David Pawson brought me to Christ a few years before he passed. I can’t wait to see him in Heaven. No one has ever come as close to teaching me as this incredible servant of God! 🙏🏻💕✝️
This teaching was recorded as around 2011, rather than the date of 2016, and reposted 2019. David would now advance things to a closer time. No one can ask or know the exact hour or day until it's implemented by the Holy one, but please understand we must have lamps of oil to enter with the Lord. Read, study, learn, and...follow asap. Peace be with all. Amen
@@aservant2287 Hi 2287. I know not Mike or his teaching, and all thats written is where we shall be, but only by the Will of God. Thanks. Peace be with you.
@@Logic807 Hi There are many parables noted by the Lord in the Bible. Jesus did note “foolish virgins who had no oil” and Jesus (the Groom) says to them “Assuredly I say to you, I do not know you.” Please understand Christ has asked us to follow him. If we say we do by living our own lives how we like the Lord said in Luke 13: 27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are: depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. This is a typical example of a Human life. Read Mark 4: and understand we must see and understand what the lord will be forced into doing with those who think one thing and do another. We should always follow Christ by reading the word of God, as Christ is the word/God himself and the Lord is the pathway of Light and the Oil lamp/candle should not be hidden but there to give light to all who read and follow. Be good as Jesus is and repent all evil/wrong doings and use a good church to give weekly praise to our Lord. Day of the Lord return is pending soon. Peace be with all who follow the true word of God. Amen.
Truly a blessing to listen to. Thank you God for people like David Pawson blessed by Holy Spirit and Spreading your word with wisdom and your guidance. Thank you Jesus blessing us through your word and your great Evangelists. Hallelujah.
If he only knew what was coming 4 years later, POWERFUL MAN OF GOD 🙏, AMAZING TEACHING'S, LOVE TO HERE HIM TEACH, GOD BLESSED HIM WITH MANY HEALTHY YEARS TO BE ONE OF THE GREATS IN GOD'S END TIME ARMY OF SAINTS! RIP, PASTOR DAVID PAWSON! You are the best, love you always ❤️, 🙏💔🇺🇸
When the Message of a Preacher Centers on Christ and His Great Glory and Kingdom...It is Truly Life Transforming. Bread without Yeast..Fresh Water that Quenches Every Thirst.
I've read some of Hal Lindsey's books even went to hear him speak, never realizing what some of his teachings were about of course that was 50 years ago when I was just a babe in the woods. God Bless David he is one awesome teacher. Amen.
Hi if you listen to his audio recordings he does read sh rupture before many talks - with video it was decided to leave the viewer to read scripture as time is short to meet TV timings - he would often speak for a full 90 mins when he spoke in church - captured in the audio recordings
I do believe in the persecution of the present day church in all the world , not just china and Arab countries. Some years ago, at least twenty , I had two dreams . in the first I was standing in a queue for Christians waiting to go into a Colosseum like p!ace where Christians were being killed by lions. But I felt God saying to me that I needn't be afraid because He would be with me. So I wasn't upset or frightened by it . I just kept it in my heart until it should happen , if it does. I am not certain that it will , but I've had other prophetic dreams which did come true in the past. Then I had a dream about being burnt on a fire built for the purpose , and again being reassured that God would be with me so not being frightened. As there were two different methods of death it seems reasonable to conclude that it is not necessarily literal. But definitely I think a warning of persecution to come. Thank you David for your clarity , biblical scholarship and realism. God bless you Kayte
Thank the Lord for the teachers of His Word that He has formed to teach the truth, the true message. Certainly the Bible clearly shows that the second coming of Christ will be immediately after the great tribulation, not before.
I had a dream about the rapture too. Just meeting the Lord in the air. Mind you I have lots of dreams about flying too. Sometimes easily. Sometimes with difficulty , meeting obstructions, wires etc in the air. I guess that's spiritual warfare, symbolism. Kayte
sold out for Jesus , that's where we must be. The bride of Christ making herself ready for our bridegroom , that's exciting , I'm eagerly awaiting His coming . our lovely Jesus . Hallelujah He has redeemed me , washed me in His blood , made me His friend . A friend of God.. ! wonderful. Matthew 24v14 when we do our thing the end will come. in Revelation 19 , the bride has made herself ready , then the King of Kings is revealed. Peter says we hasten the day of the Lord. we are in the 3rd day by Peters time reckoning , that's the day He rose again. Hallelujah. I will see Jesus return , meanwhile I'm going to be proclaiming the good news of the Kingdom of Heaven . Oh Glory , I feel so compelled to share the awesome , amazing Love of God.
David makes some excellent points on the rapture but it still does not answer why God will have two witnesses during the time Satin has full control of the earth. Unlike other periods of Christian persecution past, present and still to come Satin didn't have full control of the earth. I believe it could be ether way but I'm still leaning toward the rapture because Christ doesn't have to come down to rapture His church ( His bride ) but only has to call the church out of the world and He can do that from Heaven.
Hi Charles the key to this is the question “what does the Bible say? “ Sometimes it is better not to reason and compare with history ......as with stocks and shares .....history is no indication of the future - there has never been an event like this before and a lot of it will only make sense when it happens We are taught more to be ready rather than to understand David had many of his own questions he could not answer and there were many questions I asked him for which he would say - all will be revealed in the fullness of time But it’s great to observe your keenness and passion to know the Truth ! May the Lord give your wisdom !
Revelations 14:14, the reaping of the saints 14 Again I looked, and this is what I saw: a white cloud, and sitting on the cloud was One like the Son of Man, with a crown of gold on His head and a sharp sickle in His hand. 15 And another angel came out of the temple, calling with a loud voice to Him who was sitting upon the cloud, “Put in Your sickle and reap , for the hour to reap has arrived, because the earth’s harvest is fully ripened.” 16 So He who was sitting on the cloud cast His sickle over the earth, and the earth was reaped. Do a search on reap, two things are reaped, saints and wrath, then read Revelation 14:17-20, yes we go trough tribulation but the grapes of wrath filling the seven bowls of WRATH but, I believe, we will will watch watch the bowels poured out on earth preparing to return with Jesus to establish his millennium. This is an opinion of an opinion, I would greatly appreciate any input with biblical references.
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@min.50:55 - how to invest your money beyond the grave. I took Cornelius the centurion as an example and sent money to Jewish charities. No site of angels yet, lovingkindness, yes, plus other heavenly benefits on the side. Genesis 12:3 is the door to God's Heart!!!
It was great listening to you, brother David! I appreciate the time you dedicated to God's Word and to teach other people His Word. May your faith and works be rewarded by the Good God from which all good things come. However, if you don't mind me disagreeing with you, I wasn't particularly convinced by your arguments that the Church will go through the tribulation. I think you missed some very important points in regards to the rapture and pretribulationism. 1. Lord Jesus said that He Himself does not know when that day will come, but only the Father, who is in Heavens, knows. This means clearly that we don't know when the rapture will come. If we guide ourselves by the Great Tribulation and we believe the church will go through it, then we pretty much know when the rapture will happen since we know that the tribulation came and for how long does it last. We can deduct that after the 7 years tribulation ends, the rapture will happen. So this would invalidate what Jesus said about that day that nobody knows of, except for the Father in heavens. 2. There is a distinction between the coming of the Lord and the day of the Lord. The rapture will happen with the coming of the Lord. Also, the rapture is for the believers of Christ whom will either be resurrected, either be transfigured at His coming to rapture the Church. The day of the Lord, however, will be when Christ will come as a Judge and all eyes will see Him. This will happen in front of the whole world. 3. What's the point of being vigilant in our faith if we know when the rapture will come, meaning after the tribulation? Yes, I understand that we must be vigilant because we don't know the day when we'll leave this life and we must be prepared, but that's not the only reason for which we must be vigilant. We must be prepared also because of the coming of Christ like a thief in the night (for the coming of Christ or the rapture), and not like a Judge that all eyes will see (for the day of the Lord or the day of Judgment). 4. Lord Jesus said that the final days will be like the days of Noah and the days of Lot. What happened then will happen during the rapture as well. Noah and Lot were people God wanted to save from the tribulation coming upon the places where they lived. And they were saved in the last moment, just before God's punishment came upon the godless people surrounding these men and their families. So if the Church would have to go through the tribulation, then Jesus's analogy to these events wouldn't make sense. 5. Writing to the Church in Philadelphia, Lord Jesus is saying this: “Because thou didst keep the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of trial, that hour which is to come upon the whole world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.” Revelation 3:10 ASV. If this message is for one of His churches, then this must be a promise for all of them, because they all have the same Head and Christ and His message is for all His believers. 6. You said in the first part of this series that there are foretastes and fulfilments. I believe what you described about the Church in China was a foretaste of the persecution happening during the Great Tribulation, not a fulfilment of it. If it would be a fulfilment, then it means we are already in the Great Tribulation, although you said we are not in it yet for there are still signs of the times to be fulfilled. 7. Personally, and this is just a personal perspective, the Church and Israel will not go through the same events. He came to His own and His own did not welcome Him. This meaning that Israel rejected Christ for they wanted a powerful leader, a military and political leader to rule with them over the world. So God will let them have this leader in the person of the Antichrist so they can see that they desired wrong and they rejected the true Messiah when He lived amongst them. The Antichrist will be, at first, the embodiment of what they desired, but then he will reveal his real face and turn into their ultimate persecutor. This is what it says in the book of Daniel, chapter 12. On the other side, for all those that have welcomed Christ as their Lord and Saviour, they don't need any other lord or leader, for they already know the One and Only True Lord and Leader, Jesus Christ. This is just a personal opinion that I held right now. I'm not saying it's necessarily valid and absolute, but it makes sense for me and it connects some dots in my mind. There might be some other points to make, so I don't believe I have exhausted the list with these ones. But I consider them to be worth addressing and worth taking into consideration. Also, there are a lot of flaws with the post-tribulationist view that you hold, beside the arguments I already brought into discussion. What is the millenium? Is it literal? Is it allegorical? When will it happen or it will ever happen? You left a lot of questions unanswered and didn't do much justice to any of these perspectives. There are plenty of verses in the Bible that should've been approached and looked into that just weren't addressed. So, with all due respect for your great insights and teachings on other things, I have to strongly disagree with you on this subject. I'm not 100% certain that the Church will escape the Great Tribulation, it wouldn't be honest from my side to dismiss other views on this matter, but I have plenty of verses and leads that help me incline towards this perspective of pretribulationism and the rapture of the Church before the Great Tribulation. This is not an absolute and ultimate view, though. I remain open to criticism and arguments against it. I came to watch this video in the hope that I'll be convinced otherwise or, at least, that the above arguments will be addressed. Sadly, it wasn't the case and I'm a bit disappointed. Other than that, may the Lord grant us all with eternal life through His Son, our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ! Amen. Also, I found this Bible study to be very helpful and relevant on this topic: ruclips.net/video/7pGlpJN59mk/видео.html&ab_channel=SearchlightwithJonCourson I would recommend everyone interested on this topic to watch it
Firstly The Lord instructed Noah to build an Ark - he did not tell him when the flood would come but to be prepared. Noah was not surprised when the flood came In Matthew 24/25 Jesus is addressing believers - not Jews, and Jesus warns Christians of the signs that will innate his return - If Christians are to be raptured why is Jesus warning them ? As you state Jesus says one knows the time or the hour but HE does forward us of the signs to "keep watch" - when we see these signs we will know that Jesus is coming soon You are correct that if Davids teaching is correct that Christians will not be spared the Great Tribulation - when the Great Tribulation comes we are told how long it will last but but not a day or a time just3 and a half years - the fact we do not know when the great Trouble will comes - concurs with Jesus that we dont know when Jesus will return ..... Christians have been persecuted since the time of Christ and, in some parts of the world today, Christians are dying for their faith eg Iran and Muslim Countries. Christians have never been spared from persecution. Jesus warns us in Matthew 24 that at this time many will turn away from their faith, which can only mean Christians will tan away from their faith ...ie not spared Jesus says "He who stands firm to the end will be saved". meaning Christina will have to stand firm during these times Mt 24:13 Why would Christ say that if Christians are to be spared the trouble ? Then if we go to Rev 3 we are told of a specific church that will be spared the trouble that is coming but that is one church not all churches and again if you accept Davids teaching - that prophecy has been fulfilled and the church of Philadelphia were spared the trouble that came and went through persecution by the Roman Empire One of the key recurring messages of the Book of Revelation is that "He who overcomes will be saved". future ..... which is consistent with Matthew 24 13 - future, I would not dismiss Davids position too easily - Those who prepare for the great tribulation will not be surprised - this who believe that they will Raptured before the great trouble comes, may be very surprised and disappointed.
The pre trib teaching is a false teaching. We are to be watchers and know rhe seasons. He will come like a theft fir those who are not expecting Him but fir those who know the season will be ready for his coming. That day that great and incredible day the second coming Jesus return are all one event. Never is there mentioned a 3rd time there is only one second coming when Jesus returns after the tribulation with his angles to gather his people the righteous dead and those who are alive and believe at the last trumpet after the tribulation. That is what JESUS SAID.
@@penelopelucas4973 Thank you for your kind comment. Still, neither you, neither the one who manages this channel, haven’t addressed properly the points I made. Since my first comment, I studied a bit even more on this topic and I have even more reasons to believe that the rapture of the church will happen and it will happen before the great tribulation. The rapture of the Church is not the second coming of Christ. The understanding of this event is in it’s title: the church will be snatched up, caught up, raptured to Christ. The second coming of Christ will happen after the tribulation, indeed. Also, you mentioned the last trumpet. That’s the strongest argument for a mid-tribulation rapture, not a post-tribulation rapture. After the 7th trumpet described in Rev. 11:15 there are still other events to happen before the tribulation is over. But the trumpet apostle Paul refers to in 1 Cor 15:52 is not the 7th trumpet from Rev. 11:15, but God’s own trumpet described in 1 Thess 4:16. There are plenty of arguments for this position, if only you want to be honest, not biased, with them. If you already have an a priori perspective, then you will manipulate the arguments in your favour and do no justice to the biblical message, because you will look into the Bible at passages that you believe suit your perspective and interpret them not according to their original message, but to your perspective. If you can, I would recommend looking over all the eschatological texts in the Bible and let them speak their message. Try to withhold your post-trib bias and you may find another point of view. Also, watch these Bible studies that can help you see beyond your perspective. digitalcommons.liberty.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1117&=&context=pretrib_arch&=&sei-redir=1&referer=https%253A%252F%252Fwww.google.com%252Furl%253Fq%253Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fdigitalcommons.liberty.edu%252Fcgi%252Fviewcontent.cgi%25253Farticle%25253D1117%252526context%25253Dpretrib_arch%2526sa%253DU%2526sqi%253D2%2526ved%253D2ahUKEwiAoNDBzbz8AhVJh1wKHSUaC-UQFnoECAIQAQ%2526usg%253DAOvVaw3CNsOQfZak_vvz7FnlueGC#search=%22https%3A%2F%2Fdigitalcommons.liberty.edu%2Fcgi%2Fviewcontent.cgi%3Farticle%3D1117%26context%3Dpretrib_arch%22 ruclips.net/video/v2pO_Gg69Es/видео.html ruclips.net/video/mKFqQox-pSU/видео.html ruclips.net/video/9-8VNtXNhOU/видео.html ruclips.net/video/7pGlpJN59mk/видео.html ruclips.net/video/YZEas4ZbqFY/видео.html victorycc.com/media/5vgdczp/the-pre-tribulation-rapture
Absolutely! But the Scriptures seem to say over and over, it's at the end, at the last trumpet. As you noted, many Scriptures indicate that God's "few" jewels will be protected during this time, removed from it. But based on OT Israel, it could mean that we die prior to it. Like Hezekiah in 2 Chron. 32:26, or Josiah's death prior to Babylon's conquering of Judah. Scriptures similar to Rev. 3:10 include: Ps. 91, Mal. 3:17, Zeph 2:3, Is. 26:20, Ps. 27:5, 50:15, 57:1. Food for thought. If we keep reading our Bible, He'll help us understand it more.
Nope.. Chapters four and on of Revelation the church is there.... If you read and understand. If it weren't for the church.... Why is it there?? Read with discernment, not fear. The rapture happens, yes. But he who endures to the end well be saved.
@36:12 Hebrews 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many and UNTO THEM THAT LOOK FOR HIM SHALL HE APPEAR THE SECOND TIME without sin unto salvation Compare that verse to this verse Rev.1:7 behold he comes with the clouds and EVERY EYE SHALL SEE HIM and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him even so amen one verse speaks of him coming where only a select group see him appear the next verse speaks of his appearance and every eye shall see him
What David says about the rapture is that it will happen once only. And that we will go through the great tribulation. We won't be taken out of it to safety. We will meet Him in the air at his one and only coming. That is the new idea, that Jesus will return twice. I had been taught that Jesus would come twice and did find the host of different teaching confusing. So I decided that God knows and I could leave it to Him . Hallelujah ! Very conservative audience there , not one hallelujah from them !.Kayte.
Why we misunderstand the end times. 1. We interpret scriptures without taking cognisance it was written by Jews and interpret it as if it was speaking to us. For example. We forget it is a Jewish concept at the time the gospels were written that God lived in a house call the Temple was Jesus is alive. Hence that place is call “heaven” and the priest served him in a place call “earth”. Hence the temple was called “heaven and earth”. Hence when the Bible speaks about the end of heavens and earth, it speaks about the destruction of the temple. Not the end of the world. 2. Total disregard of the Old Testament. I was told when I was young that the locusts that appeared in Revelation was helicopters. I was also told that the sun will turn dark and the moon will turn red. And a trumpet shall sound. The truth is that Jesus is quoting Joel’s prophecy in Joel 2. Joel 2 starts with a trumpet blast shall sound. It is a warning about an army which resembles the locusts. It is Rome. The sun, moon and the stars is also mention there. It is simple Israel not the actual solar system. In Joseph’s dream Jacob was the sun, Leah the moon and the 11 stars his brothers. It simply means Israel was about to end. That happen in AD70. 3. A failure to understand the language of Scripture. The Bible does not speak about the end of the world. This is a mistranslation by the King James Version. The NIV gets it correct. It is the end of the age. To be more precise, it is the end of the age of the old covenant. God is called the king of the ages and lives from Age to age. Hebrews in chapter 6 speaks about an age to come. It does not speak about the end of the world. It is the mad preachers that speak about doom and gloom who tells you that. After all how are you going to inherit the earth when the earth is destroyed? 4. Bad media. Really is the world becoming a more evil place? Seriously we have advanced to be globally more civilised world haven’t we? In the days of the past, people will just kill you for speaking bad about them. In Jesus’s days women are considered outcasts of their husbands died. Remember how they treated the woman who was caught in adultery. Today we are much more decent. Seriously if you feel that the world has become a more evil place, would you like to lived in the age of Abraham where people just take your wife as they like? The problem is the media and the preachers. Every time something bad happens we attach an “end time” verse to it without care of context to it. 5. No idea of audience relevance. One of the bad habits that Christians have is always taking a verse out of its context. One of the reasons the book of Acts is placed before the epistles is because Jerome wanted all of us to know what happened to the apostles first before you know why they wrote those letters. Hence the letters there must be interpreted in accordance to the events which were happened in the book of Acts. So the question here is this. What is the “judgement that was eating the enemies of God” and “fiery indignation” referred in Hebrews 10? Why did he ask the Jews to go outside Jerusalem? Why did he speak about the saints in the past looking for a city in the sky? Who did he speak of as “together with us?” It was the believing Jews. They were told to leave the earthily Jerusalem then. This runs well with Jesus’s warning to the Jews to leave Jerusalem as Jerusalem is about to end its reign as the holy city of God. The reason for this is that Rome was about to invade Jerusalem. This line of understanding fits like a glove towards what is spoken in Revelation. Jesus spoke about his coming as imminent. In fact be said “it was about to take place”. Revelation in fact centres a theme of how the old Jerusalem is being replaced and that they were waiting for a new Jerusalem. This too is the theme of the book of Hebrews. It is also the theme of the 4 gospels as well. So Revelation in fact was written to tell the Jews to leave Jerusalem. 144,000 did.
@dafflad1 Jesus said he would return after the tribulation on the clouds and everyone will see him. He will come with his angles to gather his people the righteous dead and those who are alive and believe at the last trumpet after the tribulation. The world is getting worse and if you can't see how our liberties are being eroded where you can't even pray in your mind and you get arrested then you have your head in the sand. There is a heaven where Hod sits on his throne and his train of his robe fills the temple not the temple in Jerusalem which is suppose to be a representation of God's temple in heaven. We are heading fir datk days and Jesus warned us even saying that the great tribulation will be worse than anything that has ever hapoen on earth so far and that there won't be many humans left alive at his coming. I will make people scarcer than pure gold, more rare than the gold of Ophir. (Isaiah 13:12)
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. Notice they are called saints thousands of years before they would even be born. Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; Rev 7:10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. Rev 7:11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, Rev 7:12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. Rev 7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. John is seeing the Saints that were killed by the little horn/beast where is he seeing them? IN HEAVEN, they endured unto the end they were killed by the little horn/beast. This means that certain other things that are written have held true. Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Rom 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, Eph 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: Eph 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. By John seeing the tribulation saints in Heaven, that has certain implications, that the Tribulation saints, were predestinated, they were chosen before the foundation of the world, their names were written in the Lamb's Book of Life before the foundation of the world, just the fact of John seeing the tribulation saints in Heaven then all of those verses I just listed apply to them, and here is the kicker! If they were predestinated, chosen before the foundation of the world, their names in the Lamb's Book of Life before the Foundation of the world, then they are and were RAPTURE READY. We are the tribulations saints.
There were some of them which saw vision about Jesus Second coming in glory, Jhon saw it and wrote revelation, same as Paul. Same happend when Him said to his 12 disciples some of you don't die before see my glory and 8 days after only 3 of them saw Him in glory with Moises and Eliah on the mountain.
Right after that verse, Jesus took Peter, James and John to a mount where he was transfigured before them. They SAW Christ in his glorified state. Note, Moses and Elijah were seen in glory with Him. Also note, Moses is one who had died in the Lord and Elijah one who had not died. Thus, this is also a picture of what it will be like at the return of Christ - the dead in Christ will rise first, and those who are still alive shall be caught up together with them to meet the Lord in the air. However, all will "be like Him when we see Him" - transformed into glory. The Transfiguration was a foretaste of what the kingdom will be like.
A man of God such as this man, can walk into a demon infested false church as IHOP clearly is, and cause the Jesus of the Holy Bible to tell them, from it's own pulpit, and cause (MIke Bickle - worker for Satan), to sit up and pay attention. That (is) the power of Jesus Christ.
How ungodly and judgemental are your comments - whatever your views on Ihop there were many thousands of students sat in that audience listening and feeding off Davids teachings - and then took those teachings to the four corners of the earth. And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose
Revelations 14:14, the reaping of the saints 14 Again I looked, and this is what I saw: a white cloud, and sitting on the cloud was One like the Son of Man, with a crown of gold on His head and a sharp sickle in His hand. 15 And another angel came out of the temple, calling with a loud voice to Him who was sitting upon the cloud, “Put in Your sickle and reap , for the hour to reap has arrived, because the earth’s harvest is fully ripened.” 16 So He who was sitting on the cloud cast His sickle over the earth, and the earth was reaped. Do a search on reap, two things are reaped, saints and wrath, then read Revelation 14:17-20, yes we go trough tribulation but the grapes of wrath filling the seven bowls of WRATH but, I believe, we will will watch watch the bowels poured out on earth preparing to return with Jesus to establish his millennium. This is an opinion of an opinion, I would greatly appreciate any input with biblical references.
@@mikeworsley1773 If you see ANY dates let me know, otherwise read the WORD!, then tell me what You think Rev14: 14-20, I have read the Bible at least 20 times and have not come close to understanding it, a repentive, Jesus died form my sin, water baptized, filled with the Holy Spirit believer(if you don't understand this then read Pawson "Christian Birth". Give me your incites with verses(Pawson doesn't like verses but I do), no book refs.
@@carloscabildo3732 Revelation is John’s version of Matthew 24. Christ’s coming in judgement of Jerusalem in AD70 that He predicted in AD30 within that generation. The harlot drunk on the blood of the saints(Rev17) was destroyed and was replaced by a new Jerusalem and a new Temple destroyed and rebuilt in 3 days(Christ). Rev14 is describing the siege and destruction of Jerusalem as attested by Josephus and Eusebius…the covenant breakers were killed(1.1 million) and the Christians escaped to the hills of Judaea as Jesus told them to in Matthew 24 and Luke 21.
@@mikeworsley1773 Now that is an opinion, that is what I want to hear no mater how much I disagree. So the King is on the clouds in Rev 14:14, can you see that he is reaping the earth of the harvest, there is only one harvest and the angels gather. Math 24:29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His [d]elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. So it is layed out for you but you can not see?
@@carloscabildo3732 That is not an opinion: Jesus said to his disciples: ALL these things will happen in your generation in verse 34. Mr Pawson wanted to put a ‘gap’ in the 70 weeks which is why most of these talks are er, incorrect. Please read Isaiah 13 and Daniel 7. Jesus is quoting them in Matthew 24: the sun, moon and stars is judgement talk about Babylon and Daniel 7 was fulfilled in the Ascension.
The “last days” in the New Testament is from the day Jesus died till the destruction of Jerusalem. Satan is not the God of this world. He is the god of a former age. He is no longer in charge. Matthew 28:18: Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. The word “earth” in Revelation 1 as in the “whole earth shall see him” does not mean planet earth. It means the “land”. Reading in context it means Jerusalem. The world “it is finished” means the debt is paid or that the war had been won. It does not mean the Old Covenant ended there. God in his grace allowed the Gospel to be preached for a whole generation when he folded the Old Covenant. That’s why when you read your Bibles it says “it is fading away”. By now it has faded away. The term Mount Sinai is a term used to describe the old covenant. Specifically it was referring to Mount Jerusalem during Jesus’ generation. It is that Mountain that was thrown to the sea in Revelations 8. It is also the same mountain Jesus said “if you have faith, say to this mountain, be ye thrown into the sea”. When you read about the “elements of this world” it does not mean planet earth and the universe. It actually refers to the Old Covenant, the Temple and the City of Jerusalem. So when Peter tells you that the heavens and the stars will be destroyed, he was referring to the Old Covenant and its symbols. The seven headed serpent in the book of Revelation is not Satan. He is Rome or its 7 emperors of that time. When Jesus said the Gospel will be preached to the whole world, he used the world “οἰκουμένη”. It does not mean the whole world. It means the Roman world. Colossians 1:23: This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant. You see by Paul’s time every creature had already heard the Gospel. This does not mean our world it meant the world at his time. When Peter asked Jesus when was his “coming”, Peter had no idea Jesus would be resurrected. So it could not mean a 2nd coming. Jesus was referring to a different kind of coming. Psalms 18:9-11: He bowed the heavens also, and came down: and darkness was under his feet. And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: yea, he did fly upon the wings of the wind. He made darkness his secret place; his pavilion round about him were dark waters and thick clouds of the skies. Peter was referring to when Jesus as the king of the Jews was going to judge Jerusalem at his first coming. The mark of the beast is a practice used in the time of Rome in a market place called the Agora. Merchants there were forced to worship a statue of Nero. Upon doing so you are marked on your forehead or your right hand with ashes. Those who refuse to worship the statue were refused entry. Hence they could not buy and sell.
@@elijahkriss7115 Why we misunderstand the end times. 1. We interpret scriptures without taking cognisance it was written by Jews and interpret it as if it was speaking to us. For example. We forget it is a Jewish concept at the time the gospels were written that God lived in a house call the Temple was Jesus is alive. Hence that place is call “heaven” and the priest served him in a place call “earth”. Hence the temple was called “heaven and earth”. Hence when the Bible speaks about the end of heavens and earth, it speaks about the destruction of the temple. Not the end of the world. 2. Total disregard of the Old Testament. I was told when I was young that the locusts that appeared in Revelation was helicopters. I was also told that the sun will turn dark and the moon will turn red. And a trumpet shall sound. The truth is that Jesus is quoting Joel’s prophecy in Joel 2. Joel 2 starts with a trumpet blast shall sound. It is a warning about an army which resembles the locusts. It is Rome. The sun, moon and the stars is also mention there. It is simple Israel not the actual solar system. In Joseph’s dream Jacob was the sun, Leah the moon and the 11 stars his brothers. It simply means Israel was about to end. That happen in AD70. 3. A failure to understand the language of Scripture. The Bible does not speak about the end of the world. This is a mistranslation by the King James Version. The NIV gets it correct. It is the end of the age. To be more precise, it is the end of the age of the old covenant. God is called the king of the ages and lives from Age to age. Hebrews in chapter 6 speaks about an age to come. It does not speak about the end of the world. It is the mad preachers that speak about doom and gloom who tells you that. After all how are you going to inherit the earth when the earth is destroyed? 4. Bad media. Really is the world becoming a more evil place? Seriously we have advanced to be globally more civilised world haven’t we? In the days of the past, people will just kill you for speaking bad about them. In Jesus’s days women are considered outcasts of their husbands died. Remember how they treated the woman who was caught in adultery. Today we are much more decent. Seriously if you feel that the world has become a more evil place, would you like to lived in the age of Abraham where people just take your wife as they like? The problem is the media and the preachers. Every time something bad happens we attach an “end time” verse to it without care of context to it. 5. No idea of audience relevance. One of the bad habits that Christians have is always taking a verse out of its context. One of the reasons the book of Acts is placed before the epistles is because Jerome wanted all of us to know what happened to the apostles first before you know why they wrote those letters. Hence the letters there must be interpreted in accordance to the events which were happened in the book of Acts. So the question here is this. What is the “judgement that was eating the enemies of God” and “fiery indignation” referred in Hebrews 10? Why did he ask the Jews to go outside Jerusalem? Why did he speak about the saints in the past looking for a city in the sky? Who did he speak of as “together with us?” It was the believing Jews. They were told to leave the earthily Jerusalem then. This runs well with Jesus’s warning to the Jews to leave Jerusalem as Jerusalem is about to end its reign as the holy city of God. The reason for this is that Rome was about to invade Jerusalem. This line of understanding fits like a glove towards what is spoken in Revelation. Jesus spoke about his coming as imminent. In fact be said “it was about to take place”. Revelation in fact centres a theme of how the old Jerusalem is being replaced and that they were waiting for a new Jerusalem. This too is the theme of the book of Hebrews. It is also the theme of the 4 gospels as well. So Revelation in fact was written to tell the Jews to leave Jerusalem. 144,000 did.
David Pawson brought me to Christ a few years before he passed. I can’t wait to see him in Heaven. No one has ever come as close to teaching me as this incredible servant of God! 🙏🏻💕✝️
David is the first human whom I’ll hug when I get to Heaven. :) a true blessing to humanity!
This man is so anointed! So grateful I found his videos
I found his videos about a month before he went to heaven. I have been so blessed by his teachings.
What a gentle and humble servant of God..really love his teaching...
PRAISE GOD
I WILL NEVER GET BORED LISTENING DAVID PAWSON.
Wonderful teaching, a blessed servant of God
Such an elegant teacher David. I enjoy every word appreciate that were spoken. Praise the Lord🙏
This is the most biblical teaching I’ve heard on this topic.
What a wonderful teacher of Gods word..what a blessing these sermons are..🙏🙏
I'm listening to these for a 2nd and in some places third time. What a revelation. No pun intended! Thank you, David. God bless you and your family.
What a great teacher I was in belief of the raptor he has open my eyes sad he is not with us now 😢
This teaching was recorded as around 2011, rather than the date of 2016, and reposted 2019. David would now advance things to a closer time. No one can ask or know the exact hour or day until it's implemented by the Holy one, but please understand we must have lamps of oil to enter with the Lord. Read, study, learn, and...follow asap. Peace be with all. Amen
Mr. Pawson would've never spoken at Mike Bickle's church had knew more about Mike and the new apostolic reformation
@@aservant2287 Hi 2287. I know not Mike or his teaching, and all thats written is where we shall be, but only by the Will of God. Thanks. Peace be with you.
What is the lamp of oil in the 10 virgins? Could you share?
@@Logic807 Hi
There are many parables noted by the Lord in the Bible. Jesus did note “foolish virgins who had no oil” and Jesus (the Groom) says to them “Assuredly I say to you, I do not know you.”
Please understand Christ has asked us to follow him. If we say we do by living our own lives how we like the Lord said in Luke 13: 27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are: depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
This is a typical example of a Human life. Read Mark 4: and understand we must see and understand what the lord will be forced into doing with those who think one thing and do another.
We should always follow Christ by reading the word of God, as Christ is the word/God himself and the Lord is the pathway of Light and the Oil lamp/candle should not be hidden but there to give light to all who read and follow. Be good as Jesus is and repent all evil/wrong doings and use a good church to give weekly praise to our Lord. Day of the Lord return is pending soon. Peace be with all who follow the true word of God. Amen.
Oil, in scripture, is often associated with the Holy Spirit.
The 10 virgins all believed….now read it with the Holy Spirit in mind. I pray that helps.
Truly a blessing to listen to. Thank you God for people like David Pawson blessed by Holy Spirit and Spreading your word with wisdom and your guidance. Thank you Jesus blessing us through your word and your great Evangelists. Hallelujah.
If he only knew what was coming 4 years later, POWERFUL MAN OF GOD 🙏, AMAZING TEACHING'S, LOVE TO HERE HIM TEACH, GOD BLESSED HIM WITH MANY HEALTHY YEARS TO BE ONE OF THE GREATS IN GOD'S END TIME ARMY OF SAINTS!
RIP, PASTOR DAVID PAWSON! You are the best, love you always ❤️, 🙏💔🇺🇸
Wow! What a message! I tremble at the magnificence of God‘s WISDOM! Thank you, Lord for opening my eyes to the liberating truth in your Word!
When the Message of a Preacher Centers on Christ and His Great Glory and Kingdom...It is Truly Life Transforming. Bread without Yeast..Fresh Water that Quenches Every Thirst.
David is a man of God who has a deep wisdom. Just a few like him on this planet.
Respect
thank God for David
I've read some of Hal Lindsey's books even went to hear him speak, never realizing what some of his teachings were about of course that was 50 years ago when I was just a babe in the woods. God Bless David he is one awesome teacher. Amen.
God bless!
I’d like to hear this Pastor read scripture and then interpret it.
Pastor Derek Prince is a good example of Bible teaching.
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Hi if you listen to his audio recordings he does read sh rupture before many talks - with video it was decided to leave the viewer to read scripture as time is short to meet TV timings - he would often speak for a full 90 mins when he spoke in church - captured in the audio recordings
I do believe in the persecution of the present day church in all the world , not just china and Arab countries. Some years ago, at least twenty , I had two dreams . in the first I was standing in a queue for Christians waiting to go into a Colosseum like p!ace where Christians were being killed by lions. But I felt God saying to me that I needn't be afraid because He would be with me. So I wasn't upset or frightened by it . I just kept it in my heart until it should happen , if it does. I am not certain that it will , but I've had other prophetic dreams which did come true in the past. Then I had a dream about being burnt on a fire built for the purpose , and again being reassured that God would be with me so not being frightened. As there were two different methods of death it seems reasonable to conclude that it is not necessarily literal. But definitely I think a warning of persecution to come. Thank you David for your clarity , biblical scholarship and realism. God bless you Kayte
Interesting dreams, ty for sharing.
Thank the Lord for the teachers of His Word that He has formed to teach the truth, the true message. Certainly the Bible clearly shows that the second coming of Christ will be immediately after the great tribulation, not before.
Matthew 17:11
And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elijah or Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things🕊️
I had a dream about the rapture too. Just meeting the Lord in the air. Mind you I have lots of dreams about flying too. Sometimes easily. Sometimes with difficulty , meeting obstructions, wires etc in the air. I guess that's spiritual warfare, symbolism. Kayte
sold out for Jesus , that's where we must be. The bride of Christ making herself ready for our bridegroom , that's exciting , I'm eagerly awaiting His coming . our lovely Jesus . Hallelujah He has redeemed me , washed me in His blood , made me His friend . A friend of God.. ! wonderful. Matthew 24v14 when we do our thing the end will come. in Revelation 19 , the bride has made herself ready , then the King of Kings is revealed. Peter says we hasten the day of the Lord. we are in the 3rd day by Peters time reckoning , that's the day He rose again. Hallelujah. I will see Jesus return , meanwhile I'm going to be proclaiming the good news of the Kingdom of Heaven . Oh Glory , I feel so compelled to share the awesome , amazing Love of God.
A true servant of Yeshua.
David makes some excellent points on the rapture but it still does not answer why God will have two witnesses during the time Satin has full control of the earth. Unlike other periods of Christian persecution past, present and still to come Satin didn't have full control of the earth. I believe it could be ether way but I'm still leaning toward the rapture because Christ doesn't have to come down to rapture His church ( His bride ) but only has to call the church out of the world and He can do that from Heaven.
Hi Charles the key to this is the question “what does the Bible say? “
Sometimes it is better not to reason and compare with history ......as with stocks and shares .....history is no indication of the future
- there has never been an event like this before and a lot of it will only make sense when it happens
We are taught more to be ready rather than to understand
David had many of his own questions he could not answer and there were many questions I asked him for which he would say - all will be revealed in the fullness of time
But it’s great to observe your keenness and passion to know the Truth ! May the Lord give your wisdom !
Revelations 14:14, the reaping of the saints
14 Again I looked, and this is what I saw: a white cloud, and sitting on the cloud was One like the Son of Man, with a crown of gold on His head and a sharp sickle in His hand. 15 And another angel came out of the temple, calling with a loud voice to Him who was sitting upon the cloud, “Put in Your sickle and reap , for the hour to reap has arrived, because the earth’s harvest is fully ripened.” 16 So He who was sitting on the cloud cast His sickle over the earth, and the earth was reaped.
Do a search on reap, two things are reaped, saints and wrath, then read Revelation 14:17-20, yes we go trough tribulation but the grapes of wrath filling the seven bowls of WRATH but, I believe, we will will watch watch the bowels poured out on earth preparing to return with Jesus to establish his millennium.
This is an opinion of an opinion, I would greatly appreciate any input with biblical references.
27:45 I cannot find in the bible any signs of Jesus coming back twice
The You tube link below is about the "7 Pretrib Problems and the Prewrath Rapture (Full Movie)."
I wish i could find the part 1& 2 also.
Hi - Our apologies - we have not titled the series very well - you can find the other parts of this series via this link
- we will change the titles and add a play list for the future - Thank you for bringing this to our attention
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Hi - this is actually a rough unedited version of the series the finished series can be found here ruclips.net/p/PLfk5IZQHKovIFfWGYZKUoQi8GBlQaZokG
Amen
@min.50:55 - how to invest your money
beyond the grave. I took Cornelius the centurion as an example and sent money to Jewish charities. No site
of angels yet, lovingkindness, yes,
plus other heavenly benefits on the side.
Genesis 12:3 is the door to God's Heart!!!
It was great listening to you, brother David! I appreciate the time you dedicated to God's Word and to teach other people His Word. May your faith and works be rewarded by the Good God from which all good things come.
However, if you don't mind me disagreeing with you, I wasn't particularly convinced by your arguments that the Church will go through the tribulation.
I think you missed some very important points in regards to the rapture and pretribulationism.
1. Lord Jesus said that He Himself does not know when that day will come, but only the Father, who is in Heavens, knows. This means clearly that we don't know when the rapture will come. If we guide ourselves by the Great Tribulation and we believe the church will go through it, then we pretty much know when the rapture will happen since we know that the tribulation came and for how long does it last. We can deduct that after the 7 years tribulation ends, the rapture will happen. So this would invalidate what Jesus said about that day that nobody knows of, except for the Father in heavens.
2. There is a distinction between the coming of the Lord and the day of the Lord. The rapture will happen with the coming of the Lord. Also, the rapture is for the believers of Christ whom will either be resurrected, either be transfigured at His coming to rapture the Church. The day of the Lord, however, will be when Christ will come as a Judge and all eyes will see Him. This will happen in front of the whole world.
3. What's the point of being vigilant in our faith if we know when the rapture will come, meaning after the tribulation? Yes, I understand that we must be vigilant because we don't know the day when we'll leave this life and we must be prepared, but that's not the only reason for which we must be vigilant. We must be prepared also because of the coming of Christ like a thief in the night (for the coming of Christ or the rapture), and not like a Judge that all eyes will see (for the day of the Lord or the day of Judgment).
4. Lord Jesus said that the final days will be like the days of Noah and the days of Lot. What happened then will happen during the rapture as well. Noah and Lot were people God wanted to save from the tribulation coming upon the places where they lived. And they were saved in the last moment, just before God's punishment came upon the godless people surrounding these men and their families. So if the Church would have to go through the tribulation, then Jesus's analogy to these events wouldn't make sense.
5. Writing to the Church in Philadelphia, Lord Jesus is saying this: “Because thou didst keep the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of trial, that hour which is to come upon the whole world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.” Revelation 3:10 ASV. If this message is for one of His churches, then this must be a promise for all of them, because they all have the same Head and Christ and His message is for all His believers.
6. You said in the first part of this series that there are foretastes and fulfilments. I believe what you described about the Church in China was a foretaste of the persecution happening during the Great Tribulation, not a fulfilment of it. If it would be a fulfilment, then it means we are already in the Great Tribulation, although you said we are not in it yet for there are still signs of the times to be fulfilled.
7. Personally, and this is just a personal perspective, the Church and Israel will not go through the same events. He came to His own and His own did not welcome Him. This meaning that Israel rejected Christ for they wanted a powerful leader, a military and political leader to rule with them over the world. So God will let them have this leader in the person of the Antichrist so they can see that they desired wrong and they rejected the true Messiah when He lived amongst them. The Antichrist will be, at first, the embodiment of what they desired, but then he will reveal his real face and turn into their ultimate persecutor. This is what it says in the book of Daniel, chapter 12.
On the other side, for all those that have welcomed Christ as their Lord and Saviour, they don't need any other lord or leader, for they already know the One and Only True Lord and Leader, Jesus Christ.
This is just a personal opinion that I held right now. I'm not saying it's necessarily valid and absolute, but it makes sense for me and it connects some dots in my mind.
There might be some other points to make, so I don't believe I have exhausted the list with these ones. But I consider them to be worth addressing and worth taking into consideration.
Also, there are a lot of flaws with the post-tribulationist view that you hold, beside the arguments I already brought into discussion. What is the millenium? Is it literal? Is it allegorical? When will it happen or it will ever happen? You left a lot of questions unanswered and didn't do much justice to any of these perspectives. There are plenty of verses in the Bible that should've been approached and looked into that just weren't addressed.
So, with all due respect for your great insights and teachings on other things, I have to strongly disagree with you on this subject. I'm not 100% certain that the Church will escape the Great Tribulation, it wouldn't be honest from my side to dismiss other views on this matter, but I have plenty of verses and leads that help me incline towards this perspective of pretribulationism and the rapture of the Church before the Great Tribulation. This is not an absolute and ultimate view, though. I remain open to criticism and arguments against it. I came to watch this video in the hope that I'll be convinced otherwise or, at least, that the above arguments will be addressed. Sadly, it wasn't the case and I'm a bit disappointed.
Other than that, may the Lord grant us all with eternal life through His Son, our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ! Amen.
Also, I found this Bible study to be very helpful and relevant on this topic: ruclips.net/video/7pGlpJN59mk/видео.html&ab_channel=SearchlightwithJonCourson
I would recommend everyone interested on this topic to watch it
Firstly The Lord instructed Noah to build an Ark - he did not tell him when the flood would come but to be prepared. Noah was not surprised when the flood came
In Matthew 24/25 Jesus is addressing believers - not Jews, and Jesus warns Christians of the signs that will innate his return - If Christians are to be raptured why is Jesus warning them ?
As you state Jesus says one knows the time or the hour but HE does forward us of the signs to "keep watch" - when we see these signs we will know that Jesus is coming soon
You are correct that if Davids teaching is correct that Christians will not be spared the Great Tribulation - when the Great Tribulation comes we are told how long it will last but but not a day or a time just3 and a half years - the fact we do not know when the great Trouble will comes - concurs with Jesus that we dont know when Jesus will return .....
Christians have been persecuted since the time of Christ and, in some parts of the world today, Christians are dying for their faith eg Iran and Muslim Countries. Christians have never been spared from persecution.
Jesus warns us in Matthew 24 that at this time many will turn away from their faith, which can only mean Christians will tan away from their faith ...ie not spared Jesus says "He who stands firm to the end will be saved". meaning Christina will have to stand firm during these times Mt 24:13 Why would Christ say that if Christians are to be spared the trouble ?
Then if we go to Rev 3 we are told of a specific church that will be spared the trouble that is coming but that is one church not all churches and again if you accept Davids teaching - that prophecy has been fulfilled and the church of Philadelphia were spared the trouble that came and went through persecution by the Roman Empire
One of the key recurring messages of the Book of Revelation is that "He who overcomes will be saved". future ..... which is consistent with Matthew 24 13 - future,
I would not dismiss Davids position too easily - Those who prepare for the great tribulation will not be surprised - this who believe that they will Raptured before the great trouble comes, may be very surprised and disappointed.
The pre trib teaching is a false teaching. We are to be watchers and know rhe seasons. He will come like a theft fir those who are not expecting Him but fir those who know the season will be ready for his coming. That day that great and incredible day the second coming Jesus return are all one event. Never is there mentioned a 3rd time there is only one second coming when Jesus returns after the tribulation with his angles to gather his people the righteous dead and those who are alive and believe at the last trumpet after the tribulation. That is what JESUS SAID.
@@penelopelucas4973 Thank you for your kind comment. Still, neither you, neither the one who manages this channel, haven’t addressed properly the points I made.
Since my first comment, I studied a bit even more on this topic and I have even more reasons to believe that the rapture of the church will happen and it will happen before the great tribulation.
The rapture of the Church is not the second coming of Christ. The understanding of this event is in it’s title: the church will be snatched up, caught up, raptured to Christ. The second coming of Christ will happen after the tribulation, indeed.
Also, you mentioned the last trumpet. That’s the strongest argument for a mid-tribulation rapture, not a post-tribulation rapture. After the 7th trumpet described in Rev. 11:15 there are still other events to happen before the tribulation is over. But the trumpet apostle Paul refers to in 1 Cor 15:52 is not the 7th trumpet from Rev. 11:15, but God’s own trumpet described in 1 Thess 4:16.
There are plenty of arguments for this position, if only you want to be honest, not biased, with them.
If you already have an a priori perspective, then you will manipulate the arguments in your favour and do no justice to the biblical message, because you will look into the Bible at passages that you believe suit your perspective and interpret them not according to their original message, but to your perspective.
If you can, I would recommend looking over all the eschatological texts in the Bible and let them speak their message. Try to withhold your post-trib bias and you may find another point of view. Also, watch these Bible studies that can help you see beyond your perspective.
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It makes me depressed knowing that so many ppl will end up in Hell.
I believe the rapture will happen. It's in many Scriptures. Revelation the church of Philadelphia. Is where it happens.
Yes, the rapture most definitely WILL happen. There are just way too many scriptures that talk about it
Absolutely! But the Scriptures seem to say over and over, it's at the end, at the last trumpet.
As you noted, many Scriptures indicate that God's "few" jewels will be protected during this time, removed from it. But based on OT Israel, it could mean that we die prior to it. Like Hezekiah in 2 Chron. 32:26, or Josiah's death prior to Babylon's conquering of Judah.
Scriptures similar to Rev. 3:10 include: Ps. 91, Mal. 3:17, Zeph 2:3, Is. 26:20, Ps. 27:5, 50:15, 57:1.
Food for thought. If we keep reading our Bible, He'll help us understand it more.
@@kristabrewer6736 Hi Krista, I responded in this chain to your comment above, sorry it seems to gave posted below. Sarah
Nope.. Chapters four and on of Revelation the church is there.... If you read and understand. If it weren't for the church.... Why is it there?? Read with discernment, not fear.
The rapture happens, yes. But he who endures to the end well be saved.
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Hebrews 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many and UNTO THEM THAT LOOK FOR HIM SHALL HE APPEAR THE SECOND TIME without sin unto salvation
Compare that verse to this verse
Rev.1:7 behold he comes with the clouds and EVERY EYE SHALL SEE HIM and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him even so amen
one verse speaks of him coming where only a select group see him appear
the next verse speaks of his appearance and every eye shall see him
What David says about the rapture is that it will happen once only. And that we will go through the great tribulation. We won't be taken out of it to safety. We will meet Him in the air at his one and only coming. That is the new idea, that Jesus will return twice. I had been taught that Jesus would come twice and did find the host of different teaching confusing. So I decided that God knows and I could leave it to Him . Hallelujah ! Very conservative audience there , not one hallelujah from them !.Kayte.
Why we misunderstand the end times.
1. We interpret scriptures without taking cognisance it was written by Jews and interpret it as if it was speaking to us.
For example. We forget it is a Jewish concept at the time the gospels were written that God lived in a house call the Temple was Jesus is alive. Hence that place is call “heaven” and the priest served him in a place call “earth”. Hence the temple was called “heaven and earth”.
Hence when the Bible speaks about the end of heavens and earth, it speaks about the destruction of the temple. Not the end of the world.
2. Total disregard of the Old Testament.
I was told when I was young that the locusts that appeared in Revelation was helicopters.
I was also told that the sun will turn dark and the moon will turn red.
And a trumpet shall sound.
The truth is that Jesus is quoting Joel’s prophecy in Joel 2.
Joel 2 starts with a trumpet blast shall sound. It is a warning about an army which resembles the locusts. It is Rome.
The sun, moon and the stars is also mention there. It is simple Israel not the actual solar system. In Joseph’s dream Jacob was the sun, Leah the moon and the 11 stars his brothers. It simply means Israel was about to end. That happen in AD70.
3. A failure to understand the language of Scripture.
The Bible does not speak about the end of the world. This is a mistranslation by the King James Version.
The NIV gets it correct. It is the end of the age. To be more precise, it is the end of the age of the old covenant.
God is called the king of the ages and lives from
Age to age.
Hebrews in chapter 6 speaks about an age to come. It does not speak about the end of the world. It is the mad preachers that speak about doom and gloom who tells you that.
After all how are you going to inherit the earth when the earth is destroyed?
4. Bad media.
Really is the world becoming a more evil place?
Seriously we have advanced to be globally more civilised world haven’t we?
In the days of the past, people will just kill you for speaking bad about them.
In Jesus’s days women are considered outcasts of their husbands died. Remember how they treated the woman who was caught in adultery. Today we are much more decent.
Seriously if you feel that the world has become a more evil place, would you like to lived in the age of Abraham where people just take your wife as they like?
The problem is the media and the preachers. Every time something bad happens we attach an “end time” verse to it without care of context to it.
5. No idea of audience relevance.
One of the bad habits that Christians have is always taking a verse out of its context. One of the reasons the book of Acts is placed before the epistles is because Jerome wanted all of us to know what happened to the apostles first before you know why they wrote those letters.
Hence the letters there must be interpreted in accordance to the events which were happened in the book of Acts.
So the question here is this. What is the “judgement that was eating the enemies of God” and “fiery indignation” referred in Hebrews 10?
Why did he ask the Jews to go outside Jerusalem? Why did he speak about the saints in the past looking for a city in the sky?
Who did he speak of as “together with us?” It was the believing Jews. They were told to leave the earthily Jerusalem then.
This runs well with Jesus’s warning to the Jews to leave Jerusalem as Jerusalem is about to end its reign as the holy city of God.
The reason for this is that Rome was about to invade Jerusalem. This line of understanding fits like a glove towards what is spoken in Revelation.
Jesus spoke about his coming as imminent. In fact be said “it was about to take place”.
Revelation in fact centres a theme of how the old Jerusalem is being replaced and that they were waiting for a new Jerusalem. This too is the theme of the book of Hebrews.
It is also the theme of the 4 gospels as well. So Revelation in fact was written to tell the Jews to leave Jerusalem. 144,000 did.
@dafflad1 Jesus said he would return after the tribulation on the clouds and everyone will see him. He will come with his angles to gather his people the righteous dead and those who are alive and believe at the last trumpet after the tribulation. The world is getting worse and if you can't see how our liberties are being eroded where you can't even pray in your mind and you get arrested then you have your head in the sand. There is a heaven where Hod sits on his throne and his train of his robe fills the temple not the temple in Jerusalem which is suppose to be a representation of God's temple in heaven. We are heading fir datk days and Jesus warned us even saying that the great tribulation will be worse than anything that has ever hapoen on earth so far and that there won't be many humans left alive at his coming. I will make people scarcer than pure gold, more rare than the gold of Ophir. (Isaiah 13:12)
the fathers of the church in the first century spoke and wrote about the rapture. therefore it is simply not true that it is a new concept.
I missed that bit where David says it's a new concept. Where abouts is that?
JulieJackson1
from 20.30 onwards
Thanks
Where did they speak about it?
The reason why Thessalonians abstained from working was because early chrch believed in imminency
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Notice they are called saints thousands of years before they would even be born.
Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
Rev 7:10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
Rev 7:11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
Rev 7:12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
Rev 7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
John is seeing the Saints that were killed by the little horn/beast where is he seeing them? IN HEAVEN, they endured unto the end they were killed by the little horn/beast.
This means that certain other things that are written have held true.
Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Rom 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified
Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Eph 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
Eph 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
By John seeing the tribulation saints in Heaven, that has certain implications, that the Tribulation saints, were predestinated, they were chosen before the foundation of the world, their names were written in the Lamb's Book of Life before the foundation of the world, just the fact of John seeing the tribulation saints in Heaven then all of those verses I just listed apply to them, and here is the kicker!
If they were predestinated, chosen before the foundation of the world, their names in the Lamb's Book of Life before the Foundation of the world, then they are and were RAPTURE READY.
We are the tribulations saints.
Mathew 16:28. says "Some of you will not taste death" what did it mean
There were some of them which saw vision about Jesus Second coming in glory, Jhon saw it and wrote revelation, same as Paul. Same happend when Him said to his 12 disciples some of you don't die before see my glory and 8 days after only 3 of them saw Him in glory with Moises and Eliah on the mountain.
Right after that verse, Jesus took Peter, James and John to a mount where he was transfigured before them. They SAW Christ in his glorified state. Note, Moses and Elijah were seen in glory with Him. Also note, Moses is one who had died in the Lord and Elijah one who had not died. Thus, this is also a picture of what it will be like at the return of Christ - the dead in Christ will rise first, and those who are still alive shall be caught up together with them to meet the Lord in the air. However, all will "be like Him when we see Him" - transformed into glory. The Transfiguration was a foretaste of what the kingdom will be like.
@@barramundi4604 best interpretation yet!
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A man of God such as this man, can walk into a demon infested false church as IHOP clearly is, and cause the Jesus of the Holy Bible to tell them, from it's own pulpit, and cause (MIke Bickle - worker for Satan), to sit up and pay attention. That (is) the power of Jesus Christ.
How ungodly and judgemental are your comments - whatever your views on Ihop there were many thousands of students sat in that audience listening and feeding off Davids teachings - and then took those teachings to the four corners of the earth.
And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose
I wish people would not repeat the lies concerning the Jews and German occupation
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Revelations 14:14, the reaping of the saints
14 Again I looked, and this is what I saw: a white cloud, and sitting on the cloud was One like the Son of Man, with a crown of gold on His head and a sharp sickle in His hand. 15 And another angel came out of the temple, calling with a loud voice to Him who was sitting upon the cloud, “Put in Your sickle and reap , for the hour to reap has arrived, because the earth’s harvest is fully ripened.” 16 So He who was sitting on the cloud cast His sickle over the earth, and the earth was reaped.
Do a search on reap, two things are reaped, saints and wrath, then read Revelation 14:17-20, yes we go trough tribulation but the grapes of wrath filling the seven bowls of WRATH but, I believe, we will will watch watch the bowels poured out on earth preparing to return with Jesus to establish his millennium.
This is an opinion of an opinion, I would greatly appreciate any input with biblical references.
And your assignment, should you wish to accept it is….Read ‘Last Day’s Madness’ by Gary Demar…….
@@mikeworsley1773 If you see ANY dates let me know, otherwise read the WORD!, then tell me what You think Rev14: 14-20, I have read the Bible at least 20 times and have not come close to understanding it, a repentive, Jesus died form my sin, water baptized, filled with the Holy Spirit believer(if you don't understand this then read Pawson "Christian Birth". Give me your incites with verses(Pawson doesn't like verses but I do), no book refs.
@@carloscabildo3732 Revelation is John’s version of Matthew 24. Christ’s coming in judgement of Jerusalem in AD70 that He predicted in AD30 within that generation. The harlot drunk on the blood of the saints(Rev17) was destroyed and was replaced by a new Jerusalem and a new Temple destroyed and rebuilt in 3 days(Christ). Rev14 is describing the siege and destruction of Jerusalem as attested by Josephus and Eusebius…the covenant breakers were killed(1.1 million) and the Christians escaped to the hills of Judaea as Jesus told them to in Matthew 24 and Luke 21.
@@mikeworsley1773 Now that is an opinion, that is what I want to hear no mater how much I disagree. So the King is on the clouds in Rev 14:14, can you see that he is reaping the earth of the harvest, there is only one harvest and the angels gather.
Math 24:29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His [d]elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
So it is layed out for you but you can not see?
@@carloscabildo3732 That is not an opinion: Jesus said to his disciples: ALL these things will happen in your generation in verse 34. Mr Pawson wanted to put a ‘gap’ in the 70 weeks which is why most of these talks are er, incorrect. Please read Isaiah 13 and Daniel 7. Jesus is quoting them in Matthew 24: the sun, moon and stars is judgement talk about Babylon and Daniel 7 was fulfilled in the Ascension.
The “last days” in the New Testament is from the day Jesus died till the destruction of Jerusalem.
Satan is not the God of this world. He is the god of a former age. He is no longer in charge. Matthew 28:18: Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
The word “earth” in Revelation 1 as in the “whole earth shall see him” does not mean planet earth. It means the “land”. Reading in context it means Jerusalem.
The world “it is finished” means the debt is paid or that the war had been won. It does not mean the Old Covenant ended there. God in his grace allowed the Gospel to be preached for a whole generation when he folded the Old Covenant. That’s why when you read your Bibles it says “it is fading away”. By now it has faded away.
The term Mount Sinai is a term used to describe the old covenant. Specifically it was referring to Mount Jerusalem during Jesus’ generation. It is that Mountain that was thrown to the sea in Revelations 8. It is also the same mountain Jesus said “if you have faith, say to this mountain, be ye thrown into the sea”.
When you read about the “elements of this world” it does not mean planet earth and the universe. It actually refers to the Old Covenant, the Temple and the City of Jerusalem. So when Peter tells you that the heavens and the stars will be destroyed, he was referring to the Old Covenant and its symbols.
The seven headed serpent in the book of Revelation is not Satan. He is Rome or its 7 emperors of that time.
When Jesus said the Gospel will be preached to the whole world, he used the world “οἰκουμένη”. It does not mean the whole world. It means the Roman world. Colossians 1:23: This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant. You see by Paul’s time every creature had already heard the Gospel. This does not mean our world it meant the world at his time.
When Peter asked Jesus when was his “coming”, Peter had no idea Jesus would be resurrected. So it could not mean a 2nd coming. Jesus was referring to a different kind of coming. Psalms 18:9-11: He bowed the heavens also, and came down: and darkness was under his feet. And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: yea, he did fly upon the wings of the wind. He made darkness his secret place; his pavilion round about him were dark waters and thick clouds of the skies. Peter was referring to when Jesus as the king of the Jews was going to judge Jerusalem at his first coming.
The mark of the beast is a practice used in the time of Rome in a market place called the Agora. Merchants there were forced to worship a statue of Nero. Upon doing so you are marked on your forehead or your right hand with ashes. Those who refuse to worship the statue were refused entry. Hence they could not buy and sell.
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@@elijahkriss7115 Why we misunderstand the end times.
1. We interpret scriptures without taking cognisance it was written by Jews and interpret it as if it was speaking to us.
For example. We forget it is a Jewish concept at the time the gospels were written that God lived in a house call the Temple was Jesus is alive. Hence that place is call “heaven” and the priest served him in a place call “earth”. Hence the temple was called “heaven and earth”.
Hence when the Bible speaks about the end of heavens and earth, it speaks about the destruction of the temple. Not the end of the world.
2. Total disregard of the Old Testament.
I was told when I was young that the locusts that appeared in Revelation was helicopters.
I was also told that the sun will turn dark and the moon will turn red.
And a trumpet shall sound.
The truth is that Jesus is quoting Joel’s prophecy in Joel 2.
Joel 2 starts with a trumpet blast shall sound. It is a warning about an army which resembles the locusts. It is Rome.
The sun, moon and the stars is also mention there. It is simple Israel not the actual solar system. In Joseph’s dream Jacob was the sun, Leah the moon and the 11 stars his brothers. It simply means Israel was about to end. That happen in AD70.
3. A failure to understand the language of Scripture.
The Bible does not speak about the end of the world. This is a mistranslation by the King James Version.
The NIV gets it correct. It is the end of the age. To be more precise, it is the end of the age of the old covenant.
God is called the king of the ages and lives from
Age to age.
Hebrews in chapter 6 speaks about an age to come. It does not speak about the end of the world. It is the mad preachers that speak about doom and gloom who tells you that.
After all how are you going to inherit the earth when the earth is destroyed?
4. Bad media.
Really is the world becoming a more evil place?
Seriously we have advanced to be globally more civilised world haven’t we?
In the days of the past, people will just kill you for speaking bad about them.
In Jesus’s days women are considered outcasts of their husbands died. Remember how they treated the woman who was caught in adultery. Today we are much more decent.
Seriously if you feel that the world has become a more evil place, would you like to lived in the age of Abraham where people just take your wife as they like?
The problem is the media and the preachers. Every time something bad happens we attach an “end time” verse to it without care of context to it.
5. No idea of audience relevance.
One of the bad habits that Christians have is always taking a verse out of its context. One of the reasons the book of Acts is placed before the epistles is because Jerome wanted all of us to know what happened to the apostles first before you know why they wrote those letters.
Hence the letters there must be interpreted in accordance to the events which were happened in the book of Acts.
So the question here is this. What is the “judgement that was eating the enemies of God” and “fiery indignation” referred in Hebrews 10?
Why did he ask the Jews to go outside Jerusalem? Why did he speak about the saints in the past looking for a city in the sky?
Who did he speak of as “together with us?” It was the believing Jews. They were told to leave the earthily Jerusalem then.
This runs well with Jesus’s warning to the Jews to leave Jerusalem as Jerusalem is about to end its reign as the holy city of God.
The reason for this is that Rome was about to invade Jerusalem. This line of understanding fits like a glove towards what is spoken in Revelation.
Jesus spoke about his coming as imminent. In fact be said “it was about to take place”.
Revelation in fact centres a theme of how the old Jerusalem is being replaced and that they were waiting for a new Jerusalem. This too is the theme of the book of Hebrews.
It is also the theme of the 4 gospels as well. So Revelation in fact was written to tell the Jews to leave Jerusalem. 144,000 did.
Amen