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  • Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
  • A short video showing how i went about making my first nasal Helm (Spanghelm) Hope you guys find it useful. I think it would be easier to make in two pieces rather than four, Maybe next time.
    Made from
    2mm sheet steel
    2.5mm straps
    3mm nose guard
    Finish is Brushed
    Hope you find it interesting, if you have any ideas for future videos let me know in the comments below.
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Комментарии • 186

  • @Landrew0
    @Landrew0 6 лет назад +207

    I always wondered how they did that. The mig welder is a lot older than I thought.

    • @velazquezarmouries
      @velazquezarmouries 6 лет назад +18

      Landrew0 in the época they just used Thor's hammer it haves a similar effects

    • @koshi6505
      @koshi6505 5 лет назад +8

      Probably using rivets and/or brazing, which is kind of like welding anyways. Brazing has been around since 3000 BC.

    • @rumpelpumpel7687
      @rumpelpumpel7687 4 года назад +12

      @@koshi6505 riveting, forge welding and in later medieval times, they were able to forge a helmet (the spherical part) from a single sheet of metal. Brazing Not so much. The technique is around for a long time but brazed seams are not very shock resistant and would probably break after a few blows.
      Ever heard of the "golden hats"?
      Amazing craftsmanship from over 3000 years ago. Super-thin goldsheets in the form of a wizzards hat... (Gandalf is real😉)
      They're also made from a single piece of metal ... but it's gold, not steel and there are "magical engravings" on it. Really fascinating!
      Here's the Wiki Link
      en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Hat_of_Schifferstadt

    • @Uncle_Jacob
      @Uncle_Jacob 4 года назад +5

      Landrew0 yeah I wonder if that's an authentic reproduction of a mig welder tho

    • @Overworkedandunderpaid
      @Overworkedandunderpaid 4 года назад +1

      Rumpel Pumpel that’s fascinating indeed.

  • @marcsenteney3160
    @marcsenteney3160 7 лет назад +43

    Well done! Do you have plans to make more armor pieces? Would like to see more.

  • @TwentythreePER
    @TwentythreePER 4 года назад +14

    Your helmet look really good when it's done. I have a rudimentary coal forge in my barn that I've been trying to get to know how to use so I can one day make amazing things like this. Great work, I may have to try this if I get good enough and have the right equipment. Hopefully some day. This has been very inspiring to watch though.

  • @drason69
    @drason69 7 лет назад +44

    I was waiting for someone to come give you a landing strike from a weapon at the end, to test it out. Lol

  • @LeatherSlim
    @LeatherSlim 7 лет назад +29

    thank god you actually had a coif on underneath. most people don't even know they were used.

  • @DaneStolthed
    @DaneStolthed 6 лет назад +1

    This is the best Spangenhelm build I've seen on RUclips, Big thumbs up!

  • @Chaos_Jorre
    @Chaos_Jorre 4 года назад +6

    I was hoping to see how they did it without welding. Do you have any idea and would you be able to do it? I'd be very interested in seeing a video showing how it was done like in the appropriate age :)

    • @keithhagler502
      @keithhagler502 4 года назад +4

      Much the same way. The welding is just a good way to hold it together, but if the plates match good, then you can rivet the straps and plates together as you go. I use the welder on normal pieces that are not meant to be best quality, and there is nothing wrong with that from an aesthetic viewpoint as they are only visible from the inside. Also, the rivets do not have to be peened from the inside. You can use nails and peen from the outside, or, you will need a special hammer with longer neck to reach those on the crown from the inside. This was not shown or explained in the video. As to the historical approach, the pattern he is using is not the best to go about it. Study photos of originals and draw them and get a feel for how they are constructed. Normally using 4 straps instead of 2 and the straps have their own curvature. The only way I would make the helmet in this video is by using the welder, since it is not particularly historical, so I would be hard-pressed to build it historically in the first place.

  • @TheStonehammerFiles
    @TheStonehammerFiles 7 лет назад +16

    After watching this and seeing the tools you used, I know I can make this. I may not have the oxy torch but I'm sure I can rig up something to work with my forge.

    • @michaelslack5269
      @michaelslack5269 5 лет назад +3

      That whole helm can be made cold no need for heat with these...

  • @johngorman4052
    @johngorman4052 3 года назад +8

    Great work, on a tricky project too. Those curves in the helmet pieces would all have to be the same for the segments to fit together- a lot of forging and know-how involved right there. Excellent job by the Master Blacksmith, always a pleasure to see you at work, thanks.

  • @jonathanmartin-ives8665
    @jonathanmartin-ives8665 4 года назад +2

    What a beautiful piece!

  • @zellarcher
    @zellarcher 7 лет назад +18

    Was this our Valentines gift? Because it was a good one.

  • @محمدحسینعلینیا-ص1ق
    @محمدحسینعلینیا-ص1ق 4 года назад +1

    Verrrrrry good
    That's amazing
    ❤❤❤❤❤

  • @paulus281059
    @paulus281059 7 лет назад +4

    Really like this vid, a work of art mate, brilliant job. And you works so quick, amazing speed, lol.

  • @daveadams7763
    @daveadams7763 7 лет назад +2

    What a great project, very well executed

  • @boredtodeathify
    @boredtodeathify 7 лет назад +29

    looks like it could use a chinstrap

    • @GEEK-fy1dz
      @GEEK-fy1dz 6 лет назад +1

      that mean. after all that, and realising the rivets are already in XD

    • @velazquezarmouries
      @velazquezarmouries 6 лет назад

      steampoweredman or some rivets too

  • @johnclarke7626
    @johnclarke7626 5 лет назад +1

    A very practical design for those who fight in groups. I have a barbute with no provision for hearing commands or enemy movement. Might as well be a bucket.

  • @michaelburiak4304
    @michaelburiak4304 7 лет назад +3

    Very interesting) already watch all of your video works. Good luck!!! Everything you do in your videos - awesome

  • @jefftoler9302
    @jefftoler9302 5 лет назад +1

    hey man,screw that block of dam wood down! LOL i loved it!

  • @jacobdrescher1756
    @jacobdrescher1756 7 лет назад +7

    looks awesome!

  • @PunkBloke666
    @PunkBloke666 Месяц назад

    Hi! Job very well done! Is it possible to have the scaling of the hemet pieces? Or how did the scaling for the four main pieces? Thank you!

  • @bill0127
    @bill0127 5 лет назад +5

    Me before video:
    This looks easy enough to make!
    Me after video:
    Ehhh I might just buy one

  • @s.sradon9782
    @s.sradon9782 5 лет назад +3

    traditionally there would have been an overlap between the four quarters of the helmet which would have been punched and riveted

  • @tomasistudios2618
    @tomasistudios2618 7 лет назад +1

    I really enjoyed your time laps vids. I make swords and other things, I also have some sword making time laps vids but I put things like actual speed on there

  • @wooddecay
    @wooddecay 5 лет назад +1

    AMAZING i need to try make one of these.

  • @tango1zero22
    @tango1zero22 6 лет назад +3

    Ive worked metal for 35 years. I always had an idea of doing one of these. I had the same idea. Mig weld 4 pieces together and cover it.

  • @koningbolo4700
    @koningbolo4700 6 лет назад +4

    See you in Hastings... :-)

  • @metaldetectingpa7950
    @metaldetectingpa7950 5 лет назад +1

    I want to see this, made of copper, bronze, and brass!

  • @ImaginationHobbies
    @ImaginationHobbies 4 года назад

    Awesome job!

  • @paulorchard7960
    @paulorchard7960 3 года назад

    Had an interest in medieval armor now for a year or so, no idea why, past life maybe!

  • @Beowulf-sd5gh
    @Beowulf-sd5gh 7 лет назад +3

    First of all well done! If you wanted to make it historically accurate you could have skipped the welding, but idon't know if you are interested in that.

  • @TheArendt1
    @TheArendt1 6 лет назад +2

    That fast hammering remembers me of Benny Hill, hitting the bald guy on is head :)

  • @bruceosborne1892
    @bruceosborne1892 6 лет назад

    Nice works!

  • @latelierdeledold4708
    @latelierdeledold4708 3 года назад +2

    The helmet looks amazing !

  • @mangiamohealthy3188
    @mangiamohealthy3188 6 лет назад +1

    fantastic- how can i buy one?

  • @ducomaritiem7160
    @ducomaritiem7160 7 лет назад

    Hi, just a question....
    Why making 4 parts of a conical helmet and then welding them together.... ??? I don't get it.
    What can be simpler then First making the banding, Then shaping the plates , drilling holes and rivet them together...
    It's more historical, just as fast as what you do and more easy.
    Really, I've done lots of banded nasal helmets...
    I'm sure you can, I see a lot of talent in your toolhandeling.
    Or is there another reason for the 4 part welding procedure?

    • @phoenixforge5944
      @phoenixforge5944  7 лет назад

      Duco Maritiem it was the first one i made, very much an experiment, making the banding first may be a faster option, il have to give it a go

  • @glennrussellapura6403
    @glennrussellapura6403 2 года назад +1

    The Spangenhelm is actually a Roman design in origin. It was used and issued to auxillaries being cheap and essy to fabricate

  • @elcatrinc1996
    @elcatrinc1996 3 года назад +1

    Time to raid england

  • @manuelkong10
    @manuelkong10 Год назад

    Well I love your helmet

  • @OutlawEdge
    @OutlawEdge 7 лет назад +3

    SUBBED!!! Awesome stuff👍

  • @zarrus2172
    @zarrus2172 5 лет назад

    Do you test fit it to make sure it fits you or do you already know?

  • @jimbojet8728
    @jimbojet8728 7 лет назад +2

    Fascinating to watch that helmet being made. A great vid, thank you.

  • @chialeux514
    @chialeux514 6 лет назад

    What are you talking about ?!? No astronaut ever wore these helmets !! These are, like, medieval ! NASA helmet, my ass !

  • @michael7324
    @michael7324 7 лет назад +5

    Forging. The one skill I so with I had. Is this an expensive hobby?

    • @Robert-qm7yi
      @Robert-qm7yi 7 лет назад +5

      depends on how much you want to spend, if you're clever you can forge with a hole in the ground, hair dryer and tools you have around the house; if you don't mind spending money you can sink thousands into it

    • @michaelslack5269
      @michaelslack5269 7 лет назад +2

      Not really...I mean any hobby involves some investment. Check out the SCA they have some really nice 'work arounds' that save $$$ and (with practice) you can get the same results shown here. For these style helms there really is no need to weld. To cut metal from sheet...find a beverly shear, Aka throatless shear Harbor freight has them (faster and silent...no noise) as opposed to a band or power saw. An angle grinder is a very handy and flexible tool! Of course a hand drill...then again if ya want to go faster and (again) silent find a whitney punch. Harbor freight has affordable anvils, or find a section of railroad track or both. If yer gonna do this hobby different types of hammers are needed as they are largely task specific, files are a huge help along with scrap iron for shaping yer own forming stakes. I could go on but I hope you get the idea. No need to break the bank bud! One last thing (or two) NOISE! This is a very noisy hobby so think about 1...yer ears and 2...yer neighbors. Hope all this helps. If ya got any questions hit me up...good luck!

    • @smytheindustries2192
      @smytheindustries2192 7 лет назад

      Some people build a forge from an old brake drum, and steel plumbing pipe. They can burn charcoal and get air from a bellows. If you're not trying for period methods, you can swap the bellows for a $10 hair dryer. Some people love charcoal and various coals, and will use just that and air. You'd also need a hammer, and something resembling an anvil. You should be able to do it for under $50.
      Search Google for "simple forge". You'll see various ways to accomplish the same job.
      It's a hobby that you can keep adding to, and making bigger, better, setups. On my channel, there is a venturi burner, which lets you use propane and air, instead of charcoal. Mine was for a foundry, but they're the same burners. From there, you'll get into insulated forging space, like a very hot oven for heating metal.
      Making stuff is fun. Making cool stuff, that much better.

    • @bobhatesrainbows
      @bobhatesrainbows 6 лет назад

      My first charcoal forge made with a brake drum, steel pipe and a hair dryer cost me around $50 CAD. My anvil was sitting around my friends mothers yard and was free. Any hammer around 3-5lbs will do to start (you'll end up with a lot of hammers). The first few projects you do will be making the rest of the tools you need such as hardy tools and tongs (these are great to learn on). It's a great hobby and well worth the time spent.

    • @afinoxi
      @afinoxi 6 лет назад +1

      Just dig a hole in the ground , add a pipe to the hole , lead it away from the hole , add a hair dryer.
      After you started the fire , add a lot of charcoal (that's what gives the heat) , start the hair dryer and put your metal in the fire. After some time , take it and forge. It's easy , just needs a little skill. You don't even need to buy the metal. Go to a junkyard and pick up yourself some basic junk steel. Railroad spikes and old saws are very good choices for example.

  • @raulantonioarayabugueno9047
    @raulantonioarayabugueno9047 6 лет назад +1

    Es usted un verdadero herrero vikingo
    Ahora me suscribo congratulaciones por subtalento

  • @briantriplett2455
    @briantriplett2455 3 года назад

    would be way more impressive if you lost the use of electrical tools. no on lookds up armor smithing to see an electric grinder. other than that great vid.

  • @paradisefalls37
    @paradisefalls37 7 лет назад +2

    Great craftsmanship! Really cool design! Thanks for sharing!

  • @The_Nailsmith
    @The_Nailsmith 4 года назад

    Kinda wished there was a template

  • @homemademedieval3935
    @homemademedieval3935 7 лет назад +2

    I love this channel! you make the coolest stuff

  • @maksmaso4741
    @maksmaso4741 7 лет назад +1

    Hello, first of all - Nice work :) just a little hint for you. look at the human head from the top, it is not a exact circle its a bit oval. when you are making those four parts dont make it exact equilaterals triangles, but move the point a littlebit to the side. longer side facing front and back and the shorter facing side of the head. final bottom shape of the helmet will be oval. it will be much more comfortable to wear and if it will come to that, it will absorb hits much more nicely because it wil fit the shape of the head better. hope it will help :) good luck with the next ones :)

    • @scotty7845
      @scotty7845 2 года назад +3

      Hey Re-Enactor here. This! We aren't stick figures and helmets made like that are last to get picked up. Thank you

  • @stairwayunicorn4861
    @stairwayunicorn4861 3 года назад

    not sure why you cut off the extra spangen from the front when it would have been perfect as reinforcement for the nasal

  • @bonniemcdaniel8
    @bonniemcdaniel8 2 года назад

    I HAVE A HELMET THAT LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE THIS ONE. TO A TEA. IT WAS LINED IN VELVET AND COTTON WITH THE COTTON SEED STILL IN THE BATTING. NOT SURE WHAT THE ESTIMATED AGE WOULD BE.

  • @dianarun99
    @dianarun99 7 лет назад +3

    Excellent craftsmanship! loved the video. Keep up the good work.

  • @pierrecaillou9167
    @pierrecaillou9167 5 лет назад

    wat is the steel

  • @Scrimjer
    @Scrimjer 3 года назад

    So is the music supposed to cover up the shop sounds?

  • @luissimei6482
    @luissimei6482 4 года назад +1

    Uow!!!!👏👏👏👏

  • @zw.6901
    @zw.6901 4 года назад +1

    Классный шлем брат!

  • @Slysivermint
    @Slysivermint Год назад

    Wished you gave instructions to build this

  • @hermitbamboo1606
    @hermitbamboo1606 4 года назад +1

    this just makes me curious about how are these made in the medieval times? also it might be cool to use some medival style bgm.

    • @owenbagwell8997
      @owenbagwell8997 4 года назад +1

      hermit bamboo with rivets I think, the welding he used to strengthen it I think

  • @paoloblasig45
    @paoloblasig45 6 лет назад

    fantastic

  • @margaritamalinina7734
    @margaritamalinina7734 5 лет назад

    What is the steel thickness?

  • @ChristianThePagan
    @ChristianThePagan 5 лет назад

    Nice helmet, but ... I have never seen a surviving helmet with those ‘V’ section spangen but I suppose there could have been helmets made like that. Much worse for the historicity are the round dome rivets, those are a re-enactorism. Medieval helmet rivets were usually flat or only very gently domed so as not to catch blades. You want blades to glance off, not catch on rivets so funnily enough you’d be better off for historical accuracy using carpenter’s nails than modern round topped rivets. I tend to file those things flat when I buy one of these re-enactor helmets and go over the files down river heads with a preening hammer to make them look hand made.

  • @donvaldezmarco
    @donvaldezmarco 3 года назад

    Where can I find one of this dudes in Minnesota?

  • @RikkiTheRose
    @RikkiTheRose 7 лет назад +2

    more types of helmets

  • @SeaTangMan
    @SeaTangMan 5 лет назад

    that welding sucks hard dude.... i made one of myself and its very much harder to build it historical....

  • @kukri8848
    @kukri8848 4 года назад

    someone please help, i really would love to make a spangenhelm but i have no idea how to make the measurements and templates for everything. when j make the bands its either too small or not shaped quite right, is it just trial and error?

  • @worldiscoverercanari
    @worldiscoverercanari 6 лет назад

    I want you to be my husband,...i am a pink elephant with wings and austrige feders..Hail Odin!!

  • @attila-5491
    @attila-5491 4 года назад

    Good job...and now you need a king

  • @bradbarber799
    @bradbarber799 Год назад

    Ah yes, the ancient technique of welding with a propane torch. All jokes aside its a neat helm

  • @Tookrati
    @Tookrati 4 года назад +1

    Well done!

  • @elchavintv2283
    @elchavintv2283 7 лет назад +1

    Excelente !!!, From Argentina !!!

  • @marcuschauvin7039
    @marcuschauvin7039 5 лет назад

    You made it wrong. The vertical pieces go UNDER the bottom band.

  • @sirjosefofhessen4527
    @sirjosefofhessen4527 4 года назад

    How can an sugar loaf helmet be rated when forged of high carbon steel 14 gauge

  • @Thyago525
    @Thyago525 4 года назад

    have patterns for ?

  • @robertrichards1645
    @robertrichards1645 7 лет назад

    What gage metal

  • @thegermaniccoenus2525
    @thegermaniccoenus2525 3 года назад

    It does tell me you can make a Pilos or Konos helmet with that base steel cap.

  • @SlySpe
    @SlySpe 3 года назад

    Salut ce qui me fascine au delà du travail de formage c'est que c'est toujours le bazar dans l'atelier....
    je suis de formation aéronautique et je trouve ça hallucinant!
    Keep on mate

  • @ugotit33x
    @ugotit33x 7 лет назад +2

    EXCELLENT

  • @rebelbiker9956
    @rebelbiker9956 3 года назад

    Fantastic build ! I would have pur a chin strap of some sort by the way

  • @bryanthoblit2248
    @bryanthoblit2248 7 лет назад +1

    I see your channel is growing

  • @bubbajoexxx
    @bubbajoexxx 5 лет назад

    nice build on the bone bucket

  • @bernardoxoke
    @bernardoxoke Год назад

    Just great

  • @keithpetrino
    @keithpetrino Год назад

    You're obviously a very skilled guy, but, historically accurate or not, a viking helmet has to have horns.

    • @TheFamilyMan862
      @TheFamilyMan862 Год назад

      Vikings never wore horns and there helmet and this isn’t a even a Viking helmet

  • @thorsonknivesdalepattison8641
    @thorsonknivesdalepattison8641 7 лет назад +2

    Badass!!

  • @woodscrew5612
    @woodscrew5612 7 лет назад +1

    Need to protect the nose! Nice stuff

  • @matnaylor8939
    @matnaylor8939 5 лет назад

    Not sure about the mig welding ?? But looks nice enough .

  • @GypsyPaz
    @GypsyPaz 6 лет назад

    Awesome! Althogh I cant help but be reminded of that scene from the Robin Hood movie where the Sherrif beats up the guard wearing that helmet. Lol

  • @jonasdenis7474
    @jonasdenis7474 7 лет назад +1

    good bro

  • @coldbloodedfasist5536
    @coldbloodedfasist5536 7 лет назад +3

    that is sick!
    now just put some chainmail to proteck the back neck and that's it!

  • @djay6651
    @djay6651 5 лет назад

    Looks like its sitting too high on your head. Nice work, otherwise.

  • @ТокпакРадов
    @ТокпакРадов 5 лет назад

    Дух у кузнеца определяли просто: снимали штаны садились на глинянныый горшок, у кого от пердежа горшок треснув,лопался у того духа больше.

  • @sjoormen1
    @sjoormen1 5 лет назад

    Leather has no place in this sort of helm.

  • @cernismirtkamennoeserdce9221
    @cernismirtkamennoeserdce9221 5 лет назад

    Can you make a Barbrute (Bobba Fett style) helmet?

  • @gabrielsanchez6160
    @gabrielsanchez6160 4 года назад

    Impresionante

  • @jimmydunn8791
    @jimmydunn8791 6 лет назад

    I think this channel is underrated. I put this next to DiResta and other great creators

  • @ionelolaru9582
    @ionelolaru9582 2 года назад

    Grosimea tablei ?

  • @1431939
    @1431939 7 лет назад +8

    welding? really man? just rivet the ribs and nasal, historical and strong enough

    • @MedievalGenie
      @MedievalGenie 5 лет назад

      @Jas. Strong-Oak It does mean that people like myself without welding equipment still feel like they won't know exactly how to make a decent helmet.

    • @ModernBladesmith
      @ModernBladesmith 5 лет назад

      @@MedievalGenie two words, rivets.

  • @KenManTheOneAndOnly
    @KenManTheOneAndOnly 5 лет назад

    Does anyone know how to make the "bowls" to make the bends?

  • @suddencucumber5994
    @suddencucumber5994 7 лет назад

    how thick was that iron sheet?

  • @InsolentHalo
    @InsolentHalo 7 лет назад

    How did you figure the pattern for the 4 pieces that make up the dome? Thats the part I am stuck on. Did you have a pattern?

    • @tonyberg6861
      @tonyberg6861 7 лет назад

      ChemicalLife I'm going to give it a try and was struggeling with this too, but if you make the a cardboard shape of the helmet and fit it to your head you can then draw out the patterns alot easier, I have yet to test if it actually work yet but I have a good feeling about it, just one strip around the head, one for height of your head and then the actual shape of the helmet on top of that. Hope it works and I hope it helps!

    • @phoenixforge5944
      @phoenixforge5944  6 лет назад

      I borrowed one from a friend that was a good fit and made a paper template from that and added a little extra.

    • @Oldskoolbloke
      @Oldskoolbloke 5 лет назад

      The pattern development for this type of shape is called "Triangulation" in particular you use a "Bull Nose" development (the same as is used for making a sink) it is tricky and unless you are making various sizes etc - it is easier to shape and then trim a template piece.

  • @silentvisitor1420
    @silentvisitor1420 5 лет назад

    Super Arbeit gemacht ,sehr gute Anleitung, Danke für das zeigen und hochladen .:)