A couple of years ago, I got to meet an old marine who was selling his book at a Gun Show. Even though he was in his 90's he looked several decades younger. We talked and I bought a hard back copy of his book. The book's name was called, "Islands of the Damned" and he signed it. He passed away last year. His name was RV Burgin. In this series, the "Pacific" he was Eugene Sledges's sargeant. He was known as Burgie.
@@stabbyjack6658 I really wanted to see him again. I was hoping he would go to another Gun Show but he didn't. I think his health began to fail and prevented him to. I had so many questions to ask him. Yeah...he was a hero for sure.
In the book of Helmet for My Pillow, Robert Leckie wrote how in this exact moment, when they were told that everyone back home knew what they had done in Guadacanal, they cried. They were so moved due to the fact that for months, they thought that they were completely forgotten and unacknowledged back home. They, were not forgotten, They will be rememered. Always.
I just read the book and I wondered why they didn't include that in this scene. Some of their choices about which real events to leave out, and the addition of things that didn't happen, made little sense.
@@Amero2323 Jesus Christ you just reminded me of how pissed I was after they cut the scene where the old woman Sledge was trying to help got shot right after he left the house. Completely missed the point of that whole scene, and in a TV show that's clearly trying to push a "war is hell" narrative.
@@kevincho742 they cut that scene? Didn't they have Sledge standing outside when he hears a gun go off, implying that the woman was shot? I could be wrong Kevin, my memory ain't what she used to be! Merry Christmas.
That’s beautiful Yohan. My grandfather was at Guadalcanal, lost a finger and got shot in the buttocks (just like Forest Gump lol). This scene ALWAYS makes me cry. That navy kid is a great actor, and telling the boys they’re hero’s just makes me breakdown every time.
the importance of this scene is that they had felt forgotten on the island, and that no one knew or cared about what they were going through. Then, they find out that just the opposite was true. As a veteran myself, I can honestly say that is a feeling that can make a huge difference to you about what you did and endured.
There's no comparison between WWII and the scumbag mercenaries committing war crimes and invading countries today. Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria are just examples of Americas failed empire of stupid.
I'd say there is. You think the average American 18 year old knows or understands that complicated mess of American politics and war? All I've ever heard aspiring members of our military say at that age is that they want to serve their country, fight its enemies for the freedom they believe in, and get tons of pussy. Can't call them scumbag mercenaries if that's their goal.
I wonder if they ever felt that way. I mean it's hard to see yourself a hero when you know what you had to do bo became one in others eyes. I do not judge them, it's not my place to do so. They witnessed horrors beyond imagining and were put in situation where morality need to be silenced. Where good and evil is just impossible to point out. I pity them. I pity every single soldier who had to go to war, doesn't matter if allied or not. Because every soldier is a human being and deserver to be treated as such.
This is one of those moments in a production like this where the casting of a very minor character is very important. The actor in this scene is flawless.
It's a whole year since your comment but time doesn't matter a bit here--struck me the same way, tragedy, home (coffee), connection, return, memory, survival, exultation.
@@tonybarnes3858 these four, especially Leckie who is savoring his coffee like you said, are not minor characters. Leckie is actually the main character from this arc of the show.
It is important to note that most of those Marines who fought their way across the Pacific Ocean were young kids. Yes, they had outstanding leadership by officers and NCO's but it was those 17, 18, 19 year old kids who led the Marines. Yes, they started out as kids but they all quickly became men.
Less than one year ago I was pulling out of the supermarket and I saw a minivan with a front license plate frame that read "Iwo Jima Marine". No handicap plate. The guy parked and walked in still with some deliberation in his step. I so wanted to get out of my car and shake his hand or something, but I didn't want to bother him.
Actually ... one of the problems the Marines had on Guadalcanal - was that there were a lot of the old salts from the banana wars and such - that were too old and couldn't take it. The young kids were resilient enough but the older guys ended up getting sent home on medicals. They lasted long enough though to pass on some of their experience and for the kids to learn some things before they had to take over. .
@@zang9147 I remember a story from Hurricane Katrina about an old WW2 Marine who heard the storm was coming and started walking. He walked all the way to Baton Rouge (think that's where he went). When he got there someone asked how he did that at his age. He just said his old marine training kicked and he kept moving. Greatest god damn generation.
Im a 32 year old grown ass man who has watched this show more times than I can count and I still tear up every single time I see this scene. Powerful, powerful stuff right here.
My father was a GUNNY when he left the marine corps in 1945. Spent 39 months in the pacific theater. GUADALCANAL, PELLILU, TARWA, TINNINIAN, SHOT ON SAIPAN, MY HERO MY FATHER. My brother followed him in the corps from 68 to 72, me just after Saigon fell, my son in law and now my grandson who has a year in the corps. All MARINES who are grateful to anyone who has ever put on a uniform. THANKS VETERANS.
Outstanding post sir appreciate you telling that story Mr. Royer as the son of a Canadian USMC Vietnam veteran who served in the 1st Marine Division from 67-70 Semper Fi.
An excellent post and Welcome Home to all those Marines. My Family is Army with service of cousins, uncles, grand fathers, great grand fathers, great great grand fathers and very distant cousins stretching back to the pequot war against the indians and the french and indian war via the Connecticut Colonial Militia of the 1630s. Thank you to our Brother Marines.
@@jephrokimbo9050 my uncles served in the navy durinf wwii, one a puolet yhe other transporting munitions and supplies to combat ships. My father-in-law served in north africa and the european theatres in the army. Thank-you to you r families for many generations of military service.
This men and also the men who servid in Europe wil be non forgotten hero s !! Sorry if my Englisch is not correct. But this from a verry thankfull Europian. RESPECT for al that brave young men!!!
My great uncle was a Navy gun operator at Iwo Jima, he saw the battle take place, and he just said prayers for the Marines ashore fighting it. My Grandfather was a Marine, though he couldn't fight, he was really good with machines like cars stuff, and he wanted to fight, but the Marine Corps put him in aviation maintenance working on Corsairs, a few years ago we met a USMC ww2 pilot who was certain my Grandfather fixed his plane, he was really cool to talk too. To all veterans, I solute you, and you are ALL heroes, and will never be forgotten, and one day I wish to join you in America's armed forces.
They earned the title "greatest generation"... Took my Dad 2 and a half days walking to get to the nearest recruitment station to join the Navy. He survived the sinking of the USS Porter during the Guadalcanal invasion and the USS Spence during Typhoon Cobra. THEY FUCKING EARNED IT!
Your dad was a stud! I can’t even imagine the hell that he went through. I really appreciate all that your dad sacrificed for all of us in America, we can never repay that debt. Thank you for sharing!
@@kingarthur8616 They thought they raised their kids right by spoiling them, but all they ended up doing was creating a generation of self-absorbed assholes.
One small detail I liked about this scene was the way Leckie immediately grabs the freshly made coffee and lifts the mug up to his face and takes a little sip despite it likely being burning hot, then showing a little bit of pain on his face after the sip. After the misery he endured its like he's desperate to get a small measure of relief, not even thinking about the heat after all he's been through. Great acting.
My father...Gerald Authur Egelstad served with the first Marine Division on Peleliu and Okinawa, 1943 to 46 and again during Korea with the Cold Weather Battalion. He spent 16 days on Peleliu before being shot in the shoulder. He recovered and was in time for the invasion of Okinawa and lasted 31 days there before being shot in the chest. Reading "With the Old Breed" and all the other books I am sure you all have read as well really made me realize how and what my father saw and experienced. "The Pacific" was an incredible eye opening experience to see as well. My mom said he would never talk to anyone about it ...not even to her. But when he would sit with his older brother Gail who receive the Silver Star in the South Pacific he would talk for hours. I was fortunate to go to an air show in Wa State when I was in my early 20s and met Pappy Boyington of the Ba Ba Black Sheep fame. I bought his book signed....actually have a photograph of him signing it. It was an honor to meet him and shake his hand as well.
As a Marine I have to say that I love how our Navy always, and I mean always, has that orchestra playing in the background on board every single ship. ;-)
It's at least some comfort to these men knowing their efforts were at least appreciated back home. 20 years later with Vietnam they didn't get any heroes welcome which made their transition even more difficult to bear.
North Vietnam actually started that war... of course it didn't become American business until the Americans decided it to be so. It's a philosophical question... If you attack a country, and another country that isn't threatened by you but hates your guts anyway steps in, are you the aggressor or is the foreigner the aggressor?
Well we didn't start the war, until the US-China-French start this bullshit accord that they want to set up the buffer zone of South Vietnam. Please learn straight and don't fall for propaganda. US supports NVA when they fight the French
I don't think a soldier who gets drafted and sent to Vietnam really had a choice over whether he was 'offending'. One vet told me he was going home and some hippie threw a bag of shit all over his uniform. He said he re-upped that day. Seems the only people who 'understood' were his fellows back in Vietnam. Many served 3 or 4 tours just because no one wanted or cared to understand in their own homeland. 'Transitioning' during the Vietnam era consisted of one day shooting an M60 until the barrel grew red hot then walking down the street in civvies the next.
@@royals312 I think it was _precisely_ the actor who played the cook that actually made this scene as powerful as it is. Excellent casting in my opinion.
just because he's in the kitchen the Navy took alot of losses also we all have a job to do to contribute to the effort the greater good respect all there service
Very true. It's a little known fact that for every Marine or Soldier killed on the ground during the Guadalcanal campaign, 3 Sailors were killed in the naval battles.
My mom's uncle was a barber in WWI. My mom never met him. She said he died during the war, but I checked and the records say he survived. Who knows what killed him before my Mom was born around 1930.
There was a reason the body of water off Guadalcanal was known as Iron Bottom Sound ... The Americans and the Japanese EACH lost over twenty ships in that campaign. .
My dad was 17 when he left Guadalcanal. His stomach shrank from not having much to eat and he slept in the mud a lot. He was busted once for fishing with hand grenades. He only spent a month in combat on Guadalcanal but went to Wellington, New Zealand with malaria and jungle rot. He could name a dozen tropical diseases that men caught on that stinking island.
Malaria ,dysentery , was the most common, malnutrition, tuberculosis, etc due to lack of food.worms ,hepatitis such sicknesses was disregarded by guerillas .lack of guts was the worse so they say. Salute to those men.
I'll bet that your father has been in combat far more than he let on. I can say that because combat veterans, the real deal, when they're asked about their service, they downplay what they went through, some will flat out lie. In addition, when someone asks those men about their sevice, they will deflect the question by telling some harmless, funny story about what they did - like fishing with grenades. The combat veteran who does not talk about it is real. The person who freely talks about combat is full of shit.
Just holding that clean, white cup is a luxury not available on the island. Probably the first cup they seen in months apart from their canteen cup. Plus hot coffee, proper table and bench, no one shooting at them= heaven
@@pedalingthru2719 Ironically - the fact that most sailors on a ship did cross duty is one of the reason's the USN was so successful against the Japanese - the IJN had a strict hierarchy but also a strict definition of duties so when certain crew members were lost - their experience couldn't be replicated or replaced.
@@vortega472 I hear Damage Control was one of those fields where only select people were trained. That bit them in ass hard when battle damage took out the trained guys.
"you're heroes back home".... as are you, sir.... Most military roles in the second world war were not front line, but they were all essential. As the old song goes "bless 'em all..."
Especially considering he was a ship sailor in WW2... Absolutely nothing like today, knowing one kamikaze attack or bombing can drown thousands of men in minutes to hours, and having to do your job regardless in the hopes you can stop that from happening. 29 ships were sunk in the Guadalcanal campaign as well, and 683 aircraft shot down.
@@unitedstatesofamerica9948 One of the transports that brought these marines to Guadalcanal got sunk with heavy loss of life. I think it was Leckie that mentioned it in "A Helmet for my Pillow". He had befriended one of the sailors and found out later that he had died. In WW2, there was nowhere to hide. All had to fight and/or be exposed to the enemy. As the war dragged on, the Navy's casualties were just as high as the Marines or even higher. Even this cook was a hero in my opinion. See how tired he was. And as you say, all it would take was a kamikaze to ruin his day. They knew it.
I knew a man who fought there. I should have thanked him more! Watching this almost brings me to tears. I am so proud to have known him and SO thankful for what he and others like him did for this country!
@@robertmorris8997 Let's summarise: Jimmy said: "They are thinking all the heroes died at Guadalcanal." You said: "No, not all of them, since many heroes survived that battle also." I said: "EVERYONE who fought there, whether dead or alive, is a hero." You don't have to be a John Basilone to be a hero.
I think the end of the Victory at Sea episode on Guadalcanal put it best "To these men go the honors accorded the Greeks at Themopylae, the Colonials at Valley Forge, the British at Waterloo and now, the Americans at Guadalcanal"
Yes. Interesting. The Marines and regular Army troops that served in securing Guadalcanal not only held out but soundly defeated the Imperial Japanese Army. Strategically, tactically, and logistically Guadalcanal was the turning point in the Pacific in addition to being the very first amphibious landing of US troops in a land campaign. The accomplishment is almost beyond belief that just 7 months after Pearl Harbor the initiative would have shifted in favor of the United States and Australia.
@@Trebor74 yes this is correct however not in offensive roles. Guadalcanal was an American and Aussie show. Brits carried the ball in what was then known as Burma.
I remember in the 80s/90s growing up, my family that were in ww2 didn’t talk about the combat, but I knew enough about what they did, that they were still heroes back home. It takes a lot to be heroes and considered the greatest generation 50 years later still.
This whole scene is a masterpiece. Really hits hard and shows how much misery those guys went through. It’s a great reminder of the cost of freedom we should all be so thankful for and the sacrifices these young men made.
There were five times during this miniseries when it took all I had to keep it together. 1) When Basilone's wife meets his parents. 2) The hunting scene with Sledge and his father 3) When Snafu doesn't wake Sledge to say goodbye 4) Leckie and his dad when Leckie was leaving for war. 5) This scene.
@@tbone1574 Especially knowing he didn't have to go back. No disrespect intended toward Maj. Dick Winters of Band Of Brothers, a true American war hero, but in his own words, "I chose not to go to Korea. I'd had enough of war." Basilone could have said that too, and no one would have said a word, but he went back.
True Story. My uncle James (Jimmie) Cairns was a Marine Corp Machinegunner at Guadalcanal, Bougainville and numerous Islands thereafter all the way to Iwo Jima. Life expectancy? 17 days for a machinegunner I have heard. He stopped making friends bc they no sooner got to the outfit then killed or wounded and gone. He never got a single scratch the whole war and was at the foot of Suribachi watching the flag go up. "Brad I'm the luckiest Marine that ever lived and I don't know why or understand why I was chosen to be this lucky but I am"
I love that mixture in the mimic of Leckie in the end. It's that "feels nice to be appreciated" and "i don't give a single fuck what other's think, i just wanna sleep" in one.
Unfortunately this is what it feels like to be a "hero". Except you feel nothing except pain and loss, because heroes are things created by civilians back home to help them cope with that which they cannot comprehend
Well if we didn't kill them they would have assuredly killed us. So which will you have, the death of your family or the death of those that wish to do you harm?
BlueBoy0316 We couldn't though, they attacked Pearl Harbor, other US military bases, and allied bases in the Pacific, the same time Pearl Harbor was attacked. It was an act of war, and defense of allied bases around Japan was necessary as well, so we went to war.
My sixth grade P.E. coach fought on Guadalcanal with the 1st Marine division but I didn't know that until I saw his obituary in the paper many years late. He certainly never talked about it. He was a very quite, modest man.
Such a touching scene. I served in the Marines 89-93 because of these guys. I read Leckies book Helmet for my pillow in high school. They seemed to me to be the most real Americans.
My Dad served in the Navy during WWII in the Pacific. He was on the islands as a Pharmacist's Mate 2c (like a modern day Corpsman). He saw many dead and horribly wounded marines and sailors. Dad passed six years ago. He never talked much about his experience in the war. I don't think he had the words.
My Great-Grandfather fought in the pacific theater on Guam, he was also being prepped to invade Japan prior to the bomb being dropped. One of the most influential men in my life. To this day he has remained one of my role models and heroes.
There were so many great scenes in this series but this one has to be close to one of the best ones. What many don't know is that more Sailors died at Guadalcanal than Marines. That's why the sound out there is called Iron Bottom Sound. Thanks to all now serving, those who have, and those who will in the future. FLY NAVY!!!
Read Richard Frank's book on Guadalcanal to get a very good understanding of the entire campaign. Incredible story of America's greatest generation. They were all heros and stopped the Japanese after a very tough 6 month campaign. Stod toe to toe with them and out fought them.
The way he grips that cup of coffee is like it's the best he's ever had. I learned to appreciate so much more things after Iraq. But that was almost nothing compared to what these men did. Semper Fi!
Always makes crave a cup of coffee. These poor deprived Marines make it look so good. The ritual of coffee plays an important role a couple different times in the series.
Another veteran.I had a good friend of mine. Who was a Marine on Guadalcanal. He said his inspiration along with others was the Marines at Belleau Wood. In turn the Guadalcanal Marines set the standard of what it would take to defeat the Japanese. From there it went to Chosin to Hue to Khe Sahn. Con Tien Fallujah Marjah so on.
The Marines who fought on Guadalcanal did so in a pre-digital, 24/7 cable news world -- heck, there wan't even television, just radio, newspapers & weekly magazines --- and understandably they felt no one back home knew of the seemingly against-all-odds battle they had fought month after month and won, or of the horrors of battle after battle they had experienced while existing on near starvation rations with their bodies ravaged by disease (Some were so weak that they had to be helped up the cargo nets onto the decks of the transports that would carry them away from the island. This scene revealed that not only did America know of their sacrifices but deeply appreciated them ("You're heroes back home.") as well.
As someone who believes in the afterlife I plan to spend some time shaking the hand of every single soldier who fought and bled for this country. Even those that fought in those quiet unknown and forgotten battles. I figure I'll have some time up there to listen to their story and thank them for what they did. It gives me great joy and something to look forward too.
What’s interesting about this scene (or at least this is how I interpret it) when the marine asks him “heard it from who” he seems to be about ready to argue with the Navy Cook and appears to be struck speechless that their plight has been the news of the entire country for weeks
Ive watched countless docs on the Pacific theater, have read Sledgehammers book twice and Burgins book also and this by far the series ever done. They are the greatest generation. Will never see their kind again.
The sailor appears to not have experienced combat yet. I think he is supposed to represent civilians back at home. Remember how optimistic Chuckler was before the battle.
These were the types of guys from WWII living in our neighborhood in the 1970s. They sought little or no attention, told us how they survived, and wanted us to understand. We were little kids then listening to their stories, and now miss them.
My uncle served on Guadalcanal in the 1st Marine division. Every other man in his unit was killed and he was seriously injured. It took many years for him to even talk about it . Even then, it was only to some of the men in our family.
Being and old Marine who served from 1973 to 1977, knows all about "mess duty," aka KP. When I was an E2 PFC, most of us young Marines had to serve 30 days on mess duty, 430am to 830pm sometimes as late as 1030. Long days, I was wore out, and I was 18 yrs old and in great shape. Yes the Navy Mess Duty Sailor looked tired. Great series from HBO. I have the whole set. I've watched it at least a 100 times. Semper Fi from an old Marine Sergeant.
I agree with USMC Vet 100%, I also was in the USMC from 73 to 77 (Funny coincidence) Mess duty for 30 days was the worst job experience in all of my life. (And I did it twice during my enlistment) I would have gladly traded 30 days of mess duty for another 30 days of Boot Camp in a heartbeat if I could. During one of my Mess Duty experiences I worked in the "Pot Shack" where you clean all the pots and pans used in the mess hall - all by yourself. It was at MCAS Cherry Point North Carolina home of the 2nd Marine Air Wing, so there were a shitload of pots and pans. After a few weeks my feet started to turn color because of being in my soaked boots 16+ hours a day. I don't know if the Marines of today still do mess duty or not, but after my time doing mess duty ANY other job seemed like a piece of cake to me. Still enlisting in the USMC was one of the best decisions I ever made.
The 45 days I spent on Scullery duty as a boot Marine on the USS Kearsarge was by far the worst period of my enlistment, maybe my entire life. 16 hour days washing dishes for 3000 Sailors and Marines 3 meals a day. Only a 30 minute break between meals if we were lucky. No days off. Lost appetite for the ship's food after about of week of being encrusted with it at all times and had to live off snacks from the vending machines and ship store. I was rail thin at the end of it due to the deficient diet and working in a 90 degree room for 16 hours a day. Couldnt even do laundry due to being so exhausted at the end of the day. I preferred living i the mud in afghanistan to that horrible shit.
Really huh.....well where are you lookin? Let me help you realize something I myself only realize in the past few yrs about those you speak of. 2 questions. 1. What was Americas longest war in her history? 2. How many troops that fought for 20 plus yrs were drafted? 1. The war on terror 2. None. Not one soldier that fought in Americas longest war in her history was drafted as they were ALL volunteers. Let that sink in. You were saying?
@@warrenchambers4819 Every generation has bitched about the next generation and accused them of being worthless since the beginning of time. It drives me up the fucking wall and wish we would evolve past that bullshit by now.
@@warrenchambers4819 this generation a bunch pussies war on terror was made Up bullshit propaganda invaded two countries for nothing . both countries never wanted America there.
My Great Grandfather on my mothers side fought at Guadalcanal and was wounded there. By the time he recovered enough to return to service he was sent to Iwo Jima and wounded again.
1st Marine Division and the Navy, stopped the Japanese advance across the Pacific COLD. August 7, 1942, Operation Watch Tower began the Americans first offensive campaign in the Pacific.
october71777 Had they not stopped the Japanese Imperial Army and Navy, then Japan would have set up and fortified an attack base in the Hawaiian islands. From there the California, Oregon and Washington coastline would have been wide open for non stop bombing and eventual invasion.
october71777 don't forget that the Australians were the first allied force to win a battle against the Japanese in the Kokoda track! But indeed, if it weren't for the US navy, and the aircraft carriers which were thankfully left unharmed due to being away from the main Pacific fleet at Hawaii, then The Pacific Ocean would have been dominated by the Japanese and it would've taken years to beat the Japanese
@@Houdini774 it's is highly unlikely that the Japanese would invade the US west coast for they don't have the resources to do so plus the reason why they attack Pearl Harbor is so that they can cripple the US pacific fleet so that they can solidify their Asian territories.
@@theshape3222 It was at Milne Bay, where the Japanese first attempted to land in order to take Port Moresby. The Australian militia forces (Papua New Guinea was mandated Australian territory at that time, so the militia could be deployed there), elements of the 2nd AIF (who were veterans of the North Africa campaign), and a US component defeated the landing. This outcome, and the earlier naval defeat in the Battle Of The Coral Sea which prevented a direct attack on Port Moresby, forced the Japanese to resort to trying to take Port Moresby overland via the Kokoda Track. It didn't go well for the Australians first up, because they had a long supply line over the track, but the situation reversed after falling back and in turn the Japanese had the long supply line, and this helped turned the tide against the Japanese. Incidentally; afterwards, General Blamey nearly got himself shot by veterans of the Kokada Track battle when he effectively accused some of them of "running like scared rabbits".
All the Generals and admirals called it something different:"Operation Shoestring". This battle occurred when our military resources were at their lowest ebb. What they accomplished, with the resources they had, was remarkable.
My father in law was a Marine on Guadalcanal. He was pretty silent over the years but what he spoke about over the years was of some terrible experiences.
Historically, that is true. People knew of Guadalcanal because it was a turning point for the US in the Pacific Theater. Would say this and Midway, for sure.
"You're heroes back home", but chow is still at 1400. After weeks of near starvation, I would think all the ship captains would order their crews to provide chow to arriving Marines. Hot is possible, cold if not.
***** History will show this period as the worst in US History. The nation's healthcare is now enduring the implementation of ICD-10, which is a government mandated monopoly and drives up healthcare costs and is of inferior quality. Affordable Care Act-It's not affordable, does not care, but is an act. Well, 1 out of 3 ain't bad, given the incompetency of this administration. For them it's a success. At least President Jimmy Carter looks good in comparison. If this administration were in office during WWII the Axis probably would have won.
+Absaalookemensch I don't agree with everything you said but I do agree that the ACA is pure garbage. A half measure somewhere in between private coverage and a nationalized health care system ends up having the faults of both and the merits of neither. NATIONALIZE HEALTH CARE NOW!!!! I know that's not gonna happen any time soon because my country has too many people like you.
tripsaplenty I live in the US, but have lived under national healthcare systems. Guess what? The immigration tide is from nations with nationalized systems to nations with private systems. It's about 1,000 to 1 by immigration statistics. So I guess most people don't like national systems. Let some countries have it and those people that like that can immigrate there. But let some countries have free market systems. Why force everyone into the same broken system? If you dislike it so much, move. It's easy. I moved to different countries several times.
Absaalookemensch ??? People who have lived under both systems overwhelmingly support the nationalized system. And the Us should have its representatives vote on whether to have a nationalized system, not decide "well XYZ countries already have it, they can just move!!!" Because ask not what you're country can do for you, but what you can do for your country. I'd much rather make America better than go to another country. Not to mention America is safer that Europe in this time of world tensions.
The people in the US voted, and voted overwhelmingly against nationalized healthcare. Even with massive voter fraud supporting the socialized party, the vote was for freedom. 96% of the US counties voted against socialism and national healthcare. Don't go into a burger joint and demand they only make pizzas when there's a pizza joint next door.
Great scene, great acting. Most people don't understand how difficult it is to "act" while not speaking. These 4 guys nail it, as they did throughout the series (James Badge Dail, Josh Helman, Keith Nobbs, Jacob Pitts). And whoever the guy is who did the talking... great job as well. That was his only scene in the entire series, but how important this scene was.
Coffee the greatest nerves and muscle relaxer created. My Dad was a cook in North Africa, Sicily and Italy during the war and said the first thing Soldiers coming off the front would ask for is coffee and they sometimes used German POWs to wash the pots and pans and the one drink they would ask for was American coffee
Guadalcanal was one of the most important battles during WWII. If it fell the entire pacific war would have been lost. It would have taken enormous resources to get it back. IMO.
A couple of years ago, I got to meet an old marine who was selling his book at a Gun Show. Even though he was in his 90's he looked several decades younger. We talked and I bought a hard back copy of his book. The book's name was called, "Islands of the Damned" and he signed it. He passed away last year. His name was RV Burgin. In this series, the "Pacific" he was Eugene Sledges's sargeant. He was known as Burgie.
No way WOW
That is more than a book - what you've got is an heirloom.
That's awesome that you got to meet RV Burgin
@@stabbyjack6658 I really wanted to see him again. I was hoping he would go to another Gun Show but he didn't. I think his health began to fail and prevented him to. I had so many questions to ask him. Yeah...he was a hero for sure.
His book was my favorite of them all-easy to read and down to earth about his experiences. That’s amazing that you got to meet him.
In the book of Helmet for My Pillow, Robert Leckie wrote how in this exact moment, when they were told that everyone back home knew what they had done in Guadacanal, they cried. They were so moved due to the fact that for months, they thought that they were completely forgotten and unacknowledged back home. They, were not forgotten, They will be rememered. Always.
🙏 Amen!
I just read the book and I wondered why they didn't include that in this scene. Some of their choices about which real events to leave out, and the addition of things that didn't happen, made little sense.
@@Amero2323 Jesus Christ you just reminded me of how pissed I was after they cut the scene where the old woman Sledge was trying to help got shot right after he left the house. Completely missed the point of that whole scene, and in a TV show that's clearly trying to push a "war is hell" narrative.
@@kevincho742 they cut that scene? Didn't they have Sledge standing outside when he hears a gun go off, implying that the woman was shot? I could be wrong Kevin, my memory ain't what she used to be! Merry Christmas.
That’s beautiful Yohan. My grandfather was at Guadalcanal, lost a finger and got shot in the buttocks (just like Forest Gump lol). This scene ALWAYS makes me cry. That navy kid is a great actor, and telling the boys they’re hero’s just makes me breakdown every time.
the importance of this scene is that they had felt forgotten on the island, and that no one knew or cared about what they were going through. Then, they find out that just the opposite was true. As a veteran myself, I can honestly say that is a feeling that can make a huge difference to you about what you did and endured.
Makes two vets now.
Salute.
There's no comparison between WWII and the scumbag mercenaries committing war crimes and invading countries today. Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria are just examples of Americas failed empire of stupid.
I'd say there is. You think the average American 18 year old knows or understands that complicated mess of American politics and war? All I've ever heard aspiring members of our military say at that age is that they want to serve their country, fight its enemies for the freedom they believe in, and get tons of pussy. Can't call them scumbag mercenaries if that's their goal.
@ 2410jrod : make that three , now
"You're heroes back home." 76 years later, you still are. Good work boys.
Hooah!!!! We need these heroes today. God bless and keep safe our troops deployed, home and abroad. Crazy times for our great country.
@Ernest Thomas Really, your pissed because I used the word boys?
@Ernest Thomas Good grief dude...you really are high on yourself aren't ya. Go away
@Ernest Thomas looks like you got triggered lmao
I wonder if they ever felt that way. I mean it's hard to see yourself a hero when you know what you had to do bo became one in others eyes. I do not judge them, it's not my place to do so. They witnessed horrors beyond imagining and were put in situation where morality need to be silenced. Where good and evil is just impossible to point out. I pity them. I pity every single soldier who had to go to war, doesn't matter if allied or not. Because every soldier is a human being and deserver to be treated as such.
This is one of those moments in a production like this where the casting of a very minor character is very important. The actor in this scene is flawless.
It's a whole year since your comment but time doesn't matter a bit here--struck me the same way, tragedy, home (coffee), connection, return, memory, survival, exultation.
I refer to the Marine savoring his coffee, not the cook, though the latter did make the whole scene work.
@@tonybarnes3858 these four, especially Leckie who is savoring his coffee like you said, are not minor characters. Leckie is actually the main character from this arc of the show.
@@MonthManAugust Mauryhan, not I, said he was a minor character. I agreed that he was flawless.
@@tonybarnes3858 Surely OP was talking about the cook!
It is important to note that most of those Marines who fought their way across the Pacific Ocean were young kids. Yes, they had outstanding leadership by officers and NCO's but it was those 17, 18, 19 year old kids who led the Marines. Yes, they started out as kids but they all quickly became men.
Less than one year ago I was pulling out of the supermarket and I saw a minivan with a front license plate frame that read "Iwo Jima Marine". No handicap plate. The guy parked and walked in still with some deliberation in his step. I so wanted to get out of my car and shake his hand or something, but I didn't want to bother him.
Actually ... one of the problems the Marines had on Guadalcanal - was that there were a lot of the old salts from the banana wars and such - that were too old and couldn't take it. The young kids were resilient enough but the older guys ended up getting sent home on medicals. They lasted long enough though to pass on some of their experience and for the kids to learn some things before they had to take over.
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@@BobSmith-dk8nw Nonsense!
@@SaltiDawg2008 Well Dawg - maybe you can still run around like you did when you were 18 - but I sure can't!
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@@zang9147 I remember a story from Hurricane Katrina about an old WW2 Marine who heard the storm was coming and started walking. He walked all the way to Baton Rouge (think that's where he went). When he got there someone asked how he did that at his age. He just said his old marine training kicked and he kept moving. Greatest god damn generation.
Im a 32 year old grown ass man who has watched this show more times than I can count and I still tear up every single time I see this scene. Powerful, powerful stuff right here.
My father was a GUNNY when he left the marine corps in 1945. Spent 39 months in the pacific theater. GUADALCANAL, PELLILU, TARWA, TINNINIAN, SHOT ON SAIPAN, MY HERO MY FATHER. My brother followed him in the corps from 68 to 72, me just after Saigon fell, my son in law and now my grandson who has a year in the corps. All MARINES who are grateful to anyone who has ever put on a uniform. THANKS VETERANS.
Outstanding post sir appreciate you telling that story Mr. Royer as the son of a Canadian USMC Vietnam veteran who served in the 1st Marine Division from 67-70 Semper Fi.
Many thanks for their service my dad was in the Navy.
@@TRockett55IRISH thank- you so much for your service, and we love our Canadian brothers.
An excellent post and Welcome Home to all those Marines. My Family is Army with service of cousins, uncles, grand fathers, great grand fathers, great great grand fathers and very distant cousins stretching back to the pequot war against the indians and the french and indian war via the Connecticut Colonial Militia of the 1630s. Thank you to our Brother Marines.
@@jephrokimbo9050 my uncles served in the navy durinf wwii, one a puolet yhe other transporting munitions and supplies to combat ships. My father-in-law served in north africa and the european theatres in the army. Thank-you to you
r families for many generations of military service.
They are hero’s STILL today. 😢
Rocdog! Amen
This men and also the men who servid in Europe wil be non forgotten hero s !! Sorry if my Englisch is not correct. But this from a verry thankfull Europian. RESPECT for al that brave young men!!!
Westland4ever Westland4ever My Grandfather landed 3rd Wave Omaha Beach with the 29th infantry div.
GOD BLESS
They are actors... in a terrible show.
My great uncle was a Navy gun operator at Iwo Jima, he saw the battle take place, and he just said prayers for the Marines ashore fighting it. My Grandfather was a Marine, though he couldn't fight, he was really good with machines like cars stuff, and he wanted to fight, but the Marine Corps put him in aviation maintenance working on Corsairs, a few years ago we met a USMC ww2 pilot who was certain my Grandfather fixed his plane, he was really cool to talk too.
To all veterans, I solute you, and you are ALL heroes, and will never be forgotten, and one day I wish to join you in America's armed forces.
They earned the title "greatest generation"...
Took my Dad 2 and a half days walking to get to the nearest recruitment station to join the Navy. He survived the sinking of the USS Porter during the Guadalcanal invasion and the USS Spence during Typhoon Cobra.
THEY FUCKING EARNED IT!
Your dad was a stud! I can’t even imagine the hell that he went through. I really appreciate all that your dad sacrificed for all of us in America, we can never repay that debt. Thank you for sharing!
Congrats. My grandfather also served in the pacific but came back an abusive fuck and a dickhead
They failed the most important thing though, and that was raising the next generation of Americans properly.
@@kingarthur8616 You are 100% prime cut douche bag.
@@kingarthur8616 They thought they raised their kids right by spoiling them, but all they ended up doing was creating a generation of self-absorbed assholes.
One small detail I liked about this scene was the way Leckie immediately grabs the freshly made coffee and lifts the mug up to his face and takes a little sip despite it likely being burning hot, then showing a little bit of pain on his face after the sip. After the misery he endured its like he's desperate to get a small measure of relief, not even thinking about the heat after all he's been through. Great acting.
My father...Gerald Authur Egelstad served with the first Marine Division on Peleliu and Okinawa, 1943 to 46 and again during Korea with the Cold Weather Battalion. He spent 16 days on Peleliu before being shot in the shoulder. He recovered and was in time for the invasion of Okinawa and lasted 31 days there before being shot in the chest. Reading "With the Old Breed" and all the other books I am sure you all have read as well really made me realize how and what my father saw and experienced. "The Pacific" was an incredible eye opening experience to see as well. My mom said he would never talk to anyone about it ...not even to her. But when he would sit with his older brother Gail who receive the Silver Star in the South Pacific he would talk for hours. I was fortunate to go to an air show in Wa State when I was in my early 20s and met Pappy Boyington of the Ba Ba Black Sheep fame. I bought his book signed....actually have a photograph of him signing it. It was an honor to meet him and shake his hand as well.
Amazing story..
Very glad they both made it home..
As a Marine I have to say that I love how our Navy always, and I mean always, has that orchestra playing in the background on board every single ship. ;-)
all part of the transportation service ...
That’s a real knee slapper.
I truly laughed out loud at that.
Love this scene.
The kitchen guy feels really sorry he cannot do more for these amazing guys.
It's at least some comfort to these men knowing their efforts were at least appreciated back home. 20 years later with Vietnam they didn't get any heroes welcome which made their transition even more difficult to bear.
but in the Vietnam war the Americans were the offenders.
Like the men who went there in 1969-1970 had a choice.
North Vietnam actually started that war... of course it didn't become American business until the Americans decided it to be so.
It's a philosophical question... If you attack a country, and another country that isn't threatened by you but hates your guts anyway steps in, are you the aggressor or is the foreigner the aggressor?
Well we didn't start the war, until the US-China-French start this bullshit accord that they want to set up the buffer zone of South Vietnam. Please learn straight and don't fall for propaganda. US supports NVA when they fight the French
I don't think a soldier who gets drafted and sent to Vietnam really had a choice over whether he was 'offending'. One vet told me he was going home and some hippie threw a bag of shit all over his uniform. He said he re-upped that day. Seems the only people who 'understood' were his fellows back in Vietnam. Many served 3 or 4 tours just because no one wanted or cared to understand in their own homeland. 'Transitioning' during the Vietnam era consisted of one day shooting an M60 until the barrel grew red hot then walking down the street in civvies the next.
Probably one of the most underrated moving scenes of the miniseries. Thanks for posting!
Z Cyl kinda sucks because the cook is such a bad actor
@@royals312 totally disagree, thought he did a great job
@@royals312 I think it was _precisely_ the actor who played the cook that actually made this scene as powerful as it is. Excellent casting in my opinion.
just because he's in the kitchen the Navy took alot of losses also we all have a job to do to contribute to the effort the greater good respect all there service
Very true. It's a little known fact that for every Marine or Soldier killed on the ground during the Guadalcanal campaign, 3 Sailors were killed in the naval battles.
My mom's uncle was a barber in WWI. My mom never met him. She said he died during the war, but I checked and the records say he survived. Who knows what killed him before my Mom was born around 1930.
@@zang9147 My great uncle was a barber on the Arizona. Which pretty much sums up what happened to him.
Red894336643 When I was in, it was called “nut to butt”
There was a reason the body of water off Guadalcanal was known as Iron Bottom Sound ...
The Americans and the Japanese EACH lost over twenty ships in that campaign.
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My dad was 17 when he left Guadalcanal. His stomach shrank from not having much to eat and he slept in the mud a lot. He was busted once for fishing with hand grenades. He only spent a month in combat on Guadalcanal but went to Wellington, New Zealand with malaria and jungle rot. He could name a dozen tropical diseases that men caught on that stinking island.
God bless him
Malaria ,dysentery , was the most common, malnutrition, tuberculosis, etc due to lack of food.worms ,hepatitis such sicknesses was disregarded by guerillas .lack of guts was the worse so they say. Salute to those men.
I'll bet that your father has been in combat far more than he let on.
I can say that because combat veterans, the real deal, when they're asked about their service, they downplay what they went through, some will flat out lie.
In addition, when someone asks those men about their sevice, they will deflect the question by telling some harmless, funny story about what they did - like fishing with grenades.
The combat veteran who does not talk about it is real. The person who freely talks about combat is full of shit.
Thank him for his service. Fishing with hand grenades should’ve got him promotion for classic Marine ingenuity
@@jwesthoff1021 "The person who freely talks about combat is full of shit." Somebody tell that to half of the Navy SEALS!
Man the sound of that coffee being poured into that cup is one of the most soothing sounds those guys most likely have heard in a long, long time!
Just holding that clean, white cup is a luxury not available on the island. Probably the first cup they seen in months apart from their canteen cup. Plus hot coffee, proper table and bench, no one shooting at them= heaven
One of my favorite lines from The Pacific. The 'waiter' said the line perfectly with his soft-spoken voice.
He was not a waiter. He was a mess crank. Every sailor on a ship does 90 days on the mess decks.
@@pedalingthru2719 Ironically - the fact that most sailors on a ship did cross duty is one of the reason's the USN was so successful against the Japanese - the IJN had a strict hierarchy but also a strict definition of duties so when certain crew members were lost - their experience couldn't be replicated or replaced.
@@vortega472 I hear Damage Control was one of those fields where only select people were trained. That bit them in ass hard when battle damage took out the trained guys.
@@1977Yakko In a lot of ways both the IJN and the IJA were their own worst enemies - when they weren't hating on each other.
@@pedalingthru2719 I suppose the OP realised/knows that he's not a waiter waiter. hence the word "waiter" is written with quotes
"you're heroes back home".... as are you, sir....
Most military roles in the second world war were not front line, but they were all essential.
As the old song goes "bless 'em all..."
Especially considering he was a ship sailor in WW2... Absolutely nothing like today, knowing one kamikaze attack or bombing can drown thousands of men in minutes to hours, and having to do your job regardless in the hopes you can stop that from happening. 29 ships were sunk in the Guadalcanal campaign as well, and 683 aircraft shot down.
@@unitedstatesofamerica9948 One of the transports that brought these marines to Guadalcanal got sunk with heavy loss of life. I think it was Leckie that mentioned it in "A Helmet for my Pillow". He had befriended one of the sailors and found out later that he had died. In WW2, there was nowhere to hide. All had to fight and/or be exposed to the enemy. As the war dragged on, the Navy's casualties were just as high as the Marines or even higher. Even this cook was a hero in my opinion. See how tired he was. And as you say, all it would take was a kamikaze to ruin his day. They knew it.
I knew a man who fought there. I should have thanked him more! Watching this almost brings me to tears. I am so proud to have known him and SO thankful for what he and others like him did for this country!
They're probably thinking; all the heroes died at guadalcanal.
John Basilone didn't. Chesty Puller didn't. There are a whole bunch more that didn't also. So not all.
@@robertmorris8997 Every US soldier whether dead or alive, where a MoH recipient or a f*cking cook is a hero if he fought at Guadalcanal.
@@generalripper7528 But you "f*cking" missed the point, not ALL the heroes died at Guadalcanal.
@@robertmorris8997 Let's summarise: Jimmy said: "They are thinking all the heroes died at Guadalcanal." You said: "No, not all of them, since many heroes survived that battle also." I said: "EVERYONE who fought there, whether dead or alive, is a hero." You don't have to be a John Basilone to be a hero.
@@robertmorris8997 Basilone survived, until Iwo Jima anyways.
I think the end of the Victory at Sea episode on Guadalcanal put it best "To these men go the honors accorded the Greeks at Themopylae, the Colonials at Valley Forge, the British at Waterloo and now, the Americans at Guadalcanal"
Yes. Interesting. The Marines and regular Army troops that served in securing Guadalcanal not only held out but soundly defeated the Imperial Japanese Army. Strategically, tactically, and logistically Guadalcanal was the turning point in the Pacific in addition to being the very first amphibious landing of US troops in a land campaign. The accomplishment is almost beyond belief that just 7 months after Pearl Harbor the initiative would have shifted in favor of the United States and Australia.
@@counciousstreamforgetting the Brits fought in the Pacific,too.
@@Trebor74 yes this is correct however not in offensive roles. Guadalcanal was an American and Aussie show. Brits carried the ball in what was then known as Burma.
I remember in the 80s/90s growing up, my family that were in ww2 didn’t talk about the combat, but I knew enough about what they did, that they were still heroes back home. It takes a lot to be heroes and considered the greatest generation 50 years later still.
This whole scene is a masterpiece. Really hits hard and shows how much misery those guys went through. It’s a great reminder of the cost of freedom we should all be so thankful for and the sacrifices these young men made.
I think this is a very moving and powerful scene one of the best moments of the miniseries
They had not been forgotten by their country
Scene always gives me goosebumps.
There were five times during this miniseries when it took all I had to keep it together. 1) When Basilone's wife meets his parents. 2) The hunting scene with Sledge and his father 3) When Snafu doesn't wake Sledge to say goodbye 4) Leckie and his dad when Leckie was leaving for war. 5) This scene.
Semper Fi.
The scene that really gets to me is when Basilone gets killed. To this day I have rough time watching it.
@@tbone1574 Especially knowing he didn't have to go back. No disrespect intended toward Maj. Dick Winters of Band Of Brothers, a true American war hero, but in his own words, "I chose not to go to Korea. I'd had enough of war." Basilone could have said that too, and no one would have said a word, but he went back.
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Yep..
True Story. My uncle James (Jimmie) Cairns was a Marine Corp Machinegunner at Guadalcanal, Bougainville and numerous Islands thereafter all the way to Iwo Jima. Life expectancy? 17 days for a machinegunner I have heard. He stopped making friends bc they no sooner got to the outfit then killed or wounded and gone. He never got a single scratch the whole war and was at the foot of Suribachi watching the flag go up. "Brad I'm the luckiest Marine that ever lived and I don't know why or understand why I was chosen to be this lucky but I am"
"You're Heroes back home."
That gets me everytime 🤧😭
this scene was so good because they had felt abandoned and forgotten. Then they find out, they never were, especially not forgotten.
Men like these saved our country. They make me so proud to be a Marine. Please do not forget our vets and military. Semper Fi (USMC 1973 - 1977)
Respect.
Amen.
My Gentle Pitt Bull SEMPER FI! From an Air Force Gulf War Veteran.
Seán O'Nilbud Is that an attempt at an insult or is that what you call your “boyfriend”
Semper Fi
And still Heroes today. R.I.P. Jarheads from every conflict.
greasegun49 never forgoten heroes! Also there brothers who liberated Europe! Thank you! From a verry thankfull Europian !
We salute them
AMEN.............
@Max Damage no oil in Japan and Germany infact thats what they wanted so I guess protecting oil this time.
@Max Damage wrong Era dude.
I love that mixture in the mimic of Leckie in the end. It's that "feels nice to be appreciated" and "i don't give a single fuck what other's think, i just wanna sleep" in one.
This is one of the best scenes of the entire movie. In fact, one of the best in the entire genre.
Unfortunately this is what it feels like to be a "hero". Except you feel nothing except pain and loss, because heroes are things created by civilians back home to help them cope with that which they cannot comprehend
no its a part of the press and propaganda to motivate young boys to pick up guns and kill people
Well if we didn't kill them they would have assuredly killed us. So which will you have, the death of your family or the death of those that wish to do you harm?
Should we have just left Japan alone?
BlueBoy0316 Yes
BlueBoy0316 We couldn't though, they attacked Pearl Harbor, other US military bases, and allied bases in the Pacific, the same time Pearl Harbor was attacked. It was an act of war, and defense of allied bases around Japan was necessary as well, so we went to war.
It’s been a long time but I remember the navy always treated us well when we came back aboard ship. Hot chow no matter what time it was.
My sixth grade P.E. coach fought on Guadalcanal with the 1st Marine division but I didn't know that until I saw his obituary in the paper many years late. He certainly never talked about it. He was a very quite, modest man.
Such a touching scene. I served in the Marines 89-93 because of these guys. I read Leckies book Helmet for my pillow in high school. They seemed to me to be the most real Americans.
My Dad served in the Navy during WWII in the Pacific. He was on the islands as a Pharmacist's Mate 2c (like a modern day Corpsman). He saw many dead and horribly wounded marines and sailors. Dad passed six years ago. He never talked much about his experience in the war. I don't think he had the words.
My Great-Grandfather fought in the pacific theater on Guam, he was also being prepped to invade Japan prior to the bomb being dropped. One of the most influential men in my life. To this day he has remained one of my role models and heroes.
I'm watching these again after 8yrs...still a superb watch
One of the most memorable scenes of the Pacific.
As a veteran who is the son of a WW2 vet & the nephew of several more of that Greatest Generation my heartfelt thanks to all of that generation.
There were so many great scenes in this series but this one has to be close to one of the best ones. What many don't know is that more Sailors died at Guadalcanal than Marines. That's why the sound out there is called Iron Bottom Sound. Thanks to all now serving, those who have, and those who will in the future. FLY NAVY!!!
Read Richard Frank's book on Guadalcanal to get a very good understanding of the entire campaign. Incredible story of America's greatest generation. They were all heros and stopped the Japanese after a very tough 6 month campaign. Stod toe to toe with them and out fought them.
The way he grips that cup of coffee is like it's the best he's ever had. I learned to appreciate so much more things after Iraq. But that was almost nothing compared to what these men did. Semper Fi!
I've read his book, what a vivid picture of battle in the Pacific
Tom Steven and everyone who worked on this and BoB did a fantastic job. I will admit that I go back to BoB more than The Pacific but both are amazing.
That's one thing I really liked about this series. Attention to detail. Here, they got the coffee cups right.
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Always makes crave a cup of coffee. These poor deprived Marines make it look so good. The ritual of coffee plays an important role a couple different times in the series.
One of the best scenes in the entire series. So much said with so few words. Excellent stuff
Our Nation's Heros, always and forever.
Another veteran.I had a good friend of mine. Who was a Marine on Guadalcanal. He said his inspiration along with others was
the Marines at Belleau Wood. In turn the Guadalcanal Marines set the standard of what it would take to defeat the Japanese. From there it went to Chosin to Hue to Khe Sahn. Con Tien Fallujah Marjah so on.
The Marines who fought on Guadalcanal did so in a pre-digital, 24/7 cable news world -- heck, there wan't even television, just radio, newspapers & weekly magazines --- and understandably they felt no one back home knew of the seemingly against-all-odds battle they had fought month after month and won, or of the horrors of battle after battle they had experienced while existing on near starvation rations with their bodies ravaged by disease (Some were so weak that they had to be helped up the cargo nets onto the decks of the transports that would carry them away from the island. This scene revealed that not only did America know of their sacrifices but deeply appreciated them ("You're heroes back home.") as well.
My father was a gunnery sargent when he got out in December 1945, and I can't imagine the hell he went through. The documentaries are incredible.
As someone who believes in the afterlife I plan to spend some time shaking the hand of every single soldier who fought and bled for this country. Even those that fought in those quiet unknown and forgotten battles. I figure I'll have some time up there to listen to their story and thank them for what they did. It gives me great joy and something to look forward too.
You convinced me to look forward to the same. Semper Fi
What’s interesting about this scene (or at least this is how I interpret it) when the marine asks him “heard it from who” he seems to be about ready to argue with the Navy Cook and appears to be struck speechless that their plight has been the news of the entire country for weeks
Ive watched countless docs on the Pacific theater, have read Sledgehammers book twice and Burgins book also and this by far the series ever done. They are the greatest generation. Will never see their kind again.
MANY THANKS TO EVERYONE FOR THEIR SERVICE...ALL TIMES/ALL AGES.
GIVES ME CHILLS EVERYTIME!!! NEVER FORGET!!!
Just an outstanding scene .
2 minutes. Boom. Powerful scene sez so much more. Sums up the 9 hours prior leading up to this
"So how bad was it?'
Sailor, look at what's left of their uniforms. What do you think?!
Now, now.
Dang Russ'pickers
The sailor appears to not have experienced combat yet. I think he is supposed to represent civilians back at home. Remember how optimistic Chuckler was before the battle.
These were the types of guys from WWII living in our neighborhood in the 1970s. They sought little or no attention, told us how they survived, and wanted us to understand. We were little kids then listening to their stories, and now miss them.
Each of them just has that thousand yard stare when they are sitting at the table. The emotional trauma of war :(
My uncle served on Guadalcanal in the 1st Marine division. Every other man in his unit was killed and he was seriously injured. It took many years for him to even talk about it . Even then, it was only to some of the men in our family.
I love how the KP dude sounds almost as worn out as they do. "Coffee? Shit, I can get you guys some coffee."
Being and old Marine who served from 1973 to 1977, knows all about "mess duty," aka KP. When I was an E2 PFC, most of us young Marines had to serve 30 days on mess duty, 430am to 830pm sometimes as late as 1030. Long days, I was wore out, and I was 18 yrs old and in great shape. Yes the Navy Mess Duty Sailor looked tired. Great series from HBO. I have the whole set. I've watched it at least a 100 times. Semper Fi from an old Marine Sergeant.
What we now call "culinary specialist " was and is a work-your-butt-off rating.
I agree with USMC Vet 100%, I also was in the USMC from 73 to 77 (Funny coincidence) Mess duty for 30 days was the worst job experience in all of my life. (And I did it twice during my enlistment) I would have gladly traded 30 days of mess duty for another 30 days of Boot Camp in a heartbeat if I could. During one of my Mess Duty experiences I worked in the "Pot Shack" where you clean all the pots and pans used in the mess hall - all by yourself. It was at MCAS Cherry Point North Carolina home of the 2nd Marine Air Wing, so there were a shitload of pots and pans. After a few weeks my feet started to turn color because of being in my soaked boots 16+ hours a day. I don't know if the Marines of today still do mess duty or not, but after my time doing mess duty ANY other job seemed like a piece of cake to me. Still enlisting in the USMC was one of the best decisions I ever made.
The 45 days I spent on Scullery duty as a boot Marine on the USS Kearsarge was by far the worst period of my enlistment, maybe my entire life. 16 hour days washing dishes for 3000 Sailors and Marines 3 meals a day. Only a 30 minute break between meals if we were lucky. No days off. Lost appetite for the ship's food after about of week of being encrusted with it at all times and had to live off snacks from the vending machines and ship store. I was rail thin at the end of it due to the deficient diet and working in a 90 degree room for 16 hours a day. Couldnt even do laundry due to being so exhausted at the end of the day. I preferred living i the mud in afghanistan to that horrible shit.
They will always be heros. Always
These men had so much bravery. You're heros back home!
And they were just kids, with more raw courage and integrity than any one I see in America today.
Really huh.....well where are you lookin? Let me help you realize something I myself only realize in the past few yrs about those you speak of. 2 questions. 1. What was Americas longest war in her history?
2. How many troops that fought for 20 plus yrs were drafted?
1. The war on terror
2. None. Not one soldier that fought in Americas longest war in her history was drafted as they were ALL volunteers.
Let that sink in. You were saying?
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Every generation has bitched about the next generation and accused them of being worthless since the beginning of time. It drives me up the fucking wall and wish we would evolve past that bullshit by now.
@@warrenchambers4819most who foght were 18 to 20s and volunteers
@@warrenchambers4819 this generation a bunch pussies war on terror was made Up bullshit propaganda invaded two countries for nothing . both countries never wanted America there.
My Great Grandfather on my mothers side fought at Guadalcanal and was wounded there. By the time he recovered enough to return to service he was sent to Iwo Jima and wounded again.
1st Marine Division and the Navy, stopped the Japanese advance across the Pacific COLD. August 7, 1942, Operation Watch Tower began the Americans first offensive campaign in the Pacific.
october71777 Had they not stopped the Japanese Imperial Army and Navy, then Japan would have set up and fortified an attack base in the Hawaiian islands. From there the California, Oregon and Washington coastline would have been wide open for non stop bombing and eventual invasion.
october71777 don't forget that the Australians were the first allied force to win a battle against the Japanese in the Kokoda track! But indeed, if it weren't for the US navy, and the aircraft carriers which were thankfully left unharmed due to being away from the main Pacific fleet at Hawaii, then The Pacific Ocean would have been dominated by the Japanese and it would've taken years to beat the Japanese
@@Houdini774 it's is highly unlikely that the Japanese would invade the US west coast for they don't have the resources to do so plus the reason why they attack Pearl Harbor is so that they can cripple the US pacific fleet so that they can solidify their Asian territories.
@@theshape3222 It was at Milne Bay, where the Japanese first attempted to land in order to take Port Moresby. The Australian militia forces (Papua New Guinea was mandated Australian territory at that time, so the militia could be deployed there), elements of the 2nd AIF (who were veterans of the North Africa campaign), and a US component defeated the landing. This outcome, and the earlier naval defeat in the Battle Of The Coral Sea which prevented a direct attack on Port Moresby, forced the Japanese to resort to trying to take Port Moresby overland via the Kokoda Track. It didn't go well for the Australians first up, because they had a long supply line over the track, but the situation reversed after falling back and in turn the Japanese had the long supply line, and this helped turned the tide against the Japanese. Incidentally; afterwards, General Blamey nearly got himself shot by veterans of the Kokada Track battle when he effectively accused some of them of "running like scared rabbits".
All the Generals and admirals called it something different:"Operation Shoestring". This battle occurred when our military resources were at their lowest ebb. What they accomplished, with the resources they had, was remarkable.
This is one of the most powerful scenes in cinematic history!
My Dad was there.
+TilemanSD Thank your Father for his service for me.
Lorne Malvo
Mental illness cannot be easy for you is it?
It's Lorne Malvo. What isn't ill about him?
OHHH....bad tuff guy? These men everybody will remember......you...not so much.
Lorne Malvo fuck your family and the generations to come
My father in law was a Marine on Guadalcanal. He was pretty silent over the years but what he spoke about over the years was of some terrible experiences.
Favourite scene in whole series.
scenes like this make this series so unique better then BOB and others
So proud of these men. We are blessed to have men Ike this willing to sacrifice so much so that we sleep safe at night. Semper Fi my brothers.
This series is every bit as good as “Band of Brothers”. I prefer it because I have always been more interested in the Pacific Theater of ops.
Ironically, all four of them were injured in the Battle of Peleliu and were honorably discharged soon afterward.
Thank you for everything you did for our country you guys are real heroes
They went through hell. Even one marine said "You dont know the true horrors of war until you fight the japanese"
Historically, that is true. People knew of Guadalcanal because it was a turning point for the US in the Pacific Theater. Would say this and Midway, for sure.
"You're heroes back home", but chow is still at 1400.
After weeks of near starvation, I would think all the ship captains would order their crews to provide chow to arriving Marines. Hot is possible, cold if not.
*****
History will show this period as the worst in US History.
The nation's healthcare is now enduring the implementation of ICD-10, which is a government mandated monopoly and drives up healthcare costs and is of inferior quality.
Affordable Care Act-It's not affordable, does not care, but is an act. Well, 1 out of 3 ain't bad, given the incompetency of this administration. For them it's a success.
At least President Jimmy Carter looks good in comparison.
If this administration were in office during WWII the Axis probably would have won.
+Absaalookemensch I don't agree with everything you said but I do agree that the ACA is pure garbage. A half measure somewhere in between private coverage and a nationalized health care system ends up having the faults of both and the merits of neither. NATIONALIZE HEALTH CARE NOW!!!! I know that's not gonna happen any time soon because my country has too many people like you.
tripsaplenty
I live in the US, but have lived under national healthcare systems.
Guess what?
The immigration tide is from nations with nationalized systems to nations with private systems. It's about 1,000 to 1 by immigration statistics. So I guess most people don't like national systems.
Let some countries have it and those people that like that can immigrate there.
But let some countries have free market systems.
Why force everyone into the same broken system?
If you dislike it so much, move. It's easy. I moved to different countries several times.
Absaalookemensch ??? People who have lived under both systems overwhelmingly support the nationalized system. And the Us should have its representatives vote on whether to have a nationalized system, not decide "well XYZ countries already have it, they can just move!!!" Because ask not what you're country can do for you, but what you can do for your country. I'd much rather make America better than go to another country. Not to mention America is safer that Europe in this time of world tensions.
The people in the US voted, and voted overwhelmingly against nationalized healthcare.
Even with massive voter fraud supporting the socialized party, the vote was for freedom.
96% of the US counties voted against socialism and national healthcare.
Don't go into a burger joint and demand they only make pizzas when there's a pizza joint next door.
This series has some excellent acting.
my favorite scene, spine tingling :)
Sends shivers down my spine every time I watch this scene! Thanks to the GREATEST GENERATION!!
“You’re hero’s back home”...........gets me every time 😕
Great scene, great acting. Most people don't understand how difficult it is to "act" while not speaking. These 4 guys nail it, as they did throughout the series (James Badge Dail, Josh Helman, Keith Nobbs, Jacob Pitts). And whoever the guy is who did the talking... great job as well. That was his only scene in the entire series, but how important this scene was.
great scene
Coffee the greatest nerves and muscle relaxer created. My Dad was a cook in North Africa, Sicily and Italy during the war and said the first thing Soldiers coming off the front would ask for is coffee and they sometimes used German POWs to wash the pots and pans and the one drink they would ask for was American coffee
Guadalcanal was one of the most important battles during WWII. If it fell the entire pacific war would have been lost. It would have taken enormous resources to get it back. IMO.
This is a small but great part in the series!
This movie failed to answer one question.....was the coffee any good?
+Dantaroen I'm 100% sure it was, anything hot like that is good.
After eating cold food/horrible food anything will taste good .
Its a show, a miniseries.
true
Well they say in the Marine Corps, the coffee is mighty fine
Looks like muddy water, and tastes like tupentine
its a miniseries
this scene struck a cord & hauntingly stays with me ....seems REAL.
They are still heroes
Heroes that will be remembered as long as this republic stands!! God Bless them all!
This scene never wears out
Amazing how a simple cup of black coffee can up moral. I love every soldier that fought there. They deserve a life of peace.