When you get your hands on the high speed resin, I'd like you see you try it on one of your older printers as well to see if you can print just as fast without the new printer.
I believe they are only giving to reviewers so they get better results. They don't want you to know that your old printer is just as good. Only a theory but makes sense, time will tell. Of course, Jessy could just test it with standard resin and FEP. Anycubic is doing the same thing. Anycubic is now selling high speed resin.
I just bought a mars 4 ultra and hate doing the screen clean function the most and your trick with using a support to pull it just made it 100x easier!
4:06 Warning: If it's the same as my Saturn 2 (and I'm sure it will be) those are NOT standard USB ports; they just use a USB connector, which Elegoo should not be doing. Those ports output 24V, whereas USB spec is 5V. TL;DR: if you plug anything other than Elegoo air filters into those ports you will immediately fry whatever it is you plugged in.
@@metatechnologist For the resin printers, yes you are locked into using Chitubox. It sucks. But I do all my supports in PrusaSlicer then export the whole thing as an STL into Chitubox. That means you can just use it in a very minimal way to produce a file that the Saturn understands.
Read between the lines … it is impossible to detect any difference between 12k and 8k with the naked eye … I like how Uncle Jessie walked between the truth and his sponsorship by Elegoo… 08:10 True manipulator 👍🏻 Nice printer tho , auto leveling option is a huge plus .
@@jasoncombs3232 I hope so, but dlp and heated vat is more expensive and more complicated to put in than autoleveling or wifi file Transfer. at least 12k and the price is good
I'm a bit bummed that Elegoo removed the Ethernet port from the Saturn 3. I tend to prefer stationary devices be hardwired since... well, they're not going anywhere anyway. Of course, there's nothing wrong with offering Wi-Fi too, but make it like a computer printer and simply allow for Ethernet with Wi-Fi fallback (if desired).
Features: WiFi print status and notifications, Resin low notification and pause, integrated camera, clear front edge of vat for easy viewing of early stage success/fail, cleaner vat drain.
To me it seems like these printers are just become scams to get us to buy more expensive resin because that's what we consume the most. I don't understand why they just don't make larger printers cheaper instead of these small ones that are pumped out like the pace of smart phones with little updates to them.
I kind of agree. Only thing is I won't buy a smart phone every year. Usually get about 4-6 years out of a good phone. So applying that principle you can get a new printer every 3 years maybe and you'll be keeping up to date but not feeling like you should or need to buy every new printer. The resin becoming more pricy even though it appears to just be diluted for the new printers is a bit of a put off I agree.
Same. I'm excited for printers like the emake3d and athena printer since there's so many quality of life changes in those printers and they're big. Just wish those features came down to smaller printers at a more affordable price
i mean thats aways been the scam with computer printers and photo printers. every 3-6 months there was a new printer out that was "the last one youll need" and had the best stats. printers that were 6months to a year old became obsolete and new ink cartridges were the price of a new printer that came with ink. like most industry they would rather you buy a whole new printer that be able to upgrade your current one. They dont care about waste or you wasting money, they just want your money.
I'm a bit disappointed you didn't compare it to the anycubic m5s. In fact, you didn't even mention it despite them being direct competitors. That and the video was sponsored by elegoo. I'm sure it's a great printer but it makes it tough to take your review at face value.
@@UncleJessy we live in an age of wonders. The Saturn 4 is going to be fantastically awesome! (even assuming it's just the best of the M5S and Saturn 3)
so now need to do a side by side of this one and the anycubic M5s, trying to decide what would be the better buy. Bigger build volume vs auto leveling.......
So What do you choose? I still don't know personally, because both sides seems to be not completely honest with customers : Anycubic doesn't show us more about features like force detection, failure detection and diagnosis and for many people their after sale service is just hawful... Elegoo try to sell us a Saturn 2 revamped with the same 12k screen as Anycubic but at a too much higher price and no real videos about print resolution/comparison with 8k or the 150mm/h they promise... And both don't communicate about spare parts prices, so maybe 12k screen costs half the price of the entire machine, we don't know sh*** about it... The more time, the more I think that I will pass on both of the two. 🤔
Look forward to Elegoo releasing an actual next-gen printer with auto-levelling, resin detection, error detection, auto-fill, heater and better leak protection on the top if the FEP get’s a puncture. 12K is nice but everything else about the 3 and the Ultra is basically last gen tech. Look to the Uniformation, the M5S or Athena to see an actual next gen printer. Saturn 3 will be outdated and an improved version released in less than a year. Sadly, Elegoo shot themselves in the foot with their greed - releasing the Standard and Ultra at the same time, proves the Pro/Ultra is no longer about incorporating improvements over time, it’s about charging more for extra features from the start. They’d have been way better to release the 3 with all the current Ultra’s features, and then release a proper Pro/Ultra version in 6 months with actual next gen features. Instead, the whole 3 line will be expired in under a year. Even worse when you consider many buyers won’t be getting theirs till August or September!! I really think Anycubic has won this round, if you go by actual tech released instead of just brand recognition.
Auto-levelling ain't that important. it's basicly something you do once and barely touch it. Auto-fill is gadgety and resin detection i don't really understand (detect what resin you have or if there is resine in the vat ?). Error detection, heater and leak protection on the other hands are something that would make my life easier. I don't know about Uniformation but anycubic has the worst customer service ever. Athena look nice but damn it's expensive (even without the shipping costs)
@@sportyeight7769 Anycubic QC is also garbage for their FDM printers at least. I had hardware failures on both of my fdm printers from them that took a few months to get warranty replacements for. One of the printers had a dead motherboard less than 2 weeks from being unboxed.
Wouldn't it be better to measure speed in number of layers per hour rather than a distance per hour? A thick layer would allow faster speeds, but the quality would really suffer, so it's not a "functional" speed, so may as well not be stated. Or am I missing something here?
And what is the use of 0.05 layer height and 8k resin on a 12k printer? To get the best results you should be close to the pixel size x/y in height in my opinion. I'd like to see which settings are used and try those out on the S2.
i like the design and the features, but I don't think its worth the higher price vs the m5s 399 pricetag / compairing the preorderdeals from both 12k machines. looking forward what phrozen has to offer
I mean the "K" part really doesn't matter, it's about the pixel density. This printer has a 24 um which is pretty dam good but the phrozen Sonic mini 8k has a um of 22. I think only the Mars 4 beats this right now at 19um but it's a smaller screen so do your research
Jeez. I'm remembering when the Saturn was a big deal at its launch starting at 499. HOw far we've come. Also gotta agree with you on the bed screws. I hated how Elegoo did them before and when I got myself a Phrozen Mighty 4K I switched to them because they did that. It's nice not having to worry about the bed swiveling all over the place and being lined up with the vat.
I appreciate your content as always, Jesse and this isnt a slight against you. Its just kinda, icky, to me that one of the main selling points of this printer is the high speeds but it cant be tested because they didnt get the high speed resin out to the ONE person showing of their new printers. And its already up for pre order. 😐
It is called being a shill, unfortunately that's what this is. There is literally no reason to buy this machine over the Mono 5s it costs more and does less. I say that as a Mars 3 pro owner looking to upgrade.
@@kipkulich6042 Do not get the Mono 5s, its one of the worst 12k printers, especially now that its 480 bucks. Everyone I know who got it received it damaged and it constantly fails, plus with all comparisons I've seen has the worse print quality. Get the Prhozen Sonic mini 8ks.
Don’t know for sure but if I had to take a guess, depending on things the time the Saturn two came out or could be that items are getting cheaper to build new items are always more expensive. Just think how much more expensive a 3-D printer was when they came out they were in the thousands to tens of thousands or even more.
hello I do not understand it should be faster than the Anycubic m5s with 150km / h but in your tests the Anycubic seems faster for you who have tested both which is the fastest to print at equal print size ?
The speed of the print on both machines boils down to the new high speed resins both companies are coming out with. If you print on either machine with your standard resins, the prints aren't going to be any faster. Both machines are basically the same, but the Anycubic offers self-leveling and resin runout detection (debatably also failed print detection but apparently that doesn't actually work from what I've seen). I imagine if you used the high speed resins on your current printers, you could still get very fast prints.
The 4 Pro has the interesting segmented bed, where for small models you only heat the center. The Pro is going to 2 months longer to ship to Australia which made my decision easier.
Hi Jessy. At 9:16, you mention using the left-over supports for the vat cleaning function. Can you elaborate? Love your channel! You have the best info on YT.
Any chance Elegoo is going to offer the option to upgrade older 3d resin printers? I just bought a Saturn 8K not even 2 months ago and I would rather upgrade the existing machine than drop money on a new one even though those new machines are really REALLY nice.
i've been hanging fire on a replacement for my original Saturn (really wanted another with network connection), and placed my pre-order for the Saturn 3 Ultra yesterday as soon as it went live - delivery will probably not be until August (UK) - so plenty of time for Chitubox to update with a profile, and for others to see what baseline settings work well with the various resins. so looking forward to the massive uplift in resolution from my original.
They don’t seem like they are manufacturing the Jupiter any longer so no need to make a wash and cure for them. I also have one and just wash it it, invert 180 degrees and wash again.
The price of printers have come down a lot particularly for what you get. The wash and cures are the same price and no better. How the hell is an Anycubic Mono 2 the same price as a WC Plus?
im more worried about all these new printers and no work on a screen upgrade for the jupiter. feels like they've abandoned the people who supported the kickstarter and took a risk on a large new system.
@@dmaikibujin the jupiter was built with upgradability in mind. before it was even shipped they were talking about an upgrade path for adding extra z height, and when their mars 3 came out they offered people refunds since it made the yet to be shipped jupiter obsolete, but they mentioned thay may create a 8k screen upgrade to bring it up to mars quality. so far i havent heard anything about this since
It seems to have the same 19 x 24 um that everyone was crying foul about with the Anycubic. I wonder if these "forbidden" rectangular pixels will become a standard. To be honest, I really like my Elegoo Neptune 3 Max, but the auto-leveling on the Anycubic tipped it to its favor, as leveling has been the bane of my usage for the Neptune 3 Max. There is always some quadrant that doesn't want to adhere well. For both of these printers, I'm curious about "regular" resin usage/
@@UncleJessy Changing my question slightly. Will it be faster to print the same miniature on Elegoo Saturn 3 as compared to Elegoo Mars 3 Pro if I am using the water washable resin?
Try to use 3DMaterials SuperFast Resin in the meantime. This is probably what the Elegoo superfast resin will resemble. Great video, can't wait for more content from this printer.
I'm confused. You said that it has USB for the air purifiers (which I have two of), but the website for Saturn said that this model has a built in air purifier. Did your review model not have one? I'd like to know more about it because I'm not a fan of those little filters. THey don't seem to do a great job on the smellier filaments.
yes it seems to me we are talking about the m5s and the direct competitor ultra saturn 3, each has a different print size but for equal size which is the fastest? they also released a standard version of each the saturn 3 and the M5 the question of speed does not arise but for the m5s and the saturn 3 ultra it is one of the main characteristics put forward I can see the Jessy's test with al saturn 3 at 150km/h compared to his test of the m5s at 105kl/h I have the impression that the m5s is faster in printing however I would have liked to have his opinion.
Please show us some high speed prints to compare it with Anycubic M5S, and give us every price of high speed resin and spare parts for this Saturn 3 : how much for ACF FEP, VAT ( which is a shame with only one corner to pour resin, on the M5S there are four useful corners) And the most important, price for the 12 k screen. Elegoo and Anycubic doesn't communicate about prices which come after we buy the printer, but it really matters... I hope that Elegoo has a card to play with spare parts, because this new Saturn doesn't bring any innovation compared to the M5S. New build plate with 4 screws? Better late than never ! Wi fi? M5S has it ! Carbon filter? Resin fumes are so tiny that they are harmless! What's left? A larger build volume... Maybe it is a little to short Elegoo!😁
You know, the biggest problem I have with Elegoo is they are CONSTANTLY releasing new/improved versions of their printers. I just picked up the Saturn 2 a few months ago and now I feel like it's outdated and I should have waited... but if I had waited, there'd be a Saturn 4 looming on the horizon :D And I was just about to pull the trigger on the Neptune 3!
That's what always happens with new technologies. Home 3d resin printers are still super new technology, look at any tech in history the first 10 years have basically new generations every year or so that change quite significantly. Resin printers are only now starting to reach their slower development stage
It’s a good thing to release models yearly IMO. However, in my case, I run a business with 2 original Saturns and a Saturn 2. Interchangeability of parts (vats, screens, build plates, etc) is important to me, so I’m going to stand pat with what I have for now. I’d possibly consider another Saturn 2 if they drop low enough so I can use my stockpile of S2 parts.
Native 12k (12288 x 6480) is ~80mp, the printer's is ~59mp (11520 x 5120). The diagonal pixel count across 10" is ~12k. However, the total pixel count for the machine is around 58.9K, whereas native 12k is ~79.6k. Elegoo marketing it as 12k is a little disingenuous imo.
Get some epoxy putty to fill that area on the cyborg! The print is perfect otherwise. You can fill the area, smooth with water / iso and then sand when finished. Just need to give the print a quick prime after to make it a uniform color, or paint it 😎
That's why I want a larger size printer. Even the 10" screen is a bit small for Wicked prints. Need something 13"+ and the current offerings each seem to have their own issues.
Made the jump from from creality to elagoo Saturn 8k. I just got it today and seem pretty pleased. I did want this one but couldn’t wait lol. I’ll probably get it in the near future.
Uncle Jessy which printer would you recommend? This new saturn 12 k ultra or the new anycubic photon m5s 12k printer? i want the best details for miniature figures
@@jasperpott6341 the same lcd panel but the light source determines how much detail can be used from the panel, that's why dlp have such good detail. I personally ordered m5s but much cheaper as an early bird. M5s has, above all, a sensor that will detect whether the print has not broken off and does not want to dent in the lcd ... Due to the light, I think that the elegoo will have better detail, but it does not have a sensor, so you need to level the build plate. ellegoo is also taller
Would you share the layer height, exposure time and lift speed that you used with the space grey 8k resin? I usually print minis at 0.03mm layer height, 1.6sec exposure and 40-60 mm/m lift speed, so it takes a long time but the prints are smooth.
what do you think about heated resin vats? I'm not huge into 3d printing, because I suck at it, haha. but I saw another video of a printer that had a heated vat and they thought it helped with having less fails...for some reason.
Hi Jessy! First... thank you for what you do!!! My wife bought me a Saturn 3 (not the Ultra) for Xmas. I'm having lots of support failures. The exposure times seem dialed in well with the Cones of Calibration device and I've always used slower lift speeds for this very reason. I have an Elegoo Mars 3 Pro and I've only had two failures with over 550 hours of printing. However, I keep getting support failures with the Saturn 3 even with tried and true lift speeds and heights... :( ANY RECOMMENDATIONS??? Help me Obi-Jessy... you're my only hope! ;)
I made some super tiny chainmail (3mm outer diamiter rings but I've been testing with sub 2mm) that would be great to demonstrate high res printers with let me know if you want to try it!
I'd like to request a print to see the quality of that printer please. Could you print a Springfield Armory M14 Rifle. If the oval-tangular barrel holes show up at the tip of that gun, I,m sold.
I'm wondering the same thing😂 I'm really curious about that, but can't find any information, it's also the most replayed part of the video, but you are the only one who asked lol
I've figured it out, you place the support in the corner of the vat, use the cleaning function while holding the support there, once complete you can use the support to pull up the now printed resin "slide" instead of using your fingernail to try and dig it up
hi....does the 12K have a pre-drilled hole for exhaust hook up on the back side of the hood like the 8K? If so is it the same size? Would be cool if I could just use the same adapter I have now on my 8K if I were to buy the 12K to replace it.
@@PatchGuilf some say the details pop more. I honestly can’t tell that much one over another. Some of the more expensive resins are more durable / more flexible
Thanks for the amazing video as always. I was about to order my first ever printer and was leaning towards the Saturn 2. Thinking I might pre order the Saturn 3 Ultra now as the price difference isn't huge. I do have a question though. What comes in the box? Is it the same as the Saturn 2? with the filter ect?
just bought one on the strength of your review. I have had elegoo machines since the first Mars came out. The only one i didnt like was the Jupiter (too many design faults). But the Saturn platform is a solid one that has been a joy to use.
When you get your hands on the high speed resin, I'd like you see you try it on one of your older printers as well to see if you can print just as fast without the new printer.
I believe they are only giving to reviewers so they get better results. They don't want you to know that your old printer is just as good. Only a theory but makes sense, time will tell. Of course, Jessy could just test it with standard resin and FEP. Anycubic is doing the same
thing. Anycubic is now selling high speed resin.
I just bought a mars 4 ultra and hate doing the screen clean function the most and your trick with using a support to pull it just made it 100x easier!
Mars 4!!!?
That statue of Cable looks so good! The shield effect is legit!
Thanks for the tip on the clear effect of the resin
10:37 HAHA! A Kriss Vector with a 16+ barrel, with a barrett style brake, chambered in 9mm, outfitted with a scope, RMR, and launcher! LOVE IT HAHAHA.
So glad to see Elegoo go with the 4 bolt system on the build plate. I hope this is something they continue to do going forward
Auto levelling should have been a feature!
4:06 Warning: If it's the same as my Saturn 2 (and I'm sure it will be) those are NOT standard USB ports; they just use a USB connector, which Elegoo should not be doing. Those ports output 24V, whereas USB spec is 5V.
TL;DR: if you plug anything other than Elegoo air filters into those ports you will immediately fry whatever it is you plugged in.
Also are people locked into using the elgoo slicer?? Maybe somebody can clarify that issue!
@@metatechnologist For the resin printers, yes you are locked into using Chitubox. It sucks. But I do all my supports in PrusaSlicer then export the whole thing as an STL into Chitubox. That means you can just use it in a very minimal way to produce a file that the Saturn understands.
Read between the lines … it is impossible to detect any difference between 12k and 8k with the naked eye … I like how Uncle Jessie walked between the truth and his sponsorship by Elegoo… 08:10 True manipulator 👍🏻 Nice printer tho , auto leveling option is a huge plus .
It doesn't have auto leveling though?
Plus no comparison to anycubic m5s
Always talk in microns, the Mars 4 9K is 18 microns.
@@mathewschau9361 from what Ive seen the M5s has the worse printing quality of all the printers out there, I think Phrozens 8k wins.
haha nice job on the intro showing all the printers in the same shot and then seamlessly reaching over to touch the Saturn 3 Ultra.
Needs a self heating vat. Come on Elegoo... 😢
Guess I'll wait for the Saturn 4
I want a dlp printer that size with that heated vat :)))
@@BrickBazooka you hear us Elegoo??? 😁
@@jasoncombs3232 I hope so, but dlp and heated vat is more expensive and more complicated to put in than autoleveling or wifi file Transfer. at least 12k and the price is good
I'm a bit bummed that Elegoo removed the Ethernet port from the Saturn 3. I tend to prefer stationary devices be hardwired since... well, they're not going anywhere anyway. Of course, there's nothing wrong with offering Wi-Fi too, but make it like a computer printer and simply allow for Ethernet with Wi-Fi fallback (if desired).
Both options would have been great
I agree.
Id be next to impossible for me to use Ethernet at my current locations. But for that option I might’ve completely redo my shop lol
Resolution is only 9k on y-axis (pixels are rectangular) don't fall for the hype.
so better buy dlp?
Features: WiFi print status and notifications, Resin low notification and pause, integrated camera, clear front edge of vat for easy viewing of early stage success/fail, cleaner vat drain.
Thank you Elegoo for including tempered glass screen protectors, like Creality does. Features like this can extend the use-life of the screen. With
Exactly, where the hell is the heated resin? People use these in unheated garages.
Any plans for a Photon M5s vs Saturn 3 Ultra vid? 🤔
In the market for an upgrade and it's just perfect timing! Thanks for your amazing videos, like always!
To me it seems like these printers are just become scams to get us to buy more expensive resin because that's what we consume the most. I don't understand why they just don't make larger printers cheaper instead of these small ones that are pumped out like the pace of smart phones with little updates to them.
I kind of agree. Only thing is I won't buy a smart phone every year. Usually get about 4-6 years out of a good phone.
So applying that principle you can get a new printer every 3 years maybe and you'll be keeping up to date but not feeling like you should or need to buy every new printer.
The resin becoming more pricy even though it appears to just be diluted for the new printers is a bit of a put off I agree.
Same. I'm excited for printers like the emake3d and athena printer since there's so many quality of life changes in those printers and they're big. Just wish those features came down to smaller printers at a more affordable price
i mean thats aways been the scam with computer printers and photo printers. every 3-6 months there was a new printer out that was "the last one youll need" and had the best stats. printers that were 6months to a year old became obsolete and new ink cartridges were the price of a new printer that came with ink. like most industry they would rather you buy a whole new printer that be able to upgrade your current one. They dont care about waste or you wasting money, they just want your money.
stop sending your money to crap companies. this is harder to do than say
Yeah I've noticed that too. They all seem the same except for 1 or 2 proprietary features. Very different from fdm printing.
I'm a bit disappointed you didn't compare it to the anycubic m5s. In fact, you didn't even mention it despite them being direct competitors. That and the video was sponsored by elegoo. I'm sure it's a great printer but it makes it tough to take your review at face value.
Do you prefer this new elegoo Saturn 3 or the new anycubic 12k with auto leveling?
This thing seems incredible. I bought my Mars 3 in January, and I will be getting the Ultra (need a bigger one, for bigger minis) in December!
I've already booked the Anycubic M5S but I'm very attracted to this too.
M5s is solid as well! Congrats
@@UncleJessy we live in an age of wonders. The Saturn 4 is going to be fantastically awesome! (even assuming it's just the best of the M5S and Saturn 3)
@Uncle Jessy do you know the m5 (not m5s)? it's on sale rn
wasn't gonna but i did... wifi and a metal frame is a nice new.
Can we just use that film and that resin on our Saturn 2 and push the speeds a bit more on that? Could you try that out?
so now need to do a side by side of this one and the anycubic M5s, trying to decide what would be the better buy. Bigger build volume vs auto leveling.......
So What do you choose? I still don't know personally, because both sides seems to be not completely honest with customers : Anycubic doesn't show us more about features like force detection, failure detection and diagnosis and for many people their after sale service is just hawful... Elegoo try to sell us a Saturn 2 revamped with the same 12k screen as Anycubic but at a too much higher price and no real videos about print resolution/comparison with 8k or the 150mm/h they promise... And both don't communicate about spare parts prices, so maybe 12k screen costs half the price of the entire machine, we don't know sh*** about it... The more time, the more I think that I will pass on both of the two. 🤔
Look forward to Elegoo releasing an actual next-gen printer with auto-levelling, resin detection, error detection, auto-fill, heater and better leak protection on the top if the FEP get’s a puncture. 12K is nice but everything else about the 3 and the Ultra is basically last gen tech. Look to the Uniformation, the M5S or Athena to see an actual next gen printer.
Saturn 3 will be outdated and an improved version released in less than a year. Sadly, Elegoo shot themselves in the foot with their greed - releasing the Standard and Ultra at the same time, proves the Pro/Ultra is no longer about incorporating improvements over time, it’s about charging more for extra features from the start. They’d have been way better to release the 3 with all the current Ultra’s features, and then release a proper Pro/Ultra version in 6 months with actual next gen features.
Instead, the whole 3 line will be expired in under a year. Even worse when you consider many buyers won’t be getting theirs till August or September!!
I really think Anycubic has won this round, if you go by actual tech released instead of just brand recognition.
Auto-levelling ain't that important. it's basicly something you do once and barely touch it. Auto-fill is gadgety and resin detection i don't really understand (detect what resin you have or if there is resine in the vat ?). Error detection, heater and leak protection on the other hands are something that would make my life easier.
I don't know about Uniformation but anycubic has the worst customer service ever. Athena look nice but damn it's expensive (even without the shipping costs)
@@sportyeight7769 Anycubic QC is also garbage for their FDM printers at least. I had hardware failures on both of my fdm printers from them that took a few months to get warranty replacements for. One of the printers had a dead motherboard less than 2 weeks from being unboxed.
Wouldn't it be better to measure speed in number of layers per hour rather than a distance per hour?
A thick layer would allow faster speeds, but the quality would really suffer, so it's not a "functional" speed, so may as well not be stated.
Or am I missing something here?
And what is the use of 0.05 layer height and 8k resin on a 12k printer? To get the best results you should be close to the pixel size x/y in height in my opinion. I'd like to see which settings are used and try those out on the S2.
Just wait for Saturn 4 Ultra Plus Extra that has heated vat... one of the most important part for succesful printing and cutting down layer times
Saturn 5 more likely. in a couple years not having a heated vat will be a deal breaker.
i like the design and the features, but I don't think its worth the higher price vs the m5s 399 pricetag / compairing the preorderdeals from both 12k machines. looking forward what phrozen has to offer
I mean the "K" part really doesn't matter, it's about the pixel density. This printer has a 24 um which is pretty dam good but the phrozen Sonic mini 8k has a um of 22. I think only the Mars 4 beats this right now at 19um but it's a smaller screen so do your research
Jeez. I'm remembering when the Saturn was a big deal at its launch starting at 499. HOw far we've come.
Also gotta agree with you on the bed screws. I hated how Elegoo did them before and when I got myself a Phrozen Mighty 4K I switched to them because they did that. It's nice not having to worry about the bed swiveling all over the place and being lined up with the vat.
I appreciate your content as always, Jesse and this isnt a slight against you. Its just kinda, icky, to me that one of the main selling points of this printer is the high speeds but it cant be tested because they didnt get the high speed resin out to the ONE person showing of their new printers. And its already up for pre order. 😐
Because he is paid to promote the items he shows. Not to actually test any of it.
It is called being a shill, unfortunately that's what this is. There is literally no reason to buy this machine over the Mono 5s it costs more and does less. I say that as a Mars 3 pro owner looking to upgrade.
@kipkulich6042 with only 200mm in z axis no thanks.
@@kipkulich6042 Do not get the Mono 5s, its one of the worst 12k printers, especially now that its 480 bucks. Everyone I know who got it received it damaged and it constantly fails, plus with all comparisons I've seen has the worse print quality. Get the Prhozen Sonic mini 8ks.
I wonder if the ACF film could be used with the regular Saturn 3 or the Saturn 2 for quicker release.
Don't really see a reason why it wouldn't
Nearly all the improvement comes from the high speed resin, which MAY need the ACF.
Picked one up on black Friday, can't wait to upgrade from my mars 3. Big difference.
Can someone explain why Saturn 3 is cheaper than the Saturn 2…?
Don’t know for sure but if I had to take a guess, depending on things the time the Saturn two came out or could be that items are getting cheaper to build new items are always more expensive. Just think how much more expensive a 3-D printer was when they came out they were in the thousands to tens of thousands or even more.
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I do not understand it should be faster than the Anycubic m5s with 150km / h but in your tests the Anycubic seems faster for you who have tested both which is the fastest to print at equal print size ?
The speed of the print on both machines boils down to the new high speed resins both companies are coming out with. If you print on either machine with your standard resins, the prints aren't going to be any faster. Both machines are basically the same, but the Anycubic offers self-leveling and resin runout detection (debatably also failed print detection but apparently that doesn't actually work from what I've seen). I imagine if you used the high speed resins on your current printers, you could still get very fast prints.
Need you to do a neptune 4 vs neptune 4 Pro. Looked online and couldn't see much differences
The 4 Pro has the interesting segmented bed, where for small models you only heat the center. The Pro is going to 2 months longer to ship to Australia which made my decision easier.
Have you found a great mixture of resins for figures? I plan to print some articulated figures. 😉👍
Hi jessy, what layer height did you use to print the miniatures? Did you use anti aliasing? Nice preview of the printer btw!
Hi Jessy. At 9:16, you mention using the left-over supports for the vat cleaning function. Can you elaborate? Love your channel! You have the best info on YT.
I'm glad they added the ball screw to the ultra.
The Anycubic M3 Premium has those. Good in theory at least.
Any chance Elegoo is going to offer the option to upgrade older 3d resin printers? I just bought a Saturn 8K not even 2 months ago and I would rather upgrade the existing machine than drop money on a new one even though those new machines are really REALLY nice.
Doubtful, Elegoo didnt offer other people these printers for reviews
@@xRaptorScreamx a few have them. They just had limited quantities to send out at the moment.
Resolution is only 9k on y-axis (pixels are rectangular) don't fall for the hype. You won't tell the difference with 8K
i've been hanging fire on a replacement for my original Saturn (really wanted another with network connection), and placed my pre-order for the Saturn 3 Ultra yesterday as soon as it went live - delivery will probably not be until August (UK) - so plenty of time for Chitubox to update with a profile, and for others to see what baseline settings work well with the various resins. so looking forward to the massive uplift in resolution from my original.
OK FINE FINE UJ! You convinced me ill buy an Elegoo, HAPPY!?
how do you reuse the suppoort pieces? is there another video on that?
All these new printers, yet I still can't buy a cure and wash station for the Jupiter, which I've had for almost a year now...
Not impressed...
They don’t seem like they are manufacturing the Jupiter any longer so no need to make a wash and cure for them. I also have one and just wash it it, invert 180 degrees and wash again.
The price of printers have come down a lot particularly for what you get. The wash and cures are the same price and no better. How the hell is an Anycubic Mono 2 the same price as a WC Plus?
im more worried about all these new printers and no work on a screen upgrade for the jupiter. feels like they've abandoned the people who supported the kickstarter and took a risk on a large new system.
@@dann_craig What screen upgrade?
@@dmaikibujin the jupiter was built with upgradability in mind. before it was even shipped they were talking about an upgrade path for adding extra z height, and when their mars 3 came out they offered people refunds since it made the yet to be shipped jupiter obsolete, but they mentioned thay may create a 8k screen upgrade to bring it up to mars quality. so far i havent heard anything about this since
how does it compare to the New Anycubic Photon Mono M5s??
It seems to have the same 19 x 24 um that everyone was crying foul about with the Anycubic. I wonder if these "forbidden" rectangular pixels will become a standard. To be honest, I really like my Elegoo Neptune 3 Max, but the auto-leveling on the Anycubic tipped it to its favor, as leveling has been the bane of my usage for the Neptune 3 Max. There is always some quadrant that doesn't want to adhere well. For both of these printers, I'm curious about "regular" resin usage/
Seems like they are almost identical, the Elegoo has a little more build height and the Anycubic has that auto-leveling feature.
@@NorwayVFX today lcds have a high density so the most important thing is the light source... Compare detail dlp 2k with 8k lcd.
Would it be possible for you to say which resin and how much resin and how much each model cost to make?
Was wondering will the speed be affected if I am using Anycubic water washable resin on this printer
It can always be sped up/slowed down as needed
@@UncleJessy Changing my question slightly. Will it be faster to print the same miniature on Elegoo Saturn 3 as compared to Elegoo Mars 3 Pro if I am using the water washable resin?
@@ChenRenjun They will probably come out with high speed water washable resin, otherwise you won't get a speed increase.
The best way I've been able to explain what COB LEDs are to someone is that it is a lightsaber light vs Christmas lights. It's the density of the LEDs
SLS printers are like light sabers since they use multiple moving mirrors to reflect the light into specific areas, cob alone can't do that.
Try to use 3DMaterials SuperFast Resin in the meantime. This is probably what the Elegoo superfast resin will resemble. Great video, can't wait for more content from this printer.
thinking of getting this to print 1/12 scale weapons for action figures seems promising
Love your content. You actually convinced me to pre order the Saturn 2. Love it and tomorrow I will pre order the Saturn 3 Ultra.
I'm confused. You said that it has USB for the air purifiers (which I have two of), but the website for Saturn said that this model has a built in air purifier. Did your review model not have one? I'd like to know more about it because I'm not a fan of those little filters. THey don't seem to do a great job on the smellier filaments.
which is faster m5s or saturn 3 ultra?
does that really matters?
yes it seems to me we are talking about the m5s and the direct competitor ultra saturn 3, each has a different print size but for equal size which is the fastest? they also released a standard version of each the saturn 3 and the M5 the question of speed does not arise but for the m5s and the saturn 3 ultra it is one of the main characteristics put forward I can see the Jessy's test with al saturn 3 at 150km/h compared to his test of the m5s at 105kl/h I have the impression that the m5s is faster in printing however I would have liked to have his opinion.
Please show us some high speed prints to compare it with Anycubic M5S, and give us every price of high speed resin and spare parts for this Saturn 3 : how much for ACF FEP, VAT ( which is a shame with only one corner to pour resin, on the M5S there are four useful corners) And the most important, price for the 12 k screen. Elegoo and Anycubic doesn't communicate about prices which come after we buy the printer, but it really matters... I hope that Elegoo has a card to play with spare parts, because this new Saturn doesn't bring any innovation compared to the M5S. New build plate with 4 screws? Better late than never ! Wi fi? M5S has it ! Carbon filter? Resin fumes are so tiny that they are harmless! What's left? A larger build volume... Maybe it is a little to short Elegoo!😁
resin fumes aren't harmless. carbon filter support is great. ips touchscreen is great, metal body is great. pre-installed display protection is great
You know, the biggest problem I have with Elegoo is they are CONSTANTLY releasing new/improved versions of their printers. I just picked up the Saturn 2 a few months ago and now I feel like it's outdated and I should have waited... but if I had waited, there'd be a Saturn 4 looming on the horizon :D
And I was just about to pull the trigger on the Neptune 3!
it's a hardware manufacturer. all act the same
That's what always happens with new technologies. Home 3d resin printers are still super new technology, look at any tech in history the first 10 years have basically new generations every year or so that change quite significantly. Resin printers are only now starting to reach their slower development stage
U will be more frust with anycubic marketing.
It’s a good thing to release models yearly IMO. However, in my case, I run a business with 2 original Saturns and a Saturn 2. Interchangeability of parts (vats, screens, build plates, etc) is important to me, so I’m going to stand pat with what I have for now. I’d possibly consider another Saturn 2 if they drop low enough so I can use my stockpile of S2 parts.
Native 12k (12288 x 6480) is ~80mp, the printer's is ~59mp (11520 x 5120). The diagonal pixel count across 10" is ~12k. However, the total pixel count for the machine is around 58.9K, whereas native 12k is ~79.6k. Elegoo marketing it as 12k is a little disingenuous imo.
With the exception of those grenades on the front, this turned out ok.
I’d love more videos of this printer. Long time FDM, new to SLA… And $900+ is a huge hit for me right now.
Well, the ultra is only $499
Did my guy just say Neptune 4!? Waittttt a minuteeee
@Unclejessy When Does Elegoo offer also Auto Leveling with Resin Printers like Anycubic already started with?
Get some epoxy putty to fill that area on the cyborg! The print is perfect otherwise. You can fill the area, smooth with water / iso and then sand when finished. Just need to give the print a quick prime after to make it a uniform color, or paint it 😎
Thankfully it’s on the back. For sure keeping that print as it’s dang near flawless… we’ll minus the back 🤣
That's why I want a larger size printer. Even the 10" screen is a bit small for Wicked prints. Need something 13"+ and the current offerings each seem to have their own issues.
would this improve parts' gap ??? if upgrade to this ??
Made the jump from from creality to elagoo Saturn 8k. I just got it today and seem pretty pleased. I did want this one but couldn’t wait lol. I’ll probably get it in the near future.
Did you ever get around to making that video with the Elegoo rapid resin?
It's my go to resin now. I have a video going up later this weekend and will be using it.
Nice editing my man!
The resolution is 9k by 12k isn't it? Nice commercial.
Uncle Jessy which printer would you recommend? This new saturn 12 k ultra or the new anycubic photon m5s 12k printer? i want the best details for miniature figures
He’s sponsored by elegoo…both use the same screen so I dont think it matters much
@@jasperpott6341 the same lcd panel but the light source determines how much detail can be used from the panel, that's why dlp have such good detail.
I personally ordered m5s but much cheaper as an early bird. M5s has, above all, a sensor that will detect whether the print has not broken off and does not want to dent in the lcd ...
Due to the light, I think that the elegoo will have better detail, but it does not have a sensor, so you need to level the build plate.
ellegoo is also taller
8k will be near as good. But 12k seems to show very small sharper details from what I've seen.
@@666Azmodan666 Thank, I missed the M5s sensor.
That's cool, faster, bigger printers. Thanks for the review on it. Add it to my wish list. Do you paint any of the things you print?
Would you share the layer height, exposure time and lift speed that you used with the space grey 8k resin? I usually print minis at 0.03mm layer height, 1.6sec exposure and 40-60 mm/m lift speed, so it takes a long time but the prints are smooth.
.3 layer height is perfect for 29um resin.
Basically they are using laser type uv to cure the resin cause at 12 k the uv has smaller pixels to penetrate
1:24 it's easier and more correct to say "point eight eight" versus "point eighty eight."
what do you think about heated resin vats? I'm not huge into 3d printing, because I suck at it, haha. but I saw another video of a printer that had a heated vat and they thought it helped with having less fails...for some reason.
Putting up print times without stating the layer height is pretty pointless! Otherwise great video
Is it possible to transfer files through LAN?
Hi Jessy! First... thank you for what you do!!! My wife bought me a Saturn 3 (not the Ultra) for Xmas. I'm having lots of support failures. The exposure times seem dialed in well with the Cones of Calibration device and I've always used slower lift speeds for this very reason. I have an Elegoo Mars 3 Pro and I've only had two failures with over 550 hours of printing. However, I keep getting support failures with the Saturn 3 even with tried and true lift speeds and heights... :( ANY RECOMMENDATIONS??? Help me Obi-Jessy... you're my only hope! ;)
Now that you've had hands on experience with the m5s and the Saturn 3 Ultra, do you find yourself preferring one over the other?
Dang $499! I got the Phrozen mighty 8k a month ago for $599!. Should've waited, though I do love the screen on the Phrozen
it looks so good! 😍
I made some super tiny chainmail (3mm outer diamiter rings but I've been testing with sub 2mm) that would be great to demonstrate high res printers with let me know if you want to try it!
ty for an amazing video !
can you pls share the water washable best print and speed settings :D?
Hay Jesse, great video as always. Any news on a new Elegoo Jupiter for this year, or would that probably be next year ?
I'd like to request a print to see the quality of that printer please. Could you print a Springfield Armory M14 Rifle. If the oval-tangular barrel holes show up at the tip of that gun, I,m sold.
Bro I swear just last year 2k was the meta... now we have a $400 12k one....
What are the tall supports used for in the vat cleaning functions?
I'm wondering the same thing😂 I'm really curious about that, but can't find any information, it's also the most replayed part of the video, but you are the only one who asked lol
I've figured it out, you place the support in the corner of the vat, use the cleaning function while holding the support there, once complete you can use the support to pull up the now printed resin "slide" instead of using your fingernail to try and dig it up
@@swankyk ahh ok thanks, I'm always using a small piece of paper for that
hi....does the 12K have a pre-drilled hole for exhaust hook up on the back side of the hood like the 8K? If so is it the same size? Would be cool if I could just use the same adapter I have now on my 8K if I were to buy the 12K to replace it.
Im more interested in that new Anycubic with the auto-leveling, my Saturn 2 does great, detailed mini printing, but I hate having to level it
Really nice video. good! A question: what are the external measurements of the printer? Thank you
Hi ! What are your setting to print that fast and what resin ? I always end up with at least 8h to 12h
Would love to get some more insight into your slicer settings..
Would you suggest using a flex plate or not? I have been spoiled by them on my smaller printer.
i like how I'm watching this 4 months later and you say it's 499.99 and i go look and it says the same thing but it says it's marked down from 550.00
Do you have any resin printing guides for beginners? Resin printing 101. I couldn’t find any in your playlists
I'm blown away by how cheap this machine is.
I just joined your Patreon. Any chance you can share your Lychee settings for this?
just waiting for the next gen neptune hopefully they add a heater to the printer...
Your videos are cool Good work, would you do a best settings video for this unit please that would be awesome!!
Ultra to me would have been 12k DLP. That is what I'm holding out for.
You are dreaming.
@@petercallison5765 probably at the current level technology is at, but who knows in a years time or two. I just think DLP offers so much more vs LCD.
Do you gain much from using fancy resins in these high resolution printers? They perform well with regular stuff just as well is it just a time thing?
@@PatchGuilf some say the details pop more. I honestly can’t tell that much one over another. Some of the more expensive resins are more durable / more flexible
Thanks for the amazing video as always. I was about to order my first ever printer and was leaning towards the Saturn 2. Thinking I might pre order the Saturn 3 Ultra now as the price difference isn't huge. I do have a question though. What comes in the box? Is it the same as the Saturn 2? with the filter ect?
just bought one on the strength of your review. I have had elegoo machines since the first Mars came out. The only one i didnt like was the Jupiter (too many design faults). But the Saturn platform is a solid one that has been a joy to use.
Did you get it yet? How is it? And did you buy the ultra?