DOES NEED AN AMP? Rather THIS DAC for headphones than an amp?
How does the sound quality compare to the ifi hip dac/amp?
Have you tried the schiit magni3t/Bali in comparison?
Do you recommend to do the upgrade with the GTO Filter ?
Yes, I liked that filter more personally.
On V2 I find True Bass quite usefull, especialy given most of my cans are shouty. MH751's (which are takstar pro 82's in disguise), Samson sr850's etc. In electronic music it's a coin flip, because it overcompensates most genres, but instrumentals need it in my opinion to flesh out the bass guitars, drums and cello's which are hard to notice sometimes with TB off.
Can you please test: if you connect an Android phone via USB OTG and have the power supply of the dac plugged in, does the dac draw power from the phone?
Yes this is possible just power the device first then connect your device.
Connecting to an external power supplu and using an adapter for the USB digital input can i connect the device to a smartphone?
Yes you can.
I am new in this world of hi fi and to start I bought the hd6xx from the drop company, those headphones will arrive in 1 week.
I'm looking for an amp + dac that can be a good combo with these headphones (the best I can get with my budget) for each one I have approximately $170, and I'm looking for options that I can buy from Aliexpress, because in my country (Peru) shipping and taxes are cheap from this page.
I read a lot and saw quite a few reviews about equipment such as:
DAC: Topping e30 - Topping d30 - Khadas Tone Board - Topping dx3 pro - Topping d50 - Ifi zen dac - Smsl sanskrit 10th MKII - Smsl m8a - other?
AMP: SMSL SP100 - Topping L30 - Topping d10s - Topping a50s - Little Dot MKII - Ifi zen can - other?
Thank you very much for your patience and for your advice as it is very difficult to enter this world with little knowledge, and so many options in this price range.
Sorry for the spam =/
Hi, I would go for Topping E30/L30. Very capable and powerful combo. You can also find the review for it here on the channel.
@@iiWiReviews thank you!
Are we getting Zen Can review ?
Good day from Canada!!! I need help. I've purchased this device (still waiting for it to arrive - May 15th) and trying to figure out on how to connect it. I want to put it as a stationary device in between my IPad mini 2 to my vintage integrated amplifier (using it mostly as a DAC). Please tell me in details what cables do I need to connect it all correctly. Thanks a million in advance.
Good day to you too! iFi already provides USB cable and RCA cable... RCA will be used for connecting with your amp. But if I'm correct, iPad uses Apple's lightning connector instead of standard USB... That means you're going to need some sort of lightning to USB adapter for it. I'm not Apple user myself so can't really recommend any.
iiWi Reviews It is iPad mini 2, it uses 3.5 out headphone
3.5 mm is analog out that uses internal DAC... You can connect 3.5 mm to RCA on your Amp directly, but the sound quality would be mediocre. If you want to use external DAC, you need to use digital out (lightening port to DAC and than DAC to amp). So you'd need to find a Lightning to USB Type B cable first... So you can hook DAC to your iPad.
iiWi Reviews Now I understand!!!!! Thanks a million!!!!!!!!
iiWi Reviews Also, please can you send me a link from amassing for 5v adaptor they I can use.
Great video. What would you recommend me between fiio K5 pro and iFi zen? Both are about the same price where I live. Im gonna use it with my HD58X.
K5 pro for its greater power and drive.
@@iiWiReviews thks for the answer :D What about sound quality? which would be better? srry for asking too much
Using solely as a DAC - would having the linear power supply still be a benefit, sound-quality wise?
Yes it would. Of course if the rest of the system is transparent enough.
Thank you iiWi reviews!! I purchased this Zen Dac V2 based on your review.
The Zen Dac? :) :)
I down loaded the 3.2 firmware, I have it plugged into my USB. (The additional Ifi external low noise power plug that I bought separately never worked so I have a repair ticket with Ifi). However, I don't know if I need it. (To be fair I have a mother board with the rare DAC-UP USB(USB designed to push out audiophile low noise power). The Zen Dac V2 as good as my old Burson. It does indeed sound just IiWi says it does. However, I worried that it would be too smooth on top. No way. It is very dynamic and alive on the top end. With the standard cable and bass boost, My HD 600 headphones sound perfect? However...
I bought balanced cables as well--it is significantly louder overall, it is more aggressive and has more bite, and it is more forward . However, the Bass Boost can sound congested and bloated with the balanced cables. I think of the Balanced cables as a GREAT 2nd sound option when the situation calls for this!)
Bottom line-:) :) :) . . . . .
Thanks iiWi for your reply, I wanted to confirm my suspicions about the two DAC's. My only concern with the Zen DAC is compatibility with Linux and using the GTO firmware with it...will it work? I believe I will have to use Windows for the update/upgrade, but, then plug the Zen into my Linux computer. :-)
I'm not familiar with Linux at all. :) But you should visit official page and look at installation manual. I think I saw them mentioning Linux there.
@@iiWiReviews The literature does indicate smart devices which would include Android which uses the Linux kernel...so in theory it should work. I wrote technical support to inquire further. Thanks again!
@@iiWiReviews For those using Linux here is my reply from iFi support...Thanks for your ticket. We don't support Linux, but if the operating system supports USB audio class 2.0 then it will work. Yes update firmware via Windows or Mac, you'll still get the benefits of the GTO. We hope this clarifies.
Thanks. Connor Technical Support
@@DistroUser this is useful information thank you. This means I will be able to use the USB output from a raspberry-pi as my source with PiCorePlayer as the operating system?
Would the zen dac pair better with zen can amp or magni3+ amp?
Thanks for the review. It is worth paying the higher price for a Chord Mojo?
I haven't heard Mojo yet so can't answer that one.
Dude it a chord...... If yo know chords pedigree, you'd buy one without any hesitatation
How about Ifi zen can dedicated amp
With dedicated dac like e30 or multibit
Do you have plan to do review of ifi zen can in the future?
Can I buy this, take it home, plug in my headphones and play? Or are there extra bits to do before you can use? Thanks. Great reviews.
You just have to download and install the driver from iFi website and you're ready to go.
iiWi Reviews Thanks. Seems no comparability with IOS/Mac so I'm out of luck.
@@brucemcnair8887 Hm, I don't have a Mac to check that out but in official release they say it is supported:
"ZEN DAC connects to PCs and
Macs, or smart devices such as tablets or phones, via USB."
Maybe try with iFi support and they can give some advice about it...
iiWi Reviews thanks for this. I scoured the site and saw only reference to Microsoft. I'll look again. Cheers
considering the price of the power supply briging the total at $200 what similar DAC do you recommend at that price range?
If in US and need only DAC part, than maybe consider Schiit Modi Multibit (review coming soon) that has nice power supply inside the DAC itself and really rich sound. If you're gonna use it with headphones, than Fiio K5 pro is a great competition for ~170 and EarMen TR-Amp is even better for ~250 (you can find both of these reviewed here on the channel).
Does the zen dac worm with usb1.0 device?
hi iiWi, is the firmware update needed for the zen can as well? i just got a used sundara, and already got the zen dac, would you recommend to add the zen can combo for the sundara?
I haven't tried it so can't tell you much about it. However, since Can is the amplifier only, it doesn't even have a firmware or any sort of signal processing - it's all hardware/amplification, zero software. It's also much more powerful than Zen DACs amp section so it stands to reason it works better (sounds firmer and more dynamic) with headphones that are heavy load.
Hi iiWi Reviews, thanks for the great review! I actually went out and bought one of these after watching your reviews and they are really good. Was wondering if you could point to me the direction of the linear phase filter firmware. Where can i download this from? Can't seem to find it on their firmware list
You can download it here - ifi-audio.com/downloads/ from the tab "various product firmware" - than choose to download 5.3c (sub-version). Now go to your iFi installation folder (for example: C:\Program Files\iFi\USB_HD_Audio_Driver) and run firmware updater called: iFiHDUSBAudio_dfuapp.exe
There you can choose firmware you already downloaded, click START to flash it onto your device and it will be over in few seconds. ZEN will then restart itself and start glowing yellow. You're done! Cheers!
@@iiWiReviews Thank you so much for your reply! I've went to the process already and flashed the 5.3c onto the dac. But if i want to revert back to the Linear Phase Filter, where do i find the download for this firmware specifically? It doesn't seem to be listed
It's just one of the older firmwares on that same page, I've forgot exact details to be honest, it's been a while since I had it with me. :)
@@iiWiReviews Alright no worries. Really appreciate your reply. Thanks!
Guys do you know if ifi zen will pair well with some edifier 2730db? I intend to connect it to my PC but the only reviews I see are for headphones.
on asr it measured mediocre. But i guess thats the point of having a loose sound. As long as its not so bad that noise drowns detail. Looking for best dac based on electrical measurements vs ear might be a pit fall. At some point in the future ill try some badly measuring dac but i dont know if i can give up a more analytical sound that i like.
I don't know what to choose between this and the Loxjie D10. I don't know either if I want a dac amp like this or the btr5. Any recommendations? I have HD600 and KPH30i
I liked Zen a bit more because it offers a bit smoother sound and deeper soundstage.
Thank you for the review.
I've just bought the Hifiman he4xx , should I get the zen dac or the fiio k3 or what ? I care more about low latancy and good imaging than the sound quality because I'm a hardcore gamer.
I haven't heard K3 yet but regarding Zen I haven't noticed any delay or anything that would get in a way of good gaming. Imaging is great too.
@@iiWiReviews Thanks a lot
Its 200ohm output impedance will colour everything which is why you might like it with certain headphones such as dynamic drivers as this would boost the bass. But this mess up damping and speed of headphone.
iFi claims headphone output impedance of < 1 Ohm on both balanced and unbalanced outputs. Line-Out impedance is something completely different because it goes to amplifier which have tens of kilo-Omhs of input impedance, that's perfectly normal.
@@iiWiReviews Ah i read the line out spec accidnelty. Might get this then, very inexpensive and seems well engineered.
Would this be good for the DT1990s pro?
I have this Dac and Edifier R1850db, you think that sound better if connect 4.4mm/RCA instead of RCA/RCA ?
Thanks in advance!
No you shouldn't mix balanced input (4.4) with single-ended out (RCA)... That's only meant for balanced gear, the number of pins and technology used are different. There are adapters that can extract single-ended signal from balanced out but you gain absolutely nothing that way.
Can someone please do a video that explains WTF these things are and what they do?
ifi sells the wall wart for 50$ i heard its verrry good and improves many different things. they come in different voltages.
Measurement and power wise it's a bit disappointing other than that i like the aesthetics and features, sound quality seems good as well. A fine feature rich entry level ''subjectivist'' dac amp combo. I prefer K5 pro or Creative G6 over this but i haven't compared them sound wise. If they can make a bigger brother to this i might be interested. How is this compared to E30 ?
Zen is warmer in the bass region but E30 resolves more details and sounds more spacious. If one needs DAC only, I'd rather recommend E30.
@@iiWiReviews Thanks. I have Hifiman Ananda and i'm looking for more punchy dacs and amps with good speed, macro dynamics and slam. Ananda bass and treble is a bit softer and laidback than i like. I need more crisp and punch like Beyer's and laid back vocals. I'm considering E30 and THX SP200.
What is your power supply? Nice review, I'm waiting for my Zen Dac to arrive (first dac/ampli).
As I'm an electrical engineer I actually made my own linear PS according to SuperTeddyReg schematics. Cheers and enjoy your ZEN!
@@iiWiReviews Hey does using a power adapter plug on a dac effect the sound? Like using a EU to UK adapter. Also what about using a long extension cord, any negative effect?
@@patrickf6120 no it doesn't
@@InXLsisDeo Thanks
how come they sell their own "low-noise" power supply though? Is it just audiophile snake oil?
Would you recommend Zen DAc or the Khadas Tone Board? From where did you get the best sound output in the Khadas Tone Board. USB input or SPDIF input or Direct 40 pin GPIO input. Also your suggestions for the best output possibilities and input possibilities are appreciated.
Thanks
Praveen Leen
Khadas is more neutral sounding, Zen is warmer in the bass and brighter in the highs. Out of the box I would choose Khadas. But with firmware update to 5.3C and linear power supply I would choose Zen.
Khadas sounds great on both USB and SPDIF, very tiny tiny differences... choose whatever is more convenient for you. Haven't used GPIO.
@@iiWiReviews Thanks so much sir. You're reviews are very helpful in the audiophile world. Glad to have you. Once again thank you for your time.
the newest appears to be 7.0. replacing 5.3, presumably.... I have it installed, but the color is still green. Is the color change expectation now out of date? I confirmed that the 7.0 is on-board now.
They probably solved it. My last experience was with 5.3c so I guess it's outdated now.
@@iiWiReviews and it looks like you have a new favorite anyhow...I will check that one out as well.
7.0 is for other iFi devices, not for Zen DAC
Excellent review. Thanks!
I wish it had spiff /coax input.
It would really be helpful if you discussed some options for a low noise 5v power supply. Does it have a 5.5x2.1 connector? How many amps does it pull? How does one know whether the the supply is "low noise." Linear v. switching? Most of them on Amazon look like variable voltage devices. Thanks.
Hi Gregory! Yes it is 5.5 x 2.1 mm plug. Zen is using around 1.5 W or 0.3 A, not much at all. It's difficult for me to recommend any power supply since I build my own according to SuperTeddyReg schematics. Low noise power supplies are predominantly linear, but some of them are switching PSs and that's OK too. Final result is more important than how it was achieved. I heard nice words from a friend about iFi's own iPower brick and they're not that expensive either, costing around $50. It might be a good purchase for ZEN. Cheers!
@iWii Reviews Hi guy I really appreciate your videos and I have an advice to ask you. I would buy a Dac around 100 - 150 € to put a bluetooth receiver with and I hesitate between SMSL M100 mk2, SMSL Santhkrit 10th mk2, Topping E30 and this iFi Zen Dac, which one do you recommend me, Thanks to your answer.
Thanks! I haven't heard M100 MKII but among other ones I would probably choose between Topping E30 (for wide and airy sound) and Sanskrit 10th MKII (for denser and warmer sound). Both are equally good, it's just a matter of preference. Zen DAC would be my choice if I needed to use headphone out too, otherwise I believe both E30 and 10th MKII are slightly more capable DACs.
@@iiWiReviews Thank you very much for having enlightened me in this choice ! Your advice was precious for me 🙏, Continue your Dac reviews videos they are best on RUclips !
Is there a difference in wording between V2 and V1 if we are not using MQA?
Sound no difference
Topping D30 vs iFi Zen DAC. Wich is better?. Thanks
Zen DAC is better. If you like Topping then go for E30 which is my favorite in this price range.