great review. Just picked up an open box version 1 DF64V for $349, free shipping no tax. Been looking for a 64mm grinder to replace my NZ and couldn't pass it up for that price! Hopefully it'll have no issues and decent alignment.
Thanks for watching! That's a very good deal! If you get on as well with yours as I have mine, I think you'll be a fan. It's an impressive piece of kit, without even factoring the price!
Just got an open box DF64V V2 on sale from Miicoffee for $400 plus tax. It's seriously gorgeous and the burrs have been calibrated to perfection. Vanishingly low static mess and less than 0.005 gram retention using my closed system pharmaceutical scale after the scale was calibrated to within 1 milligram accuracy. No way did I ever think that was even remotely possible. Espresso shots are easily repeatable with a full bodied smoothness that holds up remarkably well with the milk drinks I enjoy throughout the day and on occasional weekend evenings served with a brandy snifter of warm Sambuca.
Thanks for your review. Have you ever experienced alignment issues with the burrs, or inconsistencies from switching between grinding for espresso and pour over? I'm having a hard time deciding between DF64V gen2 vs lagom casa.
I haven't experienced any issues with alignment, but I am still running the stock DLC burrs. I may change these at some point in future. The grinder does very well in switching brew method - even with some much more expensive grinders, it can take a shot going back to espresso for things to settle 100% to where they were before, but this is good as it probably gets in terms of returning to settings - helped by such low retention and a threaded collar system. I am really happy, almost 1 year on, with this Gen 1 DF64v - stacks up so well against many of the much more expensive grinders I have used.
Did you ever get the chance to play with the WPM ZP1 after previous video of the expo? It's a bit more expensive but it looks more premium than the df64v....probably doesn't translate to better coffee for home use though
@@kclifting no, I never did. From what I’ve seen of it, I’d just get the DF64v and save some money. The bellow system, while I haven’t any experience with it, is bigger and an unusual aesthetic. I actually don’t even need the bellows on the 64v retention is so low. The burr access is very fast, but I’m not often accessing them on these super low retention systems… I clean mine every once in a while. The grinder is bigger overall and not as aesthetically pleasing, IMO of course. Brushless motor on both. I can’t remember if the RPM dial is blue to be set to specific RPM’s or just a control wheel. When they opened it up it had the exact same DLC burrs. They’re probably made next door to each other. I think 64v got a lot right
No problem, thanks for watching! I haven't tried any of the 83mm grinders although, I hope at some point. I suppose a couple main differences may be the 64v not only being smaller but a more discreet aesthetic, and 64mm burr options and those being cheaper. I don't think you'd go wrong with either!
I have this grinder with ssp mp burrs for filter, not great for my micra which has a flat 9 bar I assume the grinds are so uniform the puck just breaks down half way. Burrs aside it’s a really good grinder with a few quirks, nice review!
@@aaronsmith3484 yes the MP’s are harder to use for espresso due to the lack of fines production, so are a lot less forgiving! Try the DLC’s or Cast Lab Sweet! thanks for the comment!
I got a defective df64 gen 2. It had a lot of problems. I had to return it, and they charged me shipping and restocking fee. Even though it was obviously broken. I am desperately trying to figure out what to get. I was looking at this and the 078s.
Well, in short I prefer the DF64v. An extension to that would be - I find the workflow slightly easier (although the Timemore is still excellent, the lid and knocker are a couple more slightly fiddly steps to take) the RPM adjust is much easier and concise to use and out of the box on both, I prefer the taste of the DF64v.
I noticed a whining noise after you ground for filter. my 64v does this every time on coarse settings and I there is a noticeable resistance when turning it back to espresso afterwards. does yours do the same? also do you get a lot of stalling at 600 rpm?
@@gr3g0r5 hey thanks for the comment. The ‘whining’ noise is usually a bean stuck within the burr. I don’t ever experience any notable resistance when turning back to espresso - are your threads greased up and the bearing present? Of course, there’s a little resistance going finer as there would be with any grinder in pushing the burr closer and creating more tension in the system to do so. ie. There’s an ever so slightly ‘heavier’ feel moving finer compared with moving coarser. I haven’t had any stalling with the grinder, even using light roasts at 600rpm for espresso (I never run at this for espresso in reality) but I had no problems. I do have a video on the stalling issue, or trying to create the stalling, here on my RUclips channel which you can check out. I’m in UK running 230v and slow feeder disc.
@@jackowens_ ok interesting. The heavier feeling is only when a boulder is stuck in the burrs. Usually I grind it out by setting it finer. It's just a bit unusual for me because it gets quite loud when I do that and my previous flat burr grinder didn't do anything similar. Interesting on stalling. Maybe the slow feeder really helps; mine didn't come with it. It's also the 240v version. I'm still happy with it though. I use it for filter and espresso every day and changing between the two works much better than I thought.
@@gr3g0r5 that makes sense on the heavier feeling - if there is a bean stuck, it will stop the burrs from closing in as easily. I think the burr geometry has something to do with the trapped beans. The slow feeder is good - I’ve used extensively with it installed and without. I find it helps shot time consistency, it becomes a remarkably stable grinder. It’s a great grinder and I also find it moves between settings pretty much as easily as anything I’ve used.
I haven’t found that to be the case with the chute, the magnets are quite strong and it remains secure. I have negated the bellows (perhaps you are meaning these rather than the chute?) as I find tapping the top is suffice to clear out any held grinds, but mine seem fairly secure when placed on top.
The Gen 2 is solid. A few features less than the DF64v, and of course a little less cost. The main one’s I see are the different aesthetic, the brushless DC motor (quiet) with RPM control, and the removable chute is really nice! Adjustment mechanism I believe is different and the 64v comes with a slow feeder disc. I don’t think you’ll go wrong with either. Don’t forget to use the discount code in the description👍🏻☕️
I get so much more retention than you, all behind the declumper even with rdt and bellows. I have to pull off the magnetic shoot and flick the declumper every time. I'm wondering why I have that issue and you don't?
That’s interesting. I don’t seem to have the problem you do, and I’m not sure why. My workflow is always 2 sprays RDT from the supplied bottle and I get zero retention without even using the bellows - I just pat the grinder on top as per the video. Apparently there is an antistatic mod coming, an ION generator for the chute.
Hey, thanks for the comment! I think you will really enjoy the grinder, it hasn't left my worktop since it arrived - which burrs did you go for and what grinder are you moving from? I intend to get round to a review of the machine sometime soon too ☺
@@jackowens_ I had a Rancilio Rocky for many years. Sold it and got a K-Max about 18 months ago. After reading about and testing slow feeding a grinder, it kind of took away from the joy of hand grinding, especially for espresso. So I’m really looking forward to the 64V. Just got the DLC burrs. Want to give them a try before changing anything.
@@mryoyo7741 not all that often when grinding for espresso - I seem to keep it at 12-1400 rpm. When moving to filter I usually knock it down to about 800rpm… but as mentioned in the video, I haven’t conducted enough testing to evaluate if it is making much difference .
I guess I’ll find out on the longevity. Yes, there are many distibutors to purchase from, mostly depending where you are located. Thanks for the comment!
The iPhone is made in China as well. Just saying something is made in China isn't an indicator of quality anymore. Do some research on the product itself please
great review. Just picked up an open box version 1 DF64V for $349, free shipping no tax. Been looking for a 64mm grinder to replace my NZ and couldn't pass it up for that price! Hopefully it'll have no issues and decent alignment.
Thanks for watching! That's a very good deal! If you get on as well with yours as I have mine, I think you'll be a fan. It's an impressive piece of kit, without even factoring the price!
Just got an open box DF64V V2 on sale from Miicoffee for $400 plus tax. It's seriously gorgeous and the burrs have been calibrated to perfection. Vanishingly low static mess and less than 0.005 gram retention using my closed system pharmaceutical scale after the scale was calibrated to within 1 milligram accuracy. No way did I ever think that was even remotely possible. Espresso shots are easily repeatable with a full bodied smoothness that holds up remarkably well with the milk drinks I enjoy throughout the day and on occasional weekend evenings served with a brandy snifter of warm Sambuca.
@@Woofy-tm8si congrats! For sure, impressive unit! Enjoy!
Thanks for your review. Have you ever experienced alignment issues with the burrs, or inconsistencies from switching between grinding for espresso and pour over? I'm having a hard time deciding between DF64V gen2 vs lagom casa.
I haven't experienced any issues with alignment, but I am still running the stock DLC burrs. I may change these at some point in future. The grinder does very well in switching brew method - even with some much more expensive grinders, it can take a shot going back to espresso for things to settle 100% to where they were before, but this is good as it probably gets in terms of returning to settings - helped by such low retention and a threaded collar system. I am really happy, almost 1 year on, with this Gen 1 DF64v - stacks up so well against many of the much more expensive grinders I have used.
@jackowens_ thanks you!
Did you ever get the chance to play with the WPM ZP1 after previous video of the expo? It's a bit more expensive but it looks more premium than the df64v....probably doesn't translate to better coffee for home use though
@@kclifting no, I never did. From what I’ve seen of it, I’d just get the DF64v and save some money. The bellow system, while I haven’t any experience with it, is bigger and an unusual aesthetic. I actually don’t even need the bellows on the 64v retention is so low. The burr access is very fast, but I’m not often accessing them on these super low retention systems… I clean mine every once in a while. The grinder is bigger overall and not as aesthetically pleasing, IMO of course. Brushless motor on both. I can’t remember if the RPM dial is blue to be set to specific RPM’s or just a control wheel. When they opened it up it had the exact same DLC burrs. They’re probably made next door to each other. I think 64v got a lot right
@@jackowens_ thank you... I think you've convinced me to get the DF64V 😂
Great video Jack!! Keep it up.
Thanks! 🙌🏻🙏🏻
Thanks for the review! I'm caught between this and the DF83V 😬
No problem, thanks for watching! I haven't tried any of the 83mm grinders although, I hope at some point. I suppose a couple main differences may be the 64v not only being smaller but a more discreet aesthetic, and 64mm burr options and those being cheaper. I don't think you'd go wrong with either!
@@AnotherAnonymousMan which did you end up going for?
I have this grinder with ssp mp burrs for filter, not great for my micra which has a flat 9 bar I assume the grinds are so uniform the puck just breaks down half way. Burrs aside it’s a really good grinder with a few quirks, nice review!
@@aaronsmith3484 yes the MP’s are harder to use for espresso due to the lack of fines production, so are a lot less forgiving! Try the DLC’s or Cast Lab Sweet! thanks for the comment!
I got a defective df64 gen 2. It had a lot of problems. I had to return it, and they charged me shipping and restocking fee. Even though it was obviously broken. I am desperately trying to figure out what to get. I was looking at this and the 078s.
That’s really unfortunate. I’ve got both, and I have a review on my channel of the 078s, so let me know if you have any questions! 👍🏻
There is a Gen 2 out now
There is. They closed the RPM range down to 800 as a minimum vs 600 on the Gen 1 and added an ionizer in a single piece chute.
How do you feel about it compared to the Timemore you tested?
Well, in short I prefer the DF64v. An extension to that would be - I find the workflow slightly easier (although the Timemore is still excellent, the lid and knocker are a couple more slightly fiddly steps to take) the RPM adjust is much easier and concise to use and out of the box on both, I prefer the taste of the DF64v.
I noticed a whining noise after you ground for filter. my 64v does this every time on coarse settings and I there is a noticeable resistance when turning it back to espresso afterwards. does yours do the same? also do you get a lot of stalling at 600 rpm?
@@gr3g0r5 hey thanks for the comment. The ‘whining’ noise is usually a bean stuck within the burr. I don’t ever experience any notable resistance when turning back to espresso - are your threads greased up and the bearing present? Of course, there’s a little resistance going finer as there would be with any grinder in pushing the burr closer and creating more tension in the system to do so. ie. There’s an ever so slightly ‘heavier’ feel moving finer compared with moving coarser. I haven’t had any stalling with the grinder, even using light roasts at 600rpm for espresso (I never run at this for espresso in reality) but I had no problems. I do have a video on the stalling issue, or trying to create the stalling, here on my RUclips channel which you can check out. I’m in UK running 230v and slow feeder disc.
@@jackowens_ ok interesting. The heavier feeling is only when a boulder is stuck in the burrs. Usually I grind it out by setting it finer. It's just a bit unusual for me because it gets quite loud when I do that and my previous flat burr grinder didn't do anything similar.
Interesting on stalling. Maybe the slow feeder really helps; mine didn't come with it. It's also the 240v version.
I'm still happy with it though. I use it for filter and espresso every day and changing between the two works much better than I thought.
@@gr3g0r5 that makes sense on the heavier feeling - if there is a bean stuck, it will stop the burrs from closing in as easily. I think the burr geometry has something to do with the trapped beans. The slow feeder is good - I’ve used extensively with it installed and without. I find it helps shot time consistency, it becomes a remarkably stable grinder. It’s a great grinder and I also find it moves between settings pretty much as easily as anything I’ve used.
We love ours. If Apple made a grinder this would be pretty close
Totally! Are you running the stock DLC burrs?
Yes. Got the silver model. I would say it’s the most underrated best bang for buck grinder out there
@@ScandinavianalpscoffeeroastersI feel the same. It really punches above it’s weight!
One thing you don't mention is that the rubber chute and wood cap are very loose and easy to knock off. It gets annoying in the workflow
I haven’t found that to be the case with the chute, the magnets are quite strong and it remains secure. I have negated the bellows (perhaps you are meaning these rather than the chute?) as I find tapping the top is suffice to clear out any held grinds, but mine seem fairly secure when placed on top.
Still can't decide which grinder to get. The DF64V or DF64 Gen 2? Maybe you have an insight?
The Gen 2 is solid. A few features less than the DF64v, and of course a little less cost. The main one’s I see are the different aesthetic, the brushless DC motor (quiet) with RPM control, and the removable chute is really nice! Adjustment mechanism I believe is different and the 64v comes with a slow feeder disc. I don’t think you’ll go wrong with either. Don’t forget to use the discount code in the description👍🏻☕️
@@jackowens_ awesome insight! Definitely helped with my decision. :) Thank you!
@@drwfrnndo glad it could help you 👍🏻
I get so much more retention than you, all behind the declumper even with rdt and bellows. I have to pull off the magnetic shoot and flick the declumper every time. I'm wondering why I have that issue and you don't?
That’s interesting. I don’t seem to have the problem you do, and I’m not sure why. My workflow is always 2 sprays RDT from the supplied bottle and I get zero retention without even using the bellows - I just pat the grinder on top as per the video. Apparently there is an antistatic mod coming, an ION generator for the chute.
@@jackowens_ weird, if slightly frustrating. I use a couple of sprays too. I'll look out for the antistatic mod, good to hear.
Thanks. Great review. Makes me feel good about having one on order. Very jealous of your espresso machine. 😉
Hey, thanks for the comment! I think you will really enjoy the grinder, it hasn't left my worktop since it arrived - which burrs did you go for and what grinder are you moving from? I intend to get round to a review of the machine sometime soon too ☺
@@jackowens_ I had a Rancilio Rocky for many years. Sold it and got a K-Max about 18 months ago. After reading about and testing slow feeding a grinder, it kind of took away from the joy of hand grinding, especially for espresso. So I’m really looking forward to the 64V. Just got the DLC burrs. Want to give them a try before changing anything.
@@propertwbawesome! Yes, as mentioned in the video about their performance in the cup, I would give the DLC’s a go first- they have been very solid!
Do you change rpm more frequently? Thanks
@@mryoyo7741 not all that often when grinding for espresso - I seem to keep it at 12-1400 rpm. When moving to filter I usually knock it down to about 800rpm… but as mentioned in the video, I haven’t conducted enough testing to evaluate if it is making much difference .
Made in China not sure how the longevity on this is going to be. Miicoffee is cheaper I believe also.
I guess I’ll find out on the longevity. Yes, there are many distibutors to purchase from, mostly depending where you are located. Thanks for the comment!
The iPhone is made in China as well. Just saying something is made in China isn't an indicator of quality anymore. Do some research on the product itself please