What caused Brazil to crash out of the World Cup? Tim Vickery explains
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- Brazil-based journalist Tim Vickery joins Joe Molloy to discuss Brazil's early exit from the World Cup and Lionel Messi's impending Final appearance.
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Tim is a top man,used to listen to him years ago on BBC radio ,his knowledge of South American football and footballers is encyclopedic
Agreed. Tim knows his stuff.
I like Tim but his rating of Brazil is somewhat delusional. It's because he's in and around it 24/7 he obviously gets sucked up in to the hype. Before every world cup he comes on to UK broadcasters telling us how great Brazil are and picks them to win world cups, reality is they've been no better than England have over the last 20 years..
@@Lewi_4554they’ve won more than England in the last 20 years
@@Lewi_4554Verdade! Sou brasileiro e também concordo plenamente consigo. O brasileiro não aceita o talento de Sir Stanley MATHEWS e Bobby Charlton
@@prometheustv6558Jogaram poucas vezes nesse duelo Brasil x Inglaterra
A Inglaterra de Sir Stanley Mathews ,ganhou do Brasil num amistoso em Londres no ano de 1956, sendo então, o escore Inglaterra 4 X 2 Brasil
Tim vickery easily the best football journalist absolutely brilliant.
they beat korea 4-0 and they thought they had won the trophy already .... Argentina losing the first game was actually a blessing in disguise for them .. that focussed their minds and every game since has been a final
agree. korea are lucky to be last 16. as uruguay just need 1 more goal
Korea played suicide football instead of defending properly.
Agreed. Players and the manager dancing on the pitch wasn't a good look. That's OK once you've won the trophy. Top comment.
7:25 spot on from Tim. Spot on. Because Neymar never really understand the physical style of football. He never really understood the importance of building up his body so that it can take the physicality and the punishment. And he is not smart enough, as Tim pointed out, on when to do the moves and when not to.
great point
I do agree with the Neymar comment that he invites the foul, a lot of the times he baits the defender and tries to show them up, instead of passing the ball and getting the return pass, like the goal he scored. Neymar does have to change his game and play with more intelligence.
You are talking he is no longer 20 years he has to do it with intelligence like Luka modric
That’s what grealish does but he runs away from goal and just falls over 😂
He’s 30.
I think Brazil has taken a backward step in fitness and conditioning. Because when you see the likes of Ronaldo, Cafu, Romario, Rivaldo, etc, they used to be well-built and could also play physical style if they needed to and would also last a tournament. It is glaring to see that whenever they play disciplined and physical European competitions, they struggle and then injuries happen. Croatia went to penalties with Japan and yet it was Brazilian players pulling up with cramps, and I did not even know that Richarlison was that badly injured to play. So I think they need to go back on physical program and conditioning because the approach is not working.
I disagree it's nothing to do with being Physical or conditioning these guys all play for European teams their as fit as any team. When you see a Brazil team with Richarlison as their main striker you know their in trouble he doesn't start every week for his club side , this Brazil was packed with mediocre players in comparison to the great teams of the ,past surely there are better players back in Brazil than a lot of these guys.
@Jim Watson well we cant say that. To say that there is better players in Brazil than some of those players is kind of unfair considering the quality of football in South American clubs is not the same anymore.
Plus physicality and conditioning matters. Croatia players played 120 mins plus penalties against Japan in the previous round and yet somehow Brazil players were the ones cramping up. And then against European oppositions, the lack of physicality and weight training really showed.
The Brazilian teams use to big and strong. This team looked like teenagers.
They need to get Hulks up body program for the whole team. Instead of playing video games they should be doing 200 push ups a night.
@@jimwatson7238 they're
Football is all about moments. Croatia had that just one moment when Brazil lost the plot with their composure and discipline. What Brazil did in those 10 min after scoring the goal is unforgivable. I would blamed the manger. They played 4-0-6! An amateur team from San Marino wouldn't do that mistake! This would not happened to Argentina.
Tite is useless Coach. Why bring Fred. Fabinho on the bench and Bruno too
Get Tim on every day. Had to search for his view on Brazil's PME again
Neymar should have had that rethink 4yrs ago.
The top man on South American football
Absolutely brilliant. The absence of street footballers is the most potent Argument. Although there will always be street football danger or not. Street football encourages toughness speed of thought and most of all creativity. Brazil no longer select these players.
The Legendinho... The man, the myth, the legend. Unparalleled. Yes Comrade.
The problem Brazil have is that every time a World Cup comes along they are hyped up as the probable winner because of their track record and history - sometimes this is warranted - and other times it is not because they are not that good.
A Real Football Genius...Why is he not a Main Stream Host...
In my opinion, what caused Brazil's elimination was some Brazilian's pride and especially, Neymar's who thought they were already winners before they played against Croatia. Nevertheless, when you think you're better than the others or you are on the top of the world, the good luck isn't on your side, that's what happened to Brazil. So, I did expected a little bit more of Brazil.
Had nothing to do with luck or attitiude. Croatia made at least 2 dozen field switches in that match and Brazil didn't read them. Brazil has the same problem a lot of nations showed at this WC: zero dedicated box-to-box players. 4-6 defenders and 4-6 attackers, no mids to control pace or section up the field. Argentina, by contrast, had at least 4 mids on the pitch in any given match- 5 if you count Messi.
Tim speaks sense 👏🏽 👌🏽 😊👍🏽👍🏽🔥
Brazil were the best team in this tournament. They went out to a lucky deflection and that's that. No way Argentina or France beat them straight up. Stop reading too much into this defeat.
Optimism made me hit the. To win or be the best requires heart, skill, strategy, resolve, fight and focus, among other things. Brazil 🇧🇷🇧🇷, as the midfield (Fred), Raphinha & left back woes plus forward injuries showed, did not have it all. New manager, more experience and nous...plus seeing Argentina 🇦🇷🙌 and France MAY well be the kick start required. Go Selecao!!@
Croatia beat them bro 😂
@@yogi2983 So?
@@SKPainify best team? foh
Cameron beats them too
Brazil lost because they thought the game had been won with that lone goal against Croatia. Croatia had a bit of luck on their that their lone shot on target turned into a deflected goal. Brazil had chances to score more goals but they couldn’t finish.
This Brazil would’ve matched up quite well vs Argentina in the semis… that would’ve been a great one to watch.
I enjoyed the way Tite had them playing, but they were always going to be vulnerable to counters.
I though from game one Brazil weren't all that even been favourites. I had a feeling they would be out around quarter final. Didn't think they played well in any of the games. Neymar upsets the game with he constant falling over.
Man! You are a real analist.
Brazil 🇧🇷 didn't play as a team it seemed all about Neymar which stopped alot of other stars from performing. Neymar didn't look fully fit either. Personally I think Brazil will come back stronger without Neymar. Neymar was world class once upon a time but is now in decline & it showed at this World Cup. Yeah the goal was good but not good enough ⚽️ 🏟
Exactly. Neymar upset the ridom of the game going to ground all the time stopping the flow of the game.
Brazil will never be like the old teams. They play more European style football now witch doesn't suit them. They were very bad in this world cup.
Brazil left the world cup because they forget to defend 5 minutes from the end. I don't know any team that will try to score a goal 5 minutes from the end of a world cup final leaving 6 players at the wrong end of the field. The manager must have been smoking something very strong.
That was the strangest loss I ever seen. Its like Tite arranged the team to lose and after Neymar manage to score the team moved to attack like if they were losing.
@@brunolucas3869 So strange. I was personally hurt by Brazil's loss. I expected more from them, at that point I thought defending would have been a no-brainer
@@charlesdara some could say some got paid do dive or not paid enough, could be disagreement or they were tired and move to do what Tite inflicted on them as stubborn strategy. That Netflix doco "the redemption team" is basketball but same lesson apply. For events like this, bringing the best is not enough. Every box must be checked and still you may need everyone doing there best to the end
@@brunolucas3869 True. Maybe they didn't want it enough. Imagine Croatia fighting to win Brazil and then got humiliated by Argentina so easily. Like it makes me really think this World Cup was rigged to favour Argentina in the end.
It has been reported that Neymar wants to continue with Brazil for 2026. Let's hope that Brazil finds the formula to be able to lift that trophy when the time comes.
neymar has to step a side there is a lot of tarlent in Brazil to much depth pple like Enrique who are young and promising Danilo in the midfield we need now a team that has ambition to win trophies Rodrigo whose need more playing time and lost brazil was in the verge of building a team 2026 is a different ball game I can say until 2040 we have a none storable team with the tarlent from 1982 team to around 2008 brazil was a threat to the world that time has come after this world cup now they need to focus with a goal of winning world cup jogo bonito soon is back flavour football
@@johnkureshi5940 talent
Tim is the best
Brazil were poor. Players who play for Leeds, Spurs. Players on their last legs. Players simply not that good. And just utterly boring. They deserve nothing for trying to be pragmatic, trying to think too much. They looked awful. As for Vickery, consistently the best non football person in the media. Perceptive and smart.
I admit I was gutted Brazil lost and lost to a Croatia team that had won just one game (Canada) and had 1 shot on goal vs Brazil - a deflection. Some people say "no one team stood out" but I thought Brazil were finally being the Brazil of old for many moments in Qatar and I was glad to see that flair come back. I must say, they impressed me. Croatia just do not have a forward line and they were a disappointment for the neutral. A Brazil v Argentina semi final would have been some game. And despite the mixed feelings for Neymar, I was gutted for him. Did so well to come back after that injury and Scored a great goal v Croatia. Football is so cruel.
Brazil are famous for their flair. But what won them World Cups was a spine of steel. Tough, technically excellent players who worked hard. Dunga, Branco, Cafu, Gilberto Silva, Edmilson etc. They don’t have that now.
thats why argentina blast them 3-0. lol
No. A Brazil vs Argentina semifinal may not have been pretty if you are a Brazil fan. Brazil didn't have Brazil-like possession against Croatia. Brazil needs to become more physical. Their recent history against the European teams is telling. But, I do have confidence that they'll fix this glaring issue. Brazil 2026!!!
@@KLHK1981 they got blasted cause their coach got tactically beaten. Argentina were there for the taking. Look at their performances throughout the tournament. Nothing to dream about. The same thing happened with the French. The managers are all trying to dream up ways to stop Messi. Croatia stopped him in 2018. They didnt manmark him then. Why do that now and kill your defence line. Plus they know how to get the penalties in the box. And they play dirty. Im still stunned the French didnt finish them off
@@georgiaa213 The French didn't play well except for the last 20 minutes.
Personally I think Brazil should have brought Firmihno who can play multiple positions (number 10) including instead of picking many athletes like Anthony, martinelli ,Rodrigo ....They thought neymar a natural winger would play Number 10 through out the tournament ....For me Argentina won the world cup when Brazil lost to Croatia ...
On the ball can you ask Tim vickery wat he thinks of DANILO's attacking prowess now please 👍
Tim called Argentina doing something special under Scaloni about a year ago. My favourite football journo. 👍🏴🇧🇷
Brazil’s problems can be traced back to the heart breaking defeat to Italy in the 1982 World Cup in Spain,they have never recovered fully from that loss. Brazilian football took a heavy knock,they won it twice with sub par teams,especially in 94 where they just grinded out results and stumbled over the line,won in 02 due to the individual brilliance of Ronaldo and Rivaldo,but as a team Brazil continues to disappoint in world cups. They had a nothing player like Fred in Quatar,standards in Brazil have dropped big time.
Well said,if that team had won that World Cup they would have been on par with the 1970 squad.The defeat against Italy came as a shock to many Brazilian supporters around the world.Since that day, July 5th 1982,Brazilian coaches simply do not know which game to play.They tried to be too cautious,frankly the coaches do not seem to know what style of football to adopt.In addition ,the quality of Brazilian players has fallen drastically.
Firmino would have played his heart out for his national team but was sadly left out of the squad.
What made Brazil great in the past ,is they had the Brazilian style of football ,under Tito ,he wanted to play the European style , unfortunately they can't play that style as good as a European side ,
Tite chose a bunch of players based of names only. Raphinha had no reason to be there, Pedro I could make an argument for, Antony suspicious, Ribeiro, Alves, Paquetá... There is a lot of talent from Brazil he could have picked, but he chose not to. Injuries as mentioned didn't help and Oliver's refereeing certainly didn't help.
Brazil don't play the beautiful game anymore they try to play like a European team and it doesn't work. They are producing European type players with no flair this was the most average Brazil squad ever ,unrecognisable from the great teams of the past.
Your right 2010 team played like a European team Brazil have been playing like that for years. This current team is full of players who are average or over the hill, with the exception of one game they were a hard watch and nothing like a great Brazil team.
@sandman Richarlison scored the best goal of tournament agreed but hes not a regular starter for his club side , he doesn't look a great player he's just OK.Your right if Messi wasn't playing Argentina would have no chance of winning the tournament.
Their best players go to Europe early and have done for some time. The World Cup isn’t the shop window for younger players that it once was. Brazil will have to adapt if they want to be successful in future, even flair players are expected to press these days.
@@TheLastAngryMan01 your absolutely correct.
@sandman If they were a good Brazil team it wouldn't have went to penalties , Messi is 35 he doesn't have to press he just creates and wins matches.
Brazil lost because what happened in Mineirão in 2014 has not ended. Brazil lost 7x1 and on the other day everything was normal. We had to sort our football and nothing happened. The consequences are still there. How our culture is messy. Now, we have to start doing the things right, however, Brazilian Confederation Cup is more worried with money and profit than football.
Too many theatrics from Neymar. The rolling on the floor, the grimacing when fouled, not passing when he needs to do, inviting defenders to foul him, unnecessary show boating …. It’s very annoying to watch and does not bode well for Brazil. They also need to tone down the arrogance!!
One mistake during ET punished and then to compound it Neymar doesn’t take the first penalty in the shootout to set the tone.
Neymar need to start show maturity on the field.
I can take that one, Croatia beat them, that's what caused Brazil to 'crash out', or to exit the World Cup.
Croatia so deserved their equalizer, deflected or however else, they were good for it, + the shoot-out, they handled that business significantly better.
I was amazed how Brazil made S Korea look, they were lucky to come 2nd!.
Croatia were never out of their depth against Brazil, + then against Argentina, maybe not out of their depth, but soundly beaten.
You beat Brazil + then you're promptly brushed aside by the other South American giants, if one doesn't get ya, the other one will!!!!!
Neymar’s goal was excellent. Good enough to win that game. How they lost it was they didn’t get their best peno kickers kick first. I don’t understand why they want to take the winning peno. Well I do. Argentina didn’t. They’re own fault
@@bobsyourunclefannysyouraun6997 Five shootouts in this World Cup, and only one of them went to the fifth kick...
Lack of bottle and resolve. Overrated squad etc.
Brazil no improve from 2018 . That is my disappointment
We have in Brazil betters players than Brazil team. The money is the big problem. Tite too. Bad coach.
Footballing talent is no longer picked on the street. The days of the slum or favela footballer is over. Its gone. Talent is now farmed, it is grown, it is manufactured - in European youth academies. They produced Mbappe and Messi. How much top tier talent has Brazil produced in the last 20 years. Apart from Neymar and arguably Vinicius who else. Compare that to the endless conveyor belt of gifted players produced by France, Spain and Germany. Croatia had Modric one of the greatest midfielders of his generation. Brazil's midfield was led by a player from West Ham. The talent pool has dried up. Teams that dominate the game nowadays have well developed youth academies that cultivate players. Like in Agriculture you get more and better produce when you have a plan than when you pick fruit wild.
The coach complained about of not playing enough European team in 2018 and the coach never corrected it
Why did Martinelli not come on
Brazil never do enough 😪 in the middle of the park against Croatia 🇭🇷 🙄 simple
Maybe Brazilians didn't want 5 European winners in a row
Brazil danced too soon
Brazil needs better midfielders.
brazilian footballers now simply earn too much until doubt their hunger for more glory ...
Argentina 🇦🇷⚽🔥
Just knock out France
out of Qatar world cup 👍✌️
i must admit they brazil never looked like wanted to beat croatia maybe brazil peaked to early
Simple... Arrogance!
Croatia were tactically beaten against Arg. Their coach Dalic is to blame, not the quality of the team, although some of them wanted to make a name for themselves instead of playing for team.
They changed their approach with Argentina and could never get back in. Croats were playing safe, foolish in my view.
The Brazil shot on goal was no more lucky than anyone elses shot on goal. Football is a game of skill, luck and mentality. Brazil and Arg are not entitled to win, seems like everyone felt Messi is entitled. Their goalie was as much a contributor to their win as Messi yet all we hear is messi this and messi that
Brazil got cocky, simple as. Neymar is the epitomy of braggadociousness
The trouble with Brazil is, they think they are better than they are. The goal celebration against Korea is a prime example. Imagine if England had done that, the press would have ripped them apart.
England usually have the cup won before a game is played.
@@michaelpower4372Doing the rounds aren’t we you gimp.
Mainly their usual arrogance... Brazil has always been the most overvalued selection in the world.
Speaking as a native of which country please ?
@@marcdaniels9079 doesn't really matter...
Its just facts, South American teams are usually cocky and arrogant for no reason... Especially Argentina and Brazil.
Meanwhile European teams are disciplined and cool-headed.
Discipline nearly always beats talent.
@@Ennui. Not this time.
@@elizabethcsicsery-ronay1633 hence why i said "nearly always"
Brazil list because of bad Coaching and poor defending!!.. had nothing to do with wingers and midfielders that’s an Excuse!! they lacked a sense of urgency and grit!!.. Brazil needs a coach like Jose Mourinho!!
He lost me with England 😂
Must be the South America climate. I think he said England were a good side.🤭🤣🤣
Clearly are you mong.
Football matches are not won on paper,they are won on the field of play.Relying on reputation and past do not count for anything.Once the World Cup begins past glories are meaningless.I have always been a Brazilian fan but I will say one thing to Brazil.Ignore the hype about being the favourite ,technical skill must be allied to teamwork and mental strength.Brazil seemed to be sorely lacking in that department.Neymar is not a leader,he is a prima donna.He simply does not understand that the team is bigger than any one player.In fact,Brazil might be better off if they started playing without him.My final thought is that if Brazil had conceded an early goal in their first game and had to come from behind and won,then perhaps we may have seen a different Brazil.The would have been forced to dig deep.The Brazil squad needs a sports psychologist.
The team was not balanced in the attack
The last 2 times Argentina won the world cup,there were lots of refereeing irregularities,but Messi did try 5 times so.. that's another story
In 2014 there was a scandalous penalty on Higuaín but nobody said anything cause it was an european team. 2014 and 2018 where perfect scenarios for conspirational pupeteers that "want Messi to win". I guess in 2018 Croatia was more marketable as a finalist than a traditional team.... And in 2022, even with the crazy and fate changing final game somehow people (mostly europeans) dare to be sure that it was all prepared for Argentima. It's ok, you keep trying to belittle Argentina. We keep enjoying the fact that Di Stefano, Maradona and Messi were born argentinians and that, alongside Brazil, we keep feeding your leagues with the footballers you just can't produce
the cat !
Can see neymar having a similar fate to maradona when he played in 94 USA. Basically being retired in disgrace one way or another.
Edit: Should have mentioned I was referring to him staying on for the north America world cup in 2026 and the similarity there.
They would have lost to Argentina if they had got past Croatia anyway.
they will beat argentina
just like in Copa America final.
@@gumdeo the copa America just got a lucky win nothing else) this argentinians team full of average players except messi and di Maria
They will go on to win 2026 WC
However you want to cut it, this really was a poor excuse for a Brazilian team........playing boring plodding football.
You don't win because of a perceived reputation.
Garbage players like Fred, Paqueta, Raphinha and even Richarlison (yes, he scored 3 goals, but never gets involved in play). Over reliance on Neymar, the most indisciplined "star" in World football.
As always english players Are overrated , to much foringh players Play in Primere
France ought to win. Overall the French are stronger.
That aged well.
it's karma
all that samba dancing after scoring
T
Arrogance and samba
I have heard this guy several times before on talksport,nothing new here.
Brazil had two half decent attackers injured,so "Brazil" hadn't anyone to replace two injured players .
This guy talks well and is a trans Atlantic "cool" press guy "but" "but" he hasn't a clue what so ever about football!
Did France win?
Anyone But Argentina!!! Allez Les Bleus!!!!!!
Vamos argentina!
Very unlucky Brazil..........should be in the final with England
The other team winning, I’d guess anyhow 🤷♂️
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@@chrisbennett6260 ?
@@williamsmith9315 just wondered what you meant bt the statement
the other team winning ,id guess anyhow
puzzerling care to elbarobate .understand your reasoning behind that statement
@@chrisbennett6260 it’s an answer to the question posed in the video title 👍
@@williamsmith9315 This guy gets it!
Spoken like a true Brazil Fanboy. South America is not Brazil Mr Vickery!
Spot on. His pro Brazil arrogance pre tournament has come crashing down. So quick to write Argentina off too.