Announced to my club members I flew at the city park with a plus-250gm foamy equipped with a remote ID module. Out of 70 members I got one thumb up. Fortunately the majority of these guys fly in the countryside at the FRIA field.
I have a question about "for the benefit of others". I'm not a Part 107 flyer. I fly strictly for fun and to look at the world from a different perspective. I was flying my DJI drone at a local park. A woman and her daughter came up to me. She asked me to take a picture of the two of them. I dropped in altitude, took the picture, downloaded it to my phone and emailed it to her. She was delighted, thanked me and left. I didn't know her. No money changed hands. I'll probably never see her again, but I did something for her benefit. Now I realize that any reasonable person would see nothing wrong with what I did, but reasonableness and bureaucracy rarely go together. Where is the line drawn between okay and not okay?
Just the way the world works. Enforcement agencies cannot pursue every violation of every rule. Have you ever exceeded a highway speed limit, yet not receive a ticket?
@@TimMcKay56 Sure, if I'm going 56 in a 55 zone, I am in violation of the law. Most cops don't care. I'm not hurting or bothering anyone so they don't do anything. My question IS, was what I did a violation of the FAR? or is it not? If it is, was that like going 1 MPH over and nobody cares?
Should drone operators contact ATC directly (phone call) to get authorization to fly in controlled air space? I thought submitting LAANC established the ATC coordination and approval.
A nuance, but if you are an FAA licensed pilot as long as you have a current BFR your Part 107 license is also valid. The BFR is a current knowledge substitute for the online test.
As long as your BFR covers: Applicable regulations relating to small unmanned aircraft system rating privileges, limitations, and flight operation; (b) Effects of weather on small unmanned aircraft performance; (c) Small unmanned aircraft loading; (d) Emergency procedures; (e) Crew resource management; (f) Determining the performance of the small unmanned aircraft; (g) Maintenance and preflight inspection procedures; and (h) Operation at night.
It's at least reassuring that recreational flyers have so far not been targeted. In my case, nobody could take a look at my foamies, sub 250 gram, and see anything but a "toy". But you know, it's possible to have lots of fun with a flying toy. Back in the day I had lots of fun with those little Estes RC planes. And now, with all the advanced stability and control features these things have-- the flying is even better. Of, course, I've always got my recreational license and other paperwork with me. As well as current AMA membership, which includes insurance.
Tim you also have no insurance as a 107 unless you purchase business insurance on your own or through AMA. AMA has business insurance now. That is what sucks about 107 is that you will need to prove your status of flight, is it for fun or for business and who is your insure-er.
I wish the FAA was much more clear about monetized video. So I make a 20 minute hiking video. In this video I have two fifteen second fly byes with a drone looking down on the hikers. OK, now.... If I monetize this on a hiking channel, will the FAA have a freaking cow and fine me ??? Thirty seconds of B-roll from a drone. Opinions ????
@@TimMcKay56 sorry but as a rc plane is hardly ever flown above 400 feet because thats too far to see the plane unless you are fpving and i have never flown into an airport for small or large planed that the minimum altitude was below 500feet in small areas like where i live they fly even and odds which means if i go up at 500 the next plane out flies at 600 and so on and so on we flew our rc planes about 1/2 mile right in line with the rumway it doesnt take a rocket scientist to land when you hear a plane coming in for landing never any problems or close calls and thats been over the last 50 years never a problem the faa should only deal with manned aircraft like they use to
As the RID discussion evolves, the issue is with drones and not RC model airplanes. Drones are flown ALL the time over 400 feet AGL (just watch RUclips), as well as controlled airspace violations (see FAA UAS Sightings report). Tim
@@TimMcKay56 Come on Tim, your use of hyperbole is beneath you. "Drones are flown ALL the time over 400 feet AGL" as evidenced by RUclips? You can always find bad actors doing bad things on RUclips, it kind of attracts them. Yes, it happens, but not ALL the time. Yes, someone 'sights' a drone and it gets reported as an 'incident'.
Fair enough. 😁 But as I do more and more research on the RID issue, I cannot escape the fact that fixed wing RC had zero (I repeat, zero) FAA oversight from around 1955 to 2022. The reason? We all stayed out of controlled airspace and within sight of our RC field, for the vast majority of the time. This is simply not the case for drones, as due to their electric motors can be flown anywhere, and with their very high quality cameras the drone folks are incentivized to "go out and explore." Which is what they do, straying into controlled/restricted airspace. A lot. I do see the day where the FAA will segregate fixed wing and drone flights, from a regulatory point of view. This is in essence what a FRIA is . . . and if we can follow the rules on FRIAs (which I think we can do), the concept can be expanded a lot. Tim
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Thanks, good information.
Thanks for checking in! Tim
Announced to my club members I flew at the city park with a plus-250gm foamy equipped with a remote ID module. Out of 70 members I got one thumb up. Fortunately the majority of these guys fly in the countryside at the FRIA field.
Thanks for this update! Tim
69 of them want to do you harm for Not conforming to their View of their world.
I have a question about "for the benefit of others". I'm not a Part 107 flyer. I fly strictly for fun and to look at the world from a different perspective. I was flying my DJI drone at a local park. A woman and her daughter came up to me. She asked me to take a picture of the two of them. I dropped in altitude, took the picture, downloaded it to my phone and emailed it to her. She was delighted, thanked me and left. I didn't know her. No money changed hands. I'll probably never see her again, but I did something for her benefit. Now I realize that any reasonable person would see nothing wrong with what I did, but reasonableness and bureaucracy rarely go together. Where is the line drawn between okay and not okay?
It can be murky, but in this situation I think the FAA has bigger fish to fry. Tim
@@TimMcKay56 So...was what I did actually a violation of the FAR, but it was so trivial no one would care?
Just the way the world works. Enforcement agencies cannot pursue every violation of every rule. Have you ever exceeded a highway speed limit, yet not receive a ticket?
@@TimMcKay56 Sure, if I'm going 56 in a 55 zone, I am in violation of the law. Most cops don't care. I'm not hurting or bothering anyone so they don't do anything. My question IS, was what I did a violation of the FAR? or is it not? If it is, was that like going 1 MPH over and nobody cares?
Only if she uses the photo in a way that yields a pecuniary benefit @@FredHarvey-wp2qy
You should talk about over regulation....and where is the risk assessment for flying a 400 gm rc cessna cub.
Will add to the list.
Should drone operators contact ATC directly (phone call) to get authorization to fly in controlled air space? I thought submitting LAANC established the ATC coordination and approval.
Yes, an approved LAANC request should be your approval to fly in controlled airspace. Tim
Go back and READ the UAS pages at the FAA! Read till you Know.
A nuance, but if you are an FAA licensed pilot as long as you have a current BFR your Part 107 license is also valid. The BFR is a current knowledge substitute for the online test.
Thanks! Tim
As long as your BFR covers:
Applicable regulations relating to small unmanned aircraft system rating privileges, limitations, and flight operation;
(b) Effects of weather on small unmanned aircraft performance;
(c) Small unmanned aircraft loading;
(d) Emergency procedures;
(e) Crew resource management;
(f) Determining the performance of the small unmanned aircraft;
(g) Maintenance and preflight inspection procedures; and
(h) Operation at night.
You take the recurrent FAA refresher every 24 months. Mine comes up in July.
Thanks! Tim
It's at least reassuring that recreational flyers have so far not been targeted. In my case, nobody could take a look at my foamies, sub 250 gram, and see anything but a "toy". But you know, it's possible to have lots of fun with a flying toy. Back in the day I had lots of fun with those little Estes RC planes. And now, with all the advanced stability and control features these things have-- the flying is even better. Of, course, I've always got my recreational license and other paperwork with me. As well as current AMA membership, which includes insurance.
Thanks!
Tim you also have no insurance as a 107 unless you purchase business insurance on your own or through AMA. AMA has business insurance now. That is what sucks about 107 is that you will need to prove your status of flight, is it for fun or for business and who is your insure-er.
Good update, thanks! Tim
I would like a reward for turning in the scofflaws. I'd make _that_ my hobby. 😅
But, soon the government may beat me too it _in every case._
We’ll see! 😊
I wish the FAA was much more clear about monetized video. So I make a 20 minute hiking video. In this video I have two fifteen second fly byes with a drone looking down on the hikers. OK, now.... If I monetize this on a hiking channel, will the FAA have a freaking cow and fine me ??? Thirty seconds of B-roll from a drone.
Opinions ????
Agree, we really need clarification on this important area. Tim
1 second is breaking their rules..
I was considering a drone for recreational use, but the typical over-regulation by the feds [and local gov] have squashed that idea.
Lots of drones out there that weigh less than 250 grams. No registration nor remote ID.
FAA has no business being involved in model aviation for USA being a free country they sure do have many rediculous laws
Actually, they do. Regulating who flies where in the National Airspace System is their job description (otherwise known as “safety”. 😊 Tim
@@TimMcKay56 sorry but as a rc plane is hardly ever flown above 400 feet because thats too far to see the plane unless you are fpving and i have never flown into an airport for small or large planed that the minimum altitude was below 500feet in small areas like where i live they fly even and odds which means if i go up at 500 the next plane out flies at 600 and so on and so on we flew our rc planes about 1/2 mile right in line with the rumway it doesnt take a rocket scientist to land when you hear a plane coming in for landing never any problems or close calls and thats been over the last 50 years never a problem the faa should only deal with manned aircraft like they use to
As the RID discussion evolves, the issue is with drones and not RC model airplanes. Drones are flown ALL the time over 400 feet AGL (just watch RUclips), as well as controlled airspace violations (see FAA UAS Sightings report). Tim
@@TimMcKay56 Come on Tim, your use of hyperbole is beneath you. "Drones are flown ALL the time over 400 feet AGL" as evidenced by RUclips? You can always find bad actors doing bad things on RUclips, it kind of attracts them. Yes, it happens, but not ALL the time. Yes, someone 'sights' a drone and it gets reported as an 'incident'.
Fair enough. 😁 But as I do more and more research on the RID issue, I cannot escape the fact that fixed wing RC had zero (I repeat, zero) FAA oversight from around 1955 to 2022. The reason? We all stayed out of controlled airspace and within sight of our RC field, for the vast majority of the time. This is simply not the case for drones, as due to their electric motors can be flown anywhere, and with their very high quality cameras the drone folks are incentivized to "go out and explore." Which is what they do, straying into controlled/restricted airspace. A lot.
I do see the day where the FAA will segregate fixed wing and drone flights, from a regulatory point of view. This is in essence what a FRIA is . . . and if we can follow the rules on FRIAs (which I think we can do), the concept can be expanded a lot. Tim