Hey everyone! Mark wrote a clarification post about something that happens in this episode, link is below (DON'T CLICK UNTIL YOU'VE WATCHED THE EP! IT HAS HUGE SPOILERS!): www.reddit.com/r/highrollersdnd/comments/csfcow/clarification_for_episode_43_spoilers/
could Quill's eye send him back in time to save sneak? he was questioning if you should trust the person. Divine interference if you want to use it dungeon master next time the party goes to sleep if you want to use it. because of the because of the armbands and the communication they can do mentally. get asked by one of the Gods if they want to use it. they all have to agree or nothing happens.
Well this thread covers my two misgivings about this episode. Though the Aila thing should have triggered a reminder from Tom. Even though I'm not happy when I see things like this happen it just proves that they're human beings playing a real game despite what filming it can bring to the equation. People forget things and make mistakes. Easily forgiven when forgiveness is asked for.
A classic example of when the party does something so cool, clever and/or unexpected, the DM is both impressed and scrambling to keep the narrative afloat. Great job everyone and try not to spoil the twist please!!
Since the priestess is out of resurrections the only other place they know that can bring someone back to life would be the druid that bring them back in an other form, If they would do that to Smeek his belief of returning to life as a stronger creature would come true as most are stronger then goblins Would be quite awesome
Tom, I'll share you a secret: If you're a barbarian and you're in combat, this is the procedure: You rage first, whack as much as you can, and then ask questions. Repeat until either you or all the enemies are dead.
Well the glyphs of warding weren’t that advance of a spell. symbol however was suspicious, also the fact he never offered to use dispel magic as a abjuration wizard he should have had that.
And the fact that he mentioned all of the abjuration spells they walked into. Im assuming the door was affected with arcane lock, as quill didnt see a glyph like for the other spells
@@shawnm7246 when they were first talking with him at the palace and he said "come to me, not the prince" I was sold it was him. And then Norfear said he was trustworthy... Mark was trying to hard.
Man Craziest episode in a long while. Gotta say, I love that Mark is a good sport and let's the players actually have free will even when it messes up the story he planned. I've tried watching other streams and too often the DM will manipulate the players roll for stuff when he obviously doesn't want it to work out that way, and even if they get a fairly high roll(16-18) for something simple will just be like, "nope doesn't work". Doesn't counter roll or anything, just manipulates the game because it will mess up their story. Mark is the GOAT
Didn't he say that he weaseled his way out of a zone of truth? But joking aside he never fudged a roll for it. Messing with game mechanics and deceiving your players in that way strikes me as a lack of integrity. It also screws up a narrative because you have to come to grips with how that kind of behaviour fucks with the continuity. I don't know which Actual Plays you watch but I'd kind of like a list of ones to avoid if their DMs pull that crap. I would say that I'm very lucky to not have seen or caught somebody out with the numerous campaigns I've watched though.
@@MorinehtarTheBlue Man it's been 3 years since I left this comment lol, offhand I remember I never liked the way "The Dungeon Run" dm handled the player/story integrity always really annoyed me. Happy gaming!
I called Elois from the moment they got attacked at the house. Only Elois knew that they were traveling there and had the exact address of where she lived. Tom's vision only helped confirmed that fact with the staff that was seen.
This! It was so obvious and I can't believe they didn't suspect him. Also it became more obvious as he dodged the zone of truth by being like "Oh I trust you guys and shouldn't tell you this but king sus" and then more and more when all the spells in the stairway were abjuration and he didn't offer help with them a single time. He even sent away any witnesses.
Tom... Dude, gotta get those hits in early! You spent two rounds of potential damage trying to grapple a wizard! He's a wizard! High damage, low HP, gotta drop those dudes quick! Also I'm pretty sure Aila would have just cracked him in the skull right of the bat, it's what Katie would have wanted...
Seriously... Anyone who's played D&D for more than 5 minutes should know that the first thing any barbarian does in a fight is Rage then Hit the closest enemy as hard as possible as often as possible. At least until they stop moving, if not a few times more. Not "Aila's going to rage. Obviously." in the third frigging round.
@@ElenaAideen I DM for a Rogue/Barbarian multiclass, and every single combat encounter boils down to him raging to gain advantage on Strength Checks, and then because he has Expertise in Athletics, grappling a target and pretty much guaranteeing that success. After that it's Reckless Sneak Attacks against the restrained target before moving on to the next.
@@kassiekitsune189 Just curious why the player would use reckless at that point - it seems as though the entire grappling trick is to grant them advantage without needing to use reckless.
He's kind of inconsistent with his RP by constantly talking himself out of reasons why he wouldn't just DO something, especially with God Eye. He also played how he would play the barbarian not how Aila would play her barbarian which was his bad but.. oh well.
Spoilers: man the whole time i was just screaming that it had to be Ellois. - They say its a man and we know whoever is working against them has to be in a position of power with access to resources and wealth- so obviously its gotta be someone in the royal or noble line but is likely not the prince since there would be less sloppy ways he could get rid of a family. -The assassins acted FAST when very few people knew that Lucius was back, so it had to be someone from the inner ring of people who knew first. -DM makes it a point to mention certain magic users who serve the city are known as Staffs, and the head mage is called Ironstaff- then makes it a point of note that the masked man who send out the assassins has a staff. - the room Quill saw is in the same style as the library, so either its a copy cat or a secret section of THAT library (which of course, it was) - Then of course the red warning lights really starting flashing when instead of getting some other authorities involved, Ellois starts quietly ushering all the witnesses out of the library, casually mentions specializing in the same type of magic as all the traps and then insists on hanging out in the back to "protect against attackers" from the EMPTY LIBRARY ROOM. I was ssccrreeeeccchhhing! xD
Maybe slight spoilers I can't stress this enough but Aila get advantage on dex saves from spells and traps due to her feral sense ability as a barbarian!!!
I believe it's called danger sense but as long as the PC is present it should be open to discussion. It is however one more way Tom demonstrated that he doesn't really have a grasped on Aila's mechanics in this episode. Though considering the number of times he's subbed in I don't think it's entirely surprising.
I love Tom's rp, "but" in combat he forgets and is unaware of many things, like all the effects of the entangle spell or how grapple works... He kind of triggered me^^
Worth pointing out that there's a technical distinction between grappling and pinning in 5e. Grappling applies the *grappled* condition to a target. Pinning is a special action granted by the grappler feat that lets you apply the *restrained* condition to a creature you already have grappled.
I wish they weren't bad XD. Jesus christ if they spent 30 minutes to learn base rules and or what each other could do it would make these fights so much easier for them
Mark should watch the video "7 ways d&d players destroyed their dms plans" Also Ayla gets advantage on dex saves No advantage on attacks bc restrained... Elois Nixon
Assuming smeek has regular gobbo stats Str 8 Dex 14 Con 10 Int 10 Wis 8 Cha 8 It seems his primary stats are dex and int (surprisingly). Mechanically, rogue, arcane trickster would probably be best for him, but mark doesnt make smeek to be viable. Im guessing he will become a storm sorcerer or tempest cleric if he gets resurrected.
@@shadowstrike7246 id love to see smeek as tempest cleric who heals by usinv his hands as defibrillators and just shocks them back to health. I have full faith that the party will bring smeek back, purely to annoy Tom. Besides, if love to see smeek be a better healer than quill.
I find it impressive that although that one decision of the party completly blindsided Mar, he was still capable of keeping things going good improvisation skills good sir. Also I have a few questions about this episode if you don't mind answering. (in case someone is reading the comments before watching the video I will need to talk about the ending portion so stop reading if you don't want spoilers) 1. Sentry knocked the bad guy(don't remember how to spell his name) unconscious with an non leathal blow(2:40:56) would he still have needed the first death saving throw? if not would that mean that by the end he would have failed two instead of three? 2. Now that the party has been brookstoned again will they make the last room of the ship an interrogation room and make everyone of the crew go through it before leaving? 3. In one of the attacks after quill restrained the "guardian" and brookstone 2.0 they got advantage against Aila when the spell also gave them disadvantage in their attacks if I remember correctly, so does reckles attacking overwrite that and that is why they got advantege? 4. Can someone make a meme of Mark's "Oh S*" face when he realized what the bane spell could have done?(2:01:39)
1. Mark addressed this on Twitter, he realized his mistake and the cast replayed the fight from there off scenes but everyone was too far to heal Ellois and he still failed the last save 3. Attacking with reckless gives you advantage but also makes all attacks against you that round have advantage
@@thomasbartlett9799 1.Ok thanks, I wonder if the sky prince will believe them when they tell him about Ellois. About number 3. yes I know but quill used his struments of the bards to ensnare them (is that the name of the spell?) and that gives them disadvantage doesn't it? Or reckless overwrite that disadvantage?
He was so guilty, I mean what kind of experienced Wizard who served as pretty much magic police and then magical help for the city doesn't have detect magic or dispel magic? Red flags everywhere. I absolutely love this episode (^.^)
1:39:01 she sends in echo, correct me if im wrong, but im pretty sure echo exploded in the attack with the fireball bomb. Did they repair it? cuz im sure i didnt hear them repairing it.
Quill being the clerik: I wanna deal damage and attack stuff Nova being the warlock: Let's heal everybody and keep them alive Ayla bing a Barbarian: I gonna wrestle the wizard instead of dealing damage Lucius being a sorcerer: bein unconcious most of the time (so in character for the class) Sentry being a Paladin: Do we kill or do we knock out?! (IDK if that is typical Paladin, but it's typical Paladin D&D player ;))
As far as the paladin thing the old style which is reflected in the Oaths of both Devotion and Redemption shouldn't even be considering killing if they have other options. I think Rhiannon's character is Oath of the Ancients though. Not a likely thought but not necessarily out of the question.
Spoiler: I did suspect Elois from the start. Never trust a politician. Plus Quils vision of the stave sold it for me. Since Mark introduced Elois when he had the staff. It wasnt confirmed that it was the same stave, but i felt it in me bones. Also RIP Smeek. Glad we spent a whole episode wasting money on him. RIP the thousand gold. Healing Word guys...c'mon
Wait, so I’m confused... I always thought that when you reduce an opponents health to 0 non-lethally, they don’t have to make death saving throws??? I’ve done it like that in my games 🙁
Miss Vivian Yeh I know, I’m on about at the end of the last combat on here where they clearly said they were knocking out that elf guy non-lethally but Mark still had him rolling a death saving throw (he rolled one even before Aila hit his body with that lightning)
Ragsy x DM mistake. Regardless, after aila threw the hammer, he started making saves. Since he had to quickly wrap up, and Ellois was statistically more likely to die, he ruled that he did
Shadow Strike 72 oh...he wasn’t meant to do the Death Saves, that’s what confused me lol. Anyway, i think you’re giving Mark too much credit lol, I think it was just a true slip of the mind. I don’t think statistics and likelihood was anything to do with it (after all, it’s DND and there’s nothing stopping him from rolling three saves the next couple of throws)
@@mafiablokes He even acknowledged that the guy was knocked out. I don't know what could have restarted the death saving throws, because Aila's lightning should have had an attack roll to do that and nothing else went his way.
@@HighRollersDnD can't appreciate an npc counterspell without being called out, i see how it is ( gonna be marathoning the rest of the episodes thru the weekend, love you guys !!
This reminds me of the one time during my dnd group we killed our DM's 2 main villains that were supposed to show up later back to back. He was so mad lol.
@@o.d.d.792 Well one of of the party was a divine sorcerer that was able to convince the first boss he was on his side and was able to use poison (which he was vulnerable to) on him in disguise of healing him after a previous scuffle. We then came in and finished him off. When he died a dark cloud came out of his body which we didn't know what it was. The ranger decided to take out an empty jar that we had randomly found and put it in it. The ranger made a wisdom save that was only successful because of a natural 20 he rolled otherwise he would of been possessed and the jar was coincidentally what the demon was originally sealed in. It was a back-to-back series of coincidences that to this day I have never been able to top. It was glorious.
**vague episode spoilers** Literally as he started searching the room I'm thinking hold on, abjuration magic... Could it be? and I swear I was willing him on to zone of truth him but Mark was so convincing
I absolutely love when experienced players make stupid mistakes such as using up all their magic outside of combat..... even better when u consider the group as far as i recall has yet t find a superior healing potion or even many greater.... and only one ressurection per character is a rough one....
Reminds me of the first episode of Dimension 20's Fantasy High. Players blow a lot of spell slots frivolously and have to deal with it when they get into combat.
Ellois used his reaction twice: once at around 2:18 ish(shield) and then again at 2:21:30 ish(counterspell). Does he get more than one reaction per turn?
Rip Tom, he feels alone and negelcted when it comes to injury checks. But at least he's honest and tries to remember his own injury checks, so I don't mind him calling it out for others. I admire the honest play tbh.
Echo is a form of familiar. Sentry actually has a spell to bring echo back she just doesn’t mention it much (it’s how the other guardian brought echo back the first time ) So they have to recast the spell and pay the money. I mean I don’t remember them saying it but we can assume they had a week to do it.
Reed K or they just forgot. Rhiannon didn’t really bat an eye the 2nd time echo died and during their week of studying etc, she doesn’t mention fixing echo probably because she forgot after 3 weeks.
Mark: Nope trott you put your mini on a glyph for an instant, you almost insta-die Also Mark: This guy's gonna teleport here. No wait I change my mind, he's going to teleport here instead
My first thought was that they didn't even mark the space(s). Granted he can't see it so would need to remember it. Though I have to say that Mark had a point. Trott wouldn't have realized without Mark pointing it out. It isn't about taking the action back so much as it being an instance if meta gaming.
Might have gotten a lot of criticism for this one but it was a really epic battle with party members getting knocked down and getting back up so many times. RIP Smeek? Best NPC ever!
@@xiuhnani6945 like they can still be silly but I'd appreciate them taking the game just a tad bit more seriously lol I love the humor but it can get a little grating when you see someone make a blatantly stupid decision just because they weren't thinking or paying attention
Mark totally gave them a huge clue early on telling them ellois stood up with a crick in his back, because the guy that sent the assassin's had a hunched back
So know I'm like years late to this but just to point out. Quill used command on the shield guardian which would have made h deactivate on its turn not quill's therefore the eilos shouldn't have been able to reactivate it since it would have been his turn and then the guardians in which the guardian would have followed the command and deactivate. Eilos wouldn't have been able to reactivate it till the next round on his turn which he would not get a chance to do because sentry knocked him out
Am I the only one that keeps saying to himself that tom should've had her rage from the get go. Before he started to try to retrain the bbeg.....may mean nothing. But that's a barbarians bread and butter lol.
Woooof what an episode. Shame the group didn't think to roll for insight and that Mark tricked Tom into not casting Zone of truth xD still the reveal scene was pretty great
The abbey was totally set up by mark for them to fail. Also mark could have easily avoided this had he wanted to by not even mentioning the secret door.
Probably because of what Kim said about it. More important things to spend their actions on. At the end of the day, fun NPC or not, they decided he was still just an NPC.
He also had advantage from Aila attacking recklessly on her turn. Which would have resulted in netting a flat roll. But yes that was the time Tom should have reminded Mark about the entangle. Comedy of errors really.
This was maybe not Tom's episode, not doing the truth spell, missing many of Ailas mechanics and not playing barbarian correctly but it be like that sometimes.
@@danielhancock9347 since Mark's style of DM-ing isn't Adversarial the idea that he "conveniently forgot" is ridiculous. Frankly the fact that Elois let himself be trapped and didn't have more backup following from among the folks dismissed from the library was exceedingly generous of Mark. Additionally, I can ensure you as a long time DM myself that it is very very easy to forget which effects are where even in a small scale encounter. The DM is juggling a whole lot more than just stats. They are also managing the flow of the story, the current tension levels of the players, interpreting how to resolve all manner of shenanigans that the PC's throw at them, and all those stats. On top of which they're constantly jumping into and out of the headspace of multiple characters with wildly different personalities. Which I can assure you can be exceptionally disorienting. So if a player wants to be lazy and fails to remind the DM of a circumstance that would benefit them, too bloody bad, it's their own fault at that point.
@@danielhancock9347 Hanlon's Razor. Don't ascribe to malice what can readily be explained by incompetence. He forgot in the heat of the moment. Chill the fuck out.
They are treating it more as a familiar and tying it to the paladin's find familiar spell now. One of the upgrades that came with Sentry's ressurection.
Hey everyone! Mark wrote a clarification post about something that happens in this episode, link is below (DON'T CLICK UNTIL YOU'VE WATCHED THE EP! IT HAS HUGE SPOILERS!): www.reddit.com/r/highrollersdnd/comments/csfcow/clarification_for_episode_43_spoilers/
Mark, bless your heart and sence of sportsmenship. I didn't relize until I saw this post
could Quill's eye send him back in time to save sneak? he was questioning if you should trust the person. Divine interference if you want to use it dungeon master next time the party goes to sleep if you want to use it. because of the because of the armbands and the communication they can do mentally. get asked by one of the Gods if they want to use it. they all have to agree or nothing happens.
2:26:44 You can't do that. They had disadvantage because they were entangled, so Aila's reckless attack would make it a straight roll
Well this thread covers my two misgivings about this episode. Though the Aila thing should have triggered a reminder from Tom.
Even though I'm not happy when I see things like this happen it just proves that they're human beings playing a real game despite what filming it can bring to the equation.
People forget things and make mistakes. Easily forgiven when forgiveness is asked for.
A classic example of when the party does something so cool, clever and/or unexpected, the DM is both impressed and scrambling to keep the narrative afloat. Great job everyone and try not to spoil the twist please!!
With one player choice Marks darling got insta gibbed XD
Hey, thanks for telling me about the twist. Now I'm expecting it. :P
That's the trick with twists and anticipation. There is a degree of change in being brought up at all even if you don't say what it is.
Since the priestess is out of resurrections the only other place they know that can bring someone back to life would be the druid that bring them back in an other form, If they would do that to Smeek his belief of returning to life as a stronger creature would come true as most are stronger then goblins Would be quite awesome
Smeek comes back as a halfling that is hooked on coffee.
I was going to comment this!!
Tom, I'll share you a secret: If you're a barbarian and you're in combat, this is the procedure: You rage first, whack as much as you can, and then ask questions. Repeat until either you or all the enemies are dead.
so they walk into a bunch of abjuration traps and no one seems to suspect the abjuration wizard along for the ride xDD
Well the glyphs of warding weren’t that advance of a spell. symbol however was suspicious, also the fact he never offered to use dispel magic as a abjuration wizard he should have had that.
And the fact that he mentioned all of the abjuration spells they walked into. Im assuming the door was affected with arcane lock, as quill didnt see a glyph like for the other spells
Lucius mentions that Abjuration is (elouis'?) Specialty before they go through the hidden door but the rest of the party shrugged it off
@@shawnm7246 when they were first talking with him at the palace and he said "come to me, not the prince" I was sold it was him. And then Norfear said he was trustworthy... Mark was trying to hard.
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I personally think the music at the beginning is great and worth the listen! ;)
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Tom, if you ever play Katie’s character again.... attack. Use the effing hammer!!!!
Damn, that was so frustrating to watch
And then he has the gall to criticize Rhiannon using a potion on him instead of lay on hands lol
Agree though out fight was like don't grapple....just splat the wizard!
Yea, as soon as it was Aila's turn, I was yelling at my comp screen at Tom. RAGE!! RAGE YOU IDIOT!!!!
@@davidmarosek141 Tom's not an idiot. I found it frustrating too but there's no reason to call people names.
Mark baited you into not using zone of truth, and you still didn't insight Elois?
They always forget about insight and when they don't they fail it xD
Man Craziest episode in a long while. Gotta say, I love that Mark is a good sport and let's the players actually have free will even when it messes up the story he planned. I've tried watching other streams and too often the DM will manipulate the players roll for stuff when he obviously doesn't want it to work out that way, and even if they get a fairly high roll(16-18) for something simple will just be like, "nope doesn't work". Doesn't counter roll or anything, just manipulates the game because it will mess up their story.
Mark is the GOAT
Didn't he say that he weaseled his way out of a zone of truth? But joking aside he never fudged a roll for it.
Messing with game mechanics and deceiving your players in that way strikes me as a lack of integrity.
It also screws up a narrative because you have to come to grips with how that kind of behaviour fucks with the continuity.
I don't know which Actual Plays you watch but I'd kind of like a list of ones to avoid if their DMs pull that crap.
I would say that I'm very lucky to not have seen or caught somebody out with the numerous campaigns I've watched though.
@@MorinehtarTheBlue Man it's been 3 years since I left this comment lol, offhand I remember I never liked the way "The Dungeon Run" dm handled the player/story integrity always really annoyed me. Happy gaming!
I called Elois from the moment they got attacked at the house. Only Elois knew that they were traveling there and had the exact address of where she lived. Tom's vision only helped confirmed that fact with the staff that was seen.
This! It was so obvious and I can't believe they didn't suspect him.
Also it became more obvious as he dodged the zone of truth by being like "Oh I trust you guys and shouldn't tell you this but king sus" and then more and more when all the spells in the stairway were abjuration and he didn't offer help with them a single time.
He even sent away any witnesses.
Start: 2:52
Recap: 10:07
End of break: 1:30:54
Tom... Dude, gotta get those hits in early! You spent two rounds of potential damage trying to grapple a wizard! He's a wizard! High damage, low HP, gotta drop those dudes quick! Also I'm pretty sure Aila would have just cracked him in the skull right of the bat, it's what Katie would have wanted...
Seriously... Anyone who's played D&D for more than 5 minutes should know that the first thing any barbarian does in a fight is Rage then Hit the closest enemy as hard as possible as often as possible. At least until they stop moving, if not a few times more.
Not "Aila's going to rage. Obviously." in the third frigging round.
@@ElenaAideen I DM for a Rogue/Barbarian multiclass, and every single combat encounter boils down to him raging to gain advantage on Strength Checks, and then because he has Expertise in Athletics, grappling a target and pretty much guaranteeing that success. After that it's Reckless Sneak Attacks against the restrained target before moving on to the next.
@@kassiekitsune189 Just curious why the player would use reckless at that point - it seems as though the entire grappling trick is to grant them advantage without needing to use reckless.
He's kind of inconsistent with his RP by constantly talking himself out of reasons why he wouldn't just DO something, especially with God Eye. He also played how he would play the barbarian not how Aila would play her barbarian which was his bad but.. oh well.
I was amazed they didn't immediately go for his focus at least.
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man the whole time i was just screaming that it had to be Ellois.
- They say its a man and we know whoever is working against them has to be in a position of power with access to resources and wealth- so obviously its gotta be someone in the royal or noble line but is likely not the prince since there would be less sloppy ways he could get rid of a family.
-The assassins acted FAST when very few people knew that Lucius was back, so it had to be someone from the inner ring of people who knew first.
-DM makes it a point to mention certain magic users who serve the city are known as Staffs, and the head mage is called Ironstaff- then makes it a point of note that the masked man who send out the assassins has a staff.
- the room Quill saw is in the same style as the library, so either its a copy cat or a secret section of THAT library (which of course, it was)
- Then of course the red warning lights really starting flashing when instead of getting some other authorities involved, Ellois starts quietly ushering all the witnesses out of the library, casually mentions specializing in the same type of magic as all the traps and then insists on hanging out in the back to "protect against attackers" from the EMPTY LIBRARY ROOM.
I was ssccrreeeeccchhhing! xD
Maybe slight spoilers
I can't stress this enough but Aila get advantage on dex saves from spells and traps due to her feral sense ability as a barbarian!!!
Player is not there why r u even bringing it up?
I believe it's called danger sense but as long as the PC is present it should be open to discussion.
It is however one more way Tom demonstrated that he doesn't really have a grasped on Aila's mechanics in this episode.
Though considering the number of times he's subbed in I don't think it's entirely surprising.
Quill: I HEALED
Sentry: yay
She was so unenthusiastic about that I couldn't help but laugh
I love Tom's rp, "but" in combat he forgets and is unaware of many things, like all the effects of the entangle spell or how grapple works...
He kind of triggered me^^
The fact he didn't remember rage giving extra damage, not remembering rage gives adv on str checks. Its like he is a fresh new player.
Spoiler-free possibly useful timestamps:
Stream starts - 2:49
Intro video - 9:03
Recap - 10:07
Gameplay starts - 11:32
Gameplay pauses - 1:20:05
Break starts - 1:20:35
Break ends - 1:30:53
Gameplay resumes - 1:31:07
Gameplay Ends - 2:51:18
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Mark is so damn good at making and telling a story. He really can bring all his characters to life so well!
THAT FAN MUSIC WAS AMAZING OMG!!
Worth pointing out that there's a technical distinction between grappling and pinning in 5e. Grappling applies the *grappled* condition to a target. Pinning is a special action granted by the grappler feat that lets you apply the *restrained* condition to a creature you already have grappled.
I wish they rolled more insight checks :(
I wish they weren't bad XD. Jesus christ if they spent 30 minutes to learn base rules and or what each other could do it would make these fights so much easier for them
what are they critical role
Mark should watch the video "7 ways d&d players destroyed their dms plans"
Also Ayla gets advantage on dex saves
No advantage on attacks bc restrained...
Elois Nixon
Mark rule broke/forgot others as well. Since the mage got two reactions twice.
He probably has. High Rollers and Oxventures have done a crossover after all.
When the hell are they going to make Smeek an actual character and make him a storm Herald barbarian like Ayla
NOT ANYMORE
Assuming smeek has regular gobbo stats
Str 8
Dex 14
Con 10
Int 10
Wis 8
Cha 8
It seems his primary stats are dex and int (surprisingly).
Mechanically, rogue, arcane trickster would probably be best for him, but mark doesnt make smeek to be viable.
Im guessing he will become a storm sorcerer or tempest cleric if he gets resurrected.
@@shadowstrike7246 id love to see smeek as tempest cleric who heals by usinv his hands as defibrillators and just shocks them back to health. I have full faith that the party will bring smeek back, purely to annoy Tom. Besides, if love to see smeek be a better healer than quill.
Shadow Strike 72 Mark said in past episode Smeek’s INT is 6, so it must be different from default goblins
I find it impressive that although that one decision of the party completly blindsided Mar, he was still capable of keeping things going good improvisation skills good sir. Also I have a few questions about this episode if you don't mind answering. (in case someone is reading the comments before watching the video I will need to talk about the ending portion so stop reading if you don't want spoilers)
1. Sentry knocked the bad guy(don't remember how to spell his name) unconscious with an non leathal blow(2:40:56) would he still have needed the first death saving throw? if not would that mean that by the end he would have failed two instead of three?
2. Now that the party has been brookstoned again will they make the last room of the ship an interrogation room and make everyone of the crew go through it before leaving?
3. In one of the attacks after quill restrained the "guardian" and brookstone 2.0 they got advantage against Aila when the spell also gave them disadvantage in their attacks if I remember correctly, so does reckles attacking overwrite that and that is why they got advantege?
4. Can someone make a meme of Mark's "Oh S*" face when he realized what the bane spell could have done?(2:01:39)
1. Mark addressed this on Twitter, he realized his mistake and the cast replayed the fight from there off scenes but everyone was too far to heal Ellois and he still failed the last save
3. Attacking with reckless gives you advantage but also makes all attacks against you that round have advantage
@@thomasbartlett9799 1.Ok thanks, I wonder if the sky prince will believe them when they tell him about Ellois. About number 3. yes I know but quill used his struments of the bards to ensnare them (is that the name of the spell?) and that gives them disadvantage doesn't it? Or reckless overwrite that disadvantage?
@@thomasbartlett9799 Thats a bit bullshit..
NOVA HAD SPARE THE DYING AS CANTRIP
Grand Master Cultist Of Ben yah she didn’t get a chance to use it cause the robot ran out of range
@@thomasbartlett9799 hmmm
He was so guilty, I mean what kind of experienced Wizard who served as pretty much magic police and then magical help for the city doesn't have detect magic or dispel magic? Red flags everywhere. I absolutely love this episode (^.^)
1:39:01 she sends in echo, correct me if im wrong, but im pretty sure echo exploded in the attack with the fireball bomb. Did they repair it? cuz im sure i didnt hear them repairing it.
I believe they treat echo as Sentry’s Find Steed now - all she needs is 10 minutes and a 2nd level slot
Trot: This is what D&D is all about... screwing over your DM, and the entire party, with smart roleplay.
Tom: [winks at camera]
New music is awesome. Epidemic Sound you rock
The Gusthaven fan music at the start is also fantastic!
NOOO SMEEK
WHY DOES EVERYONE I DRAW FANART OF DIE IN THE NEXT EPISODE?! FIRST NIGHTFROST NOW THIS 😭😭
I should never read comments haha
Quill being the clerik: I wanna deal damage and attack stuff
Nova being the warlock: Let's heal everybody and keep them alive
Ayla bing a Barbarian: I gonna wrestle the wizard instead of dealing damage
Lucius being a sorcerer: bein unconcious most of the time (so in character for the class)
Sentry being a Paladin: Do we kill or do we knock out?! (IDK if that is typical Paladin, but it's typical Paladin D&D player ;))
As far as the paladin thing the old style which is reflected in the Oaths of both Devotion and Redemption shouldn't even be considering killing if they have other options.
I think Rhiannon's character is Oath of the Ancients though. Not a likely thought but not necessarily out of the question.
Spoiler:
I did suspect Elois from the start. Never trust a politician.
Plus Quils vision of the stave sold it for me. Since Mark introduced Elois when he had the staff. It wasnt confirmed that it was the same stave, but i felt it in me bones.
Also RIP Smeek. Glad we spent a whole episode wasting money on him. RIP the thousand gold.
Healing Word guys...c'mon
Don't forget, Lucious cut his hair and stuff...
I hope Rhiannon takes control of Aila.
Big thanks to Mark trott Kim Katie Tom and rhiannon you've all been a big inspiration to watch I finally started my first campaign yesterday
Rest in peace Smeak
You shall live on forever in our memories
😥😭🪦
What an episode
My heart is still beating
It's like all the PCs have "Betray me" written on their backs!
Instant like... I love this series.
Mark Hulmes, you legend
2:26:00 correct me if I'm wrong but the guardian's entangled so it can't make an attack roll with advantage
No correction necessary. Mark forgot it and Tom didn't remind him.
Wait, so I’m confused... I always thought that when you reduce an opponents health to 0 non-lethally, they don’t have to make death saving throws??? I’ve done it like that in my games 🙁
That only happens If you say "I'm going to knock out not kill" or say "Not lethal"
Miss Vivian Yeh I know, I’m on about at the end of the last combat on here where they clearly said they were knocking out that elf guy non-lethally but Mark still had him rolling a death saving throw (he rolled one even before Aila hit his body with that lightning)
Ragsy x DM mistake.
Regardless, after aila threw the hammer, he started making saves.
Since he had to quickly wrap up, and Ellois was statistically more likely to die, he ruled that he did
Shadow Strike 72 oh...he wasn’t meant to do the Death Saves, that’s what confused me lol. Anyway, i think you’re giving Mark too much credit lol, I think it was just a true slip of the mind. I don’t think statistics and likelihood was anything to do with it (after all, it’s DND and there’s nothing stopping him from rolling three saves the next couple of throws)
@@mafiablokes He even acknowledged that the guy was knocked out. I don't know what could have restarted the death saving throws, because Aila's lightning should have had an attack roll to do that and nothing else went his way.
Guardian had disadvantage from tangle which should cancel out advantage from reckless
They seem to get overexcited and just roll the dice.
An episode on my birthday, that is all I ever wanted. :)
Happy Birthday!
Lukemander Aw thank you, you’re very kind! 😊
as someone who plays an abjuration wizard, this was suuuch a delight to watch ahahhh
BROOKSTONE *points accusingly*
@@HighRollersDnD can't appreciate an npc counterspell without being called out, i see how it is
( gonna be marathoning the rest of the episodes thru the weekend, love you guys !!
it feels like so long i've been waiting for this, it didn't go up as a VOD on twitch so i had to wait for it to come here :o
it wasn't streamed on the highrollers channel due to tech issues as you had to got to the yogscast twitch
@@porpoiseful253 i keep forgetting it gets streamed there too haha, maybe i'll remember next time this happens
Spoliers
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SSSMMMEEEEKKKK. NNNNOOOOO
They better resurrect my boi.
Or maybe reincarnate him.
Dragonborn Smeek anyone?
o7 honor his name the only ways you can. Spam in your heart and the chat for rambuncous NPC's
No, half orc smeek
Dragon smeek
Amazing episode as always! What a scrap at the end! I did wonder about the death saving throws so thanks for clarifying! You're all fantastic!
This reminds me of the one time during my dnd group we killed our DM's 2 main villains that were supposed to show up later back to back. He was so mad lol.
@@o.d.d.792 Well one of of the party was a divine sorcerer that was able to convince the first boss he was on his side and was able to use poison (which he was vulnerable to) on him in disguise of healing him after a previous scuffle. We then came in and finished him off. When he died a dark cloud came out of his body which we didn't know what it was. The ranger decided to take out an empty jar that we had randomly found and put it in it. The ranger made a wisdom save that was only successful because of a natural 20 he rolled otherwise he would of been possessed and the jar was coincidentally what the demon was originally sealed in. It was a back-to-back series of coincidences that to this day I have never been able to top. It was glorious.
now we will never see smeek deal the finishing blow on starbane
I had to leave the stream early last session and all I have to say is I can't belive you've done this
**vague episode spoilers** Literally as he started searching the room I'm thinking hold on, abjuration magic... Could it be? and I swear I was willing him on to zone of truth him but Mark was so convincing
Umm... did they just forget that echo got blown up in Nanny Nophea's house?
I absolutely love when experienced players make stupid mistakes such as using up all their magic outside of combat..... even better when u consider the group as far as i recall has yet t find a superior healing potion or even many greater.... and only one ressurection per character is a rough one....
Reminds me of the first episode of Dimension 20's Fantasy High. Players blow a lot of spell slots frivolously and have to deal with it when they get into combat.
Ellois used his reaction twice: once at around 2:18 ish(shield) and then again at 2:21:30 ish(counterspell). Does he get more than one reaction per turn?
Probably not, Mark just forgot that he had already used it.
Rip Tom, he feels alone and negelcted when it comes to injury checks. But at least he's honest and tries to remember his own injury checks, so I don't mind him calling it out for others. I admire the honest play tbh.
Rhi with the big mvp strats 😯
Wasn't echo destroyed not long ago, i don't remember him being repaired again... Unless im mistaken
DoulosDesign92 I think they repaired him
It's probably assumed because weeks have passed
echo was rebuilt when sentry was resurrected at the forge
@@elijahbielefeldt-cada6639 except in episode 40 at 24:24 in the nannys apartment, the fireball that appeared destroyed it again
@@DoulosDesign92 When Sentry was resurrected she got certain upgrades. Including Echo being a familiar accessed through the Finsmd Steed spell.
Just casually finding the final boss, those are some skills!
Wait didnt echo die when the fire ball bomb got warped into nanny's house
Echo can come back I believe
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They had a week of down time since then, I expect she fixed echo during that time.
Echo is a form of familiar. Sentry actually has a spell to bring echo back she just doesn’t mention it much (it’s how the other guardian brought echo back the first time )
So they have to recast the spell and pay the money. I mean I don’t remember them saying it but we can assume they had a week to do it.
Reed K or they just forgot. Rhiannon didn’t really bat an eye the 2nd time echo died and during their week of studying etc, she doesn’t mention fixing echo probably because she forgot after 3 weeks.
Mark: Nope trott you put your mini on a glyph for an instant, you almost insta-die
Also Mark: This guy's gonna teleport here. No wait I change my mind, he's going to teleport here instead
My first thought was that they didn't even mark the space(s). Granted he can't see it so would need to remember it.
Though I have to say that Mark had a point. Trott wouldn't have realized without Mark pointing it out.
It isn't about taking the action back so much as it being an instance if meta gaming.
Might have gotten a lot of criticism for this one but it was a really epic battle with party members getting knocked down and getting back up so many times. RIP Smeek? Best NPC ever!
It costs nothing to be nice...but it costs nothing to do an insight check, too :P
53:32 - "And this one is still in the plastic wrap!"
Lesson of this episode always go with your gut lol
Why does like every person betray you guys?
Well it's kindof their fault for literally never rolling insight.
@@xiuhnani6945 I would love mark to dm a game with more competent players 😂
@@omniXenderman Nah, this makes it so much more fun! I can always rely on Trott to make my Sundays lol
@@xiuhnani6945 like they can still be silly but I'd appreciate them taking the game just a tad bit more seriously lol I love the humor but it can get a little grating when you see someone make a blatantly stupid decision just because they weren't thinking or paying attention
@@omniXenderman Yeah I get you. Yo but you'd hate Dogues Gambit XD! That was a catastrophe! lol
... I just realized that Quill is now robot chicken
Literally just finished the last episode
Insight is such a great skill ain't it?
Mark totally gave them a huge clue early on telling them ellois stood up with a crick in his back, because the guy that sent the assassin's had a hunched back
So know I'm like years late to this but just to point out. Quill used command on the shield guardian which would have made h deactivate on its turn not quill's therefore the eilos shouldn't have been able to reactivate it since it would have been his turn and then the guardians in which the guardian would have followed the command and deactivate. Eilos wouldn't have been able to reactivate it till the next round on his turn which he would not get a chance to do because sentry knocked him out
Spoilers:
46:00
"What do you think of taking Elois?"
"Couldn't hurt" *shrugs*
MonkaS
i love how in this series the tanks never tank and the healer and the squishy sorcerer do aha
Am I the only one that keeps saying to himself that tom should've had her rage from the get go. Before he started to try to retrain the bbeg.....may mean nothing. But that's a barbarians bread and butter lol.
Every. Single. Person. Could have made it over that glyph!! Screaming at this video 3 years too late does no good but COME ON LMAOOOO
Tom: So, we want to know who was here a while ago... Well, I guess I could have a vision for what happens if we step on the glyph instead.
Elois was already shielded when mark cast the 2nd shield. The shield lasts until the creature's turn.
1:06:42 "Don't open this"
1:57:21 I got rid of the glyph
58:16
1:18:14
2:11:16
goddamn it, kim used insight checks every 20 seconds during lightfall. everyone seems to have forgotten about it :(
The result was hilarious though
Jiutou was suspicious of everyone and everything! Nova is a naive idiot who trusts everyone wayyyyyyyyyyy too much. Maybe one day she'll learn...
Kim what about Aila’s people
2:26:06 I am screaming disadvantage because of entangling!
Woooof what an episode. Shame the group didn't think to roll for insight and that Mark tricked Tom into not casting Zone of truth xD still the reveal scene was pretty great
2nd time they skipped on marks plans, first the abbey now this
The abbey was totally set up by mark for them to fail. Also mark could have easily avoided this had he wanted to by not even mentioning the secret door.
Why was I more upset that smeek died then when sentry or quill died?
Probably because of what Kim said about it. More important things to spend their actions on.
At the end of the day, fun NPC or not, they decided he was still just an NPC.
The guardian that hit aila behind the wall had disadvantage from entangle no advantage he would have missed twice
He also had advantage from Aila attacking recklessly on her turn. Which would have resulted in netting a flat roll.
But yes that was the time Tom should have reminded Mark about the entangle.
Comedy of errors really.
This was maybe not Tom's episode, not doing the truth spell, missing many of Ailas mechanics and not playing barbarian correctly but it be like that sometimes.
Mark, I thought they used non lethal force? Why was he making death saving throws???
Well done Mark.
Never again let Tom play a barbarian if a barbarian is face to face with a caster they have to smash
Also add 2 for strength related damage you loast 20 points over the battle
why did he bleed out when sentry said she will knock him out Hume even said that only melee attacks count as two death saves
So good. Great acting, Mark.
I've been here my players uncovered my big boss too soon although no one died it was close tho
Mark messed up because the guardian was entangled which gave it disadvantage as well
To be fair, it's as much Tom's job to know what his spell does and to remind Mark that his spell is affecting the creature.
"Messed up" or conveniently "forgot". An I'm not sure that something that happened under a minute previously needed reminding
@@danielhancock9347 since Mark's style of DM-ing isn't Adversarial the idea that he "conveniently forgot" is ridiculous. Frankly the fact that Elois let himself be trapped and didn't have more backup following from among the folks dismissed from the library was exceedingly generous of Mark.
Additionally, I can ensure you as a long time DM myself that it is very very easy to forget which effects are where even in a small scale encounter. The DM is juggling a whole lot more than just stats. They are also managing the flow of the story, the current tension levels of the players, interpreting how to resolve all manner of shenanigans that the PC's throw at them, and all those stats. On top of which they're constantly jumping into and out of the headspace of multiple characters with wildly different personalities. Which I can assure you can be exceptionally disorienting. So if a player wants to be lazy and fails to remind the DM of a circumstance that would benefit them, too bloody bad, it's their own fault at that point.
@@ElenaAideen you're definitely right! Tom could have remembered that as well I'm not sure how he didn't seems like a big misplay but no harm, no foul
@@danielhancock9347 Hanlon's Razor. Don't ascribe to malice what can readily be explained by incompetence.
He forgot in the heat of the moment. Chill the fuck out.
What are the tracks played on break and where can i find them?
1:38:58 Didn't Echo die in the tower blast?
They are treating it more as a familiar and tying it to the paladin's find familiar spell now. One of the upgrades that came with Sentry's ressurection.
@@MorinehtarTheBlue This comment was almost 2 years ago friend. Im well aware
2:38:58 Minutes before this I wanted Tom to ask if the Guardian had summoning sickness!! 😂
1:49:50 I made the sound like the guy in the 'oh shit it's a bear' vine
The guardian should not have rolled with advantage... It's restrained
Thank the makers for rage and danger sense....
Why didn't you move!! 2:38:26