D Thirteen, you bring a sense of relief and confidence to someone who has been afraid to pull the trigger on a first time aircraft purchase. Too bad you’re not on the east coast. Keep on what you’re doing and START YOUR OWN RUclips CHANNEL. I think you will find a lot of people will like you.
What a awesome technician. Fish said something that I really appreciate. It was his name going into the book, that really means a lot about his attitude (wonderful!) and about the industry philosophy as a whole.
I bought a Mooney M20C a month ago. This video gave me a great view of the engine area and what certain parts do. Got it with fresh annual from Don Maxwell and everything is working great so far.
I don't mean to be dismissive, but what's the deal with these two dweezils wisecrackin when the adult is trying to teach them something ?? If Tweedle Dee & Tweedle Dum would just zip-it and listen, maybe they'd one day become real pilots.
They probably went to radio broadcast school. There are techniques that keep a wider audience listening and they appear to be using them. Personally, I’m not into that. Howard Stern does it as well as a myriad of other interviewers. It’s a conventional style of conducting interviews.
Its cool seeing this engine being used. I'm an engineer at the Continental Facility in Mobile, AL where we manufacture these engines from scratch. I'm used to seeing these in pieces and rarely see these mounted. Great Video!
I enjoyed the video with you two, your enthusiasm is fun to watch and I can remember feeling like that when I was young, many, many years ago! Keep up your enthusiasm, it will help get you through the low spots. See you next video!
Awesome video guys! Considering everything you got pretty lucky with a fairly clean aircraft! You will learn a lot more than the average student by talking with your mechanic and learning with him about your airplane, it will make you a much better pilot. Cheers!
I'm looking forward to seeing and hearing everything about this amazing aircraft. I know that there's going to be a lot of awesome things about this Cirrus SR-20. I would love to meet you both in person sometime! I love both planes, helicopters and cars. I even like motorcycles.
Fun episode but wish more time was spent with the mechanic. Some questions I wished were discussed include; - engine log book, what did mechanic’s review reveal? Engine close to TBO? - aircraft parachute, when is repacking due? - whats more reliable the continental or lycoming O-360 (cause a lot of aircraft have lycomings)? - hours on removed cylinder compared to engine TBO? what caused excess cylinder bore wear? which maker of the replacement cylinder did you decide on (oem or certified aftermarket) and why? - Did mechanic go thru list of AD’s? Thanks, DanaH
The Lycoming and Continental engines are 1935 designs, I could go on for hours but read about why the rotax 912 is built the way it is and you will learn so many things.
We have a cirrus at our maintenance college & we had to drive it around the school like 3 times, the steering does feel weird because it’s braking a wheel, it takes some time getting used to it.
I'm new to watching vids of GA, and this assessment/teardown is fascinating. I've worked on air cooled Harley engines for years, and of course (at least for pre-21st century versions) are subject to jokes about parts falling off as you're riding down the road. The reality is, they hold up surprisingly well considering the beating they take. The failures on this aircraft - particularly the power plant - absolutely astound me. An air induction tube cracking??? Brakes overheating to the point of cooking fluid and seals in normal use??? I don't get it. Those kind of failures say to me as an engineer that somebody did a piss poor design. I know about the cracked cases. WTF, are you kidding me? And knowing that these are common the factory isn't footing the bill for replacements? WOW. That is just incredible. That demonstrates a manufacturer's attitude of "We got ya hooked. If you don't like it: tough." Can't wait to see more so I can continue to be astounded!
The guys is a great Mechanic, knows his stuff very well. Im not sure if its in the making or already happened. But you should upgrade your avionics from your old stuff to like a Garmin Perspective or something glass. It makes the Cockpit look great and enhances your flight.
Great vid. Maybe I missed it, but do not understand what caused the overheating indication of that cylinder? If the barrel was 'worn out' then would that alone do it? The crack in the induction tube, not allowing enough air to get in, or sucking too much, and too much oxygen made greater temp?
Boys, don't worry that your plane is 17 years old. Remember that the engine design hasn't changed much since about 1945 or 46. Planes run the most basic, simple, least moving parts engines compared to any car engine. They're not even liquid cooled while almost 100% of snowmobiles are liquid cooled! Think about that.
I built air systems and paint systems and heating and cooling systems that were as large as your house for 40 years. Industrial sheet metal. But I've also worked on aircraft. I was great with this guy and I know that it's a minor detail. But the letter T in the word duct... is silent. Just like the L in salmon. Or the first L in the word salmonella. Having built ductwork for several decades, it is a pet peeve of mine that people do not know how to pronounce words that came into the English language from other countries but it is a pet peeve of mine the reason is is that people often use the word decimate when the word they're looking to use is devastate. If you start mispronouncing words you will soon find yourself using words that you're not supposed to use and that do not have the definition that you believe that they do. Decimate means to reduce a military force by precisely 10%. I can count on one hand the number of times I've heard somebody use that term properly just in the last 30 years since somebody started to try to apply it instead of the word devastate. Good video but with that hot cylinder you might want to look a little bit deeper. Anytime I get that deep into an engine, I always check the Pistons, lifters, valves, everything I can possibly inspect before I put it back together.
@@Airplanefish That will do it too. I burn a hole in a piston on my dirtbike when I was a kid because of an air leak. Uncontrolled leaning can be destructive.
Idk why everyone is raggin on them for talking. They seemed very respectful and their questions/comments were fairly intelligent. They just seemed excited and inexperienced in the world of aircraft maintenance, nothing wrong with that.
Great video, but cameraman stop making the nonsensical comments while your expert is talking (yep, awww, mmm, ok, here we go, OMG, ahhh, holy smokes, etc etc etc). First time viewer, but I've subscribed....
Hey Guys! I’m moving to AZ after retiring from the military, do you mind sharing the mechanics name and info? I want to hire him for all my Cirrus needs.
I had a hot running cylinder #5 on my 310 (~>390 degrees) and it turned out to be a faulty CHT probe. Probe was replaced and all is well...cylinder running below ~360 degrees during climb.
So.... if 1 cylinder is worn that badly, then the other 5 likely are too.... I'm not an aviation technician, but I am an automotive tech and that raises a flag for me.
I work on both. Automobiles and aircraft. It’s not an uncommon occurrence to renew one cylinder. This will blow your mind most aircraft engines have a .020 to.030 position to cylinder clearance spec. Talk about position rock. It’s necessary to prevent the engine cylinder from seizing on the pistons during a dive
Yanking the factory engine for something else means the aircraft must then be registered an an Experimental which would be a dumb thing to do to a Cirrus. It'd kill the plane's value.
hahah of course planes are more niche, but we'd make these videos no matter how many views we got! The engagement we get on this channel is actually higher than JR Garage
Ok...this is the first time I have ever seen these guys and I have no idea who they are or what their background is....BUT...I have owned my own Mooney for 20 years and I am watching such a high level of naivety exhibited by these two it is breathtaking. They have no idea of the expenses they are facing. Just the cylinder replacement is a $1500 job. A complete overhauled engine runs around $50k. The Garmin subscriptions run around $500/year. Do either of them even hold a private pilot license??
We are well aware of the maintenance costs. Coming from Ferraris and Lamborghinis, the repair costs are nothing new👍 Better to put up the money and know your plane is sorted, so that’s the plan.
Good job for stepping out and purchasing your first plane. All Motorsports are expensive. As long as your prepared you guys will be fine. Even if surprises develop. Keep in mind safety first and take recommendations from trusted sources. With that being said. Good luck and enjoy gaining your PPL private pIlots license 👩✈️ ✈️
GUYS, WHAT WAS THE RUSH TO BUY THIS PARTICULAR PLANE? DID YOU THINK ABOUT A PRE-PURCHASE INSPECTION? YOU PROBABLY COULD HAVE HAD THE PREVIOUS OWNER COVER THESE EXPENSES. I'M VERY HAPPY FOR YOU, YOUR MY FAVORITE CHANNEL ! ENJOY
Would make the plane experimental aircraft then. Putting in car engines is a very big deal as aircraft engines are flat 4,6 or 8 cylinders and they are air cooled. Also they run at a very low rpm. Car engines are liquid cooled and with running at much higher rpms they need a belt drive to lower the rpm to one the propeller can use. Their are several ls engine kits for kit planes, but they are heavy and not very popular. Subura engines, mazda rotaries, covair engines are propably the most popular car engine but its all for experimental planes. With a certified aircraft you are stuck using it exactly as it is basically. A company can spend a bunch of money to allow you to buy a certificate that says you can run regular unleaded in the engine. Or gap seals which cover the gap between the wing and the flaps which can potentially make the plane faster or vortex generators which go on the wing and lower the stall speed. But with a certified aircraft and a&p has to install the parts and then sign off on it in the logbook. Plus the company had to have tested those parts on that exact make and model plane and faa approved the final paperwork showing it was safe the manufacturer sends to faa. With experimental you just go buy and put on yourself and sign your own logbook. Certified parts are always 2 to 3 times the price of the exact same thing non certified. Ps that engine is 30k to 50k new.
It is unusual for a 17 yo plane to have the original engine and/or not having under-gone a major overhaul. TBO for the engine is 2000 hours. Nothing unusual in this video except replacing a cylinder which has been honed to the max indicates a possible prior major overhaul. How many hours are on the engine since either the last major overhaul, and if none was done, engine hours in general?
Its not unusual for a ga aircraft to not have a major overhaul in 17 years. A ton of ga pilots fly less than 100 hours a year and with an engine that is at 2000 hours TBO. The plane is 17 years old so it shouldnt have had a major overhaul yet. He said engine has 1640 hours.
@@gbigsangle3044 obviously it didnt need a complete rebuild or the a&p would have pulled the engine and told them that instead of just replacing 1 cylander And i do have some idea of whar i am talking about as i build a experimental with a lycoming io540. And i have helped my stepfather build 2 ultralights and 2 gyrocopters and the gyros recieved a bronze lindy and a silver lindsey and the won with the silver was best build gyro that year at airventure. He also had a 172 that we did alot of maitence on and then a&p checked everything over and signed off on it since the work was all done in our rural hanger. Also worked on multiple other experimentals
@@cw93711 I don't question your mechanical background...I question your knowledge of this particuar engine in the video. The video does not provide that history which would have been useful given the problem piston and helps set the background for the story. Only the engine logbooks would have that information.
True, but in the airplane world, they call it a “compression test”. In the automotive world, you are right, this is a “leak down test” while a compression test involves cranking the engine with the throttle blade open to measure psi in one spark plug.
@@thomasaltruda I have never performed a compression check on a plane yet where I had to have the engine crank. All checks are done, keys out, mags cold, and @ 80psi. Shouldn't have to touch the prop while you're doing the check either because you should've already felt the gear lash in the prop when at TDC. If the prop rotates, you were off TDC. If the prop doesn't move and you have
@@swagger897 I agree with you. I am familiar with aircraft and automotive engines. I should have clarified that you don’t use automotive type procedures on aircraft. We won’t crank aircraft engines to do compression checks, they are done like you said, statically.
Nope aircraft cylanders wear out 1 at a time. The engine is aircooled. Each cylinder has a temperature guage on it and to get the best fuel economy you use the least amount of fuel to fly at 80 percent your max speed without overheating any cylinders. Fuel cools the cylanders so the more fuel you burn the cooler the cylinder temperature. But when your burning 15 to 25 gallons per hour you want to burn the least amount of fuel possible especially since aviation fuel is around 4 bucks a gallon since its 100 octane low lead fuel.
@@Airplanefish as an a&p to put in writing their is probably another bad cylinder without you then checking the other cylinders leaves you open to a huge lawsuit if something happens to that engine and they crash or have to put the plane down in an emergency landing. On the video you stated the reason for the high temp on cylinder 3 was it was worn out and oversized and had to be replaced. If i remember right. You should do a new video to correct your engine diagnose. Since your on video saying its something else than what it is. You must have wonderful eyesite to see the cylander is oversized by a 01th of an inch to a .001 of an inch or so. Usually you measure everything to make sure what you see on the cylander is telling you the right thing. The clogged fuel injector makes a lot of sense while it was taxiing around etc that that cylander would be hot but yet at altitude when tney flu it back it was at normal temp. Just strange they drop that much money without doing a through inspection before buying it. I stick with experiments. I build 1 with lycoming io 540, helped my stepfather with an ultralight and i call it an ultralight but its a sport pilot and 2 gyros 1 bronze lindy and 1 silver lindy and best build gyro at airventure. Helped on numerous other experimentals.
@@cw93711 hey as a fellow a&p I will say that the video does not show a step by step disassembly process. But I believe his experience education and willingness to even be on video bodes well to his credibility. Measuring eng gap clearance is not an eyeball kind of guess on cylinder rings. You use feeler gauges. And measuring for out of round cylinders requires telescoping gauges and a micrometer. I don’t know if you have ever done overhaul on certified aircraft but the experimental rules under ASTM are not the same as the rules under the FAA’s FAR’s. He as an IA is fully versed on the legality of his repairs and he is only liable for the work performed. It’s a high time engine and would have been well within his legal responsibility to R&R only the fuel injector to remediate the fault. His attention to detail exemplifies he’s a thorough and attentive A&P. Upon further inspection he found a cracked intake pipe and an out of tolerance cylinder. The faulty fuel injector is a known continental fault with cirrus. It’s also in the trouble shooting manual. Either way through experience or manual reference he did an exceptional job. Stick to your experimental. You have more creative rights in the experiments FAR part 21 classification. Certified aircraft only get it one way. The FAA approved way. And the pitted hydraulic lifters may have an associated AD. but I don’t know if you or others will know what an AD is. 🤷♂️. It’s under FAR 39
@@bigtimer1a i agree with you you. Also when he added more info things made alot more since. Lastly if you watched these 2 on their car videos you would also question what type of person they got to do their annual. I have dealt with certified aircraft as my stepfather had a 172 for overa dozev years and an my best friend had a 177 cardinal for most of his life. Other friends had various certified aircraft as they are easier to finance then experimentals.
The guy that sold the plane saw these greenhorns coming. Any good A&P will tell you Continental engines are all junk even when new. They never make TBO without replacing jugs. All you plane buyers look for a Lycoming engine plane. Lycomings go past TBO with good maintenance. Lycomings have nitrided cylinders & sodium cooled exhaust valves unlike your cheap Continental cylinders that wear out the bores & burn exhaust valves.
Gotta learn to land with engine out, pr atleast you did. Its only scary when your going thru training and your instructor pushes the throttle all the way in taking you from your normal 80 percent power tp 0 power once you get licence you always are paying attention to wear you can land if engine failure. Plus most ga planes have a very good glide ratio.
No no no more fuel does not cool an engine down more fuel means that some of the fuel will not be burned well and you will have a improper burning take place so when the gas exits the gas will measure cooler, that's not good for an engine Read Mike Bush's book on engines and forget the faulty engine lore so prevalent in general aviation.
Thanks for having me out. I had alot of fun working with you guys.
Thank you so much for all the help and education!
Thank you sir learned a lot my friend is a QC inspector/ mechanic for United airlines he talks and loses me every time lol
Thanks for making it seem very simple, made me feel like I can become an A&P.
D Thirteen, you bring a sense of relief and confidence to someone who has been afraid to pull the trigger on a first time aircraft purchase. Too bad you’re not on the east coast. Keep on what you’re doing and START YOUR OWN RUclips CHANNEL. I think you will find a lot of people will like you.
@@Airplanefish thank you! I’ll reach out to you.
Lol @ 3:30 "you've got 6 cylinders, a couple more than most 4 cylinder planes." I can't argue with that!
What a awesome technician. Fish said something that I really appreciate. It was his name going into the book, that really means a lot about his attitude (wonderful!) and about the industry philosophy as a whole.
I really like that guy. He really knows his stuff.
I bought a Mooney M20C a month ago. This video gave me a great view of the engine area and what certain parts do. Got it with fresh annual from Don Maxwell and everything is working great so far.
I don't mean to be dismissive, but what's the deal with these two dweezils wisecrackin when the adult is trying to teach them something ?? If Tweedle Dee & Tweedle Dum would just zip-it and listen, maybe they'd one day become real pilots.
They probably went to radio broadcast school. There are techniques that keep a wider audience listening and they appear to be using them. Personally, I’m not into that. Howard Stern does it as well as a myriad of other interviewers. It’s a conventional style of conducting interviews.
“I don’t mean” and then becomes dismissive . . . Honestly I don’t see what you saw. They asked questions and listened to the answers the tech gave.
They looked interested to me. Everyone is young and eager at some point. Be kind. These guys seem cool
Its cool seeing this engine being used. I'm an engineer at the Continental Facility in Mobile, AL where we manufacture these engines from scratch. I'm used to seeing these in pieces and rarely see these mounted. Great Video!
I enjoyed the video with you two, your enthusiasm is fun to watch and I can remember feeling like that when I was young, many, many years ago! Keep up your enthusiasm, it will help get you through the low spots. See you next video!
Everyone should have a Fish in their life - an expert to sort everything!
Awesome video guys! Considering everything you got pretty lucky with a fairly clean aircraft! You will learn a lot more than the average student by talking with your mechanic and learning with him about your airplane, it will make you a much better pilot. Cheers!
Thanks for the comment Greg. I'm 31% through your course and loving it so far! Can't wait to get flying :)
Excellent video. Learned a lot about the inner workings of the motor. Very helpful
Glad you enjoyed it
Wouldnt trade my Mooney Ovation for a Cirrus in a million years! Love the video though...Sure do enjoy you guys!!!! Great Channel! 😁
Tweedle Dee & Tweedle Dum. Perfect LOL
That’s one great mechanic you have there! Quite possibly saved your lives finding those problems before you flew it anymore
This was a great inside look at the cirrus.. looking forward to you guys starting your training!
Glad you liked it. We will be up in the skies soon!
These videos are awesome. I’m trying to learn as much as I can from you guys
Awesome! Thank you!
I'm looking forward to seeing and hearing everything about this amazing aircraft. I know that there's going to be a lot of awesome things about this Cirrus SR-20. I would love to meet you both in person sometime! I love both planes, helicopters and cars. I even like motorcycles.
Fun episode but wish more time was spent with the mechanic. Some questions I wished were discussed include;
- engine log book, what did mechanic’s review reveal? Engine close to TBO?
- aircraft parachute, when is repacking due?
- whats more reliable the continental or lycoming O-360 (cause a lot of aircraft have lycomings)?
- hours on removed cylinder compared to engine TBO?
what caused excess cylinder bore wear?
which maker of the replacement cylinder did you decide on (oem or certified aftermarket) and why?
- Did mechanic go thru list of AD’s?
Thanks,
DanaH
I learned a lot great video This mechanic is very knowledgeable
Great Video, You guy are the only one that make that kind of informative video !!!
Glad you liked it!
Awesome video that guy knows his stuff all I see are pipes red an black pipes, it's alot of maintenance for a plane once a year, good luck gents
Finally an update on the channel !!!! Thanks guys
The engine setups reminds me of an old air cooled 911. Lots of them also had twinspark, took cabin heat from exhaust etc.
Thanks alot for the good vidss i got inspired. Building a xr400 now on yt
That's awesome
Impossible to listen to with the perpetual nonsensical interruptions.
Huh?
Cheapest Cirrus? Woa.....scarey🤷🏻♂️🔥🔥🔥🔥 Have a lottery they win everything!
Damn that mechanic is cool. Really good at his craft
I still want to build my Sling TSI 🛩 but good video thanks for the update!!!
I bought a Cessna 182 about the same time you guys bout this sr20. Planes are the KING of all money pits! You'll have a sweet plane when done though.
Right on! 182s are sweet!
Too much interruption by the owner .Pls let the expert talk, this is the time where /when you learn.Stop talking listen.
Yes!
The Lycoming and Continental engines are 1935 designs, I could go on for hours but read about why the rotax 912 is built the way it is and you will learn so many things.
We have a cirrus at our maintenance college & we had to drive it around the school like 3 times, the steering does feel weird because it’s braking a wheel, it takes some time getting used to it.
Definitely
The nose-wheel is a castor type. That means you use braking on the mains to turn. The Cirrus can do a 360 in place thanks to the tech.
I'm new to watching vids of GA, and this assessment/teardown is fascinating. I've worked on air cooled Harley engines for years, and of course (at least for pre-21st century versions) are subject to jokes about parts falling off as you're riding down the road. The reality is, they hold up surprisingly well considering the beating they take. The failures on this aircraft - particularly the power plant - absolutely astound me. An air induction tube cracking??? Brakes overheating to the point of cooking fluid and seals in normal use??? I don't get it. Those kind of failures say to me as an engineer that somebody did a piss poor design. I know about the cracked cases. WTF, are you kidding me? And knowing that these are common the factory isn't footing the bill for replacements? WOW. That is just incredible. That demonstrates a manufacturer's attitude of "We got ya hooked. If you don't like it: tough." Can't wait to see more so I can continue to be astounded!
Welcome to aviation!
When a expert speaks listen! The verbal diarrhoea is annoying.
Lucky to have this guy
The guys is a great Mechanic, knows his stuff very well. Im not sure if its in the making or already happened. But you should upgrade your avionics from your old stuff to like a Garmin Perspective or something glass. It makes the Cockpit look great and enhances your flight.
Hang in there...it’s worth the ride.
So excited for you guys.!
Cirrus should come up with a sliding canopy like Grumman did with the Tiger.
Great vid. Maybe I missed it, but do not understand what caused the overheating indication of that cylinder? If the barrel was 'worn out' then would that alone do it? The crack in the induction tube, not allowing enough air to get in, or sucking too much, and too much oxygen made greater temp?
It was actually a clogged fuel injector. But maybe this was all a blessing in disguise.
🇫🇷 Real expert very interesting
Boys, don't worry that your plane is 17 years old. Remember that the engine design hasn't changed much since about 1945 or 46. Planes run the most basic, simple, least moving parts engines compared to any car engine. They're not even liquid cooled while almost 100% of snowmobiles are liquid cooled! Think about that.
Indeed, very good point! Fish was explaining how simple the design way.
How can we get in touch with "Fish" if we need some work done on our airplanes?
You can buy a two part aluminum spinner cleaner kit. It will improve your looks up front!
Great mechanic. I'd love to have him!
He's super knowledgeable and helped us understand how all the parts work together which will help us be better pilots.
I built air systems and paint systems and heating and cooling systems that were as large as your house for 40 years. Industrial sheet metal. But I've also worked on aircraft. I was great with this guy and I know that it's a minor detail. But the letter T in the word duct... is silent. Just like the L in salmon. Or the first L in the word salmonella.
Having built ductwork for several decades, it is a pet peeve of mine that people do not know how to pronounce words that came into the English language from other countries but it is a pet peeve of mine the reason is is that people often use the word decimate when the word they're looking to use is devastate. If you start mispronouncing words you will soon find yourself using words that you're not supposed to use and that do not have the definition that you believe that they do. Decimate means to reduce a military force by precisely 10%. I can count on one hand the number of times I've heard somebody use that term properly just in the last 30 years since somebody started to try to apply it instead of the word devastate.
Good video but with that hot cylinder you might want to look a little bit deeper. Anytime I get that deep into an engine, I always check the Pistons, lifters, valves, everything I can possibly inspect before I put it back together.
Watch out for a cracked case and make sure that 2 blade prop is balanced.
The cracked intake runner is the smoking gun for the high temp.
@@Airplanefish That will do it too. I burn a hole in a piston on my dirtbike when I was a kid because of an air leak. Uncontrolled leaning can be destructive.
Good info. Thanks.
Idk why everyone is raggin on them for talking. They seemed very respectful and their questions/comments were fairly intelligent. They just seemed excited and inexperienced in the world of aircraft maintenance, nothing wrong with that.
Thank you!
When you guys was talking about the exhaust I was thinking about the EGR would I have the same Function on a plane
No emmision system components on exhaust system. No egr, no converter...
Would be nice if the we would have the approximate price to fix those problem
It would have been $3-$4k but stay tuned for next video... we encountered some bigger problems.
I think Fish should be called Bird. Lol get it?
Great video, but cameraman stop making the nonsensical comments while your expert is talking (yep, awww, mmm, ok, here we go, OMG, ahhh, holy smokes, etc etc etc). First time viewer, but I've subscribed....
I subscribed too. I agree with your comments but you can’t argue with success; look at the subscriptions they’ve accumulated.
What was the TBO on the engine when you bought it? If it’s low it might be the reason you got a good price on it. Engine might need an overhaul.
1640 since new, 2000 TBO. So we knew it was coming up when we bought the plane.
@@JRAviation hope you have $25k-$35k ready cause that's what an overhauled IO-360 will likely run...possibly more depending on what you have done
At 1640 hours on a 17 year old engin,,, I would not replace a cylinder,,, I would overhaul the whole engine
Hey Guys!
I’m moving to AZ after retiring from the military, do you mind sharing the mechanics name and info? I want to hire him for all my Cirrus needs.
Hi there! Do you have an instagram? Message him @DetailThirteen and he can help you.
He is the man I'd want work in ng on all of my planes! If I had any!
I remember you guys saying you found the plane online in an unusual spot. What website did you find it on?
Fish is a cool dude.
Would love to get Fish's contact information. Seems like the perfect guy to to a "pre-buy"
I had a hot running cylinder #5 on my 310 (~>390 degrees) and it turned out to be a faulty CHT probe. Probe was replaced and all is well...cylinder running below ~360 degrees during climb.
We started with the probe but unfortunately no luck turns out it was a clogged fuel injector in the cylinder. More videos to come!
So.... if 1 cylinder is worn that badly, then the other 5 likely are too.... I'm not an aviation technician, but I am an automotive tech and that raises a flag for me.
I work on both. Automobiles and aircraft. It’s not an uncommon occurrence to renew one cylinder. This will blow your mind most aircraft engines have a .020 to.030 position to cylinder clearance spec. Talk about position rock. It’s necessary to prevent the engine cylinder from seizing on the pistons during a dive
when will we see a JR speed boat !!!!😂😂🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺
The haze that you mention it's called oxidation. Otherwise lovely content 👌🏽
I keep my Cirrus SR22T G5 at Scottsdale. The SR's are clearly the best GA aircraft one can buy. How was "Fish"s quality of work on your plane?
Shoot us a DM if you're on Instagram, would love to link up at some point and chat Cirrus!
Amazing! How was he able to detect the problematic cylinder amongst all the rest?
Compression test
Just asking, why you did not buy an experimental plane that you can fix yourselves?
You'd trust these guys to work on it themselves?
So, why was the cylinder overheating?
Clogged fuel injector
Or the cracked intake tube
@@russellbingham7901 I agree. I asked the question before I saw the cracked intake tube, which would have definitely made the cylinder run lean.
can you change to ul power or new aeromomentum fits in a 360 lycoming space
Yanking the factory engine for something else means the aircraft must then be registered an an Experimental which would be a dumb thing to do to a Cirrus. It'd kill the plane's value.
Lol the difference in views after an hour for jr Aviation vs JRGarage. I guess Planes are just way off most people's radar
hahah of course planes are more niche, but we'd make these videos no matter how many views we got! The engagement we get on this channel is actually higher than JR Garage
Well, if one cylinder is worn out, aren’t the other 5 soon to follow?
So how many hours are on that engine?
That KSDL? My home airport!
Great location….away from the hustle bustle….
What about you Bye electric airplane?
Still a couple years out
Name one that you can buy ?
How many engine hours does your plane have? Fish is a very cool name too btw.
1640 hours they said
What’s the total cost?
Have you guys been working on your PPL?
Knocking out ground school then the written right now
Very nice.
Can we change place? It's 28f here.
Ok...this is the first time I have ever seen these guys and I have no idea who they are or what their background is....BUT...I have owned my own Mooney for 20 years and I am watching such a high level of naivety exhibited by these two it is breathtaking. They have no idea of the expenses they are facing. Just the cylinder replacement is a $1500 job. A complete overhauled engine runs around $50k. The Garmin subscriptions run around $500/year. Do either of them even hold a private pilot license??
We are well aware of the maintenance costs. Coming from Ferraris and Lamborghinis, the repair costs are nothing new👍 Better to put up the money and know your plane is sorted, so that’s the plan.
Thats why they are buying the electric plane. Lol
Good job for stepping out and purchasing your first plane. All Motorsports are expensive. As long as your prepared you guys will be fine. Even if surprises develop. Keep in mind safety first and take recommendations from trusted sources. With that being said. Good luck and enjoy gaining your PPL private pIlots license 👩✈️ ✈️
GUYS, WHAT WAS THE RUSH TO BUY THIS PARTICULAR PLANE? DID YOU THINK ABOUT A PRE-PURCHASE INSPECTION? YOU PROBABLY COULD HAVE HAD THE PREVIOUS OWNER COVER THESE EXPENSES. I'M VERY HAPPY FOR YOU, YOUR MY FAVORITE CHANNEL ! ENJOY
Will you buy a hyper car anytime soon?
I want you to LS swapp the plane but that is probably a bad idea since those motor could probably make the plane too heavy.
That would be epic, but probably very challenging!
Would make the plane experimental aircraft then.
Putting in car engines is a very big deal as aircraft engines are flat 4,6 or 8 cylinders and they are air cooled. Also they run at a very low rpm.
Car engines are liquid cooled and with running at much higher rpms they need a belt drive to lower the rpm to one the propeller can use.
Their are several ls engine kits for kit planes, but they are heavy and not very popular.
Subura engines, mazda rotaries, covair engines are propably the most popular car engine but its all for experimental planes.
With a certified aircraft you are stuck using it exactly as it is basically. A company can spend a bunch of money to allow you to buy a certificate that says you can run regular unleaded in the engine. Or gap seals which cover the gap between the wing and the flaps which can potentially make the plane faster or vortex generators which go on the wing and lower the stall speed. But with a certified aircraft and a&p has to install the parts and then sign off on it in the logbook. Plus the company had to have tested those parts on that exact make and model plane and faa approved the final paperwork showing it was safe the manufacturer sends to faa. With experimental you just go buy and put on yourself and sign your own logbook. Certified parts are always 2 to 3 times the price of the exact same thing non certified.
Ps that engine is 30k to 50k new.
@@JRAviation its already done and their is a kit for it but your plane would be experimental
It is unusual for a 17 yo plane to have the original engine and/or not having under-gone a major overhaul. TBO for the engine is 2000 hours.
Nothing unusual in this video except replacing a cylinder which has been honed to the max indicates a possible prior major overhaul. How many hours are on the engine since either the last major overhaul, and if none was done, engine hours in general?
Its not unusual for a ga aircraft to not have a major overhaul in 17 years. A ton of ga pilots fly less than 100 hours a year and with an engine that is at 2000 hours TBO.
The plane is 17 years old so it shouldnt have had a major overhaul yet.
He said engine has 1640 hours.
@@cw93711 Do you know the history of this plane? 1700 hours can easily see a major overhaul btw. Depends how the engine has been run and cared for....
@@Airplanefish The cylinder being replaced has thin walls indicating it has been honed repeatedly and maxed out. As the mechanic noted in the video.
@@gbigsangle3044 obviously it didnt need a complete rebuild or the a&p would have pulled the engine and told them that instead of just replacing 1 cylander
And i do have some idea of whar i am talking about as i build a experimental with a lycoming io540.
And i have helped my stepfather build 2 ultralights and 2 gyrocopters and the gyros recieved a bronze lindy and a silver lindsey and the won with the silver was best build gyro that year at airventure. He also had a 172 that we did alot of maitence on and then a&p checked everything over and signed off on it since the work was all done in our rural hanger.
Also worked on multiple other experimentals
@@cw93711 I don't question your mechanical background...I question your knowledge of this particuar engine in the video. The video does not provide that history which would have been useful given the problem piston and helps set the background for the story. Only the engine logbooks would have that information.
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@@goldberga?
8:00 that's not a compression test. That's a leakdown test.
Um, yes... it is.. He explained it no differently than I would.
True, but in the airplane world, they call it a “compression test”. In the automotive world, you are right, this is a “leak down test” while a compression test involves cranking the engine with the throttle blade open to measure psi in one spark plug.
@@thomasaltruda I have never performed a compression check on a plane yet where I had to have the engine crank. All checks are done, keys out, mags cold, and @ 80psi. Shouldn't have to touch the prop while you're doing the check either because you should've already felt the gear lash in the prop when at TDC. If the prop rotates, you were off TDC. If the prop doesn't move and you have
@@swagger897 I agree with you. I am familiar with aircraft and automotive engines. I should have clarified that you don’t use automotive type procedures on aircraft. We won’t crank aircraft engines to do compression checks, they are done like you said, statically.
How did only one cylinder fail? Wouldn't we expect more than one cylinder to look like cylinder #3?
Nope aircraft cylanders wear out 1 at a time.
The engine is aircooled.
Each cylinder has a temperature guage on it and to get the best fuel economy you use the least amount of fuel to fly at 80 percent your max speed without overheating any cylinders. Fuel cools the cylanders so the more fuel you burn the cooler the cylinder temperature. But when your burning 15 to 25 gallons per hour you want to burn the least amount of fuel possible especially since aviation fuel is around 4 bucks a gallon since its 100 octane low lead fuel.
@@Airplanefish as an a&p to put in writing their is probably another bad cylinder without you then checking the other cylinders leaves you open to a huge lawsuit if something happens to that engine and they crash or have to put the plane down in an emergency landing.
On the video you stated the reason for the high temp on cylinder 3 was it was worn out and oversized and had to be replaced. If i remember right. You should do a new video to correct your engine diagnose. Since your on video saying its something else than what it is. You must have wonderful eyesite to see the cylander is oversized by a 01th of an inch to a .001 of an inch or so. Usually you measure everything to make sure what you see on the cylander is telling you the right thing. The clogged fuel injector makes a lot of sense while it was taxiing around etc that that cylander would be hot but yet at altitude when tney flu it back it was at normal temp. Just strange they drop that much money without doing a through inspection before buying it.
I stick with experiments. I build 1 with lycoming io 540, helped my stepfather with an ultralight and i call it an ultralight but its a sport pilot and 2 gyros 1 bronze lindy and 1 silver lindy and best build gyro at airventure. Helped on numerous other experimentals.
@@cw93711 hey as a fellow a&p I will say that the video does not show a step by step disassembly process. But I believe his experience education and willingness to even be on video bodes well to his credibility. Measuring eng gap clearance is not an eyeball kind of guess on cylinder rings. You use feeler gauges. And measuring for out of round cylinders requires telescoping gauges and a micrometer. I don’t know if you have ever done overhaul on certified aircraft but the experimental rules under ASTM are not the same as the rules under the FAA’s FAR’s. He as an IA is fully versed on the legality of his repairs and he is only liable for the work performed. It’s a high time engine and would have been well within his legal responsibility to R&R only the fuel injector to remediate the fault.
His attention to detail exemplifies he’s a thorough and attentive A&P. Upon further inspection he found a cracked intake pipe and an out of tolerance cylinder. The faulty fuel injector is a known continental fault with cirrus. It’s also in the trouble shooting manual. Either way through experience or manual reference he did an exceptional job. Stick to your experimental. You have more creative rights in the experiments FAR part 21 classification. Certified aircraft only get it one way. The FAA approved way.
And the pitted hydraulic lifters may have an associated AD. but I don’t know if you or others will know what an AD is. 🤷♂️. It’s under FAR 39
@@bigtimer1a i agree with you you. Also when he added more info things made alot more since. Lastly if you watched these 2 on their car videos you would also question what type of person they got to do their annual.
I have dealt with certified aircraft as my stepfather had a 172 for overa dozev years and an my best friend had a 177 cardinal for most of his life. Other friends had various certified aircraft as they are easier to finance then experimentals.
Lmao welcome to owing a cirrus. 2 and 3 will always run warmer
seems true with all Continentals.....
The guy that sold the plane saw these greenhorns coming. Any good A&P will tell you Continental engines are all junk even when new. They never make TBO without replacing jugs. All you plane buyers look for a Lycoming engine plane. Lycomings go past TBO with good maintenance. Lycomings have nitrided cylinders & sodium cooled exhaust valves unlike your cheap Continental cylinders that wear out the bores & burn exhaust valves.
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Do you guys read comments? You might want to look for a pattern here
Intake leak makes it hoter , one new jug 5 old is bad. Needs completely overhauled eng.
Fish’s experience is some “Cirrius “ experience lol how much did it cost, plane and fix
The propeller on the front of the plane is just a fan to cool the pilot. When the propeller stops you can actually see the pilot start to sweat. lol.
hahahha sounds about right!
Gotta learn to land with engine out, pr atleast you did. Its only scary when your going thru training and your instructor pushes the throttle all the way in taking you from your normal 80 percent power tp 0 power once you get licence you always are paying attention to wear you can land if engine failure. Plus most ga planes have a very good glide ratio.
Jonas brothers buy a plane?
Dont quit your day job guys
Keep geewhiz comments down to a low moan! Going to find another channel.
No no no more fuel does not cool an engine down more fuel means that some of the fuel will not be burned well and you will have a improper burning take place so when the gas exits the gas will measure cooler, that's not good for an engine Read Mike Bush's book on engines and forget the faulty engine lore so prevalent in general aviation.
Wow
I'm more interested in how these 20 somethings can afford to live like Donald Trump.
trust fund