The Best Couples in History - Valentine's Day Special
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- Опубликовано: 30 май 2024
- Happy Valentine's Day! Celebrate the history of Love with a rundown of these outstanding couples - for better and for worse.
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Sailor Neptune and Sailor Uranus: "they made us COUSINS???"
Achilles and Patroclus: "First time?"
Ferdinand and Isabella: What's the problem?
Cousin relationships are the best. Even Albert Einstein and his wife were first cousins
@@zainmudassir2964 please tell me you don’t mean that-
I can take Hollywood taking the Gods out of the Iliad but I draw the line at making Achilles straight!!!
Actually forgot that cuz I didn’t watch sailor moon since the new dub came out
Troy: * Achilles and Patroclus are cast as cousins despite not being cousins and being in love in the original work *
Sailor Moon: * Sailor Neptune and Sailor Uranus are cast as cousins in the dub despite not being cousins and being in love in the original work *
Me: “Oh yeah, it’s all coming together now”
"Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it."
Haha anus
Conclusion: if you want to give a gay couple the not gays, make them cousins
And now you've made this connection in my brain, I am imagining the main cast of the Iliad as Bishoujo Sentai.
@@Kolbatsu Now I'm tempted to un-cousin every close pair of cousins in fiction just to see what happens.
Patrocolous and Achilles: were very gay and their love was *crucial* to the story Historians: look at these good buddy pals. Such good *friends*
Achilles: mix my ashes with his, so we can be together forever.
Historians: Just a couple of guys being dudes.
Me: Just a couple of dudes being gay.
Friends with benefits
Achilles, while lying on the ground weeping: "...my dear comrade Patroclus has fallen- he whom I valued more than all others, and loved as dearly as my own life..."
Historians: ah yes. Friendship at its finest.
Two Bros,
chilling in the army tent
Wrapped on each other cause they're really gay
"I'm talking about his boyfriend Patroclus because of course I am"
Same dude
I bet my Life that if the after life does exist they are still being cute and gay and hate that “they are cousins because we say so” bullshit as much as I do
Let us hope that in whatever after life they are in they are happy together and being the cutest couple ever.
@@leeschelly8384 Yes, I do hope so.
@@leeschelly8384 yeah
*Valentine's Day:* _(comes in)_
*Aphrodite:* It's my time to shine. _(proceeds to ruin everyone's romantic lives)_
Krishna: I'm about to end this woman's entire career
Aphrodite: "AND YOU GET A LOVER, AND YOU GET A LOVER, AN YOU-"
Hippolytus: "Sorry, I'm just not into people like that."
Aphrodite: "WELL SCREW YOU" *throws his step mother at him*
I have no romantic life.
🎵❤Bang bang, into the room❤🎵 in the background as she enters LOL
Hathor: *sighs and cleans up several messes that Aphrodite left*
Patroclus and Achilles: exist
Historians: 🎵two bros, chilling in the Trojan war, five feet apart cuz they’re not gay🎵
Anne TheReader I know
@Blub Blub Blob didnt Red do that in her di-vine deities
Very nice
Illegal Meme Dealer “ITS GUY LOVE, HE’S MINE I’M HIS!” - If it were written at the time, it would have been sung
But five feet close because they are gay~
"The size of the Habsburgs empire is inversely proportional to the size of their gene pool" is the MOST BRUTAL takedown I have ever heard
Riley Fitzpatrick their family tree is a wreath
@@alisaurus4224 More like a tumbleweed. Their family tree is a family circle
Magic Note It’s a pretzel of weeds.
"I'd tell the Habsburgs to go screw themselves, but it seems they beat me to the punch"
I mean, have you HEARD about the Habsburgs?
"It is a sweet homosexual cou-"
Vatican: "ERASE IT!"
They also forced younger boys to have a mentor ship with older men in both Roman and Greek society, sources Greek mythos such as Heracles where it’s hinted and said that he and his nephews were possibly lovers, then read the mediations of Marcus Aurelius where he literally says that he was grateful that, you know what I actually forgot the exact words, but to sum up he remarks later in life that him keeping his purity when he was young from both women of the street and mentors. So the real reason the Vatican gets rid of it is cuz of the moving away of having young people get married at such a young age. But that is the modern view the actual reason was more likely because the stories and philosophy of Ancient Greece were being looked at very closely near the beginning of Christianity to better understand the Bible.
Nothing sweet about some of the Gay couples in Ancient Greek stories since they forced younger boys to have a mentor ship with older men in both Roman and Greek society, sources, besides a quick google search “LGBT in Ancient Greece”, Greek mythos such as Heracles where it’s hinted and said that he and his nephews were possibly lovers, then read the mediations of Marcus Aurelius where he literally says that he was grateful that, you know what I actually forgot the exact words, but to sum up he remarks later in life that him keeping his purity, virginity, when he was young from both women of the street and mentors, allowed him to be morally clean and free from vice, beside that side note the book is really good I’d suggest a read if you appreciate philosophy. So the real reason the Vatican gets rid of it is cuz of the moving away of having young people get married at such a young age, or involved with older people. But that is the modern view the actual reason was more likely because the stories and philosophy of Ancient Greece were being looked at very closely near the beginning of Christianity to better understand the Bible, which made them twist the small details to fit better with Christianity.
TLDR
they had a reason to censor the gayness of the stories.
@@HistoryisBoss that's the fault of the people who forced those younger boys, not an entire sexuality, nor an entire history, and no reason for it to be erased. If you want to talk about forcing, look no further than the vast majority of straight relationship Greek myths, were a woman is often forced into it.. Soo if there's a reason why we should ' erase the gayness ' I guess there's a reason why we should erase the straight ones too
Samual Jager im sorry are you really arguing the medevil church wasnt homophobic they just hated pedophilia??? Lol thats dumb. They hated homosexuals, thats why they kept inprisoning and burning them. The catholic church was and is homophobic isnt really an opinion. Its a fact.
@@joshme3659 period pooh 💅
Achilles disguised himself as a princess? He was THAT cute?
That or his hair was THAT gorgeous
And somehow was able to hide what must have been an awesome physique so Zeus-damn well.
Oh, and his name in drag: Pyrrha
He was THAT *golden*.
Read Plato's Symposium, there's a whole part where they debate whether Achilles was the top or the bottom (because in ancient Greece, there were rules for that sort of thing, and basically Achilles being young and pretty meant he was totes the bottom).
@@erraticonteuse But Patrocles was young and pretty, too D:
How would that work by their laws?
Yeah true love is great, but have you ever married into royalty and then overthrown your own husband to become the ruler?
This post by the Catherine the Great gang.
A certain Chinese pirate queen who I can't remember the name of inadvertently did more or less the same thing once. When you think about it, it's shocking how similar those stories are.
@@themockingdragon135 Not sure if it's the person you mean, but Cheng I Sao was a Chinese pirate queen. She didn't overthrow her husband, but took over after he died, and helped maintain the army until she was defeated. She still managed to spare everyone in her army afterwards, bargaining with the government to allow them to have good lives
@Black Orchid Imagine needing a man to help assert your power.
This post was made by the Elizabeth I of England gang
@Black Orchid Imagine waiting for your relative to die.
This post was made by the Empress Irene gang.
Insert surprised emperor running into conspirators while escaping Moscow
I like to think Patroclus and Achilles reunited in the Underworld and Persephone was SOOOOOO touched by their love that she asked Hades to do a wedding for them.
Im a year late buuuut in the Odyssey, when Odysseus goes to the Underworld, he sees Achilles and Patroclus reunited together. Your welcome
@@araccoonwithalaptop8637 this makes me happy thank you so much-
As freaking adorable that is… after reading all things patrochilles I could get my hands on, I must say, Patroclus deserves better than Achilles 🥺😅 (don’t come for me this is just my opinion) like I’m just saying, you shouldn’t have to DIE for someone to stop being an arrogant son of a bitch 🤷🏻♀️
@@araccoonwithalaptop8637 this is very nice, thank you
Specifically, Odysseus runs into Achilles, Patroclus and a few of their fellow warriors.
Historians : argued whether Achilles and Patroclus were friends or lovers.
Ancient Greeks : *argued who was the top and bottom of their relationship*
P.S : Plato was sure Achilles was the bottom.
Aeschylus: Achilles was _erastes_ and Patroclus was _eromenos_ because Achilles avenged Patroclus violently in battle, and Patroclus took care of Achilles’s domestic matters!
Plato: No! It was _Achilles_ was was _eromenos_ and Patroclus was _erastes_ because Achilles was pretty!
So, yeah.
they are switches, problem solved
Unfortunately Thales didn't even ship this couple
@@NoName-in3sx the thousand year discussion solved in a single sentence, nice.
@@NathasyaStellaHermanus Nice. Though, don't you mean Theseus?^^
"The size of which is inversely proportional to their gene pool."
That absolutely cracked me up!
The size of their empire was matched only by the size of their jaw.
Salt Efan It’s a great line because you learn most of what you need to know in one sentence
Anya W. Vossand Ouch.
Blue's best line in a while
I straight up almost fucking died of laughter mid-game cuz of this line!
Girls on Instagram with captions like "Cupid blessed us!"
Meanwhile, Red: Ah, Cupid. We don't talk about him.
Eros and psycbe for the win!
Haha 😂 cupid is the one god in history that nobody talks and treated as a joke like aquaman only his awrsome now.
@Jimin Bang exactly 😂
Eros: MOM! I'M STILL BEING CALLED CUPID BY THE MORTALS!!
Aphrodite: Time to ruin some lives.
@@silentspirit8923 In Greek mythology Eros isn't Aphrodite son, but a Protogenoi, one of the primordial god born from Chaos.
Achilles and Patroclus, literally showing like 50 signs of loving each other:
Everyone else: THEY WERE FRIENDS, BUDDIES, PALS
To be fair, I and friends often get confused for couples, loveing eachother is not always beeing a couple and bang . . . But still I am pretty sure they where ment to be read as a couple
Just a couple of guys bein dudes.
I love platonic love more than anything...
But those two were boning, no cap.
They were war mates
Sexual Love is not the only kind of love.
There are quite a few variations of the Tale of Troy, in some they are lovers in others they are simply incredibly close platonic friends.
But the automatic assumption that close male friends just HAVE to be Gay is stupid and insulting to everyone.
If a historian says two people of the same gender were "Very *very* close friends.", then they were probably lovers.
And if a boy and girl happen to be next to each other, "They were madly in love
@@oraclezone5026 shippers be like
and we know that's the cue for the fanfic writers, cuz the historians themselves were too week to write the good stuff
@@ILiekFishes nah switch the gender, amke it gay and you got like 80% of shippers
@@Elliyan4 not really we live in a heteronormative society
Best Couples in History:
1) Henry VIII and- ... oh
2)Henry VIII and- ... oh no
3)Henry VIII and- ...shit
4)Henr- y'know what, never mind...
@@blep7943 Cathrine of Aragon, Anne Boleyn, Anne of Cleves, Kathrine Howard, Cathrine Parr: rude.
@@blep7943 i think you mean the one that died before she could do anything to piss him of .
@@wy4455 That works as well.
Ah Henry VIII, the Bed, Wed, Behead champion of England!
Kaylee Tang rude...
Putting Achilles and his bf at the starts was a strong and well appreciated beginning
Still waiting to see Peridot-Lapis fusion, aren't we?
Gibowl.v Well, it does seem to be this channel’s OTP
dragon heaven I’m going to assume this is commented out of simple ignorance and not malice.
A. Petroculus and Achilles probably didn’t exist, but this is only because they were mythical characters that reflected the culture of their time. Their stories weren’t made up later, if that’s what you’re asking about.
B. Achilles wasn’t _supposed_ to marry anyone, but even if he was, it wouldn’t have been Medea.
@dragon heaven Really back then homosexuality wasn't seen as all that of a big deal(I mean, hell, Heracles in the original legends had both male and female lovers). So, really he could have married Media(though I don't think he was supposed to, though I can't remember well enough to really be confident in that statement), and still probably be Petroculus.
OOPSIE DOOOPSIE MANSLAUGHTER? 🤣😂🤣😂
if people call my future wife a best friend of mine in the future I will come back from the dead just to shreik at them.
....
is that why banshees are a thing?
It is now!
...you know, it WOULD make more sense that way...
it does add up...
Banshee’s do have lesbian energy so...
Can confirm
"The Song of Achilles" by Madeline Miller really is an amazing book, and you all should go read it!
I've been wanting to get it, but I'll try to wait until after my exams adhfsh
It's on my tbr, IK for a FACT it'll destroy me & I can't wait
Update: UM I was just gifted a COPY by my mother & I'm FREAKING OUT
I've just completed reading it, and all I can say is, beautiful, extremely beautiful, the whole book is like a poetry...
*traumatized screeching intensifies*
*wailing and screaming and obsessing intensifies*
Disclaimer on The Song of Achilles: The first two thirds are like wrapping your soul in cotton wool, and then the last third rips that cotton wool away and runs it over a goddamn cheese grater, in the best possible way.
Read it, but... bring some tissues.
Yep. Beautiful, but bring the tissues.
YAYYYY I love aww-ing and sighing at healthy relationships before having it all burn before me and leading me to cry myself to sleep!
I’m a fucking masochist for angst, hit me.
agreed. that book actually killed me, i love it so much
I read it, I cried buckets, I read it straight away again, I cried more buckets and then I buried my soul in the garden because I will never love anything more than that book. My sibling gave me my copy and wrote in the front 'This book will destroy you. Pass on the pain' x
I read it and was tottaly captivated.... And forgot that it has practically the same ending as the Illiad.... Then I cried
Sailors Neptune and Uranus called. They would like to offer their condolences and solidarity to our Ancient Greek friends for also being subject to the Cousin Treatment.
Lets not forget that in a sick twist of history a not insignificant number of gay peopl in the US fake adapted each other to have right when on of them dies or has medical emergency.
Later on some members of this group (when marriage became legal) married, and got persecuted for incest, yay!
To be fair, Achilles and Patroclus were both descents of the mirmidon kings, making them cousins or uncle and nephew depending on who you ask.
This is not necessarily mean they were not lovers.
dragon heaven Nope, they led medea on by telling her that she was going to be married to Achilles when in reality they just used her as a sacrifice to Zeus
dragon heaven Achilles didn’t actually exist
@@carloszapata847 Source please? I'm trying to find it but I can't find anything saying that they're blood related in any way, shape, or form.
Justinian:
"City is burning. I am going!"
Theodora:
"Why are you running? WHY ARE YOU RUNNING?"
City: You ready to fucking DIE?
Theodora: I’m a bad bitch, you can’t kill me!
“Duplicitous, malevolent and incredibly slutty” I’ve discovered the title of my memoir
Mood.
Damn you for claiming it
Justinian: “So there’s this city destroying riot and I’m just going to nip out…“
Theodora: “Get your ass back here and be the emperor I married!“
Historically supportive romance.
Remember kids, with love and support you too can gather tens of thousands of unarmed protestors into an enclosed space and unleash an army of professional soldiers to murder every last one of them!
Protesters who had burned huge chunks of the city, killed who knows how many people, and who you'd repeatedly tried to negotiate with, placate, buy off, etc beforehand, to no avail. I'm not one to condone mass slaughter, but those protesters where hardly innocent or bloodless.
@@michaelsinger4638 And don't forget they didn't do it over revolution, or poverty, or starvation or invasion: it was over a chariot race. Mass murder and destruction because sports, for not even the last time
@@Rynewulf A sport that also had gang warfare and partisan politics involved. Honestly I would be more surprised if it wasn't common, considering how violent modern day aspects on any of the three are, put them together and if a city doesn't get burned down or ransacked that would be a miracle.
@@Rynewulf Well... more like a big incident bringing together rival political factions that happened to start as sport team fan clubs, hijacked by someone with power and a loud voice.
It was a big mess; the only good thing to come of it is that nothing that bad happened again in Justinian's reign. Oh, and also Theodora's badass speech.
_"knife wound aficionado Julius Caesar"_
28 stab wounds
@@chottabeamm 40 conspirators, only 28 stab wounds(some of which might have been repeat stabs), only one of those wounds would have been fatal on its own. Like all group projects, only half the people do any work, and only does guy does all the work.
*gets stabbed in the groin*
"Painful, in the sensitive region. 9/10, Brutus" *dies*
He ran into my knife. He ran into my knife 28 times
The Morgan Riley Show well, he had it coming all along.
How is it that the Valentine's day special isn't about Blue's relationship with medieval Venice?
Or domes?
Sure he already made a video about that, but more domes?
Being separated by centuries necessitates that such a love be unrequited, and as such, can never truly be called a "couple".
The ultimate ship
Or more accurately
Fleet of ships
Really feeling the age gap here
When my teacher stated to my class that Achilles and Patroclus were cousins I gave him a look of death and he immediately changed his answer to “some people said they were close friends, others said they were cousins but others stated they were…Boyfriends,” didn’t satisfy me but I didn’t wanna fight
My history class will be discussing Ancient Greece soon and more specifically, the Trojan war. I have started to compile a list of evidence that patrocillies was cannon just in case.
Lovers or not, they were cousins
@@watching7721 just curious, what’s your source?
@@ell72852 RUclips keeps deleting my replies. So I would suggest just looking it up
@@watching7721RUclips deletes links. Just say the title of your source
regular people: valentines day, the day of whimsical romance, the day of-
blue: HISTORY. HISTORICAL COUPLES. THAT’S ALL.
hence why we love him
And don't forget the discount chocolate
...and I'm absolutely fine with that!
I'm okay with that!
The only reason that Achilles got caught dressed as a princess is that his friend ratted him out. Think about that for a moment.
Think about this for a moment: *Is Achilles a trap?*
It's not even that Odysseus ratted him out, Odysseus himself COULDN'T figure out which of the beautiful ladies was actually Achilles. He had to trick him to find out which one he was lol
He was like hey young princesses want jewels dresses silks maybe? oh yeah and I have an epic sword None of y’all would want that right? And Achilles went YOINK mine and handled it with such skill Odysseus figured out it was him
What y'all telling is Achilles was such a bad thiccy he fooled everyone.
Oddiseus thought, "If I gotta go to this stupid war, then everybody's gotta go".
I’ve gotta say calling Caesar a “knife wound aficionado” is absolute PERFECTION.
You now have 69 likes. Nice.
Pierre and Marie Curie were both scientists (as we know) but what you don't know is that Pierre fought for Marie to also get a Nobel prize because he helped a little but she did most of the work and he knew she deserved it.
Such good friends!
(A joke)
"I am dismayed that I will never see a real life Bear-iot race"
Not with that attitude you won't
Don't let your dreams be dreams, Blue!
MURPHYCHACHO Its funny, when I first heard that phrase I thought it was “don’t let your dreams be memes”
Not everyone is souped up on WAAAAAGH energy and has a Power Klaw. YOU set up the Bear-iot race, I’m pretty sure it’s the Valhallan planetary sport.
We're here! We're Clear! We don't want anymore Bears!
Well, according to the ‘Secret History’ (I think) Theodora’s father got murdered by the bears so it’ll be a little more dangerous than fun
When Historical Ships become a topic on Single Awareness Day.
Happy Singles Awareness Day!
Have a
*Single Awareness Day*
You didn't have to hurt me like this ಥ╭╮ಥ
Stfu weeb
It's never too late. Say no to self deprecation. ;)
We're talking about Historical Ships? My favorite is the trireme!
When I was at my University, my quite old Latin teacher taught us the story of Achilles. We were like: Yeah, go on, we already know this story, it’s boring. Because for us, it was only a story about war. Nothing else.
But my last teachers never telled us about Patroclus and Achille relationship. This latin teacher did. He told us: So, Patroclus and Achille were in love. But unfortunately, Patroclus got killed etc….
And, we didn’t know they were in love. So I did research and turned out it was true. We then realized that it’s was also a love story, not just a war story. Plus, it was the first time I have seen a teacher talking about homosexuality without any issues. Usually, my other teachers tend to hide it or say « We are not sure, maybe they were just friends. »
J: You know what this needs?
T: a giant hecking dome?
J: *A GIANT HECKING DOME*
"Conquistadorable, if slightly deplorable"
You are a word wizard
Lines like this are why I love Overly Sarcastic's writing-style~
I know right? "Ending centuries of beautiful multiculturalism" instead of "reconquering the European lands Muslims took from them and eliminate the obvious threat" haha wow
@@JaMeshuggah "jews and muslims across spain were forced to convert or leave, and thus the king and queen brought centuries of beautiful religious multiculturalism to a grinding halt" stop twisting words
@@joevenespineli6389 and that purposefully omits that Muslims took Spain by military force, taxed non-Muslims, and that was obviously a temporary occupation.
Tell me, did/do the Indians like the beautiful religious multiculturalism under Islam??
@@JaMeshuggah Incompatible cultures dont get along, multiculturalism in of itself isn't the worst thing in the world, I dunno, the point of my reply is that the ending the multicultural thing isnt the result of the reconquest but the personal policies of the king and queen.
I will be getting loads of chocolate tommorow and reselling it at school, wish me luck in my capitalist exploits
That is genius!
Amazing
Good luck bud, let us know how it went!
My siblings and parents gave most of their chocolates to me (they're all really attractive and charismatic, that results to a LOT of admirers lol) and I sold them for a higher price at school two days ago lololol.
Stoks
If Six The Musical has taught me anything, Cleopatra and Theodora need to make pop music
Artsy Spectrum I forget her name but she was known as the She-Wolf of France and took the throne from her husband to save her kids and then ruled as regent for her son. Can we add her?
Isabella of France. Her husband was Edward II of England.
YES
1:30 I absolutely love when he called Patrocles Achilles "person"!🥰 It's so cute! It reminded me of ever since I came out to my family, my mother has been calling all my future lovers my "person" as well! 😘 💏
"knife wound afficionato" is the best Julius Caesar nickname ever.
Affictionuto, if you know what I mean.
StAb WoUnD
Im suprised you didnt mention Julius Caesar and the senate
*Their love was to DIE for!*
Wha-hahahahahah.
I'm surprised he didn't mention him and Brutus's mom
No this is patrick look it’s been millennia but too soon
No this is patrick Uh, oof?
Now I’m imagining some strange Caesar x Palpatine pairing
Blue "Ah, I've avoided demonization by not mentioning graphic stuff."
RUclips "He said the word gay, no rent money for you blue."
"They needed consent for their incest from the pope..."
Me: "That's gonna be pretty tough..."
"...who at the time was Rodrigo Borgia"
Me: "ah, nevermind"
Yeah, but homosexual marriage and contraception are still forbidden these days . . .
@@arianewinter4266 to be fair pope francis has told catholics to drop the homophobia. Not that i love catholics but credit where credits due. Now if only they'd in front of the whole kid fucking thing.
@@421less1 I find covering the sexual exploitation of nuns offensiv to, but about the children it is way more well knowen. Than there is the fact, that priest dieing children is quite commen and those children get finances, but no one is allowed to talk about it . . . Great for the selfesteem of a child if the parentage is shamed and denied . . . Beside the realy big things, there are many smaler things swept under the carpet
Actually it's gonna be super easy, barely an inconvenience.
@@dreadpirateninjafox thought that too ^^
Castille and Aragon: Isabella and Ferdinand are second cousins
Habsburgs: Hold my chin
And lower lip.
Carlos II "El hechizado" (the bewitched): hold my drool and Klinefelter syndrome.
This is why you don't marry cousins... Or just don't do incest.
nicholas II be like
Relationships between second cousins are genetically fairly safe. As long as they are only related through one line, the trouble comes when they are related through multiple lines. The Habsburgs and the Ptolemys both had that problem to some extent.
Cute warriors that could pass for princesses
Ancient Greece created the waifu
You mean trap.
You mean bishōen?
you mean Griffith
all of the above
They also created pigmaleon and galatea for that trope!
Odysseus: "If I have to go, so do you!"
Achilles: "Awww."
Patroclus: Well if he's going, then I'm going too!
Achilles: Yaaayyy!
"I'm talking about his boyfriend because OF COURSE I am."
mood
"Ancient Greece, Gayest locale in history"
Hahahaahaha. I mean it is true.
The Greeks invented the threesome. The Romans added the women.
It’s really not, Athens doesn’t represent the entirety of Ancient Greece. And homosexuality in Ancient Greece were mainly between an adult man and a young boy.
Elektra
You must be fun at parties.
Poseidon Ikr?
@@elektrakomplexet dude it's still gay
2:06 Ah... the Sailor Moon defense.
**Because retroactive incest is preferable to homosexual true love.**
They still come off as a couple, in both examples. I don't know WHY they thought making both parties cousins would help anything but there ya go
Accidental wincest
Or bisexual.
@@Slm99 Yeah, no. Uranus and Neptune are pretty solidly lesbian. And i say this as a bi/pan dude who wants to see more bi presence in media. I, however, don't want it at the expense of other sexual minorities...
@@JonVonBasslake I wasn't referring to them, but to historical figures. Sorry for the misconception and misunderstanding.
2:37 I've read this book. It's wonderfully written and sticks fairly closely to the original Homeric tale and fleshes out the romance between the two male lovers.
I love how legitimately everyone doesnt care about getting valentines day chocolate but instead celebrates feb 15 of 1/2 price chocolate day
I mean I don’t even eat chocolate (or candy) anymore and I’d still go for that stuff lol cause 1/2 off
Two people in history: *are in a gay relationship*
Historians: I'm just gonna pretend that didn't happen
Edit: I just wanted to make a joke, but everyone's going all r/SapphoAndHerFriend in the replies
Or history happen over a long course of time. With people being killed, slaughter, things being burn down to the ground. Things have been lost or destroy, making the picture unclear. That and the video doesn';t link to his sources. So we can't double check them.
@@forestelfranger In the case of Achilles and Patrocolus, it is an ancient greek story, so the chances of them being lovers are really high. Greeks had gay relationships, mainly because men were the only ones allowed to study and have actual rights. A gay partner meant an equal partner. So most of the greek men had wifes and gay lovers.
"Two people in history"
Though we don't know if they were actual people that existed. The Iliad and other such stories might be just stories or partially stories.
Madrigal Lol the evidence pointing that Achilles and Patroclus were lovers are all post-Homeric so quoting the Iliad is actually inaccurate
We also live in an age that wants to turn every male/ female only friendship into a gay/ lesbian partnership. It is possible that Achilles and Patroclus were gay, it is also possible they were not. In truth, homosexual relationships in Greece were not the same as they are today. It was something that the young were allowed to engage in, but the older you got the less acceptable it was. The Iliad does not give an age to Achilles or Patroclus, and that does make a difference.
We rarely view history through context. We mostly view it culturally--are these people, who lived thousands of years before me, acting in a manner I approve or disapprove of. It is sad, because to often we look down on those people and make judgements over them, not realizing that some of the issues they dealt with, we are dealing with today and in much the same manner. People hate slavery today (because it is wrong to own people) and don't realize/ don't care about the harsh conditions in southeastern Asia, that mimics a lot of the conditions the American slaves went through. We only care that we can buy a cheap shirt at Walmart.
Valentines day: **exists**
Aphrodite: rISe AnD SHiNe
Eros: it’s go timE BABEY
Modern civilization: We have Valentine's Day.
Roman Empire: AMATURES! *laughs in three day orgy - I mean 'fertility festival'*
Aphrodite: RISE AND SHINE IT'S WINE AND BANGING TIME
Artemis, who has to put up with this bull every year: SHUT UP YOU THOUSAND-YEAR-OLD MATTRESS
Fun fact: Catherine of Aragon (Henry VIII's first wife) was the daughter of Isabella & Ferdinand.
I feel like the word fun is compleatly misplaced in that context
“Conquistadorable, If Slightly Deplorable”... Thank you, OSP, for that linguist gold.
Blue's incredulous laughter over the Parthenon being on some ancient toddler's gift registry gives me life
Hell yeah
*Me, seeing the thumbnail:* This better have Patrochilles...
*Me, watching the first few minutes:* Aw hell yeaahhhhhhhh
My face mytho-historical ship!
Blue: Theodora
My brain, every single time:
Dear Theodora, what to say to you?
Dude it is Theodosia
@@gokbay3057 I know that in the play it is Theodosia, but in the video he said Theodora and so that's what popped into my mind.
You have my eyes, you have your mother's name...
@@leonellesleta9371 when you came into the world you cried and it broke my heart
Blue: Aragon
My brain, despite my protests because this wasn't the only interesting thing about-: My name is Catherine of Aragon, was married 24 years, I'm a paragon of royalty-
Me: *Whoo safe*
Blue: Had to ask the Vatican-
Me: Wait no-
My brain: *_MY LOYALTY IS TO THE VATICAN SO IF YOU TRY AND DUMP ME OOOHH Y O U W O N ' T T R Y T H A T A G A I N-_*
"Never Trust Victorian Historians"
Yep, that.
What I expected: Some cute historical couples, likely some drama
What I got: *Beariot Racing*
we also got the Spanish Inquisition
no one ever expects the Spanish Inquisition
👍
I LOVE SONG OF ACHILLES!!!! I read the last few chapters and was sobbing my eyes out and my history teacher was just like wtf?? And then he saw what I was reading and was like “Ah” and patted me on the shoulder
"He has done nothing to me."
*Faint screaming.*
@@Ray-hk1zm I read it last year and I still haven't fully recovered
@@amphitritemists4595 just read it and i sWEaR IVE been TRYING for HOURS TO DISTRACT MYSELF SO I MIGHT FORGET THE ENDING BUT I CAAAAAANNNT i keep sobbing now my eyes r tired
@@samanthafisher4368 The pain doesnt go away no amount of distraction works im still not over it Achilles asked for their ashes to be mixed together so that they would always be one and i cant just cant 😭😭😭😭
I literally finished it at school and went 'why'
There's this part in "Song of Achilles" where Patroclus is watching Achilles mess around while dressed as a woman and it's such a great wholesome and light-hearted moment in such a tragedy that it stuck with me.
5:53 The real question is: were the bears _pulling_ the chariot, or _riding_ the chariot?
Or the greatest feat of all, _driving_ the chariot!
Straight up all 3.
I’d pay to see all 3
YES
Or were they running after the chariots? Were they the chariots?
*Valentines Day:* [exists]
*Cupid with bow and arrow being prepared:* _"OH YEAH, IT'S ALL COMING TOGETHER."_
Eros: PSYCHE THE MORTALS STILL CALL ME CUPID!!!
hey... cupid, I think you forgot somethi- never mind, I'll just... sit in the corner here...
Psyche: *grabs Eros by his toga before he pulls an Aphrodite*
@@anonymousfellow8879 misread that as 'before he pulls aphrodite' and I was like "ew! no!"
MonkeyWhoWouldBeKing
Let’s be honest, that wouldn’t be the strangest thing in greek mythology 😅😵🤮
My favourite couple is me and cheap chocolate from the corner store.
I ship it
Otp
Correction you and diabetes
Cool dude, mine is Ramen and Corned Beef mixed with potatoes and eggs.
EasternDragon why is cheap chocolate cheating on me?
It seems a bit odd to mention Achilles and Patroclus in a history video, since they're more mythological. If you really want a famous classical gay male couple, Alexander and Hephaestion would do just fine.
I mean, we don't know how much was fictional and how much wasn't. For thousands of years, people thought Troy itself was fictional but evidence was found (ruins) in the place Troy was rumored to have existed that support the idea of the Trojan war being real. Also, if they were not real why would philosophers and historians later debate on their relationship?
@@fictionlover2064 Sure, there's evidence of a city at Troy in the period. But that doesn't mean every detail Homer wrote, including about specific individuals, is true. That's like if a historian a thousand years from now saying "There's strong evidence Sherlock Holmes was a real person - because archaeological evidence clearly shows London was an actual city!" With regard to "if they were not real why would philosophers and historians later debate on their relationship?" - Yeah I guess philosophers and historians wouldn't care about figures that weren't strictly real exactly as reported... *sideyes everything that has been written over the centuries about Imhotep, King Arthur, most of the Bible...*
@@fictionlover2064 historians debate their relationship because they are depicted in historical texts. And you can add characters to a real historical event, it happens all the time, and even if the case is that they were real. The specifics of their lives are often fabrications.
for everyone looking to read The Song of Achilles- you should! it's a very touching and bittersweet retelling of Patroclus and Achilles' lives (from Patroclus's point of view), but a very heart-wrenching one. The way Patroclus describes his life with Achilles, and love for Achilles, will make you desperately yearn for a relationship yourself. I guarantee that there will be several moments throughout the book where you'd want to cry, laugh and rage. (especially at the end and every scene where Thetis is present.)
Can confirm that, next to Agamemnon, I felt unbridled rage towards Thetis a bunch of times.
I wish i could read it but my parents won’t let me ),;
Wait, did Blue just portray the Illiad as a piece of genuine history?
Is... is he a Hellenist?
Yea I thought that was quite strange too
There’s evidence suggesting it was based on at least some truth, just extremely distorted by time
Well, he did admit he has Greek in his blood. Somewhere
The Iliad is/ was the basis of history for centuries. Also Not entirely wrong if you take out the Greek god bits. So instead of Troy being caused by Aphrodite just say that Helen got kidnapped and you can find some facts to back that up. And instead of Kind of like how Rome had to be founded by somebody, so why not the two dudes Remus a nd Romulus. Just take a pound of salt and beware where people mixed that fact and fiction
To be fair there is evidence that the Trojan War was an actual thing so even if the characters are different the event happened.
Me: Aw, it's going to be a sweet video about historical romance...
The video: NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!
Shah Jahan and his Persian wife Mumtaz Mahal. The Taj Mahal is one of the New 7 Wonders of the World and it was built by the Turk emperor of India, Shah Jahan, with Persian architecture for his Persian Queen. Mumtaz Mahal was the "dearly loved" wife of Shah Jahan. The Taj Mahal is the symbol of love in the world.
Didn’t he also murdered the builders of Taj Mahal in order to keep Taj Mahal from being built by anyone else. Like damn how are you supposed to react to that.
@@faehope3849 I don't know if Shah Jahan killed the builder of Taj Mahal or not. But I don't think so, show me the source.
@@laodice_III No there wasn't a single builder, he chopped off the hand of every worker who built the taj mahal
@Axiom Steel26 Google them.
"If you go, you know that i will go with you"
-Achilles to Patroclus.
Best couple in history:
Me and this channel... *I f*cking love this channel*
Ozilus
My gay ass thought u were talking about a bag at first 😂
I ship it
I though you said I love f*cking this channel.
@@MM-mo6sv Why not? ( ಠ ͜ʖಠ)
@@artemis622 lol
This is the most painful flex..
😥
69 nice
Aaah I’m so glad you mentioned patrochilles and the song of Achilles! It’s genuinely one of my favorite books ever!
Us: are Patroclus and Achilles dating?
Historians: well yes but actually no
Blue laughing at his own joke about the Parthenon as a gift was funnier than the joke itself
Everyone else: "Awww, Achilles and Patroclus are so cute together!"
Me: *"BEARIOT RACE!"*
Same. I need a historically accurate recreation, stat.
My guess is that bears were used to make the horses scared? Just my guess.
"The Habsburg family, whose subsequent empire is inversely proportional to the size of their gene pool."
Oh my God, how I wish I had come across a quote like that when I still had history lessons at school!
I see Achilles and Patroclus, I immediately press like, I see Madeline Miller recommendation I press love ❤️
"Never trust Victorian historians"
Basically my religion when I did my BA in History. Wouldn't trust Tudor age chroniclers/historians either.
History by anyone human is by its very nature untrustworthy.
@@andreassewell7413 Shame that all the history we have is told by them.
"Wouldn't trust Tudor age chroniclers/historians either."
By watching Blackadder I learned that Henry Tudor, in fact, lost the Battle of Bosworth Field but just falsified the history to state the opposite! :)
Insert the Horrible Histories song about Richard III here, please.
All histories are biased, but all histories can still teach you something - even if it's only about the people who wrote it.
Blue: Look up Secret History, Theodora
Me: this can’t be that crazy
Blue: And Geese
Me: 0_0
its at 69 i legally cant like it
Someone deleted my untitled goose game comment, how rude.
@@donbionicle
Can you repost It please
@@donbionicle That reminds me of a site I went to, and one wrong search ended up with the Goose.
I did a presentation on the Byzantine empire and we came across that. And explained it in class. One of the highlights in my life
" The Habsburgs, whose subsequent empire was inversely proportional to the size of their gene pool" is genuinely a work of genius
kk but imagine catholic schools bein like “yea they bros” but then one student is like “hey do they got a thing goin on” but then the teacher bein like “weLL YEA BUT THIS IS CATHOLIC SCHOOL”
i read a tumblr post about that regarding The Great Gatsby actually.
That is literally what happened in my school lol. The teacher was so awkward because he didn’t want to offend anyone and I was saying that they were definitely more than friends. Low-key almost got in a fight with a homophobic child.
@@OriginalCreatorSamaWait who's gay in The Great Gatsby?
Emperor Gaozong of Song originally had a wife of the Xing clan, and when he was called by the Imperial court to negotiate with the Jurchen Jin, she took off her earrings, put them in a box and gave it to him. After becoming Emperor after escaping the horrific Jinkang incident, wherein his wife was captured and sent north along with the entire Imperial court, he took the box with him, and when fleeing Yangzhou to retreat from Jin forces, it was the only thing he took with him. That was how much he missed and loved her.
*Edit. He later remarried to a woman who has the same surname as my mother (Wu) and probably was emotionally stronger than him. Although physically and mentally strong, he became so stressed by his country's situation he became infertile, and was permanently paranoid, scared and stressed. His wife, on the other hand, when pursued by rogue soldiers trying to steal the Imperial boat, took a bow, and shot three arrows into the crowd of rogues. They were spooked and pledged allegiance to the Imperial couple again. XD
So wait, was he never able to get back to his first wife?
@@anhaaraahmed3597
No, she was captured by the Jurchens, and along with the rest of the Imperial Court that didn't escape, was forced marched all the way up from Kaifeng to Manchuria, during which many people died of exhaustion, dehydration, and starvation, and during which the women of the Imperial Court were also almost certainly violated. The Empress at the time hung herself to avoid such a fate.
*Looks up: 'Secret History, Theodora, Geese'*
Mother of God...
On no now I'm even more curious
Lin C. It’s, something
Oh dear
*googles it* okay nope nope nope, I'm good! Don't need to read the full thing
That's . . . not even the worst . . .
Me: clicks on the video expecting it to be for of straight relationships
Sees its full oh gay ones and someone is actually talking about lgbt erasure in history
OH MY GOD IM SO HAPPY
Same :D !!!
I laughed really hard at the Rodrigo "daughter banger" borgia, excellent delivery
Cleopatra and Mark Antony: History's Prime Disaster Couple should be the name of the official movie/documentart
'Whose subsequent empire is inversely proportional to the size of their genepool.'
This is probably the best line you've ever written. Well done Blue!
Thank you for putting in Patroclus and Achilles, and saying they were lovers 😌✨
“Just gals being pals”
In the same Bed 😏😒😏😏
@@alienindisguise5546 . . . not that unusual some cases realy are confusing. I totaly sleep in the same bed as my friends, we make plans that if romance does not work out, we later live togeather instead . . .
@@arianewinter4266 nice, I see that with ladies cause they're just So comfortable with calling each other cute or sleeping in the same bed sharing things. But most guys dont cause OH NO NOPE I AINT GAY CANT DO DAT
@@alienindisguise5546 I know several guys with the same mindset and my girl pals are lesbians . . . It realy depends on your personal social circle
Just some gals bein pals & guys bein dudes in ancient Greece.
My friend: what's your favorite quote?
Me: "oopsie doopsie man slaughter" don't ask...
"Nothing seems to happen for nine years and then everything happens all at once." Welcome to siege warfare. Weeks, months, and even years of mind numbing boredom broken by brief periods of the most brutal fighting imaginable.
Next year, you should talk about the ACTUAL Saint Valentine, his story is dope as hell.
I've read Song of Achilles like 5 times. And I wind up crying like a baby eVERY TIME
"All the chocolate in the world is on sale."
Except for the good stuff.
That dark, dark 85% Cacao stuff.
delicious, bitter, darkness
My school has 99%, you can’t eventaste it at first
@@elibeth8399 85% is as far as I go in terms of cacao. Any deeper and it starts tasting like charcoal.
Just eat the cheap ones then snort some cocoa powder afterwards.
@@MeatGuyJ Conversely, anything below 60% is nauseatingly sweet, right?
Now I kinda want Red to make a "Best Couples in Mythology" companion to this. :D
Top of my head. Apollo and Hyacinthus, Persephone and Hades, Ho Yi and Chang E
@@PlantaWho when you say Ho Yi and Chang E I presume you're talking about the version of that myth mentioned second in the video?
Pwyll and Rihanna (I forgot her name)
What about Eros and Psyche? WHAT ABOUT PERSUS AND ANDROMEDA?! WHAT ABOUT THOR AND SIF?!?
Tam Lin and Janet. I'll concede that Red's version of Hades/Persephone is OTP, though. Also, Eros and Psyche.
honourable mention to alexander and his boyfriend, cuz when his boyfriend died, alexander had the most lavish and extravagant funeral for him in the ancient world
My interest is piqued.
He and Hephaestion tried to emulate Achilles and Patroclus, the funeral games being similar to how Achilles also had funeral games for Patroclus funeral.
I like how the first two cases is both concerning “the glory of the father”: Patroclus and Cleopatra. Like John and Joanne.