I think between the Takeshita excursion to wrestle dynasty he was never given boundaries. Seems like he was set up to fall. I think the Gabe vs Omega stuff commentary was ok but beyond that ? NJPW seems to have set him up here.
If we’re all guessing what he said that was wrong, it could have been the mere mention of Okada. There was a time that Omega was not to be mentioned, currently Kota is not to be mentioned. I imagine Okada is in this category now. Perhaps it had nothing to do with TK.
I kinda feel the Charlton commentary gets misrepresented here. You guys make it sound like all his AEW bashing was in service to the Gabe Kidd storyline, which I don’t see. Charlton was taking AEW and TK to task in most of the matches with AEW guy in there. It felt like this was more Charlton with the ax to grind, not just reporting on what Gabe said. Also is there a good chance Charlton wasn’t told to not rip apart AEW and TK? Maybe… but I also feel it’s also kinda obvious to not do that lol Does a NJPW rep really need to go out there and tell him “Also, don’t relentlessly rip apart the guy and company we do business with on a regular basis in America”? Personally I feel this is all part of an angle. I feel they turning this AEW vs NJPW rivalry into an angle. And to sell this, ya need the commentary teams for this as they are the voices for the company. I didn’t have an issue at all with Schiavone’s reaction as it makes perfect sense in context to the story. I even liked Charlton’s attacks on AEW as it showed his pride as a NJPW guy. He’ll be back in 2 months, hinting this was done by AEW and it’ll continue to build up towards Forbidden Door. He was ripping them apart the whole show, I think they would have called him off commentary if they thought it was that bad. That being said, if this isn’t an angle, and it’s just Charlton decided that on the first joint show with AEW in Japan that it was a great idea to rip into AEW and Tony Khan for the whole show; I think a 2 month suspension from commentary is pretty fair.
I'm much more interested if Chris Charlton actually stinks or not. He doesn't seem like someone who doesn't regularly showers so I wonder what Schiavone was referring to.
Well said John. I dont think they've got any shows that require english commentary till March, don't quote me on that though, so hopefully by that time it'll all have blown over.
I 110% bet NJPW gave Chris ZERO guidelines and rules on what he can or can't say, so he's basically getting punished trying to do their job for them, pushing the story Gabe Kidd started. I do agree with John. It felt a bit off, and unlike him, it took away from the match slightly, but it was nothing punishable. The only reason this would be a fair punishment is if Tony Khan got sensitive again and told NJPW to do something about it, but if the reports are true, then that's not the case. NJPW is probably in such a craphole as a business they felt this action would help appease Tony so he could still help them out, still jumping to this action before any consequences happened from AEWs side.
Who needs direction ? We just need to do moves for the sickos. We need more forearm spots. We need more dives; we don’t need storylines or compelling commentary, just put a nerd in a mask out there to point out the differences between body slams and modified tiger drivers, get rid of this guy and replace him with Tazz. What is this, WWE?
Yes! He's playing off of the Gabe Kidd angle 100% and getting shit because he didn't clear it with management (which indirectly includes Tiny Con) first.
New Japan co-promote events with AEW, and borrows AEW-signed talent. Burying AEW in the manner he did lowers the value of those co-promoted events and talent appearances. It's bad for business. It's especially bad given New Japan not only put over multiple AEW talent on that show, but just put two of their titles on them. Charlton probably shouldn't be calling others any sort of "mark" if he couldn't figure that much out. I also suspect there is another aggravating factor in that they tried to calm the guy down on commentary via Rocky Romero, and he still wouldn't pull his head in.
I always find Wei is always very willing to give the benefit of the doubt when AEW or someone AEW adjacent does something really shitty or dumb or unbelievable tone deaf etc. He is always willing to believe it’s an angle. Which is cool, it’s the way he sees it, no criticism of Wei, that’s his nature . He’s very forgiving which is really cool. I on the other hand , knowing what I know about Schiavone historically, I’m more than willing to believe he did that tweet cause he saw it as his opportunity to d ride TK and gain brownie points by attacking Charlton. He’s the one that should prolly be suspended
Yeah he should’ve just called the moves , we don’t watch Japan for storylines, we just want strong style injected right into our veins. Gabe Kidd is absolutely the talk of the town after that huge breakout moment, everyone is talking about it. It’s a crying shame that the commentator tried to magnify what Kidd has been talking about for weeks in a promotion vs promotion match, I sat up till 4 AM to just see the puroesu art
Tony 🤡 got his feelings hurt so bad by Effy from what he said on his own podcast that he pulled Ricky Starks (a guy he hasn’t used in like 10 months) off an upcoming show. How can you both think that he had nothing to do with this? That’s f’n laughable
The comments about what have the former njpw stars done in aew was way too far. They've all won a titles, been booked super strong and seem to be extremely happy?. It made no sense at all and just felt over the top especially when he started like scream/shouting
This is very reminiscent of the Effy / GCW fallout where there are certain things that will trigger TK. I'm not surprised John said it was the "money mark" line.
thats so lame lol it was just heel commentary. which made it enjoyable and helped with alot of those matches. AEW can reference WWE every 8 business days but this is an issue ? please lol
No he shouldn’t have been suspended. I’m sorry but he said nothing wrong. Tony is more interested in signing people and throwing money around like Sasha and yes, that’s what I will call her because that’s how I know her. He lets Moxley have creative control and takes peoples title shots away to give them to Mox for a worthless storyline and to hide their world title in a bag or case. Yet, someone calls him on his bs and that announcer who does it gets suspended. So no, he should not have been suspended. To paraphrase CM Punk, tell him when he’s telling lies because he’s not.
Thats false punk confronted hangman about the comments and page confirmed he did go business for himself not the same situation also Tony schivone ain't doing an angle he's really a fragile egomaniac wish Bobby hennan was here to confirm this
Just have him apologize and settle it like adults. I swear if this is Tony being b-hurt about a color commentator on a match in which the NJPW representative was saying "AEW pussies" in every promo imaginable, this is honestly silly.
Hangman and Punk is horrible comparison for this issue..The Workers right line as punk said was never cleared with him, and was caught off guard when Hangman brought it up .While Chris was adding to story that Gabe Kid was already telling
The basis of Page's promo was that Punk's public persona did not comport with his actions and that he was a hypocrite - he used a line to create tension to build for a match, just like Rollins did last week with the same objective. Obviously, Chris did not have the same clearances you are admonishing Page for lacking, and in both instances, there were repercussions.
The Hangman promo is only bad if you remove all memory of the Punk feud with Eddie Kingston happening previously, where he said similar things and took it considerably further.
Criticising the folk you work with is a big no no over there, he was slagging of AEW, someone took the huff and demanded he was removed from commentary, i do agree the suspension is a tad ott.
I imagine NJPW doesn't care but Tony Khan cried, whined, and spazzed to Tanahashi & Co to the point where they felt like they had to placate the man-child. Charleton Heston will be back on commentary in no time and nothing will come of this. Tony Schiavo has the worst look of everybody involved in this situation. He also makes a terrible cup of coffee.
He should've been fired for going into business for himself and trying to overshadow a match that didn't need it. You never bury your businesses partner, you guys defending this nonsense is weak as hell.
I think you’re mixing up wrestling companies. Tony Khan owns All Elite Wrestling which is a company in America, and Hiroshi Tanahashi owns New Japan Pro Wrestling which is (obviously) a company in Japan. This happened at a New Japan show and the guy was punished by New Japan. Still think it’s dumb because it seemed like it was just part of the story (might be a work) but it doesn’t have anything to do with Tony he runs the American company
I feel like every time AEW gets their legs under them some BS like this happens. It's frustrating, especially since most wrestling fans do want alternatives/competition to WWE. SIGH.
@@empower5228 Dude, WWE diehards won't admit this. But that Netflix debut shows how lackluster and bland things can get when you got ONE company. No matter how much star power they have. We all need AEW , GCW, TNA, etc.
@bigjs8821 agreed 👍 and crossovers, despite this recent incident in NJPW, should be encouraged. Can you imagine how much fan service could be had if only WWE would stop acting like they're the only damn people in the world when it comes to the pro wrestling business?? Sports-entertainment might be the name of the game for them, but it's foolishness for people to think that that's the ONLY thing that should exist rather than alternatives and other promotions doing their own thing smh
We cover what’s being talked about. A bit of a “chicken/egg” situation, I’m aware, but this was a major topic of conversation after WD and only increased after his disappearance on Dash. -W
Remember that during the AEW/Impact stuff Tony S would regularly crap on IMPACT. He said you were stupid if you ordered Hard To Kill. The hypocrisy is unreal.
If you can't see the difference between a company taking a partner's pre-taped promo against their product and willfully airing it on their airwaves, and Chris Charlton being a complete homer while a key liaison for the event was sitting next to him on commentary asked him at least twice to reel in the tribalism, then I don't know what to tell you. I don't think Chris should be punished harshly for what he did, because at the end of the day it all boils down to him trying to make the show interesting and NJPW really neglecting English commentary until feathers are ruffled and they're forced to do something. Quality control and a lack of production notes is not a new phenomenon for that table. This is the same company that put JR and Barnett in a recording booth and made them record commentary for weeks of NJPW on AXS until they absolutely quit caring, allowed Charlton and Kelly on past partnered events talk crap about other company's talents and booking, and then let Kevin Kelly do play-by-play with a vegetable at one point during his last tour. There is a severe lack of communication between the English commentary table and New Japan.
@@scottwhitt9379 Oh, Schaivone. I thought you meant Khan. Didn't see the S. I have no idea if TNA had issues with that or not, but I'm sure they didn't mind their upcoming PPV being mentioned on national television via thinly veiled barbs. On a similar note, Schaivone's tweet to Chris was out of line, but Tony's always been a boot licker no matter what the company, even when it's not asked of him.
Justice for Chris! He didn't say anything wrong. Tiny is a money mark and they haven't done anything with Ospreay and Okada and Switchblade. The C2 is just a ripoff of the G1 and Cocaine Tony hasn't had an original idea in his life. WWE would have treated NJPW alot better and maybe they would have even sent Freakin' to one of their shows to draw the biggest house in Nooj history!!!!!!1!
I think between the Takeshita excursion to wrestle dynasty he was never given boundaries. Seems like he was set up to fall. I think the Gabe vs Omega stuff commentary was ok but beyond that ? NJPW seems to have set him up here.
If we’re all guessing what he said that was wrong, it could have been the mere mention of Okada. There was a time that Omega was not to be mentioned, currently Kota is not to be mentioned. I imagine Okada is in this category now. Perhaps it had nothing to do with TK.
Chris Charlton defending NJPW against the invading AEW Heels was the best part of the show.
I am tired of John moxley but tony gave them the ok to do what they have been doing
People dont really understand the respect of the Japanese culture do they ?
If your suspending anyone it should be Schiavone for that post alone.
Also for Schiavo's body of work over the last five years. He stinks!
@@Mister_Phafanapolis "WHAT A GREAT MATCH WE HAVE GUYS" "THIS IS WHAT AEW IS ALL ABOUT" "IM HAVING A GREAT TIME"
I kinda feel the Charlton commentary gets misrepresented here. You guys make it sound like all his AEW bashing was in service to the Gabe Kidd storyline, which I don’t see. Charlton was taking AEW and TK to task in most of the matches with AEW guy in there. It felt like this was more Charlton with the ax to grind, not just reporting on what Gabe said.
Also is there a good chance Charlton wasn’t told to not rip apart AEW and TK? Maybe… but I also feel it’s also kinda obvious to not do that lol Does a NJPW rep really need to go out there and tell him “Also, don’t relentlessly rip apart the guy and company we do business with on a regular basis in America”?
Personally I feel this is all part of an angle. I feel they turning this AEW vs NJPW rivalry into an angle. And to sell this, ya need the commentary teams for this as they are the voices for the company. I didn’t have an issue at all with Schiavone’s reaction as it makes perfect sense in context to the story. I even liked Charlton’s attacks on AEW as it showed his pride as a NJPW guy. He’ll be back in 2 months, hinting this was done by AEW and it’ll continue to build up towards Forbidden Door. He was ripping them apart the whole show, I think they would have called him off commentary if they thought it was that bad.
That being said, if this isn’t an angle, and it’s just Charlton decided that on the first joint show with AEW in Japan that it was a great idea to rip into AEW and Tony Khan for the whole show; I think a 2 month suspension from commentary is pretty fair.
FUCKIN YES 👏 👏 👏 the first sane and reasonable comment on this shit that I've read so far wow! 💯💯💯
I'm much more interested if Chris Charlton actually stinks or not. He doesn't seem like someone who doesn't regularly showers so I wonder what Schiavone was referring to.
Well said John. I dont think they've got any shows that require english commentary till March, don't quote me on that though, so hopefully by that time it'll all have blown over.
I 110% bet NJPW gave Chris ZERO guidelines and rules on what he can or can't say, so he's basically getting punished trying to do their job for them, pushing the story Gabe Kidd started. I do agree with John. It felt a bit off, and unlike him, it took away from the match slightly, but it was nothing punishable. The only reason this would be a fair punishment is if Tony Khan got sensitive again and told NJPW to do something about it, but if the reports are true, then that's not the case. NJPW is probably in such a craphole as a business they felt this action would help appease Tony so he could still help them out, still jumping to this action before any consequences happened from AEWs side.
NJPW doesn't even tell them when they go live on air, they literally judge by looking at the Japanese commentary team lol
Who needs direction ? We just need to do moves for the sickos. We need more forearm spots. We need more dives; we don’t need storylines or compelling commentary, just put a nerd in a mask out there to point out the differences between body slams and modified tiger drivers, get rid of this guy and replace him with Tazz. What is this, WWE?
Yes! He's playing off of the Gabe Kidd angle 100% and getting shit because he didn't clear it with management (which indirectly includes Tiny Con) first.
New Japan co-promote events with AEW, and borrows AEW-signed talent. Burying AEW in the manner he did lowers the value of those co-promoted events and talent appearances. It's bad for business. It's especially bad given New Japan not only put over multiple AEW talent on that show, but just put two of their titles on them. Charlton probably shouldn't be calling others any sort of "mark" if he couldn't figure that much out.
I also suspect there is another aggravating factor in that they tried to calm the guy down on commentary via Rocky Romero, and he still wouldn't pull his head in.
@@rickdangerous1956 this 💯💯💯
No way at all did Tony Khan had any say in any of this considering his history with employees
I always find Wei is always very willing to give the benefit of the doubt when AEW or someone AEW adjacent does something really shitty or dumb or unbelievable tone deaf etc. He is always willing to believe it’s an angle. Which is cool, it’s the way he sees it, no criticism of Wei, that’s his nature . He’s very forgiving which is really cool. I on the other hand , knowing what I know about Schiavone historically, I’m more than willing to believe he did that tweet cause he saw it as his opportunity to d ride TK and gain brownie points by attacking Charlton. He’s the one that should prolly be suspended
Never Forget: Cody leaving AEW was a work! Now that they signed a new television deal, streaming on MAX, he’ll be back ANY DAY NOW!
Shame on the nerd for crapping on both Omega's return match and Gabe Kidd's breakout moment with his IWC echo chamber lingo bullsht
Yeah he should’ve just called the moves , we don’t watch Japan for storylines, we just want strong style injected right into our veins. Gabe Kidd is absolutely the talk of the town after that huge breakout moment, everyone is talking about it. It’s a crying shame that the commentator tried to magnify what Kidd has been talking about for weeks in a promotion vs promotion match, I sat up till 4 AM to just see the puroesu art
It's going to make AEW vs. NJPW at this year 's Forbidden Door more interesting to watch.
They've worked themselves into a shoot, brother.
I thought him saying that made stuff made the match better
You just know that Chris Jericho and Dax Harwood got in Tony Khan's ear and give him some "advice"
Tony 🤡 got his feelings hurt so bad by Effy from what he said on his own podcast that he pulled Ricky Starks (a guy he hasn’t used in like 10 months) off an upcoming show.
How can you both think that he had nothing to do with this? That’s f’n laughable
Two months suspension good Kayfabe timing just in time for the New Japan Cup in March
The comments about what have the former njpw stars done in aew was way too far. They've all won a titles, been booked super strong and seem to be extremely happy?. It made no sense at all and just felt over the top especially when he started like scream/shouting
This is very reminiscent of the Effy / GCW fallout where there are certain things that will trigger TK. I'm not surprised John said it was the "money mark" line.
thats so lame lol it was just heel commentary. which made it enjoyable and helped with alot of those matches. AEW can reference WWE every 8 business days but this is an issue ? please lol
When Tony Khan is involved, cringiness and lameness is guaranteed.
@@Mister_Phafanapolis Rocky Romero told him to cool it a little bit
@@Mister_Phafanapolis very very lame
No he shouldn’t have been suspended. I’m sorry but he said nothing wrong. Tony is more interested in signing people and throwing money around like Sasha and yes, that’s what I will call her because that’s how I know her. He lets Moxley have creative control and takes peoples title shots away to give them to Mox for a worthless storyline and to hide their world title in a bag or case. Yet, someone calls him on his bs and that announcer who does it gets suspended. So no, he should not have been suspended.
To paraphrase CM Punk, tell him when he’s telling lies because he’s not.
This is all a work
Thats false punk confronted hangman about the comments and page confirmed he did go business for himself not the same situation also Tony schivone ain't doing an angle he's really a fragile egomaniac wish Bobby hennan was here to confirm this
Just have him apologize and settle it like adults. I swear if this is Tony being b-hurt about a color commentator on a match in which the NJPW representative was saying "AEW pussies" in every promo imaginable, this is honestly silly.
It wasn't TK, and no i have no clue who it was.
@@colinmathie2710If you don't know who it is then why are you saying it's not TK? What a contradiction! 😂
@@vigoroushero8623 Don't slander m'precious nepo baby! He's only 42 years old, he's just a kid!
@@vigoroushero8623 It was a NJ call, it definitely wasn't TK.
@@colinmathie2710You just said you don't know who it was now it's a NJPW call? Wow! You indulge in Tony's Cream of Mark is see. Lol.
Hangman and Punk is horrible comparison for this issue..The Workers right line as punk said was never cleared with him, and was caught off guard when Hangman brought it up .While Chris was adding to story that Gabe Kid was already telling
The basis of Page's promo was that Punk's public persona did not comport with his actions and that he was a hypocrite - he used a line to create tension to build for a match, just like Rollins did last week with the same objective. Obviously, Chris did not have the same clearances you are admonishing Page for lacking, and in both instances, there were repercussions.
@@iamjohnpollock5327 this 💯💯💯
The Hangman promo is only bad if you remove all memory of the Punk feud with Eddie Kingston happening previously, where he said similar things and took it considerably further.
This is clearly a work. Stop pretending it's not. Lol
Criticising the folk you work with is a big no no over there, he was slagging of AEW, someone took the huff and demanded he was removed from commentary, i do agree the suspension is a tad ott.
It was more likely that upper management at NJPW and/or Bushiroad did it on their own to try and make sure AEW isn't mad at them.
@@seantaft3853 Exactly!
I imagine NJPW doesn't care but Tony Khan cried, whined, and spazzed to Tanahashi & Co to the point where they felt like they had to placate the man-child. Charleton Heston will be back on commentary in no time and nothing will come of this. Tony Schiavo has the worst look of everybody involved in this situation. He also makes a terrible cup of coffee.
Charlton added so much to that match, to suspend that guy for doing a good job is sad.
He should've been fired for going into business for himself and trying to overshadow a match that didn't need it. You never bury your businesses partner, you guys defending this nonsense is weak as hell.
But it's ok for mjf to bury new japan huh
Tony is softer than Charmin
I think you’re mixing up wrestling companies. Tony Khan owns All Elite Wrestling which is a company in America, and Hiroshi Tanahashi owns New Japan Pro Wrestling which is (obviously) a company in Japan. This happened at a New Japan show and the guy was punished by New Japan. Still think it’s dumb because it seemed like it was just part of the story (might be a work) but it doesn’t have anything to do with Tony he runs the American company
@@bobsucks9647what a mark
@@bobsucks9647 nailed it right on the head, mate 💯💯💯
NJPW is ass now. No wonder people are leaving in droves
No. Easy answer.
I feel like every time AEW gets their legs under them some BS like this happens. It's frustrating, especially since most wrestling fans do want alternatives/competition to WWE. SIGH.
This 💯💯💯
@@empower5228 Dude, WWE diehards won't admit this. But that Netflix debut shows how lackluster and bland things can get when you got ONE company. No matter how much star power they have. We all need AEW , GCW, TNA, etc.
@bigjs8821 agreed 👍 and crossovers, despite this recent incident in NJPW, should be encouraged. Can you imagine how much fan service could be had if only WWE would stop acting like they're the only damn people in the world when it comes to the pro wrestling business?? Sports-entertainment might be the name of the game for them, but it's foolishness for people to think that that's the ONLY thing that should exist rather than alternatives and other promotions doing their own thing smh
Didn't you cover this a few days ago and made a big deal out of it? 😅
We cover what’s being talked about. A bit of a “chicken/egg” situation, I’m aware, but this was a major topic of conversation after WD and only increased after his disappearance on Dash. -W
This all feels like a big work.
Get out
Everytime Aew looks bad. iTs A wOrK
@ you are delusional
Remember that during the AEW/Impact stuff Tony S would regularly crap on IMPACT. He said you were stupid if you ordered Hard To Kill. The hypocrisy is unreal.
If you can't see the difference between a company taking a partner's pre-taped promo against their product and willfully airing it on their airwaves, and Chris Charlton being a complete homer while a key liaison for the event was sitting next to him on commentary asked him at least twice to reel in the tribalism, then I don't know what to tell you. I don't think Chris should be punished harshly for what he did, because at the end of the day it all boils down to him trying to make the show interesting and NJPW really neglecting English commentary until feathers are ruffled and they're forced to do something. Quality control and a lack of production notes is not a new phenomenon for that table. This is the same company that put JR and Barnett in a recording booth and made them record commentary for weeks of NJPW on AXS until they absolutely quit caring, allowed Charlton and Kelly on past partnered events talk crap about other company's talents and booking, and then let Kevin Kelly do play-by-play with a vegetable at one point during his last tour. There is a severe lack of communication between the English commentary table and New Japan.
@ Tony S was doing this live on the AEW Wednesday show, not just TK Memphis Vince “ads”.
@@scottwhitt9379 Oh, Schaivone. I thought you meant Khan. Didn't see the S. I have no idea if TNA had issues with that or not, but I'm sure they didn't mind their upcoming PPV being mentioned on national television via thinly veiled barbs. On a similar note, Schaivone's tweet to Chris was out of line, but Tony's always been a boot licker no matter what the company, even when it's not asked of him.
Justice for Chris! He didn't say anything wrong. Tiny is a money mark and they haven't done anything with Ospreay and Okada and Switchblade. The C2 is just a ripoff of the G1 and Cocaine Tony hasn't had an original idea in his life. WWE would have treated NJPW alot better and maybe they would have even sent Freakin' to one of their shows to draw the biggest house in Nooj history!!!!!!1!