The 5 TSO tools you can’t live without
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Not sure I understand why someone feels the need to respond with negative comments, i.e. cost to high (he is not telling you to buy it). I am retired and enjoying learning about the options available. He is providing a service, you get to decide to use it or not. Be positive and get excited to learn something today!
Tool envy
@@jgarehart89 Could be or someone just pissed in their cornflakes.
Yep, that guy spends crazy money on tools. Probably has a second set of everything for actual work, and one set for this channel background.
Agreed. I don’t understand why people complain about something they got for free!
Most of the time they either can’t afford it or aren’t smart enough to use it or a combination of both
The guide rail square set and the Bigfoot are both amazing! Haven’t taken the plunge on parallel guides as I didn’t know which ones to get. Great video as always! Cheers.
I’ve been using the Woodpecker’s parallel guide system for several years now, and I love it! The stops are phenomenal and very accurate. Set up is simple and dead on accurate..
I don’t have an mft but I am definitely consider incorporating these products into a similarly styled bench I want to build soon. I’ve also eyed off the mtr due it’s accuracy. One of the most accurate I have ever seen. Would use that without even having an mft.
Don't have any of their products but I love TSO anyway.
I have owned tso guides for over a year now and I was and still am very pleased with these guides . I recommend these to my family members and friends .
I have to agree with you about TSO products. I have so many of them. My latest use for the parallel guides is to achieve perfect positioning of LS32 holes. I use LS32 for drawer slides and the Festool stops do not work for all of the various offsets that I need.
The guide rail square was an absolute game changer. That word get thrown around a lot but that definitely fits the bill.
I have those except for the triangle. I like the Festool protracter with adjustable angles.
I have TSO's squaring set with 30" and 50" guide rails I use with my Festool track saw. Made perfect kitchen counters with it. Now to add to my collection and come up with a wall mounting system.👍
Great video. I like that you’ve run through so many TSO products that you enjoy. I caught your comparison video in the parallel guides a while back. I agree, TSO is certainly making products that rival Woodpecker.
What a great video, straight to the point, informative and interesting, thank you from the UK.
Great review. Just don’t let Ron Paulk see you cutting on top of that foam insulation!🤣
Lol
Love these videos and yes, you are a gifted trainer/teacher. Some of the tools /accessories you present I have as well. Since you are so great at explaining/teaching, I would love to hear a video or series of videos on where you store these accessories. I imagine that some live in obvious places but I would love to hear that you store the extra large TSO square in xxxxx, because of how you use it. Or the guides or dogs etc. this would be interesting because it would relate to the actual accessory in workflow, but also relate to how you as a professional, expert store, and use these accessory’s. For example, “I store the extra large square in a custom tray under my MFT on the left side because….“
I struggle with all of the accessories, and where to put them how to store them, and the best place to store them frankly.
Would love to get in your head on this type of problem. Thanks again for all the videos they’re excellent.
I have the TDS-13, the 30 Parallel Guides, the guide rail square and the MTR-x. I bought all of them because of you. I have not regretted purchasing any of them. I love the TSO. They are well worth the price. Also the MFT. I still would like to get a second MFT. My next tool purchase from TSO is going to be the big foot for my Domino and I really think I want the smaller set of parallel guides. I thought having the middle size would be plenty. But I’ve found several situations where I would like to have the shorter ones.
Great video. Thanks for sharing,
Great review. Love TSO design and build quality. Yes- expensive. Yes- worth it. I have every one of these items except for big foot. No regrets. Use them constantly.
Right on
I'm a beginner DIYer and just bought the square and the parallel system. The price was steep, but the quality is superb, and the possibilities it opens up for me are endless.
@@MAGAMAN I guess you were watching the video because these tools are not useful, right? Plus, you don't know what tools I own, or I don't. Thanks for the unhelpful comment 👍
Just ordered the Big Foot and the TPG-20 Parallel Guides. Got a sysytainer for my TPG-20 and one for my MTR-X that I already have. Merry Christmas to me. LOL and happy for Black Friday sales.
Awesome!!! You’re going to love them.
Good intel!!
I like your channel and your showing us these nice tools, being a finish carpenter for 45+ years I would still have a hard time to justify the cost of these tools, but can see adding them as needed if repeating tasks more than occasionally.
Agreed 100%. I got a TSO parallel guide system because I have to break down sheet goods before I can get them down into my basement shop. I rarely need to re-cut the edge(s) on my table saw after, saving a step. One of the few tools shown on this channel that I was willing to pay for. I spend wisely.
Great timing on video. After watching your previous video reviews I ordered the 50 30 parallel guides that will be delivered today. Now you tell me you never use the 50's.
I own TSO and Woodpecker and in my view they are equal in quality and price. But considering the shear diversity of the woodpecker brand, one would be a fool to think that they are in trouble.
Those are great tools, thanks for sharing
You bet
Had no idea the track attachment industry is booming like this. Definitely everything shown here is useful as heck.
Firstly, you can change your life by using the drop-on connectors for the Festool track instead of the screw-on. This is a MASSIVE time saver. And you don't have to lug around a track with guides attached. Secondly as others have said, setting the length is a nightmare. They need a simple clear plastic with a red line. I hate it so much I use a steel rule placed underneath my Festool track to set the length. Don't expect all of the pieces you buy to be the same shade of blue. If you buy 2 of anything they can easily be very different shades. When you join the guide rails together the scale of them becomes useless.Make sure you buy the Festool cordless tracksaw and use the dustbag so you can cut effortlessly without dragging around cords and dust hoses.
IMO,one great,well thought out feature of the GRS is how quickly and solidly they snap on to the rail.No nasty knurled nuts or screws to faff about with.The easier they are to use,the more you will use them.
Did a lot of research 2 years ago-ish and I agree the TSO parallel guides seem to be the best but,even tho' I think they offer a metric version(?) cdnt find them anywhere in the UK so ended up spending £60+ on absolute garbage so bad I have never even used them."Cry once at the till" as they say!
Can't currently see any use for the dogstops though that isn't already covered by simple bench dogs tbh.
The most important new fearture of version 2 of the square is that it fits the Milwaukie rails
that's a nice sticker on your dust collection pipe
Your assembly table has a rail along one of the long ends where you can attach your track for 90 degrees cut. It's that custom made or commercial?
I have a few red tools and I have a few blue tools. Hands down TSO is better built and comparable in cost to the red. I’m building a MFT table next month and I will be adding some of TSO and UGK products to the line up.
With your sliding table saw do you still find having all the tracksaw stuff to be useful or is it easier to just use the sliding table saw?
I just got the 30”/50” parallel guide set as well and since the 50 is not used a lot I would think a way to be able to mount that to an MFT to be used as a stop guide for crosscutting?? With the stop on it I think that would be a great alternate use for it and salvage some of the investment.
For thin cuts I prefer (by a very narrow margin) the Seneca Woodworking parallel guide to the TSO. But in general, when I have other brands of kit, the TSO version seems to always be a bit better (many times because it's just easier to use, not so much in function). I have Benchdogs large triangle and dang it's big! Hard to store...... But I saw sedgetools using the TSO triangle that attaches to the rail and I'm thinking - that is the cats' meow! But I can't justify getting one now.
Wouldn’t mind seeing a video on that triangle and all the functionality. I’d like to get one but it’s 700cad and I’m not sure if it’s bringing that level of value. Good video, allready ordered the df Bigfoot. That looks great and had no clue it existed
Hi Jason, really enjoy your content...very well done. I have the TSO squaring guide for my makita track saw, looking to add the parallel guides. Quick question for you (haven't got an answer from tso yet), I need to make a number of cuts at 32" for some cabinets. For the 30" guides, is their capacity 30" plus the width of the track or 30" including the width of the track?
You mentioned you rarely use the 50" guides, wondering how you do larger cuts. TIA for your time.
It is including the rail. I have never once used the 50” rails. I pound probably not use the guides for wider cuts. Another option would be to reference the cutoff side. But that could present accuracy issues
I'd love to see you do a parrallel guide calibration and user setup video. I need use mine because I don't trust then. I've seen RPs video but I still struggle. And how do you read the metal measement tab? Leave the line? Right over top?
Dave Stanton has a really good guide and it accounts for a crappy splinter strip.
Why aren't you using the festool earbuds?
Thanks for good info. However, I do wait for a video where you compare your Hammer slider with the track saw, when breaking down sheets...
I have left the track saw and think the slider is Sooo much efficient! 🌞 🌞
There really is no comparison.
If you have version 1 of the GRS you can also grind off the inboard side of the rail tab to make it removable like version 2. I have 2 of version 1, getting up the nerve to do that...
Their triangle is outstanding and their dogs are the best for woodwork and CNC. I use Dashboard components for guides, etc which are superior.
Thanks
Thank you!!
I wish there was a parallel guide system with positive stops. Or maybe a digital read out for accuracy. TSO makes great guides and I use them. But nothing compares to the parallel guides on my sliding saw. It’s a digital read out and super accurate.
Agreed. Positive stops like the Indra system would be great.
Which digital readout system are you using?
@@ronh9384 lamb tool works parallel guides. It uses a fiama dro
Did you make your work bench?
I never really saw the value of the parallel guides. First, they're only parallel if they are perfectly, identical set up, which will never be the case. And even if it were, your cut would be parallel to the scrap edge, not the edge your keeping. To get the edge of your board to actually be parallel, you still need to run it through a table saw.
I know from first hand experience that if you first cut off the factory edge and then use properly calibrated guides you get as close to parallel as a tablesaw with cleaner cuts.
Great video, Jason~! I'm really impressed by these products and enjoy seeing the range of their utility when you put them to use in videos. I'm shopping for a track/plunge saw and haven't yet decided which way to go. I've just recently dipped my toes into the Festool world (ETS-125, CT-36, & DF-500), so I'm considering their saw, but I'm also comparing the Kreg & the Makita. I don't do a huge amount of plywood breakdown, but who knows about the future, right?
Anyway, always looking forward to your next. (Also, looks like you're enjoying retirement~! ;-) )
Just get the Festool. You won't regret it. I have tools from Dewalt, Makita, Kreg, ... The Festool track saw is on another planet. It brings me joy every time I use it. Make sure you get the TSO drop on connectors for the Festool tracks if you are buying TSO parallel guides (you can watch some videos of people carrying around tracks with parallel guides attached to see what it's like with screw on connectors)
@@John-dl9nj That's kinda the way I see things going. It's hilarious when I get to see guys' expressions when walking into my local hardware store and they hear my wife say, "Get whatever you want/need." She's my enabler. 😀
Thanks John~!
@@andrewbrown8148 That's so funny because I was going to say in the above post that even my wife thinks the Festool track saw is incredible. But people would think she must do woodwork or be interested in this kind of thing. But nothing could be further from the truth. She has just been with me on many projects before we bought the Festool gear. So she knows what is was like before Festool. I have the corded saw which I used for years before I bought the cordless. I love the cordless. I use the dust bag so I am truely free of cords while cutting. The dust bag fills quickly. After a cut if you hold the saw up with the dust bag hanging under it, the dust will move to the back of the bag (so you can truely fill the bag meaning you have to empty it less often). My Festool battery chargers make an annoying noise while charging so be ready for that. In case you miss my other post, setting the width of the cut is inaccurate/awkward using the TSO stops/scale. Say I want 500mm. I put a steel ruler under my Festool track and slide the ruler under until the cutting edge of the track is at 500mm. Then I slide the TSO stop up against the end of the steel ruler. I bought a lot of TSO stops and a lot of TSO guide rails (expensive!!!) and I can setup all of the dimensions for a project beforehand (with the steel rule) and then just cut the projects repeatedly without ever measuring again or moving a TSO stop (because I have multiple stops on a TSO guide rail and just lower the appropriate stop). If there are 2 dimensions that are close (the 2 stops would get in the way of each other) so I have one dimension on one parallel rail and the other dimension on another rail (like I said plenty of stops required for this method). But I cut board for 11 identical cupboards and never had to move a stop.
By the way. I have the full Festool parallel guide system. It's terrible. I will never use it again now that I have the TSO gear. You need a partner to hold it in place while you cut (its not balanced) and it cannot do large widths and and and... it's not productive
With the TSO parallel guilds. How does it work if the rip is narrower than the guild rail? thanks
Great question! All TSO Parallel Guide Systems come with a Narrow Stock Rod that easily reach under your guide rail and replace the shorter pads on the FlipStops when needed.
They don’t have any for Mafell or Bosch tracks
I'm not gonna lie... the same day I watched this video, I whipped out my 50" parallel guides and used them not once... but twice. 🤣
Can you pls tell me, why to buy GRS-16 PE Parallel Edge Guide Rail Square for $ 190 and not the original from Festool with $120 ?
If you look closely you can see the tso logo on the buckle from festool, they’re identical minus the blue color. I got the festool and saved a few bucks to pair it with the Tso guides, works like a charm.
Are the TSO parallel guides better than Festool?
Have their GRS16 (original), Bigfoot (for use w a 500), their modded track aligners and the 13” track extension.
“On the fence” (had to go there) about the parallel guides Woodpecker vs TSO.
No qualms w the GRS16 and Bigfoot, they get used, nuff said. The track aligners, they’re ok but was disappointed their aluminum (the ends on mine were bunged from being dropped at factory/packaging? Filed em down, but expect better at these prices). Will try the new Festool’s next, buddy has some so will try his first maybe.
The 13” track extension, where do I start? Over priced and too short (yeah, don’t go there 😉). Worst thing for my use case I’ve bought from TSO. Why? I may be odd, but I use quick clamps on both ends of guide rails almost 100% of the time. For standard width sheet goods, by the time you add the 13, the track aligners almost always interfere w the clamps. Got tired of cussing it, so it sits in. My drawer mostly unused. To solve this, just yesterday we (my aforementioned friend) literally split a 1080/2. Those extra few inches (yeah don’t go there again) made all the difference. And since we split the price, was cheaper than a 13 from TSO.
Callout on another tool that gets a lot of use in the shop, a Evolution metal cutting saw. Use it for soft steel and aluminum and absolutely love this saw over the old abrasive cutoff saw I used to use. The cuts on the Festool track yesterday didn’t even need a smidge of filing or touch up, no burrs. It’s heavy as heck, but love that thing.
As always, YMMV. Just sharing. Nothing more. Nothing less.
Not associated w any of the manufacturers or companies mentioned in any way other than as a paying customer.
Have a good’un!
Can't we just put two "rulers with ruler stops" and a couple of clamps (if needed) to achieve the same thing or if not 100%, 80% or 90% the same? T-squares with stops are also another cheap option.
Nice products but, the Systainers, which I never use, add about $200 to the price. I have a shop full of empty tool storage boxes. Options that exclude the unnecessary price of a box would be nice if you choose to go TSO.
the Systainers aren't included with the guide rails....you have to add them as an option. i don't use systainers either...i'd hang these on the wall next to my measuring tools
Ya, Sustainers are great if you do this for a living outside the home but then again most people who do this for a living outside the home aren't using this type of equipment so that leaves a bunch of sustainers laying around that need to be stored.
I've bought everything you have on your bench from TSO. It's all very good well made products. But there parallel guides are very hard to set accurately.
I agree. Setting / sighting the measurement is finicky. Would be better if they used a clear plastic sight window with an anti parallax red line sort of thing. Still a great product.
Watch the videos. They are extremely accurate when used properly
I've watched them, even the one by TSO on how to read it. Still very hard to get a repeatable measurement. @@jgarehart89
So I can give an actual example of where someone would use the 50" guides. I had to make crosscuts but the plywood was too large for my single MFT so I laid a larger piece of foam board down, then I used the 50" parallel guide in COMBO with square so I could make length cuts that were 36" for a shelf I was building.
Same for me!
I love the parallel guides from them but the track square attachment is never actually square. Is it the square or the track...who knows
I watched the ads, Merry Christmas ya' filthy animal.
Oh, yeah, Green Suiters Still Sux 😝
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I have a few Woodpeckers pieces and they are very nice. They are way over priced, however. TSO is far more reasonably priced.
Being a festool guy why didn’t you go with their own parallel guide system?
I’m not a fan of theirs. It’s actually my least favorite. I had it years ago.
Where is the Witt Works link?
Sorry about that
www.etsy.com/listing/1443915809/tso-parallel-guide-holder-vertical?click_key=f4f31b6416084a0cb0254fac442d64e56f63277f%3A1443915809&click_sum=9a26afc1&ref=shop_home_active_21&pro=1&sts=1
@@bentswoodworkingthis is good but
what we all want is the link for Off The Cut.
Thanks!!
Unfortunately I bought the parallel guides with slide on rail attachments. The two slide on rail attachment parts were not drilled the same so there is always a distance difference between the two when they are attached to the guides. I then have to compensate for this when I calibrate the guides. I then can’t take the pieces apart without marking which goes with which… bla bla bla. Overall I was really disappointed because the price did not match the quality. I regret buying TSO because of it, while there were alternative options, also with first world manufacturing, without such wild pricing.
lol, I have 2 of those as well
Doesn’t scream quality when the first thing you see on their website is an OBVIOUSLY 3d printed “hold fasts” that are literally just 2 blocks of PLA.
Not sure why, but you don't have a button to save the video in a list for later review, you should ensure you have that as ppl will save it and will review it later. i don't think i will find it again later on.
I think that may be a RUclips thing. On a mobile device I did find that if I switch to full screen view there is a plus sign at the bottom of the screen overlay that still allows you to add to list. Hope that helps!
Also, looks like the bar with the Like button can be scrolled to the left and the save option is at the end. At least on the iPhone app it’s there.
are you clicking the three dots next to the Clip button....i'm able to save it to my list
@@abad_gtr1123 at the time there were no 3 dots but going to other clips i had the option to save. Now that i came back to answer questions i have the option.
Honestly I dont need Parallel guides ever
Perhaps don’t put b-roll video over your main video when your referring/pointing to specific parts in your main video.
A few of you have mentioned that the rail square is over priced, is more than the festool version, which is the same.
Tell me you're a millionaire without telling me you're a millionaire. 🤑
As I was watching I thought “they look decent. Let’s check out the prices and availability.” Then I just stopped watching 😂
Hell no, $300 for a triangle then they want to sell you a padded storage bag on top of it no way that's the kind of company I stay away from.
Your loss
@@MAGAMAN your name. Need I say more? 🤣
hey
The TSO products are nice, but overpriced for what they are. And the "anti-parallax" markers they use are just terrible. It's practically impossible to figure out what I've set it to no matter how many times I watch their video on it. Really want a version that's just a normal, basic pointer, or maybe clear plastic with a line across it or something. They tried to solve a problem that doesn't exist and made it worse in the process.
Nope. Not overpriced at all. Made in the US by workers making a living wage. This is what it costs to manufacture in the US.
@@jasonstromberg Still overpriced, way to much profit just like woodpecker.
@@john-smith.what’s the right amount of profit? Why don’t you invest in a competitive company and bring us the value you say we deserve
Some of us can remember when lower priced goods were also made in the US. Walmart even used to have a Made in the USA campaign. It’s an absolute horse shit argument that the USA can’t produce anything but the high end.
The fact that these don’t fall in the low end is acknowledged.
You're paying for the tolerance, not the concept. The knock-offs are far less reliably square and much poorer at keeping it
I’m going to stop watching your videos because every time I do I end up spending money. Lol
Please don’t 🤣
Why do you have so many Festool track saws?
It’s X-MAS time. Time to sell, sell, sell merchandise!!!
I think you've over priced your goodies.. while nice.. that friggen triangle is NOT worth $500... hell I don't think even woodpeckers' stuff is that expensive.. what were you thining?
Most things are better than Woodpecker, just because of price alone! Woodpecker is a giant rip off!
Woodpeckers makes all products in the US, paying living wages. This is what manufacturing in the US costs.
I'm afraid to think how much it costs...Only for professionals...
I’m not a professional and I love TSO stuff.
Benchdogs makes better stuff than TSO
No, they don’t
Over price just like woodpecker tools.
500 euro cost what are you talking? You advise to us to pay 500 euro?
Good lord the prices for this line make Woodpecker look cheap. Yea no thanks...
Great products and almost half the cost of WdPkerz. However, its still priced more than I paid for my track, connectors and clamps.