Viewer Request - Generations Enterprise D VS USS Voyager - Star Trek Starship Battles
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- Опубликовано: 18 июн 2024
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Today we have a request and it is to put the USS Enterprise D from Star Trek Generations against the USS Voyager.
This is an interesting matchup, as we know Voyager is highly advanced and can match the Galaxy Class in some areas.
However I feel this may be a bit much for Voyage. The Galaxy Class is an absolute power house.
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That full spread of Galaxy photons is so strong it's ridiculous. If the AI actually used it that battle as the Intrepid against the Galaxy might have gone a bit differently.
You can't cover that spread 😄
You forgot to mention Voyager's ability to produce unlimited supplies of torpedos and shuttles out of thin air...
🤣🤣🤣 A definite advantage 🖖
nah that was tuvok pulling them out of his arse and loading them into the launcher lol
Ans the galaxy
Lol
'Captain, suggest we raise shields.'
'Not yet, Mr Worf'
"That's a Galaxy class starship. We are no match for them." - Be'tor, just before they cheated.
I love how they've remembered to use ALL of the phaser arrays that are located all over the ships, including the nacelle mounted ones :D
6:35 Now do another one with a photon Intrepid and see if the human factor can make up the difference.
5:40 What they should've planned to do was convert Dreadnought into an escort ship for Voyager and started a little support fleet. It was able to be completely autonomous, so it wouldn't have even needed a dedicated crew.
That would have been cool.
"Small ship" remembering that Voyager is larger than a refit Connie and that was scaled around the size of major naval aircraft carriers of the 60s.
None of which is relevant here
It was small compared to some of the mid-late 24th century starfleet designs. The galaxy and nebula classes in particular are almost unbelievably vast.
That's why Quark charges so much for quantum torpedoes. 😀
I wonder where he gets them.
The human factor won. The AI just didn't use the Intrepid's maneuverability to its full extent.
A smuggler or, cheap knockoffs that aren't quite as almost as powerful but not quite.
Impressive, how the Enterprise D handles quantum torpedoes! Especially, since it was built before quantum torpedoes existed 🖖
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As it is often said, a Starship is only as good as it's captain. Now personally I'd love to see a cannon story where Sisko, Picard (in the TNG era) and Janeway had to team up and utilize their signature ships, the Enterprise D, Voyager and the Defiant.
I thought that in the at least episode Janeway specified that Voyager had a new more powerful phaser array and a different type of photon torpedo....
3:37 impressive to still be fighting with a 100 meter hole cut through 10+ decks 😂
Always found that if you want to wipe the floor with your opponent when your in an Intrepid - just park yourself above them. It can fire something like 5 peew peews at once from under the ship and recharge quickly, that would more than likely pummel the Galaxys shields in a couple of reloads while the intrepid's shields can tank the fire back long enough... assuming your not parked right in front of the torpedoes that is.
Omg AI absolutely sucks flying the Galaxy class, one torpedo at a time 😂
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This may be a bit much to do. But a how about a battle like what the Defiant Class was meant to do when it was designed. A fleet of 30 of them against a single Borg Cube.
In Dreadnought also, Janeway remarks that Voyager was fitted with Tyxe VI torpedoes - so I am guessing theyre the more powerful being used by the more modern ships in Starfleet at the time also
Type 6 Photon torpedo warheads had a 24KG reactants capacity enough for a 200 instone yield per warhead 8x a standard Photon torpedoe.
Don't worry retro.
Voyagers repair team is so great all that damage would be repaired in the next episode 😊
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Retro, voyager must have sone crew members who are descendents of the Amish. It is only logical 🤣
2:14 that's because Mr Worf was messing about with the ship parameters on the holodeck
This is almost sacreligious but so satisfying.
Why does no one ever remember Voyager has Tri-Cobalt Devices
Had.
@@Maxiius has
@@HayturThey had 2. And they used them both in the pilot.
Whether they used them up or not in the show doesn't really have any bearing in a theoretical match up.
@@xDownSetxthis is the correct answer right here. Every ship in this game has its full armaments with it. So seems silly that voyager wouldn’t but as I suspect it’s probably just because people forgot
This went pretty much how I expected - a linebacker running through a quarterback.
I actually was thinking about that same exact episode (VOY: Dreadnought) with that same exact thought on Monday this week. I was thinking that Voyager would have been able to take the ship and then land on a planet and begin modifiying Voyager with all the weapon array from the dreadnought and put them on voyager (Q-Torpedoes, phasers, etc.). This refit would go on for 2 or 3 episodes, at which point they would get attacked. The AI on the ship would join the voyager crew as well.
Couple that with the Isokinetic Cannon and Voyager would have been absolutely terrifying.
I am surprised that Voyager's phaser yield was basically equal to the Generations-era Galaxy. That would partially explain how they were able to fend off attacks from seemingly stronger ships in the Delta Quadrant.
Intrepid is an excellent light cruiser/heavy destroyer. But the Galaxy is a battleship for a reason.
Having seen so many Voyager episodes, I can safely say the shields being trash and immediately taking hull damage is 100% episode accurate.😂
Remember that one Dominion ship one-shotting Galaxy class on their first encounter?
One-shotting? The Odyssey took multiple hits with energy weapons that passed straight through their shields and lasted a reasonable amount of time before a Jem Hadar ship rammed the engineering section of the ship.
That ship may say USS Voyager, but it isn't Voyager. It has none of the upgrades that Voyager got over its journey (and not just armor and transphasics, but shields that would be almost double the strength of a stock Intrepid, enhanced weapons from the time that they had One on board, maybe that cannon Janeway bought from that gun runner than one time, etc.). Until someone makes a version that does, I don't think you should really be putting "vs Voyager" in your titles.
This is the Voyager that came outta Earth Station McKinley in 2371, base Intrepid-class, so yes it _is_ Voyager, just not the one we got after 7 years in the Delta Quadrant
Tech of the week doesn't count. Or the Ent D will get some goodies too.
There’s no way Voyager’s phasers should be as powerful as the Galaxy class - the emitters in the strip all add up to one beam - the Galaxy has 200 in each of the big saucer arrays. Voyager’s don’t even go all the way around its smaller saucer. But phasers don’t matter much in this game anyway.
Galaxy class with data at the helm and crusher on weapons your dead 😂😂
I feel like the bot didn't take full advantage of Voyager's maneuverability. The Galaxy class is MASSIVE and not as maneuverable. Not saying Voyager is a sure win, but her maneuverability is a major factor that Janeway even used to outdo the Borg. I'll never forget Janeway flying Voyager directly above a cube's hull, just blasting away and tanking hits.
If I recall the bit about modifying the quantum torpedo's from the Dreadnought, that was probably only needed because they were Cardassian in origin rather than Starfleet tech. Which might go to show just how similar their levels of technology were.
Video - Battle is funny.🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟.
For the same power, you would expect a smaller ship to have stronger shields. The bigger the ship, the more energy you would spend. The strength of a ships shields would be something like 1/4πr^2. That is assuming the ship has the shape of a perfectly spherical cow.
False assumption- you're assuming they have the same power source. It's not likely that a 4.5 megaton ship would not have a far larger engine output than a 700 k ton ship . Enterprises engine core several times the size of voyagers
@@markmullins8622, The growth in power required is not linear it is exponential. The Enterprise might take hundreds of times more power for the same level of protection.
@s.patrickmarino7289 a. Please don't presume to lecture me.
B. You're missing the point. The galaxy class Has a far larger and more powerful warp core. It has power to burn.
@@markmullins8622, Just do the math. If the Enterprise is twice the size, it would take eight times the power, just to have the same level of shields. If the Enterprise was three times the size, it would take 36 times the power, just to have the same shields. If the Enterprise is eight times larger, it takes 64 times the power, just to have the same shields.
@@s.patrickmarino7289 again you're missing the point. I'm not going to argue with someone being deliberately abtuse
Oh wow, the size difference is enormous, I'm very surprised voyager lasted as long as it did in the delta quadrant.
Voyager had 15 decks. Enterprise D had 42. Voyager was much closer to the size of the original Enterprise (TOS 1701). It's half the width, height, and depth of a Galaxy class vessel. So, in terms of internal volume, Enterprise D had 8 times the internal volume of the original Enterprise (and Voyager). That's why our comments regarding maneuverability are so germane. It had substantially much less mass and could move a lot faster and more responsively (bioneural gel packs also, hello).
This simulation is by no means an accurate representation despite the nice graphics. I'm not mad at the attempt to compare them, but it is precisely that: an attempt.
I heard the Gadet Mobile in my head say "I cannot take this anymore" First of all, Voyager has an increase in system performance due to the bioneural gel packs, but forgetting that, it has a secondary deflector. 2 deflectors vs incoming forward facing photon torpedoes...forget it! Now forgetting those, doesn't voyager have regenerative shielding. But forgetting that, and forgetting the tricobalt weapons, Voyager can put 16 (or 32) torpedoes in the air for every 10 Enterprise can. And without any of that, when Voyage came out it was supposed to have carried as much firepower, more energy, and greater shielding than the Galaxy Class, but in a smaller more agile frame.
I love how the galaxy class phaser banks are spoiling up before they fire
Human factor won! Ty for the video and LLAP!
5:05 What‽ No insert of a Worf scowling 😄
I'd like to see this battle again but with voyager having the plate armor.
Maneuverability is a factor, too. The Galaxy class full spread of torpedoes is irrelevant if the opponent can stay outside their firing arc.
Funny how you fired more torpedoes then in the opening salvo then the Big E did in ST:Generations
I would have liked to see if just plain photon armed Voyager had a chance over the Galaxy with your guidance. Quantum Voyager almost cruised to victory.
Fantastical
Voyager and the D vs E would be highly logical 🖖
Seems to say Dauntless on the Galaxy class soooooo I’m fairly certain it’s not the Enterprise-D. But then I saw the battle and it was right. End of day it’s ridiculous to think the voyager or rather an intrepid class would stand any chance against a Galaxy class.
Voyager is a long range science vessel. It was literally made for what happened to it. The only thing that doesn't make sense is why a science vessel was sent to investigate a rebel ship and no standing plans for long range exploration. You know, the thing it was made for. The crew should have already been ready to be gone 5-10 years.
Do a Dominion wartime modified Galaxy class. Those were incredible
well, voyager has tricobalt... so yeah
For the record, the Intrepid had Mark VII phaser arrrays against Mark X phasers for the Galaxy. Not even close.
Not true They had Type X according to Rick Sternbach the ship designer and MK95 torpedoe launchers each can fire twelve torpedoes at ounce.
@@jasonwestwood7092 Are you talking aboutthe Intrepids or the Galaxies?
INTREPID CLASS.
For the record the Constitution class refit 2271 onwards had type 7 Phaser names six twin mounted.
depends if it has the Borg upgrades and Assimilated Regenerative Shield Array
Human factor, yes - mostly because the AI never uses the Full Spread option.
There's a few obvious limitations to this simulator. The first of which being that it doesn't account for obvious technology advances in the newer ships. In this context, Voyager frequently made changes to shield modulations as well as phaser modulations/frequencies. It was able to go toe-to-toe with a Borg cube for much longer than the Enterprise-D ever did (with the exception of the very first encounter in "Q Who").
Also, Voyager wouldn't have had quantum torpedoes, though you could have included a few tricobalt devices instead (e.g. Voyager: "Caretaker"). It also doesn't factor in Voyager's inherent maneuverability vs a ship of a larger mass (i.e. harder to obtain a lock and that assumes Janeway didn't do something to muck with the targeting scanners of the Enterprise-D).
There's a lot of variables here - not just technology. It doesn't count the captain or crew of either ships and their respective strategies and experience. I don't know that I would give the edge to either ship. I think this would be much closer to a draw.
In fact, this is the lesson in TNG's episode "Peak Performance". Kolrami expected Riker to lose on the Hathaway for exactly the same assumptions you made at the start. Riker's team came up with a Hail Mary, sure, but that's rather the point I'm making: You're making too many assumptions and removing the factors that would be essentially your wildcards in a fight.
Now give Voyager Transphasic Torpedoes and see how long a Galaxy class lasts! :D
Harry: hall damage decks 10-15!!!!
Janeway: seal them off!!!
And even today in 2024 I can still bite my nails of WHY the USS Odyssey did not UNLOAD all it's photon torpedo's on just those 3 Jem H'adar fighters and in Generations the USS Enterprise af torpedo launcher was not out of commission, even Riker said, hit them with full spread, while Worf only fired one torpedo. Poor Worf, was he finally allowed to hit them with everything the ship could give, and he fired only one torpedo. Point is, in both instances the torpedo's of both the Odyssey and the Enterprise were totally not used. And the argument that Jem H'adar fighters were to maneuverable goes out of the window since many of them were shot down when the Dominion attacked DS9.
Always annoys me when people think Voyager because it's a more advanced design would have no trouble destroying the Enterprise D. This is how I'd expect the battle to go down.
Yeah the phasers on an intrepid are the same type 10’s that are on the galaxy with the exception of the venture class of the galaxy, which is the dominion war refit that version of the galaxy has the same heavy regenerative shield that the sovereign does as well as an upgraded warp core and uses six type 12 phasers and eight type 11 as well as abladive hull armor and it can also fire Quantum torpedoes
Are transphasic torpedoes considered to be more powerful in general than quantum, or just more effective against the Borg?
How about the D and Yovager both at end of life. So voyager has anti Borg weapons and D has quantum's and type XI phasers.
ah! mom and dad are fighting!
I don't know if Voyager would have used them on the Kazon. The Hirogen? DEFINITELY them. The Hirogen posed more of a threat than the Kazon. I wished they had salvaged the Quantum torpedoes from Dreadnaught.
I'm proud of the Enterprise-D destroying both Voyager and the Intrepid. Yes I agree the D is definitely superior to the Intrepid class. However, yes the human factor and the Intrepid with Quantum Torpedoes did prove to be too much for the Enterprise-D.
I def want to see a post Delta Quadrant Voyager vs Galaxy class. Voyager was a different ship than this after its upgrades.
I don't know if it is true but I read a couple years ago that the galaxy class was considered a dreadnought so if that's true I'm not surprised by how powerful it is
It could potentially have been one if utilized properly. Dominion War refits were monstrous beasts, though I don't know enough about them to know if they could genuinely be classified as dreadnoughts. The Reman Scimitar is what comes to mind when I hear the word dreadnought, and that would likely have made mincemeat of a single Galaxy Refit. The Confederation World Razer probably WOULD be considered a real dreadnought, however, as I recall it being seemingly capable of destroying multiple Borg cubes on its own. Considering the Confederation annihilated the entire Collective, it seems more than plausible.
@@heartoffire5902 You are confusing size with technology levels
Terms of Power, Galaxy class wins. Galaxy class armed BURST fire torpedo launcher, meaning it can fire a consecutive spread of 5-6 rounds consecutively before reload.
Another aspect is Voyager is More agile, and has better processing.
The Venture variant Galaxy vs the Dominion war variant Intrepid
The reason why Voyager took so much damage while it shields were still up is because if the damage goes through the exact same Shield Ark at one time, you have to remember basic mathematics: if you have about 380 points of damage coming at you, and they all go through the same shield ark, and maybe that Shield are only repels 30 points of damage, then your ship has absorbed 350 points of damage. This is why the shields on Voyager were sitting at maybe 75%, but that's why you were taking 25% off of the hull Integrity each time you fired 10 Photon torpedoes in a spread.
Saw your video on installing the mods on bridge commander. Has your website been taken down?????
the only voyager varient that would beat the enterprise everytime and come out on top with very little harm done to it may actually be the future upgraded voyager with those future torpedos and cool as heck armour
request a consitution refit and a excelsior class versus a stock galaxy class
Yes the human factor came in more, but Voyager was more advanced than the Ent D.. but in the show, gosh, everyone they came across, and fired on, damage like crazy but , a day passes and all is fixed.. hmm.. love the battle🖖*sorry too much going on and I am not well sorry.
Sorry to hear that Steve. Hope you feel better soon buddy. Voyager had an amazing repair ability. All fixed in one evening 😂🖖
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Quantum torpedoes are hard to stand for a Borg Qube so....that results wasn't very wierd;) for me.
Voyager is one of my favourite series of all time, but I hated how the writers didn't allow the ship to be continuously upgraded with alien tech.
Like the Isokinetic Cannon from S4E17
Or the Borg modifications after Seven came aboard, etc.
I know they wrote in reasons for taking them off the ship but the series could have been even better had she been this uograded monstrosity.
Just imagine her returning home with all of these alien tech additions.
now give voyager OP transphasic torpedoes XD
Now gave the D the canon to 1 shot voyager
@@Ziplock9000 the phaser canon from the Q episode? warp 13!
@@randomrazr Phaser Canon or Lance? But yes. That would one shot any upgraded voyager.
Doubt it would’ve been that much different with quantum torpedos. Intrepid still massively outmatched
What about the Allegiance Class vs Federation Class?
If the crew pulled those quantum torpedoes off the dreadnought and then used them against the Kazon, there would have been no difference in the number of quantum aboard Voyager. Like their photon load and shuttlecraft during their 7 years in the Delta Quadrant... Where DS9 excelled at maintaining episode-to-episode continuity, thereby creating a much more immersive world, Voyager did the opposite. Voyager was still a good series, it just wasn't very consistent.
Can the intrepid take on an ambassador though? Still a large size difference but the tech advantage might win.
Voyage fired so many quantum torpedoes and anything else it was firing wasn't doing damagae.
Sisko + Janeway against Picard please.
If it wasn't down to studios needing profit to justify projects, I'm sure by now we'd have an Unreal 5 starship combat simulator out. Damn shame the best we can get is Elite and Star Citizen. Klingon Academy 2 anyone?
How about Enterprise D vs. Defiant?
Yeah, the Dominion War Galaxy-class would have done so much more damage to human controlled Intrepid..
This is my first super nerd moment, so bear with me but: The one I'd like to see is the Borg enhanced voyager: with quantum torpedoes. [I'm sorry, I don' tknow what it is, But I LOVE NCC-74656]
Well there is the RBG Intrepid class which is my modification, armed with quantums and a greatly improved phaser array and shields or there is the armoured Voyager which has the futuristic armour and transphasic torpedoes 🖖
What about a borg-tech Voyager versus Species 8472?
Okay was the enterprise D set permanently at low power mode for its phasers and weapon systems during TNG and its first and only movie, as what the hell lol
as the phasers and torpedos seemed drastically weaker than the TMP enterprise, here its like HOLY CRAP lol
Where do these requests come from?
3:13 It's not like we ever got to see a Galaxy-class firing 10 torpedoes at once back in the old days. To do so is the equivalent of dropping 10 nuclear bombs on a single target.
Has a basic Galaxy (like 1st season TNG) versus a basic Intrepid ever been done?
Looks like only Klingon guile could hope to win.
How about Nomad v The Doomsday Machine.
They may have the same number of arrays but the Galaxy has way more individual emitters and hence more POWER! I think the Galaxy should be able to shred an Intrepid with her phasers only.
VOYAGER HAD 14 TYPE X Phaser arrays the D 12 but the Intrepid class had new improved dilithium crystals which regulate high energy plasma at higher capacity allowing for a 24% increase in Phaser yields and F type recharges which change and recharge the arrays 20% faster.
Voyager with Quantum torpedoes was more realistic battle.
I am sure an Intrepid class armed with quantum torpedoes would still wipe the floor with even a Dominion war refit Galaxy class. Quantum torpedoes really are very powerful. Combined with Voyager's agility, no Galaxy class would stand a chance.
In universe Voyager edges out the Galaxy class in pretty much all areas.
It has more power engines and warp drive, faster more efficient computers far greater maneuverability.
It’s a galaxy class with family space removed and the latest tech tossed at it.
The only edge it has is surface area for the Hull which in a real fight means it’s just a bigger target for precision targeting.
Was a fun experiment in game though.
Funnily enough, if stranded in the Delta Quadrant the Galaxy class would have generally fared better than the Intrepid Class.
While it may have had a lower absolute top speed, it was far from being a slouch (the galaxy class was the fastest ship in Starfleet at launch). Outside of emergencies the cruising speeds of both were probably similar.
Having more conventional components instead of experimental tech like the biocircuitry would have made maintenance at lot easier (and eliminate the risk of the ship being infected and/or destroyed by things like macro viruses and Neelix’s cheese).
All that extra internal space means the Galaxy class could stock up on a lot more supplies, and it probably wouldn’t need to stop over as often as Voyager. For instance, the Galaxy class has wayyy more torpedoes and shuttles than the Intrepid, negating the need for whatever demon magic Janeway was using to replenish Voyager’s supply.
Many of the modifications Voyager made would likely work just as well on a Galaxy Class as the E-D was also modified on several occasions (including the phase cloak).
Plus, being a much larger ship the Galaxy class may have made some of the factions which attacked Voyager think twice.
@@Sonicboom2007 You underestimate the speed difference and efficiency of the warp drives between the two ships Voyager had a far higher cruising and maximum speed.
Cruising is through to be warp 5 for the Enterprise vs warp 6 for Voyager and max speed of 9.6 vs 9.975 respectively both nearly twice as fast by comparison.
Meaning the journey itself would take far longer and thus need to stop more often to resupply, take longer to cross dangerous territory and encounter more unforeseen circumstances and events.
True Enterprise has more torpedos but Voyager could outrun almost anything and thus not need to use them as often. It also being small enough that it could land planet side for repairs is a huge plus.
A larger ship also generally performs worse against multiple smaller ships, like a pack of wolves brining down a moose they will outmaneuver it and slowly wear it down.
Not only that a larger ship means more systems and decks that need to be maintained and repaired which requires even more crew you don’t get to scale up the size of a ship without any draw backs.
As for the gel packs yeah they had some quirks but it also allowed the ship to process data far faster and respond more quickly in combat situations.
The system was reliable enough that voyager survived a multi year journey without any support or refits.
@@BigHeadClan Actually, according to the tech manuals both ships are identical in terms of cruising speeds.
The Galaxy Class had a “normal” cruising speed of warp 6 which could be maintained until fuel exhaustion, a max cruising speed of warp 9.2, and a max top speed of warp 9.6 which could be sustained for 12 hours.
The warp 5 cruising speed limit was due a fleet wide order until they could solve the issue of warp travel damaging subspace(which is why the Intrepid had the moving nacelles incidentally).
The Intrepid Class had a “normal” cruising speed of warp 6 which it could maintain until fuel exhaustion, a max cruising speed of warp 9.2, and a max top speed of warp 9.975 which could be sustained for 12 hours.
So ya, Voyager was faster in a sprint, but had the same cruise speeds as the Galaxy Class. Which isn’t a knock against Intrepid Class as it could sprint faster and cruise at the same speed despite having an engine 1/4 the size, that’s still a big improvement considering the Galaxy class was top of the line at launch.
However there was a notable difference in terms of endurance: the Galaxy class was rated for 7 years of independent operations at warp 6, while the Intrepid class was rated for 3 years at warp 6. So the Galaxy Class could go for over twice as long before needing to refuel than the Intrepid Class, even after factoring in the extra maintenance and crew size. And again, repairs would rely on more regular tech as opposed to the bio neural circuitry. Plus it wouldn’t have to squeeze the extra torpedos and shuttles in the spare crew quarters :P
While the Galaxy class wasn’t as fast and maneuverable in a fight, it wouldn’t need to run away as often since due to its sheer size fewer ships would want to pick a fight with it in the first place. For instance, the Kazon went after Voyager because despite Voyager’s tech advantage they thought it was small enough that they stood a chance against it, particularly when in numbers. I doubt they’d feel the same way about the E-D.
The Galaxy class is also far from helpless against smaller ships; the Odyssey (with help from runabouts) survived several minutes of fighting against thee Jem’hader fighters despite shields not working, and was only destroyed when one of the fighters did a suicide run. Note that the Odyssey wasn’t trying to run away either, as it was providing cover while O’Brien rescued Sisko. I doubt an unshielded Voyager would have done any better.
Also, although it wasn’t used much the E-D could saucer seperate, and have two ships during a sublight battle when needed.
Outside universe, the whole point of Voyager was that it wasn’t the Enterprise, the flagship of the fleet - it was a relatively small ship (in comparison to the E-D) with a new crew getting whipped across the galaxy and having to struggle to survive with limited resources.
In-universe, it also makes sense why the Intrepid Class wasn’t built with as much endurance and range as the Galaxy Class. Post Wolf 359 Starfleet may have realized that ships as big and powerful as the Galaxy / Nebula Class were simply too valuable to send out into deep space on 5 year+ missions, but there was still plenty of exploration to do around the Federation frontier and older designs were showing their age. The Intrepid Class filled that niche; you didn’t need a Galaxy class for a sixth month to year long survey mission, but an Intrepid would suit that role nicely.
@@Sonicboom2007 I admittedly forgot the warp 5 was an artificial speed limit so fair enough.
With that said we do need to be careful not to confuse the Enterprise-D the flagship of the fleet which often had experimental upgrades with the Galaxy class itself and received upgrades. But for the sake of your argument and simply the ease of documentation we'll use it since we don't know if/when the other Galaxy classes received those upgrades later.
However re-reading and comparing two ships from the tech manual its become apparent that it isn't all that strait forward as they aren't standardized technical documents using identical verbiage, units of measurement or specifications. Enterprise is written more so like an official tech manual and Voyagers is written like the early draft of core concepts and guidelines for Voyager's writing team. For example the mission duration for Voyager (time between refueling as it calls it) is 3 years but also doesn't specify at what sustained warp speed that is.
We both assumed it was Warp 6 because as its what's commonly sited and what the Enterprise uses for its 7-year mission time but both ships list Warp 9.2 as their maximum cruising speed. A sustained cruising speed of Warp 6 would also contradict Janeways statement that it would take 75 years to make it back to the Alpha Quadrant at Maximum sustained warp when they are 70,000 lightyears away. At cruising speed of warp 6 that would be more like 200 years. Granted its entirely possible that is Voyager writing just being voyagerbut even the Voyager tech manual Rick created contradicts its own information regarding the max cruising speed and maximum warp values in the same document. Either way at 70K light years Voyager would need to sustain warp speeds of at least warp 8, so its bare minimum the same at cruising speeds of the Enterprise or significantly faster.
As for the Enterprise your point that it could go 7 years is a valid one, but the tech manual also then calls for independent refueling is required via a Fuel Tanker or space station. Both ships have Ram collectors to fuel their warp cores but the language for the Enterprise manual indicates the "a ship in distress will only continue to loose power " even with the system in use and that it isn't sustainable in the long-term. Whereas Voyager fresh out of Space-Dock went 7-years strait without access to a Starfleet ship-yard or direct resupply, so it doubled its estimated mission time and did so in the totally unimaginable situation of being stranded in the Delta quadrant it performed above-beyond what the Intrepid class was designed for.
Sure size can matter in a fight but lets face it the Kazon weren't all that bright and attempted to fight a far more technologically advanced Voyager, a larger ship that is similarly armed and slightly less advanced likely wouldn't intimidate them any more or less than Voyager. Dumb as they can be they do have sensors and can glean some basic information about the ships combat ability and weapons just like any other warp capable civilization in the Delta Quadrant. I don't think it would play any factor in a fight.
I also never said the Enterprise can't deal with smaller ships, it has a huge phaser array after-all and lots of hull to take hits but its just not suited to those fights and in real life large ships always have support or escort ships to cover for that weakness. Your example with the Odyssey actually proves my point as it had 2x Runabouts to support it and was only fighting 3 Jem'Hadar fighters craft that are about half the size (or less) of the Defiant and far less powerful than their larger counterparts and it was still destroyed.
Either way both ships go about combat in totally different ways, Voyager relies on its shield strength their adaptability during combat and its maneuverability to avoid hits where as the Galaxy class is just an all-around tank, it has great shields and can take the abuse even if it looses shields. Without shields Voyager can't take anywhere near the same punishment, but it's more advanced sensors and shields means Voyager could have found out a way to defend against the Jem"Hedar weapons.
As for your in-universe point I mostly agree, the Galaxy class was too big and valuable to leave out of a major fight if one broke out and nor make any sense to carry large portions of Civilian passengers into possible war zones after Wolf 359 which is why we stopped seeing Civilians populations on Starfleet ships. Voyager was about half that of a Galaxy class and would likely take far less time to build if they needed to crank them out in a hurry while filling the Niche of deep space science vessel. .
That said the Intrepid was never meant to be a direct replacement for the Galaxy class which functionally served as flag-ships and the pinnacle of Starfleet, that role correctly goes to the Sovereign class which incorporated nearly all the technology's of the Intrepid class while being far more capable in combat than either the Intrepid or Galaxy class.
janeway wasnt in charge lol
SO NEXT ROUND... DEFIANT VS VOYAGER?
Giving Voyager quantum torpedoes is a bit of a cheat if you don’t do the same for the Galaxy class.
But Voyager had that techology....Galaxy get it much later!
@@KallenSC So?
Wrong on the phasers being equal. Voyager has Type 8 phasers, the Galaxy has Type 10.
If 5 torpedoes knocked Voyager's forward shields down to 24%, another 5 would have knocked them out completely, then another 5 would have caused considerable damage, then another 5....
The AI is so frustrating. How do you not fire your most powerful weapon in battle? All the time in this simulator.
What game is that?
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