Nice job, only one remark. Why not connecting the victims sternal anchorpoint for bringing him down? Use the ventral anchorpoint from the victim harness as backup. This way he will be hanging with you in a much more comfortable/natural way during the descent. You can even assess/control his medical condition in a better way. Try it for yourself when you play the victim. Keep up the good work. Grtz
Hi, Most of the rescues I do end up with the casualty hanging from the ventral D ring for the reasons you describe however in this case it allows you to go in either direction through the transfer without harming the casualty. Ally
In discussions today for another resit this technique was discussed and it was shared that someone had gotten a fail on assessment for reaching the casualty in this way. The reason being is that with the backup on the other side of the transfer the anchored ropes you are using are more than 1.5m apart.
Hi, maybe I'm missing something but as you can see in the video the back-up is never more than about 1m to the side. The position of the anchor is irrelevant as the casualty's descender is holding the rescuer's back-up rope in position. Hopefully this makes sense.
@@allycoull4614 I don't neccesarily agree with it, it is a messy rescue either way, IMO. All issues that were raised; Backup below a toothed device if using the croll. Backup below the rig if using that side (also not designed to be shock loaded in that direction). The issue of using either the leading end of the rig or casualties second backup line for your backup using anchors that are more than 1.5m apart. The key point being the anchors, not the casualties location. Our trainer has strictly said to use the crolls tail as the assessment fail happened at their training centre. Just noting something that had happened, ultimately it is the accessors decision and more of a PSA than anything.
@@demolitionbmxd I'd agree it's a messy rescue either way. I now train it with the back-up on the croll rope as tests have been done where no damage occurred to the Croll and there's less to go wrong that way. It's just frustrating to hear when people are getting failed for techniques that are acceptable.
Everything smooth but the attachment to the casualty was not with an approve irata point of attachment(progress lanyard)...no sure an assesor will let u perform that rescue or any rescue with a progress lanyard as a point.... you could have used a Grillion or a short link to his D ring or ID..same same
Independent Ropes Well in the future I would suggest you to put the backup in your A point. You will get lesser force on your body in case of a fall. Secondly you will get a more vertical fall instead of a horizontally fall. Just a suggestion...I have never seen anybody use the Duck the way you do.
Great video and demonstration. Sounds like christians training has been over simplified. Duck is perfectly acceptable in waist D as stated in manufacturer specs. Also it is clear in this rescue why you connected the short link directly from waist Dring to waist dring rather than the usual sternal D to spine of ID krab used for other rescues
Thanks for a great video. Question, when you are releasing the casualty’s rig to come back into a vertical position - why do you not need a friction carabiner?
The friction karabiner is required for a two person load. As the load is shared between the two opposing ropes in this case I don't feel you need it. I'm sure others would disagree but it feels very easy to control.
No need for a 2nd descender. You make your connections to the casualty then remove their descender and swap the croll for the descender on the other side. Very similar to the loop rescue from the descender side.
Do you mean I have two connections the the casualty's central waist D ring? One harness is perfectly acceptable within the IRATA system and having both your connections on the same harness D ring is also an excepted industrial procedure. This happens in many situations withing IRATA training, see aid climbing for instance.
Independent Ropes Well usually you connect your casualty to the carabiner for the descender. In this case you didn’t which means a worse overview and the casualty hanging horizontally. I’m not saying it’s wrong but it’s definitely not the correct way either. And as far as Aid Climbing you’re not bringing a casualty. Putting the backup in the D-ring is just a bad way of doing it. When I do Aid climbing I never use cows tails. Instead I use Grillons that are tight. That way I’ll never get a uncontrolled fall. IRATA isn’t always the best on methods...
I agree with Independent Ropes. Two connections to a single D ring is not only acceptable but desired for several situations. D rings are often considered inherently redundant.
All perfectly within user instructions scope of use, compliant with IRATA TACS, UK working at height Regulations and reflective of what the majority of training centres are doing in my experience.
You do great work and really show closely a smooth efficient way of rescue. I look forward to each new video, Thank you, Jim
Nice job, only one remark. Why not connecting the victims sternal anchorpoint for bringing him down? Use the ventral anchorpoint from the victim harness as backup. This way he will be hanging with you in a much more comfortable/natural way during the descent. You can even assess/control his medical condition in a better way. Try it for yourself when you play the victim. Keep up the good work. Grtz
Hi,
Most of the rescues I do end up with the casualty hanging from the ventral D ring for the reasons you describe however in this case it allows you to go in either direction through the transfer without harming the casualty.
Ally
Great video man, keep up the good work always good to see a few ways to skin a cat safely ;)
Hello sir.very good job 👍
In discussions today for another resit this technique was discussed and it was shared that someone had gotten a fail on assessment for reaching the casualty in this way. The reason being is that with the backup on the other side of the transfer the anchored ropes you are using are more than 1.5m apart.
Hi, maybe I'm missing something but as you can see in the video the back-up is never more than about 1m to the side. The position of the anchor is irrelevant as the casualty's descender is holding the rescuer's back-up rope in position. Hopefully this makes sense.
@@allycoull4614 I don't neccesarily agree with it, it is a messy rescue either way, IMO.
All issues that were raised;
Backup below a toothed device if using the croll.
Backup below the rig if using that side (also not designed to be shock loaded in that direction).
The issue of using either the leading end of the rig or casualties second backup line for your backup using anchors that are more than 1.5m apart.
The key point being the anchors, not the casualties location.
Our trainer has strictly said to use the crolls tail as the assessment fail happened at their training centre.
Just noting something that had happened, ultimately it is the accessors decision and more of a PSA than anything.
@@demolitionbmxd I'd agree it's a messy rescue either way. I now train it with the back-up on the croll rope as tests have been done where no damage occurred to the Croll and there's less to go wrong that way. It's just frustrating to hear when people are getting failed for techniques that are acceptable.
Thanks for great work but the audio on all the videos echo quite a bit. Do you train with IRATA or sprat?
Hi Glen, it's IRATA training we do at Independent Ropes.
Make one video on how to rescue someone upwards
Anti quedas no ponto errado durante a ascensão. Restante esta perfeito.
Verdade, boa observação, parabéns!
Thanks for the video!
Everything smooth but the attachment to the casualty was not with an approve irata point of attachment(progress lanyard)...no sure an assesor will let u perform that rescue or any rescue with a progress lanyard as a point.... you could have used a Grillion or a short link to his D ring or ID..same same
Thank you
Why do you have your back up in your D-ring and not in your A-point?
The ASAP is on the sternal D ring. The Duck can be connected to either the sternal D or the central waist as stated in the instructions.
Independent Ropes Well in the future I would suggest you to put the backup in your A point. You will get lesser force on your body in case of a fall. Secondly you will get a more vertical fall instead of a horizontally fall. Just a suggestion...I have never seen anybody use the Duck the way you do.
@@christiansvendsen4891 interesting, the training center I just went to used the duck on the ventral point.
Great video and demonstration. Sounds like christians training has been over simplified. Duck is perfectly acceptable in waist D as stated in manufacturer specs. Also it is clear in this rescue why you connected the short link directly from waist Dring to waist dring rather than the usual sternal D to spine of ID krab used for other rescues
Thanks for a great video. Question, when you are releasing the casualty’s rig to come back into a vertical position - why do you not need a friction carabiner?
The friction karabiner is required for a two person load. As the load is shared between the two opposing ropes in this case I don't feel you need it. I'm sure others would disagree but it feels very easy to control.
@@allycoull4614 good point. I’m on my level 3 course this week, I’ll mention this to the instructor and see what he thinks 👍🏼 thanks for the reply
Encontrei um erro, no resgate da vítima. O ponto da vítima, vai ao descensor .,neste caso o aparelho RIG. ,
Do not use ear buds.
Hey how would you go the other way with him use a third descender?
No need for a 2nd descender. You make your connections to the casualty then remove their descender and swap the croll for the descender on the other side. Very similar to the loop rescue from the descender side.
Wtf ,its task from level 2 !!!!
Foking sestam
And you only got the casualty on 1 point in the end...hmmmmm...not too professional according to industrial procedures!
Do you mean I have two connections the the casualty's central waist D ring? One harness is perfectly acceptable within the IRATA system and having both your connections on the same harness D ring is also an excepted industrial procedure. This happens in many situations withing IRATA training, see aid climbing for instance.
Independent Ropes Well usually you connect your casualty to the carabiner for the descender. In this case you didn’t which means a worse overview and the casualty hanging horizontally. I’m not saying it’s wrong but it’s definitely not the correct way either. And as far as Aid Climbing you’re not bringing a casualty. Putting the backup in the D-ring is just a bad way of doing it. When I do Aid climbing I never use cows tails. Instead I use Grillons that are tight. That way I’ll never get a uncontrolled fall. IRATA isn’t always the best on methods...
I agree with Independent Ropes. Two connections to a single D ring is not only acceptable but desired for several situations. D rings are often considered inherently redundant.
I literally thought the same thing and came to the comments to see if anyone else saw this… I just got my IRATA level 1
All perfectly within user instructions scope of use, compliant with IRATA TACS, UK working at height Regulations and reflective of what the majority of training centres are doing in my experience.