I think one of the best things about this video, apart from the instruction of course, is the fact that he has one of the most iconic time machines in the history of cinema right next to him
5 so cool minutes..I feel lucky with the fact that we can watch and learn from Benny's advices..I really like the way he explain things such as subdivision and I wish I could take lessons from him one day !
I am so glad you brought this up I have been trying to explain this to my bass player my current bass player with much frustration. I'm trying to explain to him how I'm playing just behind the beat like a back beat and he just is not understanding it he's been taking bass lessons since time and Memorial so it's hard for him to play with feel not just his heart I'm going to show this to him and maybe we can make some progress thank you very much Benny
This is useful for bass as much as drums or any instrument I suppose. I play bass and this is helping my timing alot. Very cool. I love Benny Greb, he's one of the greatest drummers I've ever seen. I don't even understand how u can get that good at drums
Awesome video as always Benny! I was fortunate enough to see Frank Itt perform years ago with a funk covers band in a little club after a Messe Show in Frankfurt. He's such a monster groover! Glad you are working together! 👍🏻
Benny , Congratulation on your DVD . I just found This ,You realize that you could potentially Be the Peacemaker between Drummers and the rest of the Rhythmsection :-) ......IF, there Willing ......;-)......sounds like world politics needs a real Peacemaker. Anyways , I really enjoy your Playing since i became aware of you just a year ago or so. Thanks for your wisdom Benny , Groove on
I am my own band, and like that I just can't record live and I've been having this problem with the feel of a song I'm recording. Everything is dragging and it confuses me when I'm about to track the drums because everything is behind the click but when I take the click off the song just sounds great! So I don't know how much of that "drag" is due to me not being able to follow the click "right" or that I'm just a very unexperiencied drummer, I've been playing drums for a year and a half and just took it on again now that I'm recording, against the 10 years I have of guitar playing, 4 as a bass player, 15 as a singer and 8 as a "producer"/audio engineer. The song feels glued together right and all the bands that I enjoy and admire don't really play to the click so maybe I'm just figuring out my style and this video really helped get this in my head, thank you.
Damn, Frank Itt! I remember him from when he was in the same band as Terence Trent D'Arby! Had this doubleneck headless Washburn bass that sounded like thunder.
Even felt like the combination where the bass was early and the drums were laid back, worked. I think it was the open hi-hat that gave this perception. Bassist is a BAMF.
Check out their differences in head-movement-direction between "Right On," "In Front," and "Laid Back." The movements of the bass player's head are more obviously consistent and literal to the interpretation than Benny's head movements / body language. They're both right on the money, but as far as a clear talking-point about "The Body," notice which way the bass player's head pops between these interpretations. "Right On" slightly pops back to his right. "In Front" pops slightly forward to his left, and "Laid Back" his head pops _way_ back to his right. =^.^=
I just bought the grebfruit play along pack on your website, but when I tried to open the zip file it said downloaded file not available. I really need this track for my berklee scholarship audition so I hope you see this soon!
I am a musician. I haven't heard any difference in the first place. Of cause I got your point while listening to the second part. Let's call it pulse. If a band, explicitly a rhythm section does not pulse, you'll hear that immediately.
Could we quantify how late or early you were, and how much lateness/earlyness sounds good? Could it be related to a sixtuplet subdivision of the pulse (quarter note)? Considering the ''right on'' one is right on the middle of that last 8th note (3.75 / 4 of the measure) we can also say it is right in between of the fifth sixtuplet (3.667 / 4) and the sixth and final one (3.833 / 4) of that last quarter note. Could we then say that the ''In Front'' or ''early'' one was on the fifth quarter note sixtuplet (3.667 / 4), and that the ''Laid Back'' or ''late'' one was on the sixth quarter note sixtuplet (3.833 / 4)? Alright, I just did this on Guitar Pro, and those quarter note sixtuplet hits felt too early/ too late to me. The 5th sextuplet one (Early) felt outright bad and the 6th one (Laid Back) felt totally like a last sixtuplet hit, too late to still sound like the ''a'' of 4. If somebody has an answer to this, I'm interested!
Damn though, doing some quarter note sixtuplet along to the video made me rethink. My theory makes some sense, as the ''Early'' ones were dab-smack right on the 5th sixtuplet.
Hello! You could probably quantify it, but I wouldn't and I think Benny would agree. There are a few common examples of music that is played rhythmically different than the notation would suggest due to the style of the tune. American swing is probably the most familiar example people in the states, but many samba sub-genres have wildly different swing feel. What's really important is that, as Benny said, the group is swinging together. There are no hard and fast subdivisions that swing players follow when performing, it is dependent on the tempo and even more importantly, the combined swing of the ensemble as a whole. This concept applies to behind the beat and on top of the beat playing as well. All that being said, people develope their swing and beat feels by listening to others play. Over time, an expectation of what a certain, "feel" plays like will develop and a consensus groove will often prevail. So if you want to play like this, listen to a lot of stuff with beat-play in it. Check out "trilogy," by lettuce and there are plenty of lo-fi hip hop jams that use this beat play concept (famously Dilla). Another caveat: experienced musicians will often take these consensus feels, or expectations and play with them (thanks Mozart). Lemme know if anything I said is unclear!
@@alexstewart966 Glad someone saw my comment and answered! I love lettuce, and the roots! All is clear, I am quite interested in all those ''playing around with the feel'' and delaying and tuplets and all, so I'm aware of the ''felt'' more than ''quantified'' way of doing it. But it's still quite interesting to attempt to quantify it or at least talk about it's quality: say, closer to triplet feel, or closer to sixteenth note, or closer to quintuplet and so on. It was still interesting to see that their ''before the beat'' locked very precisely with the fifht sixtuplet of the beat! Did you see the new foundry reserve Meinl line video? Greb plays some nasty trick in it.
We can also extrapolate something from what I found, that I didn't in my original comment: The ''before the beat'' was further from the ''true'' beat than the ''after the beat'' one.
I can hear it, and this is how I visualise it: So benny is playing mainly quarter notes on hi-hat. But you need to imagine hearing where the eighth notes are in your mind. The key is focusing on the last eight note, and subdividing that one into a triplet: 4 e + trip let 1 When they rush, they are both playing the "trip" note, and when they drag, they are both playing the "let" note. Hope this helps!
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"What sounds right and what doesn't is often a matter of democracy" - Damn.
frank's bass face is best bass face
I think one of the best things about this video, apart from the instruction of course, is the fact that he has one of the most iconic time machines in the history of cinema right next to him
Who?
@@ddev96 if you pay attention when he provides the commentary while sitting on the couch you will find your answer
ze ferrarii !
omg there's nothing more exciting than a new Benny Greb video in your sub feed! instant click.
cheers from Austria!
Lukas T Ditto!!
Visualizing the accents with text animation is so cool.
Benny is a genius teacher. He makes the simplest explanation to things that can take at least 10 years to learn properly.
Both in front were nice, both in different places was fantastic.
5 so cool minutes..I feel lucky with the fact that we can watch and learn from Benny's advices..I really like the way he explain things such as subdivision and I wish I could take lessons from him one day !
Finally I understand this concept after 15 years of drumming .. it’s all about how you feel inside lol 😂
I love it. Made me giggle.
I am so glad you brought this up I have been trying to explain this to my bass player my current bass player with much frustration. I'm trying to explain to him how I'm playing just behind the beat like a back beat and he just is not understanding it he's been taking bass lessons since time and Memorial so it's hard for him to play with feel not just his heart I'm going to show this to him and maybe we can make some progress thank you very much Benny
This is useful for bass as much as drums or any instrument I suppose. I play bass and this is helping my timing alot. Very cool. I love Benny Greb, he's one of the greatest drummers I've ever seen. I don't even understand how u can get that good at drums
Imagine how good he'll be in 2073 ; )
Hey Benny. Can't wait to hear what your digestions will be in 2073 ; )
Benny Greb, Cory Henry, Victor Wooten, and Jeff Coffin should do a shindig
Very useful to watch this at half speed. Excellent vid!
Lovely as always, thanks for sharing your wisdoms to us !!! Much love from Argentina
what a great DVD! thank you,sir! love A&S of Groove very much!
Benny always has the best quality dvd crisp quality👌
I wish I could take lessons with Benny... lol
you can :-) looking forward to meet you www.bennygreb.de/mastersession/
Benny Greb Thanks!! 😈
Benny Greb Haaa, that's so awesome!
I may jump on that too
God that kit sounds so good.
Excellente demonstration !
Awesome video as always Benny! I was fortunate enough to see Frank Itt perform years ago with a funk covers band in a little club after a Messe Show in Frankfurt. He's such a monster groover! Glad you are working together! 👍🏻
Benny , Congratulation on your DVD . I just found This ,You realize that you could potentially Be the Peacemaker between Drummers and the rest of the Rhythmsection :-)
......IF, there Willing ......;-)......sounds like world politics needs a real Peacemaker.
Anyways , I really enjoy your Playing since i became aware of you just a year ago or so.
Thanks for your wisdom Benny , Groove on
I bought it a few days ago, it's amazing! ✌🏽️✌🏽️
Great video!!! 🔝🔝🔝
Love the delorion
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great vid! Sheds light on soooo much. Thank you!!!
Muy bueno Benny, un baterista increible, saludos
I like that there's a Delorean time machine. nice touch. :D
Time Machine...Benny Greb...hmm 👍🏼
Thank you
Fantastic examples, Frank is a badass player as well
you are amazing
Brilliant!
I am my own band, and like that I just can't record live and I've been having this problem with the feel of a song I'm recording. Everything is dragging and it confuses me when I'm about to track the drums because everything is behind the click but when I take the click off the song just sounds great! So I don't know how much of that "drag" is due to me not being able to follow the click "right" or that I'm just a very unexperiencied drummer, I've been playing drums for a year and a half and just took it on again now that I'm recording, against the 10 years I have of guitar playing, 4 as a bass player, 15 as a singer and 8 as a "producer"/audio engineer.
The song feels glued together right and all the bands that I enjoy and admire don't really play to the click so maybe I'm just figuring out my style and this video really helped get this in my head, thank you.
He is a god, simple as that !!!
Damn, Frank Itt! I remember him from when he was in the same band as Terence Trent D'Arby! Had this doubleneck headless Washburn bass that sounded like thunder.
Frank Itt has awesome playing on Two Day Trio. I would love to hear more Frank Itt somewhere.
Even the off sync ones can serve a purpose...but yeah you gotta know the rule to break it.
great and iconic time machine next to a DeLorean
Epic!!
drums sound great
Grüßgott Herr Greb
Can you imagine speaking a foreign language as fluently as Benny or Jojo? Very impressive.
I would love to see Benny and Scott Devine (bass) get together, that would would have some swag for sure;)
so much groove packed in so few notes...
Even felt like the combination where the bass was early and the drums were laid back, worked. I think it was the open hi-hat that gave this perception.
Bassist is a BAMF.
Check out their differences in head-movement-direction between "Right On," "In Front," and "Laid Back." The movements of the bass player's head are more obviously consistent and literal to the interpretation than Benny's head movements / body language. They're both right on the money, but as far as a clear talking-point about "The Body," notice which way the bass player's head pops between these interpretations. "Right On" slightly pops back to his right. "In Front" pops slightly forward to his left, and "Laid Back" his head pops _way_ back to his right. =^.^=
Bass face for dayyyzzz
Tooop lembra-se bateras unidos jamais será vencido ☕
Lo amo
Frank is one cool dude.
Very nice explanation. All the more reason to play by yourself LOL
Holy shit!
Very Good Drummer
Frank Itt ist so ein Timing King.
What brand are those drum cases and cymbal stand? Looks great!!!
Cymbal stands are Sonor 600 series. Drum cases are Hardcase, I think.
close your eyes and you will hear *Arnold Schwarzenegger* giving you drum advices
tf?! no you don't.
HA HA HA GREAT COMMENT !!
haha
really childish as shit, man... grow up and GET IN THE CHOPPAA! NOWWW!
Hey benny, do you plan on having a drum camp in Brazil ?
I really, really want to be a part of one T.T
Is there anyway to buy sheet music for his albums? I wanted to start learning Next Question from his Brass Band album.
I just bought the grebfruit play along pack on your website, but when I tried to open the zip file it said downloaded file not available. I really need this track for my berklee scholarship audition so I hope you see this soon!
Awww....I want a DeLorean model too.... :(
I am a musician. I haven't heard any difference in the first place. Of cause I got your point while listening to the second part. Let's call it pulse. If a band, explicitly a rhythm section does not pulse, you'll hear that immediately.
Could we quantify how late or early you were, and how much lateness/earlyness sounds good?
Could it be related to a sixtuplet subdivision of the pulse (quarter note)? Considering the ''right on'' one is right on the middle of that last 8th note (3.75 / 4 of the measure) we can also say it is right in between of the fifth sixtuplet (3.667 / 4) and the sixth and final one (3.833 / 4) of that last quarter note.
Could we then say that the ''In Front'' or ''early'' one was on the fifth quarter note sixtuplet (3.667 / 4),
and that the ''Laid Back'' or ''late'' one was on the sixth quarter note sixtuplet (3.833 / 4)?
Alright, I just did this on Guitar Pro, and those quarter note sixtuplet hits felt too early/ too late to me. The 5th sextuplet one (Early) felt outright bad and the 6th one (Laid Back) felt totally like a last sixtuplet hit, too late to still sound like the ''a'' of 4.
If somebody has an answer to this, I'm interested!
Damn though, doing some quarter note sixtuplet along to the video made me rethink. My theory makes some sense, as the ''Early'' ones were dab-smack right on the 5th sixtuplet.
Hello!
You could probably quantify it, but I wouldn't and I think Benny would agree. There are a few common examples of music that is played rhythmically different than the notation would suggest due to the style of the tune. American swing is probably the most familiar example people in the states, but many samba sub-genres have wildly different swing feel. What's really important is that, as Benny said, the group is swinging together. There are no hard and fast subdivisions that swing players follow when performing, it is dependent on the tempo and even more importantly, the combined swing of the ensemble as a whole. This concept applies to behind the beat and on top of the beat playing as well. All that being said, people develope their swing and beat feels by listening to others play. Over time, an expectation of what a certain, "feel" plays like will develop and a consensus groove will often prevail. So if you want to play like this, listen to a lot of stuff with beat-play in it. Check out "trilogy," by lettuce and there are plenty of lo-fi hip hop jams that use this beat play concept (famously Dilla). Another caveat: experienced musicians will often take these consensus feels, or expectations and play with them (thanks Mozart). Lemme know if anything I said is unclear!
@@alexstewart966 Glad someone saw my comment and answered! I love lettuce, and the roots!
All is clear, I am quite interested in all those ''playing around with the feel'' and delaying and tuplets and all, so I'm aware of the ''felt'' more than ''quantified'' way of doing it.
But it's still quite interesting to attempt to quantify it or at least talk about it's quality: say, closer to triplet feel, or closer to sixteenth note, or closer to quintuplet and so on.
It was still interesting to see that their ''before the beat'' locked very precisely with the fifht sixtuplet of the beat!
Did you see the new foundry reserve Meinl line video? Greb plays some nasty trick in it.
We can also extrapolate something from what I found, that I didn't in my original comment: The ''before the beat'' was further from the ''true'' beat than the ''after the beat'' one.
@@rumblepac6823 that is interesting. I would have though behind the beat was further
实属罕见的鼓手啊
I have big difficulty to notice the difference :S How can I train my ear or how can I listen the difference ?
Its evident when they play different versions, but not when they play the same
I can hear it, and this is how I visualise it:
So benny is playing mainly quarter notes on hi-hat. But you need to imagine hearing where the eighth notes are in your mind. The key is focusing on the last eight note, and subdividing that one into a triplet: 4 e + trip let 1
When they rush, they are both playing the "trip" note, and when they drag, they are both playing the "let" note.
Hope this helps!
What Hi-hats are you using? They sound great!
Great. But instead of the hi-hat, side-stick or a cymbal bell might be more clear.
I guess Benny is sad that no one is talking about that DeLorean.
ich find dass die letzte version die beste ist!! halt anders!! #whatisperfection ;)
I want a "Frank"
It really helps students when teaching this kind of displacement if you run against a click track!
I expected to see a Rush inspired tune.
Benny Greb Speaks English in the germany
Can't tell the diffrence
I didn’t notice anything...🤔
What?
dang... all this is just one take