my grandfather was a retired marine and a guadacanal vet and my grandmother said that he was never the same when he came back from the pacific. truly the greatest generation of my time. god bless them all.
@@tommythornton8258 They themselves were good people, but they were bad parents. They raised one of the worst generations (baby boomers) and we are still suffering from their legacy with a culture of narcissism, promiscuity, individualism and capitalist greed
This is one of the reasons I would prefer a semi automatic with a full capacity twenty or thirty round magazine over a bolt action rifle for a home defense weapon. The more I study history and watch movies like this the more I hope I am never involved with violence or war.
Yep, those were the topics of conversations at the Thanksgiving and Christmas Day dinner table between my father (Vietnam Vet) and my grandfather (Marine who fought in the Pacific) and it would result in an argument as to whose war was worse.
@@quigonjinn5349 yeah, the thing is deep in the woods it can actually be really hard to hear those sorts of things, as the foliage provides so much insulation and the sounds of birds can drown out things like footsteps and talking.
@@Tbrous4 yeah 45 ACP is still loud, it’s about a 157 decibel report when you fire it. Subsonic vs supersonic really only effects anything if you were trying to suppress the weapon and you were worried about volume at the muzzle and any supersonic report heard down range. In the jungle you would still be able to hear a gun shot from quite a ways regardless of the velocity of the round.
Absolutely.. I listen to the band of brothers podcast, and they had some of the producers on it and they went into great detail on how they produced sound… same goes for the pacific series.
@@brentdallyn8459 It was the _Winchester Model 1897_ 12 gauge pump that was known as the Trench Sweeper in WW1. It terrified the Germans... and rightly so.
@@mckinleymac3452 The Thompson was designed for a second trench war, hence the name "Trench Broom". But you are right about the Trench Sweeper applied to the shotgun.
What I loved about Leckie's story is he always seemed to be given the shitty end of the stick yet held up his own despite hating it. Here when he's tailing charlie and when he was told to return across Peleliu airfield for a corpsman and radio. Leckie always seemed apprehensive and annoyed yet got the job done, which is why I think his officer gave him those jobs; his level of grit.
Having the capacity for automatic fire, even if from smaller rounds in an SMG, seems like such an insanely valuable tactical advantage that I genuinely have no idea at all why such automatic weapons were so scarce on both sides (generally only officers). If it’s that the round is too small, why wouldn’t they invest research into incorporating it into a middling to larger caliber? (Which of course didn’t happen until well after the war ended). It’s just such a mystery to me. Super advanced missiles and shit but not this. No history lecturer has really explained it.
@@edward657 The Japanese, just like the Germans with their MG 34 and MG 42, heavily relied on their Type 99 and earlier model machine guns for automatic fire and didn't consider SMGs necessary. They did have some number of SMGs however, like those licensed 6 000 German MP 18s made in Japan or those bought from Austria and Switzerland. Only in 1944 the Japanese started to mass produce their own designed SMG Type 100. The first ones to think seriously about what you just wrote concerning the research and decided to act were the Germans. The first assault rifle capable of automatic fire that fired intermediate cartridges was made by Hugo Schmeisser and it was in service in the German military since 1943. The STG 44 revolutionized the battlefield and inspired Ak-47 and many other assault rifles later on. So, in fact, an automatic assault rifle firing non-pistol caliber bullets WAS made during WW2. The Germans were the innovators of multiple things, automatic assault rifles included.
@@edward657 I think the reasons why there were relatively few of them and why they started with pistol rounds instead of a middling caliber like we have nowadays is a simple one. Although I would qualify this with a big may not apply to all theaters: The weapon you have and are trained with is better than the one you aren't trained with and don't yet have. Works both on the personal self defense level but also the international logistics level. All sides already have millions of bolt action rifles left over and the production in place to resupply and maintain them. It is really kinda risky in some sense that the Americans transitioned to the garand and the soviets starting spamming out the ppsh. As to why pistol calibers for smgs I am guessing that it is because those rounds were already in mass production. And for some armies in some theaters the smgs would rarely see use. Germans planned to engage at very long distances, emphasis on the planned bit though :) THE CLIP: What is really unnerving to think about in this clip is that in reality there is a very good chance he was using defective ammunition because the supply chain and production for the thompson was messed up early in the war and many of them ended up being replaced with the BAR etc. As far as I know someone screwed up the gunpowder in the bullets and all those thompson rounds would going at HALF their intended velocity. Which is already quite low for a .45 At point blank great, but a lot of people using the thompson a little further out found it could not penetrate the vegetation they were often shooting into. So 9/10 you might have been better off with the rifle that you knew and worked.
@@genericcreator6467 Except if they find a trail of blood leading away from the scene, its fairly obvious that someone got up and moved. if they dont find the body, he got away.
@@Geldahar yeah but he escaped after the dude mowed them down, so that's why he reported he 'got all of em' in the scene, because he didnt know one had gotten up and escaped. idk maybe it's just my bad wording
@@genericcreator6467 not everything in the show is exactly correct. In Band of Brothers, they claim Private Blythe died in 1945. He died in the '60s. They never saw him again so they assumed he was dead.
The scariest part of this kind of combat is that the forest can be full of life for hours, then a gunfight happens and everything goes quiet. No birds, no monkeys, no deer, nothing.
This scene always got me. Shoots up an enemy patrol, runs back to his guys and gives a report with his back turned to the direction of the enemy. Even his own patrol (still standing) is really not too alarmed by the sounds of weapons fire in an otherwise quiet sector or possible larger enemy force approaching because thereafter. Hey wahts up?
If I can remember correctly that was just right after the Battle of Guadalcanal. I think that they didn't expect a large army, just little patrols or guerrilla groups
@Noot Noot Wants Noose Noose In Thin Red Line, it was an American patrol that got ambushed by a Japanese force, with the filming done at the same exact location.
My Uncle was a staff sergeant in the army, led a rifle platoon in New Guinea and the Phillipines won 2 bronze stars for his actions. He was always a bit on the nervous side because of ptsd.
I can’t help to have mix feelings watching The Pacific. I’m Nisei and my great grandfather was in the IJN and died near Guadalcanal. My grandfather was IJA and was sent back to Japan from Saipan before the US invasion because he was only 15 or 16 years old. My grandmother and great uncle were in their early teens during the fire bombings of Osaka and Kobe. Not all Japanese soldiers were fanatic. Just like not all US troops, including myself, believed in the Iraq war. We just did our jobs and hoped to come home in one piece.
Let’s be honest the Japanese military we’re incredibly brutal and committed the worst atrocities of the war. These are often forgotten though due to the Japanese becoming a democratic nation after the war even most Japanese citizens don’t know what went on.
@@matthewredman7814 Yes, this is true. And, I would like to add that, although the dead of Hiroshima and Nagasaki are frequently commented on in the west, the 3m to 10m (estimates differ) Asian civilian and POW deaths as a result of Japanese atrocities, invasions and occupations are hardly ever talked about. To add, while 66k and 39k Japanese civilians died in the two atomic bombings, 300k Nanjing residents were killed - using small arms - by the Japanese. All this is not to say we should continue to hate the Japanese, but not to forget what they did. The internment of Japanese-Americans - unjust as it was - pales in significance to what happened to Asian civilians during WW2.
@@aidan1445 right with Germany they truly apologized and have a Holocaust memorial and they don't idolized their war dead with a cemetery honoring war criminals. They have respect now from the entire world and forgiven. However with Japanese, like many in other Asian countries have this "face" but added on top that pride based on the Samurai "spirit". Korea, China, and South East Asia all suffered from the Japanese Imperial army but because the Western media only cares what happens in Europe, the Japanese army atrocities are mostly ignored. The only exposure the West have of the Imperial Army cruelty are US/British Empire soldiers taken as POWs. From what I read there are some Japanese that recognize their faults in the war but not from a leadership level.
Your feelings are understandable because you have a natural desire to love your ancestors. Maybe your relatives were rare exceptions but the vast majority of Japanese appear to have been very enthusiastic about the cause, according to a large amount of primary sources. Far more enthusiastic than the average American serviceman in Iraq or Afghanistan. They also committed far more atrocities. It's not even close. Our guys have a free press, the internet, freedom of speech etc. It's just two different universes. Mark Felton did a really good video about why the Japanese military was so brutal during WW2. Also thanks for your service.
@@taserrr you might be right ..though the worst of WW1 tactics in action, in other words complete mindlessness and lack of respect for your own soldiers life. the chinese did the same in the korean war and to a lesser extent vietnam
Holy conoli you're right! Can't believe I haven't noticed that before. Steven spielberg directed both jurassic park 2 and the Pacific mini series right? I can't remember honestly, but that's cool! Lol
Leckie spends nearly 3 years in the marines, mostly in combat situations. Then leaves has a private first class. It must be pretty dam hard to get premonitions in the marines or maybe Leckie had discipline issues
One of the best soldiers i ever knew in the Army could not ever get past E-4 because he just could not keep his drinking under control. They did everything they could to give him 2nd, 3rd and 4th chances but after 4 years it was clear to him the Army was closed to him
The 4-men Japanese patrol stood no chance vs a sub-machine gun at close range . Imagine a IJA solider in Leckie's position, the best he could do is probably tossing a grenade, or fire an aimed shot using his type 38 or type 99 bolt action rifle, then run.
The thing about the Japanese tho is that they would and did use rifles and grenades in exactly those sorts of situations, plus machine guns, mortars, traps, etc... Every inch was fought for, tooth and nail.
You're completely correct that the submachine gun was ideal for that situation. Still, the overwhelming majority of casualties in WW2 were caused by artillery. Even in the Pacific, which probably had the most point-blank engagements, only 30% of casualties were caused by small arms. In the Mediterranean theatre, it was as low as 15%. So the IJN's reliance on comparatively inferior small arms wasn't as big a handicap as it might appear. Popular media about all the wars tends to focus on infantry-vs-infantry engagements because it's more telegenic. Indirect artillery and mortar strikes, called in from distant positions by hidden spotters, does not make for compelling television.
@@pagodebregaeforro2803 yup IJA paid a heavy price not having a SMG in their infantry squad. It's just hard to imagine they were not willing or unable to commit resources in SMG development/manufacturing
@@HJ1985 IJA manual issue for soldiers didn't mention about US soldier's automatic guns too. They participated in the war thinking that the enemy still used bolt action rifle. Imagine how surprised they were.
A friend of mines grandad was in Burma ( I’m English) he worked in the jungles, occasionally with the Gurkhas. He has photos of him and his mates sitting with a few Gurkhas and in several photos there would be Japanese heads. Apparently due to the way the Japanese troops acted the Gurkhas would take their heads as they had no mercy for them. And at night when on patrol you had to tie your boot laces in a certain pattern as out of no where knives would be at your throat and they would work down to your boots check your laces and if they were the correct pattern disappear back into the jungle if not your throat was cut ( like I said a mates grandad so no idea how true the stories are however the photos were real) so I couldn’t imagine how terrifying patrolling a jungle must have been
Jack cloud , it's true , my mates father was a double diamond in New Guinea , he was named in the history books about what the Commandos did to survive.
along with SPR and BOB these 3 are the BEST war movies in the last 30 years...... I say that as a Vet, and also Hanks and Spielberg's attention to detail - for ANY ex military person watching these - it is the SMALL details that "maketh the movie". Sure they made mistakes, but got it 90% right. Only issue is with rounds going past never hissing or snapping like the real rounds do.... but they got almost everything right!
A common critic with war movies it that they don’t get the noise right, lol his is espically true with scenes like this and I’m saving private Ryan. Many vets who are interview say it’s impossible to get that aspect right as you feel the noises rather than just hear them.
@@sbraypaynt Absolute masterclass of television that one, no music, no nothing, just the characters playing off of each other in a really shitty situation. It was like a fucked up road trip in the back drop of a war, pretty much EXACTLY what modern war often looks like.
There's a German show called Generation war that follows young German soldiers in Kharkov and (I think) Stalingrad. Not as much action as The Pacific or BOB but still very good, and interesting to see a German perspective.
@John-uy4jx Apparently a miniseries is being made about the 2nd ranger company the first and only all black ranger company that saw action in Korean War.
Awesome series just picked up the DVDs for a dollar at a thrift shop. Haven't watched it since it first came out. I understand a lot of it was filmed here in Australia.🇦🇺
Wait...your own patrol is no more than 200 yards away by now. They would clearly have heard the MG fire of the Thompson. And they are just standing around when he comes running up? They didn't turn around and get in position to ambush whatever may have been fired upon?!
Love how the movie recommendation is The thin red line which is about the army on Guadalcanal this particular scene is about a marine on cape Gloucester from an HBO miniseries
At the end of this clip when they are walking in the river, it's the same spot where Witt, Fife, and the other guy run into the Japanese unit towards the end of The Thin Red Line.
@@shitchops I had actually watched the Thin Red Line a couple weeks before I watched the Pacific. And when I saw this camera angle I thought, is that the same area from Thin Red Line. They both were filmed in the rainforests in Queensland, Australia.
Here’s the thing. If you’ve ever been in a jungle you’d know anything over 5-10’ away is out of sight. That he was able to run thru the jungle and find is squad is nigh to impossible. It’s so easy to get twisted and turned around in thick jungle.
@@st3gosaurus I disagree. The jungle behind our barracks in the Philippines was so thick you disappeared 3-5m from the parking lot. I know that because we did it.
Paw was one of the US Army “Red Arrow Division” soldiers who marched over the Owen Stanley Mts in New Guinea. He spoke of the first time they saw Japanese - that one of their Fuzzy Wuzzy guides came running, pointing up the trail, shouting “Japan man Japan man!” They set up an ambush - and were amazed to see 6’ tall, strong and confident soldiers. They had been fed propaganda about short, squinty eyed sub human cockroaches…By the time they got to Buna both sides were starving and decimated with malaria and dysentery.
@@saltech3444 Paw had been an athlete - a AAA professional baseball player. After being relieved by the Aussies he weighed less than a 100 lbs with 104 degree temp - and shipped to Australia to recover. He was finally released in July, 1945 when informed he had accumulated enough points while on the front in the Philippines. Still held in the reserve, he was probably spared from being called back for the invasion of the Japanese home islands by the atomic bomb.
band of brothers was no where near accurate for what happened. Buck Compton, webster, and others lay out what really happened in their books. not even close to what spielberg shows. As for the pacific, the actual story of leckies ambush is more interesting than the spielberg version if you ask me. I really suggest you read the book - helmet for my pillow. its good. by the way, they embellished on sledges story big time too. his book is nothing like the mini series.
@@kidcheater5786 it actually just showed up in my notifications. stupid youtube. most of these guys wrote books before or after the series came out and it is amazing how different the real story is from the hollywood story. even wild bill wrote one with babe hefron right before he passed.
Funny how cautious they all were at the start, then they move out carefully, then when they encounter Japanese troops they just all bunch up and walk down the river making loud splashes and using no sound discipline or spacing at all LOL
In Iraq, they were having problem with the 5.56 mm and 9 mm stopping, much less killing the enemy. No one ever complained about the .45 or .30 cal not stopping with a single round.
To be fair body armour was nonexistent in those days, and engagement distances were a lot shorter... It's a lot easier to kill a man if he's only wearing canvas and leather and standing less than 300 feet away. Plus, 556 is much more controllable for sustained fire, than 30 cal, same with 9mm to 45... A necessary trade-off when everyone has an automatic rifle and optics able to shoot out to 600 meters.
Alot of people complained about 30 carbine though. 5.56 is a good round. I think the main issue from what I heard in Iraq is they were issued 62 grain armor piercing rounds that are designed to punch straight through body armor. Well there is a a lot of targets not wearing body armor especially in Fallujah so the rounds just pass through without tumbling. The regular 55g projectiles tumble through the target causing more damage. As for 9mm because of recent advances in ballistics its gotten even better.
As someone who did his mandatory military service, my butthole clinches when I see those helmet straps open... The Sergeant-Instructor would have beaten the living shit out of us when this happens...
The straps weren't elastic back then. Soldiers and Marines didn't buckle the strap because of the fear that the concussion from an explosion could cause the helmet to snap your neck of it couldn't fly off. The only time they would strap it is if they were jumping out of a plane or hitting the beach.
@@alpharius4434 its a common trope in films and tv shows. For some reason having your chinstrap on is something reserved for minor and or inexperienced characters, whereas having it off is commonly seen for those with experience, or who are more important. My guess is experienced/important characters will remove their helmets for some scenes, and so they don't buckle themselves in.
Also, as a fact, when a soldier is caught near an explolsion, the pressure wave will travel up and into the helmet and send it flying upwards. With the chin strap on, it will cause serious injury like a broken neck...
My grandad never wore his chin strap, at least not in combat. He told my dad that if anyone got a hold of it with the straps still on they could haul you to the ground with the leverage it gave them. Though keep in mind that my grandad also never wore a seatbelt in case it became stuck during a crash, so I would take everything he says with a grain of salt.
Japanese weapon constructors were of the believe, that the regular bolt action rifle always worked before wouldn't need a replacement. Submachine guns were not a priority in their mind.
Good shout, very similar claustrophobic vibes as that scene where Sheen freezes up. He kinda redeemed himself later in the final battle, plus he nailed Barnes too.
Old story I got told from a vet in the Pacific about how he was having to hide in a bush about 3 meters from the enemy. with his comrade begging for his life until the enemy be headed him! He said that they could almost hear his heart beating through his chest!
I know its Hollywood but I seriously doubt Leckie and his squad would exfill sloshing down a creek making all that noise after Leck's ambush. Very nice mini series though.
you can stop doubting and read Leckie's and Sledge's books instead, maybe that could prevent you from throwing another _"muh, Hollywood"_ stupid tantrum every time you see an scene from this series
@@predatorjunglehunter7332 noone listens to lames with ICarly kid video on their channel with a tank on their banner and and a predator as a profile GIF. Borderline chomo profile.m
"My dad died of Alzheimer's in 2001. At the end, even when he couldn't remember any of us, he never forgot being in the Pacific." -David Leckie
Dang. That’s deep.
Entire generation scarred by what they saw and did
my grandfather was a retired marine and a guadacanal vet and my grandmother said that he was never the same when he came back from the pacific. truly the greatest generation of my time. god bless them all.
Your Dad saw a lot, did a lot, and it was seared into his soul. Thank god for men like him, so the rest of us can live in peace.
@@tommythornton8258 They themselves were good people, but they were bad parents. They raised one of the worst generations (baby boomers) and we are still suffering from their legacy with a culture of narcissism, promiscuity, individualism and capitalist greed
Imagine the feeling of that moment,enemy closing in...You hoping that your gun doesn't jam or you're dead.
This is one of the reasons I would prefer a semi automatic with a full capacity twenty or thirty round magazine over a bolt action rifle for a home defense weapon. The more I study history and watch movies like this the more I hope I am never involved with violence or war.
I think a pistol is fine for home defense. I wouldn’t want bullet holes in my walls. 😬
@@liberty4392 Damn, is there an army assaulting your house? God speed, man.
@@liberty4392 never under estimate a man with a bolt action rifle, they can be quite effective
Or even run out of rounds in a middle of a firefight….
Leckie survived the war to write a lot of books, marry his sweetheart, and raise a family.
David Goldin great to hear
They look way too clean
Helmet for my Pillow is a truly incredible book.
@@mu0FFpu0FF what you mean?
Bravo brothers
That's hilarious he needs his mom to yell at him to ask that woman out, but he hardcore drops four dudes like it was nothing. Humans are weird. 😂😂😂
he aint no simp
in an alternate universe he shoots the woman and asks the japs out
@@northtide4177 this
It’s human nature to defend and attack
One is the fear of rejection and the other is the fight or flight instinct. Two different mechanisms.
It was like this in Vietnam, patrols being sometimes so close to each other but never knowing due to the dense jungle and noises
But you are listening for noises that arent made by nature if and when you can hear them.
Yep, those were the topics of conversations at the Thanksgiving and Christmas Day dinner table between my father (Vietnam Vet) and my grandfather (Marine who fought in the Pacific) and it would result in an argument as to whose war was worse.
@@quigonjinn5349 yeah, the thing is deep in the woods it can actually be really hard to hear those sorts of things, as the foliage provides so much insulation and the sounds of birds can drown out things like footsteps and talking.
@@trainknut in addition the M1 Thompson fired a .45 ACP cartridge that’s naturally subsonic, making it quieter than supersonic cartridges.
@@Tbrous4 yeah 45 ACP is still loud, it’s about a 157 decibel report when you fire it. Subsonic vs supersonic really only effects anything if you were trying to suppress the weapon and you were worried about volume at the muzzle and any supersonic report heard down range. In the jungle you would still be able to hear a gun shot from quite a ways regardless of the velocity of the round.
Let's take a moment to appreciate the sound design for the firearms in this series.
And let's NOT celebrate how they used the same death yell sample twice at 1:24 xD
you mean record the real thing
Absolutely.. I listen to the band of brothers podcast, and they had some of the producers on it and they went into great detail on how they produced sound… same goes for the pacific series.
@@ArcticChonk Lol didnt catch that! How did they think theyd get away with using the same vilhelm twice in a row?
@@nhdoom8368 Haha, I know right! It instantly makes it feel very vintage.
The receiving end of a Thompson at close range, pretty much exactly what it was designed for.
Marketed as the Trench Sweeper it never saw combat in WW1 but the title was accurate
@@brentdallyn8459
It was the _Winchester Model 1897_ 12 gauge pump that was known as the Trench Sweeper in WW1. It terrified the Germans... and rightly so.
@@mckinleymac3452 Trench broom, I was close
@@mckinleymac3452 The Thompson was designed for a second trench war, hence the name "Trench Broom". But you are right about the Trench Sweeper applied to the shotgun.
@Kistler Clipz Not really.
What I loved about Leckie's story is he always seemed to be given the shitty end of the stick yet held up his own despite hating it. Here when he's tailing charlie and when he was told to return across Peleliu airfield for a corpsman and radio. Leckie always seemed apprehensive and annoyed yet got the job done, which is why I think his officer gave him those jobs; his level of grit.
The curse of the competent.
It's "Tail end" Charlie.
Just FYI.
@@bobkoroua ah thankyou
I bet he’s thankful to be issued an smg in that moment. Imagine if he had a single shot rifle like many other had in that situation
Having the capacity for automatic fire, even if from smaller rounds in an SMG, seems like such an insanely valuable tactical advantage that I genuinely have no idea at all why such automatic weapons were so scarce on both sides (generally only officers).
If it’s that the round is too small, why wouldn’t they invest research into incorporating it into a middling to larger caliber? (Which of course didn’t happen until well after the war ended).
It’s just such a mystery to me. Super advanced missiles and shit but not this. No history lecturer has really explained it.
@@edward657 Cost. It was cheaper and more cost/time-efficient to produce rifles than SMGs, as well as ammo for them.
@@edward657 The Japanese, just like the Germans with their MG 34 and MG 42, heavily relied on their Type 99 and earlier model machine guns for automatic fire and didn't consider SMGs necessary. They did have some number of SMGs however, like those licensed 6 000 German MP 18s made in Japan or those bought from Austria and Switzerland. Only in 1944 the Japanese started to mass produce their own designed SMG Type 100.
The first ones to think seriously about what you just wrote concerning the research and decided to act were the Germans. The first assault rifle capable of automatic fire that fired intermediate cartridges was made by Hugo Schmeisser and it was in service in the German military since 1943. The STG 44 revolutionized the battlefield and inspired Ak-47 and many other assault rifles later on.
So, in fact, an automatic assault rifle firing non-pistol caliber bullets WAS made during WW2. The Germans were the innovators of multiple things, automatic assault rifles included.
@@edward657 I think the reasons why there were relatively few of them and why they started with pistol rounds instead of a middling caliber like we have nowadays is a simple one. Although I would qualify this with a big may not apply to all theaters: The weapon you have and are trained with is better than the one you aren't trained with and don't yet have. Works both on the personal self defense level but also the international logistics level. All sides already have millions of bolt action rifles left over and the production in place to resupply and maintain them. It is really kinda risky in some sense that the Americans transitioned to the garand and the soviets starting spamming out the ppsh. As to why pistol calibers for smgs I am guessing that it is because those rounds were already in mass production. And for some armies in some theaters the smgs would rarely see use. Germans planned to engage at very long distances, emphasis on the planned bit though :) THE CLIP: What is really unnerving to think about in this clip is that in reality there is a very good chance he was using defective ammunition because the supply chain and production for the thompson was messed up early in the war and many of them ended up being replaced with the BAR etc. As far as I know someone screwed up the gunpowder in the bullets and all those thompson rounds would going at HALF their intended velocity. Which is already quite low for a .45 At point blank great, but a lot of people using the thompson a little further out found it could not penetrate the vegetation they were often shooting into. So 9/10 you might have been better off with the rifle that you knew and worked.
@@edward657 M1/M2 carbine was the start of that for the US during this time. Germany did even more there best example the stg 44.
According to Leckie's book, one got away. They found a blood trail.
if they got away then he wouldn't know, so that's why he said he got all of them.
@@genericcreator6467 Except if they find a trail of blood leading away from the scene, its fairly obvious that someone got up and moved. if they dont find the body, he got away.
@@Geldahar yeah but he escaped after the dude mowed them down, so that's why he reported he 'got all of em' in the scene, because he didnt know one had gotten up and escaped. idk maybe it's just my bad wording
@@genericcreator6467 not everything in the show is exactly correct. In Band of Brothers, they claim Private Blythe died in 1945. He died in the '60s. They never saw him again so they assumed he was dead.
@@ironstarofmordian7098 thats my point
Was a good series. Have the tin boxed version.
Same, I'm loving mine.
Photoguy64 Likewise
I have the tin box too!
Same
same
James Badge Dale killed it as Leckie..... he was also great in 13 Hours. Hope to see him in more stuff.
Check out the empty man
He was in The Departed, wasn't he?
He's also in _Spectral_
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectral
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Was also very good in Only the Brave, along with Josh Brolin and Miles Teller
Also in world war z.
And he did it all with a 20 round magazine! Amazing.
4 people 10 feet in front of him? ya amazing, knobhead
@@peterlonergan wow someone's pressed
@@colinclayton8042 lol you're right.
4 people with 20 rounds? whats so impresive again?
@@17MrLeon I thought it was 30 rounds, sure a blind man couldn't miss from that range lol.
0:13 right hand for trigger
0:40 left hand on trigger
0:43 back to right hand
make up your mind leckie
Mirrored image, check where the grenades are on his suspenders
Wasn’t leckie.
Maybe he’s ambidextrous
@@matthew_natividad Wolfgang Amadeus?
@@genghisgalahad8465 I’m saying he’s ambidextrous
The scariest part of this kind of combat is that the forest can be full of life for hours, then a gunfight happens and everything goes quiet. No birds, no monkeys, no deer, nothing.
This scene always got me. Shoots up an enemy patrol, runs back to his guys and gives a report with his back turned to the direction of the enemy. Even his own patrol (still standing) is really not too alarmed by the sounds of weapons fire in an otherwise quiet sector or possible larger enemy force approaching because thereafter. Hey wahts up?
If I can remember correctly that was just right after the Battle of Guadalcanal. I think that they didn't expect a large army, just little patrols or guerrilla groups
thoughtful, logical, well reasoned observations? You don't belong here!!!
@@750suzuki With a name like Suzuki I guess I should be asking you that question?
Its one of my bikes, if it was one of my firearms it would be 45ACP1911, AR15 or 12gaugePump
Psh. 44 magnum model 29, Remington 870 magnum rifled short barrel with slug scope, and sorry but the Ak47...
2:02 looks exactly where Thin Red Line was filmed
Also Jurassic Park
Must be northern Queensland - you can hear a Noisy Pitta calling at 0:50 secs
Also looks like the intro to the mission “Hard Landing” from Call of Duty: World at War.
@Noot Noot Wants Noose Noose In Thin Red Line, it was an American patrol that got ambushed by a Japanese force, with the filming done at the same exact location.
That's what I thought when I saw the clip!
My Uncle was a staff sergeant in the army, led a rifle platoon in New Guinea and the Phillipines won 2 bronze stars for his actions. He was always a bit on the nervous side because of ptsd.
My future son was a 4 star general who led a submarine assault on a Japanese port
@@greydotjaguar submarine is hell
@@greydotjaguar This will go over most people's head here.
I thought it'd be the japanese he'd be worried about
@@greydotjaguar Stop being a troll.
What better than a Thomson 45 to take multiple targets in a hurry?
mp40, sten, stg44, mp5, ak47, hand grenade, nuclear bomb, mini gun. a lot of things actually
Rock, slingshot, spit ball, rubber band gun, or lawn dart. 😛😀
Ppsh-41
@@somebloke3869 finally the correct answer.
Drrrr. Drrrr Drrrr. The good old Tommy
1:59
That looks exactly like Call of Duty World At War
My childhood memories
Holy shit I was just thinking that. Roebuck is the man
Cod waw took alot from this show and implemented it into the game and it paid of big time
@@berreta92f what are you talking about? CODWAW was released in 2008 before The Pacific(2010).
rexford barrientos sorry meant the books ‘with the old breed’ and robert leckies book which the show is based on
Excellent miniseries with strong characters all around. But I must say, Lekie was my favourite!
"Good job nailing those Japs" Ok everyone, let's cross this creek holding hands for safety.
Wasn't much of an ambush, sheer luck that Leckie caught them, and got 'em
I can’t help to have mix feelings watching The Pacific. I’m Nisei and my great grandfather was in the IJN and died near Guadalcanal. My grandfather was IJA and was sent back to Japan from Saipan before the US invasion because he was only 15 or 16 years old. My grandmother and great uncle were in their early teens during the fire bombings of Osaka and Kobe. Not all Japanese soldiers were fanatic. Just like not all US troops, including myself, believed in the Iraq war. We just did our jobs and hoped to come home in one piece.
Let’s be honest the Japanese military we’re incredibly brutal and committed the worst atrocities of the war. These are often forgotten though due to the Japanese becoming a democratic nation after the war even most Japanese citizens don’t know what went on.
m.ruclips.net/video/V5P39H5Wtls/видео.html
Theres a reason the Japanese people is still loathed and hated by a lot of asian countries elderly.
@@matthewredman7814 Yes, this is true. And, I would like to add that, although the dead of Hiroshima and Nagasaki are frequently commented on in the west, the 3m to 10m (estimates differ) Asian civilian and POW deaths as a result of Japanese atrocities, invasions and occupations are hardly ever talked about. To add, while 66k and 39k Japanese civilians died in the two atomic bombings, 300k Nanjing residents were killed - using small arms - by the Japanese.
All this is not to say we should continue to hate the Japanese, but not to forget what they did. The internment of Japanese-Americans - unjust as it was - pales in significance to what happened to Asian civilians during WW2.
@@aidan1445 right with Germany they truly apologized and have a Holocaust memorial and they don't idolized their war dead with a cemetery honoring war criminals. They have respect now from the entire world and forgiven. However with Japanese, like many in other Asian countries have this "face" but added on top that pride based on the Samurai "spirit". Korea, China, and South East Asia all suffered from the Japanese Imperial army but because the Western media only cares what happens in Europe, the Japanese army atrocities are mostly ignored. The only exposure the West have of the Imperial Army cruelty are US/British Empire soldiers taken as POWs. From what I read there are some Japanese that recognize their faults in the war but not from a leadership level.
Your feelings are understandable because you have a natural desire to love your ancestors. Maybe your relatives were rare exceptions but the vast majority of Japanese appear to have been very enthusiastic about the cause, according to a large amount of primary sources. Far more enthusiastic than the average American serviceman in Iraq or Afghanistan. They also committed far more atrocities. It's not even close. Our guys have a free press, the internet, freedom of speech etc. It's just two different universes. Mark Felton did a really good video about why the Japanese military was so brutal during WW2. Also thanks for your service.
Whats slightly haunting about this scene is how, if circumstances/fate were just slightly different, this situation could have been flipped.
That moment was so eerie when he hears something and crouch’s down. Something about the sound design in this show just gets to me
Thanks for uploading
Respect to the Marines they fought an very hard enemy!
Well, Enemies that his Main Strategy is A Banzai attack, I don't think so.
@@pineda3758 You're an idiot for saying that. Banzai wasn't their main strategy, it was their last resort.
@@pineda3758 hold one off then
@@taserrr agreed
@@taserrr you might be right ..though the worst of WW1 tactics in action, in other words complete mindlessness and lack of respect for your own soldiers life. the chinese did the same in the korean war and to a lesser extent vietnam
1:59 this is the same location of the lost world jurassic park, stegosaurus scene
Holy conoli you're right! Can't believe I haven't noticed that before. Steven spielberg directed both jurassic park 2 and the Pacific mini series right? I can't remember honestly, but that's cool! Lol
Amazing detail!!!
So are you telling me that the actor of Eugene sledge was on the same set after 20 years ?
Jiří Dušek more like 13 years but yea it looks the same
And the thin red line too!
Leckie spends nearly 3 years in the marines, mostly in combat situations. Then leaves has a private first class. It must be pretty dam hard to get premonitions in the marines or maybe Leckie had discipline issues
Yeah, I think there’s an episode where he gets in trouble with some mp’s while on leave.
*he's *damn *promotions
It's not hard, he's just a fuck up in some way. Or did something to get him demoted
He assaulted an officer and brandished a weapon while drunk, got him demoted from pfc to pvt and eventually made it back up to pfc.
One of the best soldiers i ever knew in the Army could not ever get past E-4 because he just could not keep his drinking under control. They did everything they could to give him 2nd, 3rd and 4th chances but after 4 years it was clear to him the Army was closed to him
The 4-men Japanese patrol stood no chance vs a sub-machine gun at close range . Imagine a IJA solider in Leckie's position, the best he could do is probably tossing a grenade, or fire an aimed shot using his type 38 or type 99 bolt action rifle, then run.
Yes, japanese military leaders negligencied the effectiveness of their military by not having submachineguns in high numbers.
The thing about the Japanese tho is that they would and did use rifles and grenades in exactly those sorts of situations, plus machine guns, mortars, traps, etc... Every inch was fought for, tooth and nail.
You're completely correct that the submachine gun was ideal for that situation. Still, the overwhelming majority of casualties in WW2 were caused by artillery. Even in the Pacific, which probably had the most point-blank engagements, only 30% of casualties were caused by small arms. In the Mediterranean theatre, it was as low as 15%. So the IJN's reliance on comparatively inferior small arms wasn't as big a handicap as it might appear.
Popular media about all the wars tends to focus on infantry-vs-infantry engagements because it's more telegenic. Indirect artillery and mortar strikes, called in from distant positions by hidden spotters, does not make for compelling television.
@@pagodebregaeforro2803 yup IJA paid a heavy price not having a SMG in their infantry squad. It's just hard to imagine they were not willing or unable to commit resources in SMG development/manufacturing
@@HJ1985 IJA manual issue for soldiers didn't mention about US soldier's automatic guns too. They participated in the war thinking that the enemy still used bolt action rifle. Imagine how surprised they were.
my wife's papaw, Wallace Riffle, was a marine at Peleliu and tarawa. Godspeed, gentlemen.
Peleliu AND Tarawa ? Man, the guy had one of the worst luck around... :/
How’d that happen, did he transfer after Tarawa? Tarawa was 2nd Marines, Peleliu was 1st Marines.
@@mumblerinc.6660 If he were still alive, i'd ask him.
No one on a patrol loses sight of their next man and just keeps moving on, as soon as that happens the patrol stops.
A friend of mines grandad was in Burma ( I’m English) he worked in the jungles, occasionally with the Gurkhas. He has photos of him and his mates sitting with a few Gurkhas and in several photos there would be Japanese heads. Apparently due to the way the Japanese troops acted the Gurkhas would take their heads as they had no mercy for them. And at night when on patrol you had to tie your boot laces in a certain pattern as out of no where knives would be at your throat and they would work down to your boots check your laces and if they were the correct pattern disappear back into the jungle if not your throat was cut ( like I said a mates grandad so no idea how true the stories are however the photos were real) so I couldn’t imagine how terrifying patrolling a jungle must have been
The Gurkhas are nothing short of the perfect soliders
Shit of nightmares.
Oh the Gurkhas had no mercy towards the Japanese. Even they were scared of them.
My grnadfather was a pilot in the CBI with the 16th combat cargo.
Jack cloud , it's true , my mates father was a double diamond in New Guinea , he was named in the history books about what the Commandos did to survive.
along with SPR and BOB these 3 are the BEST war movies in the last 30 years...... I say that as a Vet, and also Hanks and Spielberg's attention to detail - for ANY ex military person watching these - it is the SMALL details that "maketh the movie". Sure they made mistakes, but got it 90% right. Only issue is with rounds going past never hissing or snapping like the real rounds do.... but they got almost everything right!
God bless you and thank you for your service
A common critic with war movies it that they don’t get the noise right, lol his is espically true with scenes like this and I’m saving private Ryan. Many vets who are interview say it’s impossible to get that aspect right as you feel the noises rather than just hear them.
I seriously recommend Generation Kill.
7 hour long episodes for about 11 quid on RUclips
Best eleven pounds I’ve ever spent
A new series is in production Masters of the Air following the Army Air Corp
Made by the same studio and Tom Hanks and Steven Spielberg.
@@sbraypaynt Absolute masterclass of television that one, no music, no nothing, just the characters playing off of each other in a really shitty situation. It was like a fucked up road trip in the back drop of a war, pretty much EXACTLY what modern war often looks like.
I'd like to see a Pacific type of show for Vietnam. Can't believe Spielberg hasn't tapped into that period of history yet.
I agree! Or even ww2 again but the eastern front and also ww1 themed
There's a German show called Generation war that follows young German soldiers in Kharkov and (I think) Stalingrad. Not as much action as The Pacific or BOB but still very good, and interesting to see a German perspective.
I’d like one of Korea
@John-uy4jx Apparently a miniseries is being made about the 2nd ranger company the first and only all black ranger company that saw action in Korean War.
Are you kidding Vietnam has been done so many times!
dude imagine the feeling of that moment when enemy closing in and you have to just wait
Why did his group look so relaxed and laid back when he ran up to them after firing off all those shots lol
Thank god for the Chicago typewriter!
aka chicago violin
So he mag dumps a full 20 round mag and 0 reaction from his squad? bruh he was like less than a minute away from them wtf
They say the scariest sound isn’t bank, it’s click. Imagine if his Tommy gun had gone click instead of bang.
Awesome series just picked up the DVDs for a dollar at a thrift shop. Haven't watched it since it first came out. I understand a lot of it was filmed here in Australia.🇦🇺
Back in the days of Battlefield 2 I pulled this maneuver off on the Wake Island map. The chumps never saw it coming.
The last bit of this with the tree over the river… that location was also used for filming in the movie “Thin Red Line”
He was damned lucky it was just 4 of em, not a whole patrol
In Close Quarter, Tommy always wins.
At the end he's back at point and everyone is following him
A Marine with a 'Chicago typewriter': one of the most dangerous things on earth.
Wait...your own patrol is no more than 200 yards away by now. They would clearly have heard the MG fire of the Thompson. And they are just standing around when he comes running up? They didn't turn around and get in position to ambush whatever may have been fired upon?!
It wasn't in the script.
Love how the movie recommendation is The thin red line which is about the army on Guadalcanal this particular scene is about a marine on cape Gloucester from an HBO miniseries
Hey American Atlas congrats on 25 subs
Imagine you are Japanese, walking with your friends then all of a sudden your buddy's brains becomes sashimi.
At the end of this clip when they are walking in the river, it's the same spot where Witt, Fife, and the other guy run into the Japanese unit towards the end of The Thin Red Line.
I wondered that too but how did you comfirm that exactly ?
Lol weirdly I just thought that after watching this clip the first time
@@shitchops I had actually watched the Thin Red Line a couple weeks before I watched the Pacific. And when I saw this camera angle I thought, is that the same area from Thin Red Line. They both were filmed in the rainforests in Queensland, Australia.
Damn; I recognized that location as in The Thin Red Line too! Being an old country boy, you learn every stretch and bend in a creek!
Looks like the site for the lost world aswell.
Here’s the thing. If you’ve ever been in a jungle you’d know anything over 5-10’ away is out of sight. That he was able to run thru the jungle and find is squad is nigh to impossible. It’s so easy to get twisted and turned around in thick jungle.
they were only like 30 metres away bro it aint that deep
@@st3gosaurus I disagree. The jungle behind our barracks in the Philippines was so thick you disappeared 3-5m from the parking lot. I know that because we did it.
Paw was one of the US Army “Red Arrow Division” soldiers who marched over the Owen Stanley Mts in New Guinea. He spoke of the first time they saw Japanese - that one of their Fuzzy Wuzzy guides came running, pointing up the trail, shouting “Japan man Japan man!” They set up an ambush - and were amazed to see 6’ tall, strong and confident soldiers. They had been fed propaganda about short, squinty eyed sub human cockroaches…By the time they got to Buna both sides were starving and decimated with malaria and dysentery.
Buna was a vile campaign. 50 degrees celsius and 100 degree humidity - malaria everywhere.
@@saltech3444 Paw had been an athlete - a AAA professional baseball player. After being relieved by the Aussies he weighed less than a 100 lbs with 104 degree temp - and shipped to Australia to recover. He was finally released in July, 1945 when informed he had accumulated enough points while on the front in the Philippines. Still held in the reserve, he was probably spared from being called back for the invasion of the Japanese home islands by the atomic bomb.
02:00 >
Call of Duty World At War
I think its tangled in somthing? . OH SHIT GRENADE!
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Medal of Honor Pacific Assault
00:56 If that was me, i'd probably would've panicked, screamed "they're here" and died like an idiot.
I always thought this was such a badass event for Bob to live through
Submachine gun is most suitable in jungle warfare. Most jungle skirmishes in close quarter. Around 50 meters.
Taking on 4 armed men solo even with surprise on your side is badass.
Banzai charge might be spooky, but a single marine with a tommy gun in the jungle at like 10 meters is worse.
Bring up the rear? That's when they getcha!
That big tree over the river is the same from Thin Red Line.
Didn't know the pacific was filmed in Australia?
Lecki should have yelled "kawasaki Hentai!"
Missed opportunity 🤦🏼♂️
those .45 ammo got that stopping power man Imagine getting sprayed with thompson
Good plow of Mora Tapinella there. Play your cards right and you’re basically invincible.
you guys should read his book to see how the ambush really went down. nothing like this
Hammer Stein ok then how did it go bc mr spielberg plays by the book
alrightee for the most part, some details here and there are different in the movie for drama obviously.
band of brothers was no where near accurate for what happened. Buck Compton, webster, and others lay out what really happened in their books. not even close to what spielberg shows. As for the pacific, the actual story of leckies ambush is more interesting than the spielberg version if you ask me. I really suggest you read the book - helmet for my pillow. its good. by the way, they embellished on sledges story big time too. his book is nothing like the mini series.
Hammer Stein Pretty much. Surprised you actually responded to him. Took a bit though.
@@kidcheater5786 it actually just showed up in my notifications. stupid youtube. most of these guys wrote books before or after the series came out and it is amazing how different the real story is from the hollywood story. even wild bill wrote one with babe hefron right before he passed.
That THOMPSON sure makes a deadly mess
Alone and about to initiate an ambush with an open bolt weapon. I'd be s w e a t i n g.
Great battle scenes. Thanks.
Funny how cautious they all were at the start, then they move out carefully, then when they encounter Japanese troops they just all bunch up and walk down the river making loud splashes and using no sound discipline or spacing at all LOL
Damn good work. 👍
Sometimes I wonder if those enemy jungle patrols are sometimes Japanese or just formosan volunteers.
insane ... this series is amazing
A little different than most WW1 patrols later in the war where both sides saw each other and sometimes even traded things and went on their way.
I read Helmet for My Pillow, great book. I had read Guadicanal Diary, it started my quest to learn more.
One of the best example of using Thompson in movies. Short bursts of fire
Nice reload on the fly.
In Iraq, they were having problem with the 5.56 mm and 9 mm stopping, much less killing the enemy. No one ever complained about the .45 or .30 cal not stopping with a single round.
To be fair body armour was nonexistent in those days, and engagement distances were a lot shorter... It's a lot easier to kill a man if he's only wearing canvas and leather and standing less than 300 feet away. Plus, 556 is much more controllable for sustained fire, than 30 cal, same with 9mm to 45... A necessary trade-off when everyone has an automatic rifle and optics able to shoot out to 600 meters.
Alot of people complained about 30 carbine though. 5.56 is a good round. I think the main issue from what I heard in Iraq is they were issued 62 grain armor piercing rounds that are designed to punch straight through body armor. Well there is a a lot of targets not wearing body armor especially in Fallujah so the rounds just pass through without tumbling. The regular 55g projectiles tumble through the target causing more damage. As for 9mm because of recent advances in ballistics its gotten even better.
@@trainknut also, they weren't dealing with religious fanatics on meth. Not as much at least.
Sometimes even insurgents would be doped on drugs too. Also, our M4s and M16s (Rarely ever seen now in the Corps) do shoot burst but are rarely used.
That's all bullshit.
A combination of missed shots, rummors and placebo.
A 5.56 has more power to it than a .45 could ever dream of
It's nice to see proper spacing
As someone who did his mandatory military service, my butthole clinches when I see those helmet straps open... The Sergeant-Instructor would have beaten the living shit out of us when this happens...
The straps weren't elastic back then. Soldiers and Marines didn't buckle the strap because of the fear that the concussion from an explosion could cause the helmet to snap your neck of it couldn't fly off. The only time they would strap it is if they were jumping out of a plane or hitting the beach.
@@rinck17 Exactly what I was taught in WW2 re-enacting, same explanation. It's appropriate for the time period.
Being in training is alot different than being in the field. I don't think anyone gives a shit about helmet straps when you're in the jungle
I wish they would bring this & band of brother into Netflix so I could watch them both for the millionth time 😭👌🏼
1st rule of being an US soldier: NEVER have your helmet chin strap put on.
Why ?
@@alpharius4434 its a common trope in films and tv shows. For some reason having your chinstrap on is something reserved for minor and or inexperienced characters, whereas having it off is commonly seen for those with experience, or who are more important.
My guess is experienced/important characters will remove their helmets for some scenes, and so they don't buckle themselves in.
Also, as a fact, when a soldier is caught near an explolsion, the pressure wave will travel up and into the helmet and send it flying upwards. With the chin strap on, it will cause serious injury like a broken neck...
@@alpharius4434 Because you'll never get in the movies--or on RUclips.
My grandad never wore his chin strap, at least not in combat. He told my dad that if anyone got a hold of it with the straps still on they could haul you to the ground with the leverage it gave them. Though keep in mind that my grandad also never wore a seatbelt in case it became stuck during a crash, so I would take everything he says with a grain of salt.
The .40 cal in those Thompsons sound like the definition of a well oiled machine
.45 cal
Impressive shots, not easy to take out four men
Japanese weapon constructors were of the believe, that the regular bolt action rifle always worked before wouldn't need a replacement. Submachine guns were not a priority in their mind.
Trycoldman23, is that you? i love your stop motions they are cool, like the berlin one.
Fortunately he was issued a SMG instead of a bolt action rifle or Garand.
Basically what Charlie Sheen should've done in Platoon except with an M16 and claymores
Good shout, very similar claustrophobic vibes as that scene where Sheen freezes up. He kinda redeemed himself later in the final battle, plus he nailed Barnes too.
just remind taylor about the safety on the claymores
Junior fell asleep. It was Junior's watch. Taylor woke up and somewhat saved the day.
What episode is this from
Old story I got told from a vet in the Pacific about how he was having to hide in a bush about 3 meters from the enemy. with his comrade begging for his life until the enemy be headed him! He said that they could almost hear his heart beating through his chest!
Noone walked down the middle of a running stream! They were full of crocodiles!
This show doesn't get the respect it deserves I think its every bit as good as band of brothers
I think part of it is the segmented storyline. Personally I liked it but I can see why people prefer the story of a company as the Single focus.
That’s the exact same river where private Witt dies in “the thin red line”
20 rounds in a Tommy gun like that, 4 Imperial Japanese troops on patrol, 5 rounds for each body. Perfectly executed; I guess Leckie got lucky !!
i think it's 30 round
@@khuongnguyenduc7569 No. 20.
If this was '42, he might have had a 30-round magazine. But it looked like a 20-rounder to me.
@@The_OneManCrowd Yes. 20.
@@JossWainwrightMe. Stupid.
The lead man ate that first burst.
I know its Hollywood but I seriously doubt Leckie and his squad would exfill sloshing down a creek making all that noise after Leck's ambush.
Very nice mini series though.
you can stop doubting and read Leckie's and Sledge's books instead, maybe that could prevent you from throwing another _"muh, Hollywood"_ stupid tantrum every time you see an scene from this series
@@predatorjunglehunter7332 noone listens to lames with ICarly kid video on their channel with a tank on their banner and and a predator as a profile GIF. Borderline chomo profile.m
@@epramos6800 someone sounds pissed, what's the matter honey? you ran out of tortillas? your family got deported? did you lose your job as gardener?
@@predatorjunglehunter7332 why u want to apply? Yr the one with Spanish language uploads lame.
Everything I have is in English.
@@epramos6800 you sure everything you have is in english, RAMOS? I'm not the one who sold his ass to uncle sam in order to get a citizenship...
I never realized M1A1s had 35 round magazines!!
That should have earned him a medal.
You're right, he should have gone straight to the medal office, picked it up, then gone to warn the rest of his unit
Never felt the commraderie in
" the pacific" as I did in BOB.
Marines are built different
0:56 tree start speaking japanese