Your statement is wrong in the context of the Scriptures. Context includes verses, chapters, books, and the whole Scriptures. Context also includes the writers' culture and his subject. In context of the Scriptures do not truly indicate the Jesus was in Hell.
No, the Greek text DOES say he would be in paradise that day. What you're missing is that 1 Peter 4:6, and Ephesians 4:9, merely says that Christ went and preached the Gospel to those in the realm of the dead, it doesn't say it took three days to accomplish that task, likely took about 15 minutes, maybe a half hour if he wanted to give them a longer explanation. Jesus had plenty of time to greet that man in paradise before the resurrection. Perhaps he even went to paradise first, and then gave the damned the good news just prior to the resurrection.
Well that's kinda cool, I assumed he was going to point out that Christ is God, and not only can God be in two places at once he is in all places at once. While I still believe that to be true I now also think the comma is in the wrong spot. Nice one.
Brother Berean, so very interesting, camera girl and I have another Brain Teaser scheduled which bumps up next to your opinion; "coming soon to a youtube computer screen near you", stay tuned... 😊😎☕☕☕😏
Yes Sir...I knew the answer. Jesus is in all places at all times. He is God. Totally Human yet Totally God.before His incarnation He appeared to others such as Abraham before He destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. The Trinity. Father Son and Spirit Guide. Three persons One God each Totally God ...far beyond our human comprehension. Thank-you for the reminder. Jesus is with you right now where you are and with me where I am. But There is a place that the manifestation of His glory is right now in His resurrected body. And that place would be as mentioned in other videos. The Heaven Castle Ship ....That's going to be a beautiful day to behold Him in all His glory. Till then He's here but we live by faith not sight....Thank-you Mike
139:7Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence?139:8If I go up to the heavens, you are there; if I make my bed in the depths, you are there.139:9If I rise on the wings of the dawn, if I settle on the far side of the sea,139:10even there your hand will guide me, your right hand will hold me fast.139:11If I say, "Surely the darkness will hide me and the light become night around me,"139:12even the darkness will not be dark to you; the night will shine like the day, for darkness is as light to you.
What book is that? My thought. All points in space and time are connected. I'm bothered why the Gospel of Thomas isn't recognized more? It states If you think heaven is in the sky the birds will get there before you. If you think heaven is in the sea the fish will get there before you. Rather heaven is everywhere and all around. So with that said I think the common denominator is forgiveness. The theives were asking forgiveness. Jesus acknowledged and gave it. Did the theives unspoken in that moment forgive who may have done them wrong? We're all one right? Jesus doesn't consider his status greater than his love for us. The theives didn't have to. Nor did Jesus or us have to forgive. But everyone took on the hard task. I'm bothered how its sold that heaven is attainable but for now out of reach. All we have to do is breath the air be thankful for whats around us and forgive.
And the answer is: in the day when the keepers of the house tremble, and the strong men are bent, and the grinders cease because they are few, and those who look through the windows are dimmed, and the doors on the street are shut--when the sound of the grinding is low, and one rises up at the sound of a bird, and all the daughters of song are brought low-- they are afraid also of what is high, and terrors are in the way; the almond tree blossoms, the grasshopper drags itself along, and desire fails, because man is going to his eternal home, and the mourners go about the streets-- before the silver cord is snapped, or the golden bowl is broken, or the pitcher is shattered at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern, and the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it. (Ecclesiastes 12:3-7)
The "hell" he was talking about was Sheol/ Hades. The "death" all men died in Adam before the advent of Christ. Peter said he preached to the spirits in prison. When he returned in judgment death and hades (same thing) were cast into the lake of fire. All who believe now enter heaven at their physical death. Those who do not believe, enter the lake of fire. So far, that's what I got from the scriptures.
Religion has a way of making things rather complicated, I think Jesus is very fun to be around, he might even laugh at some of our jokes. (Or he might be laughing at some of these comments)
Adam died "in that day." Adam lived 930 ish years. God said "one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. Jesus said, "...today, you will be with me in paradise." Did that principle apply there as well. The second resurrection is AFTER Christ thousand year reign. But the thief's resurrection would take longer than the 1000 year rule. He died long before we ever showed up. Enjoy!
I think of the kindness of Jesus, that man (thief) needed some help right then, and Jesus, even hanging on that cross had compassion on him and delivered to him a magnificent hope.
The Seventh Day, God Rests Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Punctuation was not consistently used in 1st century Greek. The comma (missing in the original) is in the wrong place in most Bibles. It should read "Verily I say on to thee to day, shalt thou be with me in paradise."
I think this is bogus. Why would Jesus need to clarify that it is still today? Would the thief think he said it yesterday or in November 1493? This day you will be with me in Paradise means JUST THAT, & Paradise is where their souls went. It is a blessed region of comfort and hope in Hades, the abode of all the dead, rather poorly or confusedly (but not altogether inaccurately) translated "Hell."
@medicalmisinformation, Abraham's Bosom no longer exists, after Jesus was raised from the dead, in the midst of hell, he, Jesus, took all of those who were in that place of protection to his Father's house. At the time when the one thief was in the place of protection (Abraham's Bosom) he could look across the pit into hell and see Jesus there on the other side of the pit in hell. It does make a difference, Jesus paid the ultimate price to obtain our salvation, he took the punishment we deserved upon himself. Next, after 3 days and 3 nights, because he had never broken covenant with his Father, God was able to raise him from the dead, right in the midst of hell itself.
How could the thief be with Jesus in paradise that day? Because Jesus IS God. Just because Jesus was going to spend three days and three nights in the heart of the earth did NOT mean He GOD would not be where he always was. John 1:1-3, 14 KJV 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
The self-imposed requirements of "the Word was made flesh" are extensive. From that point forward Jesus self-identifying presence always included his "Heaven suit".
Matt.28 Verses 18 to 20 [18] And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. [19] Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: [20] Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Joh 16:4 But these things have I told you, that when the time shall come, ye may remember that I told you of them. And these things I said not unto you at the beginning, because I was with you. Joh 16:5 But now I go my way to him that sent me; and none of you asketh me, Whither goest thou? Joh 16:6 But because I have said these things unto you, sorrow hath filled your heart. Joh 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
@@Tenonizer I think that the confusion is coming in because we are not separating were Jesus is in His Glorified Body, But at the same time we must remember that He is Totally God Therefore in Spirit He is Everywhere....remember the verse that mentions If two or more are gathered together He is with us. I'm just trying to clarify the subject
He said, Verily I say to you today you shall be with me in paradise. He told him today. He wasn't in paradise today. He went to Sheol. The thief is still in sheol waiting judgement and the resurrection.
No, the thief who identified Jesus as Messiah was among those prophetically identified in Psalm 68:18 "Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the LORD God might dwell", those in Abraham's bosom (the place of protection) whom Jesus brought to his Father's house after he (Jesus) became the first begotten from the dead. Directly after Jesus became the first begotten from the dead, he took all of those in that place of protection (Abraham's bosom) to his Father's house, thief included.
O.k. I found the video on the wrath of God...I'll be checking that out....The reasons for my previous comments are from my understanding that in the psalm. It is stated that the psamist could not flee the presence of the Lord no matter where he made his bed wheather the depth of the sea or i believe it mentioned hell itself....i have to double check
Jesus would not contradict scripture concerning judgment. Did Jesus say "I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise! or did he say "I tell you today, you shall be with me in paradise!" For One interpretation Jesus would verify judgment which rests on scripture as found in Revelation 20:4-6 or Revelation 20:11-15 and as found in Hebrews 9:27 or Jesus would do something special for the other and the thief now converted would go that day. Jesus did not re-write scripture. Jesus promised the guy when Jesus entered paradise the man would be with him. When Jesus takes up his earthly throne it will not be paradise for he will rule with a rod of iron. The rod of iron is for administering judgment or correction which is not any kind of paradise we have learned of. Paradise is a place supposedly in complete harmony. So paradise will be in the Fathers kingdom where all judgment has been administered for all and in the final kingdom. In Christs reign the devil will finally be cast into the lake of fire never to emerge. At the end of Christs reign is the final judgment where even those whose names were in the book of life but were summarily blotted out will be cast into the lake of fire as well. Christ’s kingdom on earth is not paradise. During Jesus millennium reign people will be born and die and some will die as wicked people (Isaiah 65:17-20). That is not a full spectrum of what is called paradise. Christ gave his word that when he entered paradise the converted thief would be with him. The converted thief will remain in his grave just like all who have yet to be judged on the "last day" John 6:39-40 & 54, John 11:24 and John 12:48.
2Co 5:6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: 2Co 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:) 2Co 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
Jesus took a detour to stop by paradise to let the righteous dead know he had won the victory. He then crossed over the gulf and proceeded on to hell to be captive for 3 days. Then he spoiled principalities and powers and made a show of them openly. Taking back the keys of death and he'll from Satan. Then he left hell in triumphing over it and opened paradise to free the captives to go into the newly opened heaven. Some of them stopped by Jerusalem and were seen as recorded in Matt.27. But regarding your statement about 2 things not occupying the same space, that only applies in the physical realm. In the spirit realm there is no limit to the number of spirits that can overlay each other and occupy the same space. That is why a legion of demons could all be in the demonic at the same time.
He said, Verily I say to you today you shall be with me in paradise. Jesus told him "today", he wasn't in paradise "today". The soul of Jesus and the thief's soul went to Sheol. The soul of Jesus was raised on the third day by the Father. The soul of the thief is still in sheol waiting judgement at the resurrection.
I have one for you also if you would like to go deeper. Is Jesus on His Father's Throne right now and also in Hell? I believe He is in His resurrected body on The Father's Throne dispensing all His Love Kindness and Mercy...and many more Grace's to His children with Him ....and He is also in Hell but not in His glory suit but in Spirit dispensing Wrath and judgements to the children of the devil for all eternity. Those that rejected Him. They should not fear the devil in Hell but God. It will be a fearful thing to fall into the hands of Jesus in His anger.
David, Jesus is not in hell now, he was there for 3 days and 3 nights as was foretold in prophesy, he is the first begotten from the dead. Where is he now? Read Psalm 110 We might redo that last video, make it more compact and clearer, (what we posted was already my third try) ruclips.net/video/OvUuKiq_zsU/видео.html You might want to check out this video to better understand the "wrath" of God, it is the first of a three-part set.
@Tenonizer yes I understand that Jesus is the God man and in His resurrected body He is not in Hell but the word also says that He is omnipresent. And nothing would exist including Hell if He was not there in some way....let me think more about this and ask for help to understand
I think Jesus went to hell but not to suffer for us. After all, he already suffered and died and said it is finished. Hell, pre-Christ was far all and had a place for good and evil people. The good were waiting for the atonement of the Lord. Today, hell is only for the evil because now being justified, the believers can go to heaven. In Revelation believers are talking in heaven to God. So the modern interpretation of hell that it is a place of only torment is true now, but was it? Scriptures? Luke 16:22. Do a study on hell, the pit, and the grave some time. It’s mostly bad but there are some instances where good people are waiting there. When Saul called UP Samuel from the ground, where did he come from? There WAS a paradise in hell before Christ, now hell is only for the evil and are awaiting judgment. There is also a lowest hell for the worst. Ps 86:13
Hell and paradise are in the same area, with a chasm separating them. Jesus took captivity captive after taking the keys to hell death sin and the grave from the fallen angel, and made an open show of them before his legions. walked them in shame in their underwear before his soldiers.
Luk_11:2 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth. Overcoming the World 1Jn 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. 1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 1Jn 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. 1Jn 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? Testimony Concerning the Son of God 1Jn 5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. 1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 1Jn 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. 1Jn 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 1Jn 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 1Jn 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
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Paradise, Elysium (or Abraham's bosom) is a compartment of Hades or "Hell." It's the good place, as opposed to the place of torment.
Yes, Paradise, a good place, well done! 😊😎☕☕☕😎
Your statement is wrong in the context of the Scriptures. Context includes verses, chapters, books, and the whole Scriptures. Context also includes the writers' culture and his subject. In context of the Scriptures do not truly indicate the Jesus was in Hell.
Psalm 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
No, the Greek text DOES say he would be in paradise that day. What you're missing is that 1 Peter 4:6, and Ephesians 4:9, merely says that Christ went and preached the Gospel to those in the realm of the dead, it doesn't say it took three days to accomplish that task, likely took about 15 minutes, maybe a half hour if he wanted to give them a longer explanation. Jesus had plenty of time to greet that man in paradise before the resurrection. Perhaps he even went to paradise first, and then gave the damned the good news just prior to the resurrection.
Dear clueless.....
Well that's kinda cool, I assumed he was going to point out that Christ is God, and not only can God be in two places at once he is in all places at once. While I still believe that to be true I now also think the comma is in the wrong spot. Nice one.
Thank you for the kindness grim! 😊😎☕☕☕😉
The Thief's Spirits went to Heven to be with the Father! Father and Son are One!
Well done jeff! 😊😎☕☕☕😉
I believe hell and lake of fire are 2 different things brother.... Hell is death, and lake of fire is final destination where the wicked will perish
Brother Berean, so very interesting, camera girl and I have another Brain Teaser scheduled which bumps up next to your opinion; "coming soon to a youtube computer screen near you", stay tuned... 😊😎☕☕☕😏
Yes Sir...I knew the answer. Jesus is in all places at all times. He is God. Totally Human yet Totally God.before His incarnation He appeared to others such as Abraham before He destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. The Trinity. Father Son and Spirit Guide. Three persons One God each Totally God ...far beyond our human comprehension. Thank-you for the reminder. Jesus is with you right now where you are and with me where I am. But There is a place that the manifestation of His glory is right now in His resurrected body. And that place would be as mentioned in other videos. The Heaven Castle Ship ....That's going to be a beautiful day to behold Him in all His glory. Till then He's here but we live by faith not sight....Thank-you Mike
This is correct. You got it!
139:7Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence?139:8If I go up to the heavens, you are there; if I make my bed in the depths, you are there.139:9If I rise on the wings of the dawn, if I settle on the far side of the sea,139:10even there your hand will guide me, your right hand will hold me fast.139:11If I say, "Surely the darkness will hide me and the light become night around me,"139:12even the darkness will not be dark to you; the night will shine like the day, for darkness is as light to you.
What book is that? My thought. All points in space and time are connected. I'm bothered why the Gospel of Thomas isn't recognized more? It states If you think heaven is in the sky the birds will get there before you. If you think heaven is in the sea the fish will get there before you. Rather heaven is everywhere and all around.
So with that said I think the common denominator is forgiveness. The theives were asking forgiveness. Jesus acknowledged and gave it. Did the theives unspoken in that moment forgive who may have done them wrong? We're all one right?
Jesus doesn't consider his status greater than his love for us. The theives didn't have to. Nor did Jesus or us have to forgive. But everyone took on the hard task.
I'm bothered how its sold that heaven is attainable but for now out of reach. All we have to do is breath the air be thankful for whats around us and forgive.
He built me up from the dust, breathed the breath of life into my nostrils therefore making me a living soul.
. It's psalm..I have also wondered why other books are not included..ie Enoch
A comma after the word today makes all the difference. Now back to your explanation.
Very good sir, thank you!
And the answer is: in the day when the keepers of the house tremble, and the strong men are bent, and the grinders cease because they are few, and those who look through the windows are dimmed, and the doors on the street are shut--when the sound of the grinding is low, and one rises up at the sound of a bird, and all the daughters of song are brought low-- they are afraid also of what is high, and terrors are in the way; the almond tree blossoms, the grasshopper drags itself along, and desire fails,
because man is going to his eternal home, and the mourners go about the streets-- before the silver cord is snapped, or the golden bowl is broken, or the pitcher is shattered at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern, and the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.
(Ecclesiastes 12:3-7)
Abraham's bosom was the first stop over to proclaim the victory, hell was a chasm apart remember the rich man he could look at Lazareth in paradise.
Well said, I guess great minds think alike, ruclips.net/video/D0aB1a2eJ4s/видео.html 😉😎☕☕
Today could mean "as of today", the thief's destination was determined.
Yes, that would also work, mr tomato 🤨☕☕😉
The "hell" he was talking about was Sheol/ Hades. The "death" all men died in Adam before the advent of Christ.
Peter said he preached to the spirits in prison.
When he returned in judgment death and hades (same thing) were cast into the lake of fire.
All who believe now enter heaven at their physical death.
Those who do not believe, enter the lake of fire.
So far, that's what I got from the scriptures.
Religion has a way of making things rather complicated, I think Jesus is very fun to be around, he might even laugh at some of our jokes. (Or he might be laughing at some of these comments)
Adam died "in that day." Adam lived 930 ish years.
God said "one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Jesus said, "...today, you will be with me in paradise."
Did that principle apply there as well. The second resurrection is AFTER Christ thousand year reign.
But the thief's resurrection would take longer than the 1000 year rule. He died long before we ever showed up.
Enjoy!
I think of the kindness of Jesus, that man (thief) needed some help right then, and Jesus, even hanging on that cross had compassion on him and delivered to him a magnificent hope.
A different approach is this. Jesus is God. God created time ("In the beginning,...") and God is out side of time and not subject to time.
The Seventh Day, God Rests
Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Punctuation was not consistently used in 1st century Greek. The comma (missing in the original) is in the wrong place in most Bibles. It should read "Verily I say on to thee to day, shalt thou be with me in paradise."
Yes! So nice to encounter one who sees the truth!
I think this is bogus. Why would Jesus need to clarify that it is still today? Would the thief think he said it yesterday or in November 1493? This day you will be with me in Paradise means JUST THAT, & Paradise is where their souls went. It is a blessed region of comfort and hope in Hades, the abode of all the dead, rather poorly or confusedly (but not altogether inaccurately) translated "Hell."
@medicalmisinformation, Abraham's Bosom no longer exists, after Jesus was raised from the dead, in the midst of hell, he, Jesus, took all of those who were in that place of protection to his Father's house. At the time when the one thief was in the place of protection (Abraham's Bosom) he could look across the pit into hell and see Jesus there on the other side of the pit in hell. It does make a difference, Jesus paid the ultimate price to obtain our salvation, he took the punishment we deserved upon himself. Next, after 3 days and 3 nights, because he had never broken covenant with his Father, God was able to raise him from the dead, right in the midst of hell itself.
@@Tenonizer Jesus descended to Hell as-in Hades / Paradise, not a place of torment.
Oops. Lol I put my comment under your reply to our other brother....silly me. Computers..lol
How could the thief be with Jesus in paradise that day?
Because Jesus IS God.
Just because Jesus was going to spend three days and three nights in the heart of the earth did NOT mean He GOD would not be where he always was.
John 1:1-3, 14 KJV
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
The self-imposed requirements of "the Word was made flesh" are extensive. From that point forward Jesus self-identifying presence always included his "Heaven suit".
Matt.28 Verses 18 to 20
[18] And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
[19] Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
[20] Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
With respect the very last part suggests different
Joh 16:4 But these things have I told you, that when the time shall come, ye may remember that I told you of them. And these things I said not unto you at the beginning, because I was with you.
Joh 16:5 But now I go my way to him that sent me; and none of you asketh me, Whither goest thou?
Joh 16:6 But because I have said these things unto you, sorrow hath filled your heart.
Joh 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
@@Tenonizer I think that the confusion is coming in because we are not separating were Jesus is in His Glorified Body, But at the same time we must remember that He is Totally God Therefore in Spirit He is Everywhere....remember the verse that mentions If two or more are gathered together He is with us.
I'm just trying to clarify the subject
He said, Verily I say to you today you shall be with me in paradise.
He told him today. He wasn't in paradise today. He went to Sheol. The thief is still in sheol waiting judgement and the resurrection.
No, the thief who identified Jesus as Messiah was among those prophetically identified in Psalm 68:18 "Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the LORD God might dwell", those in Abraham's bosom (the place of protection) whom Jesus brought to his Father's house after he (Jesus) became the first begotten from the dead. Directly after Jesus became the first begotten from the dead, he took all of those in that place of protection (Abraham's bosom) to his Father's house, thief included.
@@Tenonizer That is clearly taking liberty.
No, only weighing the Word with the Word, this video may help ruclips.net/video/Vqxc_QCpKZU/видео.html but here I am taking liberty.
O.k. I found the video on the wrath of God...I'll be checking that out....The reasons for my previous comments are from my understanding that in the psalm. It is stated that the psamist could not flee the presence of the Lord no matter where he made his bed wheather the depth of the sea or i believe it mentioned hell itself....i have to double check
This is not a riddle. The story Jesus told of the rich man and Lazarus reveals that Paradise has two sides, Hades and Abraham's bosom.
Did you watch the entire video? What do you know about the second Lazarus?
@@Tenonizer I listened to the whole video. Lazarus was not an uncommon name. What are you on about?
The Lazarus who was 4 days dead, that Jesus raised from the dead, the heart of the riddle
@@Tenonizer I think that's a different video.
Angle, yes, you are absolutely correct, I responded to #7 when you presented your comment to #6, well done. 😊😎☕☕☕😉
Jesus would not contradict scripture concerning judgment. Did Jesus say "I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise! or did he say "I tell you today, you shall be with me in paradise!" For One interpretation Jesus would verify judgment which rests on scripture as found in Revelation 20:4-6 or Revelation 20:11-15 and as found in Hebrews 9:27 or Jesus would do something special for the other and the thief now converted would go that day. Jesus did not re-write scripture. Jesus promised the guy when Jesus entered paradise the man would be with him. When Jesus takes up his earthly throne it will not be paradise for he will rule with a rod of iron. The rod of iron is for administering judgment or correction which is not any kind of paradise we have learned of. Paradise is a place supposedly in complete harmony. So paradise will be in the Fathers kingdom where all judgment has been administered for all and in the final kingdom. In Christs reign the devil will finally be cast into the lake of fire never to emerge. At the end of Christs reign is the final judgment where even those whose names were in the book of life but were summarily blotted out will be cast into the lake of fire as well. Christ’s kingdom on earth is not paradise. During Jesus millennium reign people will be born and die and some will die as wicked people (Isaiah 65:17-20). That is not a full spectrum of what is called paradise. Christ gave his word that when he entered paradise the converted thief would be with him. The converted thief will remain in his grave just like all who have yet to be judged on the "last day" John 6:39-40 & 54, John 11:24 and John 12:48.
2Co 5:6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
2Co 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
2Co 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
Jesus took a detour to stop by paradise to let the righteous dead know he had won the victory. He then crossed over the gulf and proceeded on to hell to be captive for 3 days. Then he spoiled principalities and powers and made a show of them openly. Taking back the keys of death and he'll from Satan. Then he left hell in triumphing over it and opened paradise to free the captives to go into the newly opened heaven. Some of them stopped by Jerusalem and were seen as recorded in Matt.27. But regarding your statement about 2 things not occupying the same space, that only applies in the physical realm. In the spirit realm there is no limit to the number of spirits that can overlay each other and occupy the same space. That is why a legion of demons could all be in the demonic at the same time.
He said, Verily I say to you today you shall be with me in paradise.
Jesus told him "today", he wasn't in paradise "today". The soul of Jesus and the thief's soul went to Sheol. The soul of Jesus was raised on the third day by the Father. The soul of the thief is still in sheol waiting judgement at the resurrection.
I have one for you also if you would like to go deeper.
Is Jesus on His Father's Throne right now and also in Hell? I believe He is in His resurrected body on The Father's Throne dispensing all His Love Kindness and Mercy...and many more Grace's to His children with Him ....and He is also in Hell but not in His glory suit but in Spirit dispensing Wrath and judgements to the children of the devil for all eternity. Those that rejected Him. They should not fear the devil in Hell but God. It will be a fearful thing to fall into the hands of Jesus in His anger.
David, Jesus is not in hell now, he was there for 3 days and 3 nights as was foretold in prophesy, he is the first begotten from the dead. Where is he now? Read Psalm 110
We might redo that last video, make it more compact and clearer, (what we posted was already my third try)
ruclips.net/video/OvUuKiq_zsU/видео.html You might want to check out this video to better understand the "wrath" of God, it is the first of a three-part set.
@Tenonizer yes I understand that Jesus is the God man and in His resurrected body He is not in Hell but the word also says that He is omnipresent. And nothing would exist including Hell if He was not there in some way....let me think more about this and ask for help to understand
I think Jesus went to hell but not to suffer for us. After all, he already suffered and died and said it is finished.
Hell, pre-Christ was far all and had a place for good and evil people. The good were waiting for the atonement of the Lord. Today, hell is only for the evil because now being justified, the believers can go to heaven. In Revelation believers are talking in heaven to God.
So the modern interpretation of hell that it is a place of only torment is true now, but was it? Scriptures?
Luke 16:22. Do a study on hell, the pit, and the grave some time. It’s mostly bad but there are some instances where good people are waiting there. When Saul called UP Samuel from the ground, where did he come from? There WAS a paradise in hell before Christ, now hell is only for the evil and are awaiting judgment. There is also a lowest hell for the worst. Ps 86:13
Have done extensive study, ruclips.net/video/D0aB1a2eJ4s/видео.html this might help
Hell and paradise are in the same area, with a chasm separating them. Jesus took captivity captive after taking the keys to hell death sin and the grave from the fallen angel, and made an open show of them before his legions. walked them in shame in their underwear before his soldiers.
Yes! Thank you Jesus!!!
Jesus is God.
Luk_11:2 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.
Overcoming the World
1Jn 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
1Jn 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
1Jn 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
Testimony Concerning the Son of God
1Jn 5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
1Jn 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
1Jn 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
1Jn 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
1Jn 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
Move the comma and you get the truth
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