Property Rights and Homeless Shelters-What Has the Supreme Court Said?
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- Опубликовано: 2 июл 2024
- The Catherine H. Barber Memorial Homeless Shelter is the only option for people experiencing temporary homelessness in all of Wilkes County, North Carolina. It’s been serving the community there for more than 30 years, and its record is exemplary. But when the shelter tried to apply for a permit for a new building in an ideal location (near businesses and public transit but far from residential areas) their application was rejected, even though the shelter met all the town’s requirements. In this episode we discuss the situation, and how-and whether-the Constitution applies to local zoning boards issuing permits.
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What's the Rand corporation and also the world economic forum?
This particular issue is something that's important and people should be able to rise up and make their voices be heard . . . but your only intention is to discuss the issue in legal terms? It makes sense to me you'd provide to your viewers with names and numbers to call to let them know they're wrong in their decision. But actually helping get the shelter opened isn't in your interest? That's how it appears. That's sad.
They don't even have to use zoning... The city I live in just refuses everything like this case, or uses eminent domain and just takes it. They recently wiped out a mile long stretch of low-mid income homes to widen a street that didn't need it, then incentivized a contractor by giving him all the land parcels for a buck, and several hundred thousand to build higher end housing. Some of it goes through a tract of heavily contaminated land. They're systematically targeting specific parts of town like this. They built a million plus dollar ice cream stand on the taxpayer's dime, renting it back to someone with the right connections for a grand a month, which hurts other struggling businesses, and claim there is nothing in the budget for those who need it. We're a city of less than 40,000 in the middle of rural Wisconsin pushing a quarter billion in debt. The people are asking for low cost housing to replace what they destroyed, nope, no luck. To pay for it, since it was part of a TIF that had no development to offset it, They just reassessed most of the city, many I know got hit with crazy high taxes out of the blue that they couldn't afford. We have a 20% poverty rate, homelessness is increasing, and to combat that they criminalized homelessness in the downtown district with fines that these people couldn't possibly pay. And guess where the only homeless shelter here is? You guessed it, downtown. Welcome to America. Keep fighting the good fight I.J., always nice to see someone on the people's side.
This is a great issue to bring to the light!! Zoning is out of control!
Exactly, like parking your car on your lawn, fine!
City ordinance. Too arbitrary. Broad topic. Discrimination (suit) against the Poor.
You can do is try to appeal to the local public, volunteers trying to tackle the homeless problem, and the city isn't helping.
Preventing help for the poor and homeless is a fail as far as government goes.
As far as court's concerned, if the city requirement were met, then the city should give them a license (reasonable expectation). Otherwise, it's discrimination. Discrimination against the poor.
Although this is reasonable expectation, right-wing/conservatives/Republicans may view it is "socialism" (helping unfortunate/poor Americans).
Even as they draw up ordinances that violate Constitutional Amendment Laws (also known as Rights). They would rather have police commit harassment and/or assault (a crime) against the homeless, instead. They are all for supporting the police (even bad ones, especially bad ones, Qualified Immunity anyone?) and fighting "crime" (sarcasm).
This is not political, just the facts.
"My home is my castle"
3rd Amendment actually spells out property rights. I annotate it below. Only problem is, I don't know if it's been widely accepted as such, yet.
No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house (property), without the consent of the Owner (property rights), nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
I did some research on it, due to city placing fine on private property, using city ordinance and also HoAs.
Homeless Shelter isn't necessarily a home, it's a busy-ness (something to do). In this case, it would be treated more as business rather than private property.
10th Amendment
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
States derive their power from the 10th Amendment. "nor prohibited by it (The Constitution) to the States" The Bill of Rights, Amendment Laws listing Constitutional Rights, prohibits unreason search and seizures, for example. On all levels of Government, Federal, State, and local.
You'll need this to fight city ordinances.
Government Hierarchy
- Constitution - Federal Level
- Bill of Right - List of Rights and things (Federal/State/Local) government is prohibited from doing
- 10th Amendment grants powers not reserved to the Federal Government, or prohibited by the Bill of Rights (Amendment Laws) to the states and people.
Turn it into a 24/7 stationery store. Keep it "fully staffed" at all times and sell items through a secure window, just like a gas station.
And the Code Enforcement Officers wonder why homeowners do not bother with permits anymore.
The government housing doesn't get permits either. Neither are they state building code compliance.
Democratic government is famous for do as I say not as I do.
Not that the Republicans would be any better, quite the opposite in fact.
This is a classic case of “not in my back yard”. The city can simply change the law then you have no case.
I think work that I J IS NEEDED VERY MUCH .AT ONE TIME I WAS HOMELESS BECOUSE OF THE D A IN THE TOWN WERE I LIVED FOR 64 YEARS I LOST MY BUNESS AND WAY OF LIFE I WAS USE TO AND HAVE NOT REVECOVERD AND DONT THINK I EVER WILL .
Meanwhile communities turn into eyesores with boarded up buildings! Requirements and permits!
no one owns property, tax is a user fee.
Exactly! In us you don't own any property at all. It's all government property that u pay tax to use.
The Homeless are viewed as non-persons and undesirables. This was a perfect example of the blatant and illegal practice of making up rules purposely designed to keep the Homeless under bridges or various nooks, only to be harassed and their meager possessions stolen.
The persons running this are correct. These shelters need to be near resources like public transportation, libraries, post offices and similar tools in order to get them back on their feet, instead of knocking them back down at every opportunity. I heard a local loser cop (supervisor level) saying how 'all Homeless are drug addicts and mental cases'.
No, these are the sorts that stick out. Many Homeless are families, Veterans, people who have lost their homes and livelihoods through no fault of their own (i.e. vices). As far as those with mental issues, where else are they to go after the government shut down state hospitals?
the problem here is simple, they tried to do this according to the law. All they forgot to do was pay off the council..
Been involved with this bullshit in San Antonio for years. Friend just bought a house built in 1935. Went to get a permit for repairs. Nope. Told him he didn't have a valid address. Somehow the property wasn't divided properly. He has to apply for a variance. $600 just to apply. Meanwhile he has an old house he can't touch. Think they'll let him pass on the project tax or not fine him for not cutting the grass? Bureaucracy at its finest.
SuperAfrank, if the friend used a lawyer to handle the purchased of the property, the friend should sue that lawyer for failing to do his/her due diligence to ensure the property was legal, a qualified property survey was completed, confirmation of no leins or outstanding work orders was obtained by the lawyer BEFORE closing! IF, as I suspect, the friend thought he had the world by the ass on a down hill pull, and purchased the property, PRIVATELY and CHEAPLY, on his own, weeeelllll! Sucks to be him! Coming from texas.......proof......not one of the sharpest tacks in the box??
@@patriciaathome2719RUclips censored my reply. As expected. My friend is from New York. Two brothers who are lawyers. You must be one too. And to imply that being from Texas makes one less intelligent makes you seem a cardi b.
Isn't that what title Insurance is for? A clear title explaining all aspects/info. about a property?
Another area that is commonly discriminated against in building and Zoning codes is mobile or modular housing. While these types of structures often meet or exceed the requirements in various building codes, many communities will create rules the prohibit them. Commonly they make these rules based on the false perception of the mobile home trailer trash kind of housing. Often times a person could put a modular home in next to a stick-built home and have a much nicer place, but it's against the law.
It’s a shame the work you do gets so little attention and feedback.
I’m gonna try and help with that.
It's because of censorship
I'm in the same boat as you!
Arbitrary and Capricious petty tyrants at their finest.
The problem is is that those are largely the people who want to be in power in local governments. It feels like for every one person who's in local government to fulfill a civic duty there's at least ten petty little "Karens" who are in it for the control they have over their communities and will happily destroy people financially over their arbitrary rules and standards.
It's a typical case of " Not in my neighborhood. " we need affordable housing all across America now!
Aw, the zoning “Nazi’s” ...
a quote from some dude here, ""Also if the government provided housing like they are supposed " " Yep thats the people supporting IJ on this one big freedom lovers.
Business owners didn't want their customers accosted in the parking lots. That's what it boils down to.
Sounds more like a case of "NIMBY-ism"... Not In My Back Yard!!
But shelters be downtown near facilities & transits not near suburbs. Shelters are pretty nice well kept & people have rwstrooms, not like homeless in SF etc human excrement, rodents, bugs & hypo drug needles & rotting food wrappers as in Pelosi district.
Hmm do you know land or even rent an apartment, how about i now host a homeless camp there (yep imma just gonna do it). Sure this place sounds nicer than me tossing homeless people into your bathroom but we all kinda LIVE by the concept and NATURAL RIGHT of NIMBY.
@@jetrpg22 ??? Who what is " Nimby"?
@@patriciamampel3601 Read the first post of this thread...
"NIMBY-ism"... Not In My Back Yard!!
@@patriciamampel3601 Not In My Back Yard
Permits and restrictions destroyed my beloved downtown Tampa. 20 years ago there were late night businesses, entertainment and street vendors. Downtown Tampa is now dead with empty buildings and No Street Vendors.
Maybe you guys want to look at 1:20-cv-02905 in U.S. District Court for the District of Colorado. Judge denied my motion to restrict so public information now. Land use fight gone bonkers. It is all true. Could use some help but I'm fighting the fight regardless.
If you are in Federal Court most filings are public however unless a person pays for PACER you cannot see what was filed. So no one is going to look at this unless you post your pleadings and the courts responses online where we can see them. Recognize that court pleadings with a few well specified exceptions are public.
@@kmagnussen1052 The clerk told me I only had to pay for printing. I get all kinds of conflicting information. I have been living out of my car while fighting them. I haven't been able to set up any of the online systems yet. I don't care who sees it. I was trying to be decent with my adversaries will protecting myself. I will say however; after a few of them found out I was putting the screws to them they are engaging me at any opportunity. They have since robbed my landscape lighting and almost got me shot at walmart by the police just for trying to get my watch fixed. It is unbelievable what those people have been allowed to get away with down there and I plan to put a stop to it. I have managed to get a temporary housing situation I started last night. Currently I went upstairs on interlocutory appeal because they are giving me the 12b6 routine. The appeals court put hold arguments till I give answer to them. This may set president on citizen land use rights for minimalist living. Many crimes were committed against me the Court has to come to grips with. I filed a motion to amend complaint that was denied absurdly. Material facts man. Material facts can't just be put aside at the Courts whim; of which I have plenty. Stay tuned. I'll fight them till my last last dollar. My life depends on it. Are you a representative of the organization? I'll send you what the appeals court has in front of them. This case is unbelievable but true. I aim to prove it. It is just a monumental task. I'm up against seven lawyers and prejudgment of my character. Could use some help. Thanks for your time. RLB
@@proteusaugustus
Good luck to you.
In the end, what matters is you tried.
It's extremy rare for am individual to beat the system.
It's rare for people to take it on.
The system is typically out of line and out of control.
Ar least you are fighting back
@@proteusaugustus I'm going through a similar situation at least when it comes to the opposing side using the internet at their disposal to smear my reputation through a guise of conditional use civil forfeiture immunity claims. Its incredibly weird and difficult to discuss all that was discovered because the other side decided to base their plan as though someone was severely mentally unstable. If discovered (which it was) then it would be verbally and written in a way that brings up the severe mentally unstable nature of the plan the opposing side used. Weird but true in my case. Kindest Regards, Aiden Alamo
@@aidenalamo6262 I unsubscribed from this channel because they are interested in representing "sympathetic" clients. That's not a good position for such an organization to take. They should take cases with merit and legal relevance; rather than try to win by influencing the jurors. That's deception.
So what will happen to those evicted & foreclosed?
Nothing the bank will hold on it until the market returns !
Another awesome educating segment .
How might the 1906 Supreme Court ruling of "You owe No Duty to thy neighbor " apply Properly against said Local Govt ?
Neighbors property values are Not a
Concern of Landowners who stand for their Liberties & Property rights .
Sadly many Legislatures have acted Knowingly wrongfully in their Intrusions into Property Rights & are acting Communistically via Collectivism & Property tax valuations .
I feel since 1875 the State has
Over stepped Lawful Jurisdictional Limits & the very means of Property Valuation & Property tax Scam over inflating the Values based upon these Corrupt methods is wrong .
90% of Seniors declare bankruptcy due to end of life medical etc expenses or Property taxes .
I feel valuation of Land is Fine but not privately Owned Structures .
States as standard practice ask counties for 5% increase annually & often Counties Blank check 2.5%
Peeps wonder where Inflation really starts & Harms the value of the dollar the most .
Excess taxation across an average of 25 Admin per district in each County file their own CAFR reports then the Sum Agregate totals are often hidden or Phony (see definition of General Accounting principals = a total bad joke)
These excess funds use is approved for use by whom & when ?
These excess taxes are never used to lower Taxes or annual increases in taxes .
These funds most often have been building up for over the past 70 yrs
It's also very easy for Corrupt officials to Steal/siphon these & whatever kind of financial interest they've put them into .
What's with all the Bad Arc Grants also ?
What is the Fed getting in return ? Or should I say the UN Planning Committee's in albeit every US County under Guise of Sustainable development.
They are Not elected & are Unconstitutional; very Oppressive by Grand Fraudulent design to directly harm Poor ,elderly Disabled
& Indigenous Native population ='s Poorest Americans .
They use excessive fines to basically steal properties for not obiding by International Subpar Building Codes .
What was wrong w State Bldg Codes being improved Constitutionally?
County Codes ?
I would gander the denial of their Bldg permit ( shouldn't need a permit) was by the Local Volunteer Communists of the UN Planning Committee ( note: in these they insulting trick the citizens by naming these after the County Name )
See UN agenda 2030
& World Economic Forums Desires
I've been homeless once in my youth & I'm still great full for the Shelter who helped me ; less than 30 days & back on my feet .
Yes it was also winter
The value of a Hot meal , shower ,laundry and a safe cot to lay your head for a few hrs is priceless
Yes I payed 3 bucks a day too ; coming up w that 3 bucks was difficult ; I was layed off from the local newspaper during a Takeover
Who restructured . Grrrrrrr
I found odd jobs / temp work til I could get enuf to Get a bus ticket back to NY where obtaing Work was Simple .
I ended up going into Wireless Infrastructure; merely responded to add in Local Newspaper & no exp was required
These cases may help;
Please see Hale v Heinkel, Pelazzolo v Rhode Island affirmed by Lucas v South Carolina and City of Monterray v DelMonte Dunes.
Best
Everyone seems to be quoting case opinions and not laws passed by elected officials by “we the people.”
This can mean several things: either our representatives are a bunch of incompetent law makers, that write arbitrAry and capricious laws or they do not care about the people they represent or they are incompetent power hungry bureaucrats. One thing for sure; we the people and groups like IJ do care and we are waking up and fighting back. Thank you, IJ
God Bless you all for Helping the underdogs. The thing about all this, is People on these Boards that think their Crap Don't Stink are the Same people that will find themselves on the other end of this Shitty Stick!! We all have to back Our Control on all the smallest Seats. That's what the Evil Narcissist and Commies are eating our Lunch!! God Bless Our Great Republic
I wiped the ass of local government when they tried to pass homeless tiny housing and dictated HOW THEY WOULD LIVE INSIDE THEIR DEEDED HOME. ( I told them if they tried that nonsense I would be happy to come to THEIR HOUSE AND DICTATE WHAT THEY HAD FOR DINNER WHAT COLOR THEIR BEDROOM THEY HAD WHAT STYLE OF FURNITURE THEY HAD HOW THEY SPENT THEIR TIME AND MONEY. AND WHAT ACTIVIES THEY WERE ALLOWED TO DO. and what reglion they could practice inside their own house.
( they canceled their plans because they couldn't dictated how people lived in a deeded house on a foundation. ) it had nothing to do with building code or city codes.
How about building them tiny houses so the shelter argument is less of an argument ?
There is a gentleman who builds those small houses @ $1500 per. Where is that guy??
@@blitzkriegcarnage8107 look under tiny house nation or tiny for homeless. I think he lives in L.A. . Most states don't allow tiny houses because they don't have BUILDING CODE FOR IT.and haven't figured out how to make money/taxes on it. Also if its on wheels its counted as a trailer. If built on foundation different laws apply.
What's the Rand corporation and also the world economic forum?
Communities that have allowed governments to get away with granting themselves the exclusive right to demand that the community obtain permits from the government have no one to blame but themselves. The community has the strength of numbers as well as the legitimate power and authority to tell these governments to go pound sand. But our go along to get along society has taught people that it's inappropriate to do that. It may be job security for people like you. But you are not the solution either. The solution is people uniting to self-advocate by treating these so-called government bodies the same way they would any other scam artists.
Fucking thank you. It is the peoples WILL ie their right to disallow things they don't want on their land to ban this shelter (or if its not and they can replace those officials). ITS EVEN MORE WRONG TO HAVE SOME JACKASS COME IN WITH THE LAW AND USE LEGALISM AND FALSE TORTS TO FINANCIALLY PUNISH THEM. Its there fucking right to say who can be in their community, its part of natural law.
This shit happens all the time and i don't see IJ giving a dam. I know of THREE chicken farms that had to move when housing developments came into the area (that the farms were at for decades before). Wanna talk about some wicked wrongness. But hey fighting for ACTUAL RIGHTS of well to do livestock farmers isn't as cool sounding as fighting for homeless people. Of course i bet these jackass IJ lawyers aren't currently hosting homeless in their current living abodes. Ohh boy got me fired up; but sorry this is so dumb.
"You Either Die A Hero, Or You Live Long Enough To See Yourself Become The Villain" Fucking not the quote i was looking for, its similar but there ya go ; its also true for these people who live on causes. No, stick to the principles. Causism is a cancer.
Another example of the law favoring those with the most money. I would hope the signers of the Constitution never had favoritism in mind. We know they in fact didn't, at least not as a body of one representing the many. It's so very hard to see evildoers, appearing to be Angel's at it again. If only all judges were elected by the people, and the people desired justice so much that they would get out and vote for true righteousness. Where is common sense? This is so very disheartening.
You couldn't vote if you didn't own land in 1787. Rule by the rich has been the majority of US history.
Well the problem you have is going to be the zoning. If it was a dentist office it is not set up for people to spend the night there therefore you can't have people staying overnight in an office type situation. If they allow them to do that then they would have to allow anybody that wanted to set up a home in an office the same leniency.
Making laws to not help the unfortunate
Homeless people
Seems to be a nationwide trend as of lately.
Worse, making laws to make helping the unfortunate homeless people illegal
If that town gets away with this attitude, I hope a corporation like Foxconn buys their town below market value under eminent domain.
If the town gets away with this, then no business can beat them even Foxconn.
It was not mentioned wether the service being provided was a public benefit of the corporation, or by a private entity etc.
Laws favoring property values and the wealthy. Same as it ever was. Except maybe between 1935 - 1975.
The same thing is happening in the opposite direction. They worry about it decreasing property value. Rural counties are getting an influx of people building homes several times the value of a rural community ,the county sees $$$ and encourage this. Generational properties end up being lost or having to be sold because they are land rich and cash poor. I personally experienced this with inherited land in va that there is family paperwork on to 1680. I think it was a homestead exemption my grandmother had but what I had to pay tax was if I remember correctly 8 times that amount. Fun fact my nc home and land was re assessed by the same company as the VA land and home. 77 acres and a block house 300 sq ft in VA, 6 acres and a 1200 sq ft double wide raised the exact percentage tax value the same year. Did they actually assess the property or throw a percentage at it.
Serves this town right, if this ignorance, on the part of, the towns administration, is put in financial trouble.
Yep are you ready to host 4 bums in your house yet? No, time to get some asshat to sue you and force you to do it ... its their rights don't you know.
This video could have been 5 min. and just aqs informative.
They could have done it just like Tomo news with Sims animation and that disgusting narrator.
I was homeless for a few years (I'm great now) those officials ought to be publicly ridiculed and shamed- start in the church they go ( if they do)
I used a 2x4 with posterboard and a magic marker and stood in frount of the justice building in rush hour traffic in a election year. It only took 20 minutes to get a slot in frount of a judge 10 days later. And we got 4 whole hours. ! The judge was PISS ED . who cares. That is what you get for telling me to bug off.
So what did the Supreme Court decide?
You need to take on the agenda 2030 (sustainable development) goals that are being implemented on the local level. That's the origin of what you are calling "arbitrary" conditions.
This is why the destruction or collapse of government is a positive outcome for so many people. Without government restrictions millions of businesses almost immediately.
seems like the appropriate remedy here is for the community to determine that indeed they do not want homeless shelters under any circumstance, and change their law, and reimburse the litigants here for all time and expenses incurred in a pointless effort to satisfy regulations that cannot be satisfied.
The town should have voted before all the expenses !
They need to be tax exempt up to 1 million or w/e same as churches
REDLINING, think of it this way. They either nip it in the bud now or risk it becoming an epidemic of homelessness like it is in Oregon.
Sue the town and use the money to grow the shelter
Also if the government provided housing like they are supposed to there would not need to be shelters. Theres a serious lack of housing in america and the government is spending money on ridiculous things and billions of wasted dollars instead of taking care of its own citizens. Even basic dorm style single room housing would be great for these people
"Also if the government provided housing like they are supposed " Fucking H. In a discussion of rights this is your take? Greats imma quote this to everyone else so they can see the idocy of people thinking the shelter is in the correct.
"Theres a serious lack of housing in america and the government is
spending money on ridiculous things and billions of wasted dollars
instead of taking care of its own citizens. "
Nope there is just is a cities where you get tons of stuff for free stolen from other people's work. Just like you want that housing STOLEN FROM OTHER PEOPLE. But here you are crying because one people didn't want their own homes fucked up by your filth , while you steal from to pay for tons of your shit.
Oh their immense wickedness punish them quickly. Fucking commies.
@jetrpg you must love the democratic government right now cause it's only democratic gov that's causing exclusions to homelessness. Good job dude and don't blame this shit ok communism cause it ain't commies that running your gov.
Tiny homes are a good idea, but spending triple the cost per square foot of a conventional home is a suckers game
How many participants in this discussion have invited a needy homeless person into their home?
@@BenR777 no, but commenting on RUclips is.
Great for desater
A week to get back on their feet?? If it was that easy oh man you know how many would not be homeless 😐
How about a hotel
*I ASSUME IF THE BUILDING WAS BULDOZED THE CITY WOULD LOSE MAJOR PROPERTY TAX REVENUE ON THE EMPTY LOT vs THE HOMELESS SHELTER OCCUPIED* (hint~hint)
It is class warfare that targets and disenfranchises the poor. They want everyone paying tribute to landlords or mortgage companies. Zoning and building permits force people to borrow instead of building how, what and when they have the means and resources to do improvements on land they own. Permits are fine for sprawling, cookie cutter, stucco clad, track in the box developments. An individual owner who just wants to create a home for his family should be exempt from such code, zone, and permit office shake downs.
First, try to open up a gay, handicapped, homeless shelter. Im sure a regular shelter will seem much more tolerable after that.
We don't want a homeless shelter here but we'll "work" with you and have you spend your money until we finally just say no; creating harm to the organization.
I don't know the answer but the more shelter and accommodation we've given the homeless in my town, the more we've attracted them. Most of our homeless are transplants coming here for said accommodations. The effect is being recklessly addressed while the cause is ignored.
There are very few shelters nation wide, not enough for homeless people.
Police departments herd homeless to locations with shelters by harassment even though there's no space in those shelters.
Then the criminalize homeless people with laws against sleeping outside, or camping on public property, steal their methods of survival and imprison as many as they can... Where they'll be thrown back into the street with a criminal record where you won't be able to get work, and you'll be criminalized again until your imprisoned again.
There's no helping hand back up into being a productive member of society in most of America.
No one hires people who smell unwashed, no one houses them so they can be washed. They have no address and no phone service.
Its entrapping the poorest to make permanent slaves in for profit prisons.
@@BenR777 You're naive to believe it's just about people falling on rough times. These are hardcore addicts who want a place where they can stay high without being hassled. So they come to my state and my town because we not only allow it, we facilitate it with free needles, free meth pipes and no enforcement of property crime laws. I see it first hand. A homeless camp is sprouting up literally next to my front yard as I type. But you don't need to believe the truth if it offends your sensibilities.
Sounds like , this towns administration, just does not want, 10 to 20 homeless people, wondering around town, during the day. Get over it, these people have the right to, as much as posible, a normal life.
Sounds Draconian & like CCP
It is always assumed that homeless people are ipso facto dangerous, that they are going to commit crimes
What possible rational reason would a property owner/business owner possess for not wanting a homeless shelter next door. I can't think of any. Maybe if you had talked with a representative of the people directly affected we could have received an answer to the profound mystery.
Well there was that statement about the homeless shelter lowering property values in the surrounding area. Maybe if the shelter agreed to indemnify those affected against loss. That might help.
n fyi. some of these homeless used to own homes/property. until g bush n the republicons wealthy took them. along with their jobs. in 2007-8-9.
Will Institute for justice read this comment? Here it is. Who is the town? Who is a pronoun which indicates people are referred to by the pronoun. The town which is a concept cannot respond to anything. Don't tell me that everybody knows what the town means. Who in the town are violating the law. Very simple call them up on charges that they violated the law as it is written. And that you seek personal damages from each person of $1000000.
An intelligent person does not need to be an attorney to see the simple application of the simple law. A court suit? Would that take time? It might take time but Forever After, no Town people that are supposedly " ruling the town"" will ever again violate their own obvious laws. Remember. To them on a personal level declaring that the town is a artificial concept which does not exist. It is the people who rule the town that are making the decisions. One more thing, ask for prison time for causing suffering to at least one homeless person. That will give you common law standing as well as corporate standing. Which is really to say that the company suing should sue not on its own corporate status but on the status of the people who are working in the corporation remember remember that that it is the common law people versus otherpeople that is the key to the matter. A corporation has no standing when it comes to real human beings and the common law.
Their use of the property would have lowered the value of the entire neighborhood and made it less safe
Arguably providing a shelter for homeless people and providing services for them makes the whole community more safe. I get NIMBY, but homeless people are people too (with human dignity), and they have to go somewhere. It seems like most homeless shelters have the long term goal of making homeless people no longer homeless (encouraging them to apply for jobs, get addiction and mental health treatment etc.)
Most businesses won't hire anyone homeless. Shelters are trying to offer a path back into housed taxpaying citizens... Most homeless people have no interest in becoming actual criminals. If they did, they'd have housing.
They should have said it's a shelter for biracial trans people who identify as homeless. It would have been rubber stamped.
great another long winded drone.
You can do better than that.
@@DVincentW It used to be legal and very much constitutional to deny any one service, land, or anything else save emergency stay, food, measures. Yet here is a group telling me its not freedom unless everyone has access to my land, family, or community.. Bullshit.
Indeed law is long winded !
We have enough churches who don't pay taxes !
@@jetrpg22 Hold up, because the nonprofit that is building a homeless shelter already owns the land; that is what this whole case is about. They are trying to get the property that they already own zoned for a homeless shelter so that the homeless members of the community can have a safe place to stay. They're not demanding access to someone else's land or family...
@@jos_meid Nope as other people pointed out Not in My back Yard ? Why is it their backyard. Because, now follow along. You don't land in the US you merely rent it from the government.
If something is yours, you are allowed to freely sell it. Can i sell my land to the state of Communist china and then they have the right to build idk a military base on it?
No why not. Because they land is OWNEd by the US government , and State, and local government. Thats why they can all tax your ass.
You, or IJ, want to make the argument that the shelter owns it and the local government doesn't they better start with the right of all people to own their land, not just a virtue signal cuz homeless people in a town far away from them.
You could argue yeah thast wrong.. too bad that is the REALITY of the situation. Maybe IJ will win after all its a small town, IJ has tons of $$, and its a great virtue signal (im sure there are more than a few judges that want the title of 'Homeless shelter savior in a town far away from were i live'.)
homeless r not bad people. just made homeless by the rich republicons
wow a whole city-of karen nimby’s.
Ken
I'm shocked a nice town doesn't want to become a home to vagrants and transients, they add so much to the community.
Our mayor has been IMPORTING THEM FOR YEARS KNOWING THEIR IS NO HOUSING FOR THEM.
@@BenR777 Exactly