I think having someone - who is constantly uploading actual consumable SF content - translating some important videos for us so we would have an idea of what is going on in motherland of SF would be great.
I enjoyed the translation. Its nice to get the players perspective from someone who understands both the language and the game, and is able to add their own take as well.
I agree with the other comments. You already put out great content and doing translations once in awhile are always welcome, especially when done right. Keep it coming
I think the thing about ed is a lot of new tech was found in season two. The level two dream combo stuff. It’s pretty rare that new tech is found months after release like this.
It's great getting translations to know how other regions feel and where their bias currently sits. The only downside was them skipping or barely commenting on a few characters but of course that's not down to you. Great stuff - Recently returned to the game after a long break and your other drill vids have been invaluable on my climb and sit in a playlist that I revisist every week.
I think it's very nice to having a content like this as I tried to watch many videos from Japanese players but couldn't totally catch the ideas. It'd be awesome you keep it up. 💖
It is great to see this kind of videos Chris, if you want to, it'd be great to keep seeing this type of videos. I respect a lot mago, he sitcks with Juri and plays really solid. I'd love if he gave a mostly objective tier list and not so much from the Juri perspective and those characters he struggles with because I do remember translated vids where he explicitly said he struggles against Ed and bison, so knowing how great of a player he is; at least I personally would love a more objective tier list.
Yes id appreciate more of these when they drop. Your sf6 content is already goated but occasional translation videos (ones you think are worth/important like this) every once in a while would be good. Bridging the language barrier in the fgc is huge tech/theory wise.
Love love love these kind of videos. With FGCTranslated shutting down, it’s so rare we get the opinion of the Japanese Pros. Who knows, maybe down the line this could lead to interviews?
This was really cool and a good idea, I would love to see you take some interesting videos from the Japanese FGC and translate the stuff you find most valuable and worth sharing with us, cool to get a little window into their world, thank you for this bro!
I am not even a Luke main but putting him at C is a crime, in the right hands he is a beast, I would put him at low A, there is a reason why there are alot of Lukes at tournaments. Thanks for the translation you did an awesome job! :)
Thanks for the translation! 2:28 My thoughts exactly. It's fine to say he's not top tier or not super strong, but with the tools you mentioned there's absolutely no shot he's bottom 1. Gotta agree with some other comments saying this placement is probably savvy engagement bait by Mago :)
Do whatever gets views+ you enjoy. Don't worry about being a culture vulture as you said it, there's vids that translate fgc japan vids but only text, spoken+camera is way cooler than that gg nice vid
I’m cracking tf up about the Terry opinions bc it seemed like everyone thought he was OP over a week ago 😆 This tier list seems accurate, but I’d put Terry at least at a C…you have to learn the ranges and juggle factor of his special moves to maximize him.
>you have to learn the ranges and juggle factor of his special moves to maximize him. Even mago admit he can't master the pixel accuracy requirements of terry move
Thanks for the awesome video, Chris_F. 💪👑 At first, I thought it was a funny list. But after thinking about it more, I almost completely agree with the people in the S and A tiers.🤔🙂
Brother. A character that has the folowing tools: fireball drive rush throw loops( his is on the weaker end tho) DP and reversal Low forward drive rush CANT BE LOW TIER@computervision557
@@azizkash286 I have the same opinions as yours until last day, sigh Simply put his normal sucks, very bad >fireball drive rush This tool almost do not give you any advantage because your earn 0 plus frame after you close the range, what make this worse is every normals of terry is minus. Almost no one do this fireball drive rush with terry, because in most of the cases this is just a waste of resources
I understand the fear about becoming a content vulture but there is a dearth of content with regards to translating Japanese ideas so it's pretty valuable since they're such a strong region. Maybe as a middle ground you could focus on doing occasional videos which translates their thoughts about strategy and metagame but avoid translating kind of more content-like stuff (funny videos, etc).
Your insight + language would extremely be beneficial to bridging audiences together. FGC Translated is awesome but knowing that you're mechanically and competitively sound helps provide a more technical interpretation. I could see how it can look like following trendy discussions.Maybe you can balance that out by applying translation outside of contemporary fgc discourse - like other players commentary, notable commentary you found, historical content. Maybe users can submit clips/content asking you for additional insight or clarification outside of google translate. Personally, I don't think all that above is immediately necessary. It's valuable enough to have someone more to translate japanese fgc for us, let alone one who has demonstrated higher level gameplay. I hope whatever path you might consider will be rewarding.
Terry as worst seems way off. He reliably does good damage off of anything and can effectively maintain pressure afterwards. He has access to every valuable tool SF6 offers. Additionally, he has a few oddball properties that offer some quirky advantages in certain matchups. What else would he need?
Simply put this character is bad at punish counter, he need lots of resource to deal decent damage and corner with his medium attack, other characters/shoto can do the same thing better than him with less resource, higher damage A rough example, I need 2~3 chances to end the game with other shoto, but with terry I may need 4~6 chances to end the game because this character is resource hungry and his reward is not very good, most of his damage come from the DRC of his medium attack, that means I need 4 drive bars to access his decent corner carry combo every time even there is a good chance for whiff punish(5HK too slow, 2MP too short, 2MK is the go to button in most of the cases) By the way, his 2MK is very susceptible to whiff punished
Not only that, his shimmy and throw loop ability is poor too, after you spend 4 bars of drive gauge, push your rival to the corner, you don't have good shimmy ability to help you deal high damage. You can do it, but you need better guess and skills, that mean your success rate is lower I have a strong feeling that capcom do not want terry be popular in sf, that is why they make him weaker than Ryu/Luke and very complicated to play, they want to make sure terry never ever to show up in any big tournaments and put lot of efforts to get this done
Terry needs an extreme damage buff, in KOF his Raw damage hits like a truck similar to SF6 Ryu, here Ken who doesn't even do as much Raw damage as Ryu does twice meterless damage with half the time and effort than terry does with metered damage.
seeing tierlists that have anything below b in this game is absolutely wild to me. there is no way anyone can seriously say that there is a single truely bad character in this game. and seeing how fast people change their minds drastically, because of tiny new discovered things or slight buffs/nerfs, proves my point. atleast my understanding of the letters is, that c-tier and below means incomplete, not solo functioning characters, with actually horrible and maybe even unplayable matchups. s-tier is maybe the beginning of really problematic characters that often need nerfs, while s minus-tier to a- should be the ultimate goal for every single character. but when people put even e-tiers in a overall kinda balanced game like sf6, it appears to me that they either don't care, or don't know what bad means. like no way we have characters in this game that are as bad as ganon in smash ultimate or even like almost half of the cast up to c tier, that has unplayable matchups. idk, maybe kuma/panda in tekken 7 and zangief last seasons in sfv were like c-tier or slightly worse...
@@Chris_F well, if you go down to c-tier, what does this letter mean and how big are gaps between tiers in your opinion? seeing idom in tournament finals with "c-tier" manon really is something else... can a real c-tier truely win consistently against every character in the game at the highest level? especially when there are real s-tiers, this is kinda crazy. i mean i can be wrong but then again, how much better is s compared to c? many pros share my point of view, but yeah... we have 2 factions. the one says every character is relatively close to each other and the other says, there are really good and bad characters... and ultimately, it seems like we also have to look separately for tournament play and ranked, or rather consistency in short sets and consistency long term, or just in long sets. maybe a good topic for a new video
I dont know why people keep thinking Dhalsim is a keep out run away character all the people that do well with him use him as a rushdown mix heavy character, i noticed that i had a lot more success with him when i play him aggressively.
7:49 I play Ken and Guile is the only one that I don't even know what to do against. How is he bad against Ken? What do I do against boomboomboom, flashkick, DR knee? 😅
Except for Terry at bottom, it really makes sense. I don't think Terry is at the top, but it is at least better than Marisa, cause mago got 2200 Mr with him and top players agree this is impossible with Marisa
Why people believe that Cammy is S tier is beyond me. However, I've seen that while she does well in online tournaments, she truly lacks consistency when it comes to large offline tournaments. Punk is the only cammy player that has consistently performed well in both online and offline tournaments.
Definitely liked this video style from You. Maybe I’m not skilled enough to understand them but a lot of your recent videos seemed kinda repetitive with the delay jab techniques so I haven’t really been watching. Dig your content overall though and happy to see it on my timeline
Glad you liked it! Sorry you felt that I did too many delayed jab videos. To be fair, I haven’t released a full length video on that topic in over 2 months so maybe you missed my recent videos
@@Chris_F yeah could be, I’ll check your channel and see what I missed 🙏🏼. Nothing to apologize for, it’s a hella useful technique with a lot of applications, I just am excited to learn other tech from you as well is all. You’ve been super helpful to me in my journey so thanks a bunch. I hope my initial comment didn’t come off too harsh
Marisa got shafted during season 2 for no reason, whats worse is almost all characters got fixed and marisa got nothing. She struggling because she has to force her way in with only one way to do it which is gladius.
@@YMan-zo5kg disagree I played him in ranked and he was so busted I felt dirty and went back to Manon 😂. Rashid is 100% A tier without lv 2. With lv 2 he's the best character in the game
@@markmessi9020 so you had Manon in your actual rank then played rashid in a new lower rank and felt broken. Obviously had to be the character and not the new low rank🤔
Terry is for certain not the worst character in the game . Pro gamer or Japanese high level player or what ever that is crazy talk . I don't think he great but he for certain not the worst character in the game .
This character has too many issues, he remind me Dan, a character crafted with a lot of love but the team want him to be weak, the intentions are so obvious after you try to optimize terry, he is so weak
I love Mago and ofc I acknowledge the fact his opinion matters and mine doesn't. But I think he shmoking crack putting Terry at the very bottom. I dont think he is top tier but hell if I ever say he is the worst character in the game when characters like Lilly, Jamie and Sim exist. Should be at the very top of C tier just after Manon. But hey, Discourse is discourse I guess :/
I think the problem with Terry is none of his supposed gimmick worked out. The HP fireball setup may look strong, but with such a telegraphed attack you are asking to be perfect parried and thrown into the corner. His burn knuckle may be plus, but again such telegraphed attack is begging to be perfect parried. His lane switch is pointless. His crack shoot isn't anti-air or overhead. His power charge is so hard to determine its plus frames and the delayed combo is a pain in the butt. None of his normals are plus and his HP is horrendous. To a pro, this is a character that has nothing to work with. He may not be out-right bad, but he excels at nothing.
I don't believe Terry is the worst character in the game, far from it, but I'm glad he's not top tier. I always hoped for Terry to be mid or higher mid.
The best way to figure out who are the strongest characters is to look at the most stacked tournaments and what characters are reaching top 8 and up. Everything else is 🧢
He can do everything, but almot none of them are the best, most of his toolkits either under average or just average The team want this character be a weak character for sure, his normal suck Let us wait for Mai, if Mai is as weak as terry, we may open a new tier list, "guest tier"
@@eatdahl Either he is cheating or you do not know how to deal with his gimmick Some tips His 2MK TC is not safe, you can jab him out after you block his second hit(2MK->2HK), if he use drive rush cancel after second hit, you can try SA1(not sure, haven't tested, ex dp always work) His 5MP->5HP TC is not safe, you can parry or DI after his first hit, but a good terry player would try to bait your DI/Parry after he find out you know how to counter it His ex fireball do not give him enough of plus frame, even he rush behind the fireball he cannot gain a chance of oki Every buttons of terry are minus, his close range pressure are bad His 5MP->5HP cannot be punished if he spaced it well, do not smash your 2MP after that because you will fall into spacing trap if that terry is good Terry do not have a way to counter bison 2HK if you space it well, unless he has SA1
@@eatdahl More tips His burn knuckle need pixel levels spacing to earn plus frame, good terry player will not throw it out often, because it is almost impossible to earn plus frame consitently So what do they do? They would put fireball then BB, but this make it easy to predict, you can prefer perfect parry this move, if you have more confidence you can even use SA3 to counter it Another tips is his round wave pressure when you are down(they use this after DP in the corner), this move is very easy to perfect parry. A good terry may use light fireball to bait your parry, this is a mind game but you have the advantages, because one wrong guess of terry he either get thrown into the corner or get a big punish After you know how to deal with terry gimmicks, you will find out he is a very weak character
@@eatdahl One more tip, if burn knuckle has plus frame, screen will shake, you could try to hit back if the screen do not shake, but beware some good terry player will press on the parry button after they know they fail to earn plus frame Another tip is his crack shoot, heavy one is -1 after block, light and medium are -3, if they do not space it well, they may fall in the throw range after you block it, good terry player will not throw this out frequently, because it is stupid to do that Terry 5HP is very bad at neutral, almost every big combo of terry need to rely on drive rush cancel, if he do not use DRC, most of his long medium attack can do is poking. More than that, he need to spend one more bar after drive rush cancel if he want to access decent corner carry combo. He is a resource hungry character after you know how to deal with his gimmick
You can always try to partner with the japanese players like Daigo/Tokido/Mago to help make translated videos for their channel while also advertising your own there (you'd have to negotiate those terms with them). I think that's a good compromise so that you don't "vulture" their content but still bring their discussion into the western community while not sacrificing your own discoverability.
Bro I swear terry is not that bad bro I swear bro lend me some money to put it on terry stocks while it is low trust me bro I will double your investment
@@Chris_F in that case dear business partner we can ensure you at least %67.1 increase of value in your portfolio (calculations made without not considering taxes). In addition if you are able to provide a video of what can be combined with crackshoot to make a safe block string (or with the heavy projectile) the percentage increases to 86.2
@@Chris_F Ed has yet to win any major tournaments. For almost 4 months Ed was considered one of the worst characters in the game, suddenly Momochi discovers the dsync combo, people lose their minds saying the character is S tier.
Just last night I spent a couple of hours playing Terry (MR 1600) and crying in frustration for how weak he is compared to the other shotos. And that's when it remembered what I thought on day one: why take a great character and turn it into a worse version of Ken/Ryu/Akuma? Terry is NOT a shoto in any of his most iconic versions. Funny how the general impression when the first of Terry's teasers came out was "CAPCOM made Terry with a lot of love". He almost feels like a joke character. Dan was WAY better in SF5.
MIght be too early, however I don't think terry has much potential to explore, he do not have SA2 like ed or rashid, not to mention ed buttons and special are very good in S1 too for mid-range Terry is fairly good for those players who do not know how to deal with his gimmicks, like 2MK TC, 5MP TC, fireball drive rush etc After they know how to deal with them, you begin to find out how weak his normals are
Terry is a combo heavy character. He has special moves that cancel into special moves. He also has a fast ground fireball that can extend a combo when in midscreen so you do not need to put your assailant in the corner to get extended combos with Terrry ; you can actually use that fast fireball as a combo extender to combo INTO the corner from midscreen. So far only Kintyo-ru is doing this combo extender with Terry. Even Punk and other top Terry's dont know this combo so its not surprising that they find him weak. Terry is Top 6. But you need to know his optimal combos and extenders to use him well.
@@computervision557 You are simply proving my point. Terry has been DELIBERATELY given subpar normals [short range/no plus on block] BECAUSE his combos are so crazy. Even Punk admits that he cannot remember all Terry's combos. Terry can use a punish counter from midscreen to combo INTO the corner . From a punish counter both his shoulder tackle into Crack shoot can link into fast ground fireball that pushes back the opponent into the corner. If you can't do this combo [so far only Kintyo-ru can execute this] then you haven't fully optimized Terry.
Marisa has combo can erase 8000 of hp, do this make her strong? No Problem is not the combo, many of the characters have decent combo in this game, a great character do not need 100 combos to make him/her great. They just need a few effective, optimal, stable combo for most of the cases, just like ken, akuma, ed, aki, zangief etc. In high level fight, your normals is the key to help you win the neutral game and give you great oki, remember that your chances of landing the combos come from winning neutral and guess it right from the oki, not from those gimmicks.
Terry has so many combos, and everyone of them could be the best answer for very specific case, this is not a good sign for a strong character. Many strong character can have optimal results with just a few combos, and they have much better normals to help they land the combos. Terry is strong whenever your rivals do not know how to deal with his gimmicks, but after they know it, you will find out this character is so weak compare with other shoto, the worst shoto in the game, he is so weak
@computervision557 A gimmick is something that only activates under special conditions and hence is not RELIABLE. Jamie's drinks are gimmicks. Terry's combos on the other hand are ALWAYS ACCESSIBLE. Terry has been nerfed in the neutral and augmented in combos.What this means is that other characters can land smaller combos easier than Terry. However, Terry's combos can be EXTENDED much longer than the other characters since he can special cancel one special move into another. It simply means that Terry must be played differently than other characters. He has a different gameplan. This is not a gimmick because unlike Jamie, Terry ALWAYS has access to his combos.
Terry may not be top 10 but him being worse then Manon, Liliy, Honda??? He is mid but most important fun character in contrast to Juri which is pretty boring.
juri is boring because the only thing she has is the ability of walking behind her fireball. her only way of getting decent-good damage is using her heavy punch normals. juri doesnt have insanely good normals that ed has, juri doesnt have insanely good mixup game that cammy has, juri doesnt have the insane damage that bison has, juri doesnt have the insanely easy damage that ryu, ken, zangief, and luke have, and she DEFINITELY does not have tbe burnout pressure that aki has. juri should be in D tier on this list.
Hard to see Bison in top 3 without a DP. Level 1 and 3 are 10 frames and that means meaty lights can block in time. Level 2 has 20+ frame startup so only works to blow up a very limited set up moves. Hits like a truck though.
Brother bison's strengths just make his weaknesses irrelevant. Bison plays the meta soo well and suffocates characters with his braindead offense and specials. He is such a stupid easy gorilla character that only belongs in top tier
This is the most stale meta in esports history. Same exact abusable strats, characters for 2 years, simply unacceptable in the 21st century. The balance team at Capcom is doing nothing on purpose so they can still have a job 5 years down the line instead of fixing the game right now.
that's great that people don't want to be content vultures but nowadays everything is so damn individualized unless you're watching on the pro players channel you have no idea what's going on on the other side of the rock
I think having someone - who is constantly uploading actual consumable SF content - translating some important videos for us so we would have an idea of what is going on in motherland of SF would be great.
FGC Translated was that person. Translated for years.
Last I checked though, person's been MIA for quite some time. I think
This!
@@Un1234l FGC translated was notoriously innacurate though.
Thanks for this comment! I’m going to put some serious thought into how I can make more videos like this is a respectful, original way
Translations are helpful and you're doing it the right way, I'd say.
Thanks! I’ll try to do more of these, they’re pretty fun to make
I enjoyed the translation. Its nice to get the players perspective from someone who understands both the language and the game, and is able to add their own take as well.
Thanks! I’m going to think of some other ideas I can do
I agree with the other comments. You already put out great content and doing translations once in awhile are always welcome, especially when done right. Keep it coming
Noted!
I think the thing about ed is a lot of new tech was found in season two. The level two dream combo stuff. It’s pretty rare that new tech is found months after release like this.
It's great getting translations to know how other regions feel and where their bias currently sits. The only downside was them skipping or barely commenting on a few characters but of course that's not down to you. Great stuff - Recently returned to the game after a long break and your other drill vids have been invaluable on my climb and sit in a playlist that I revisist every week.
Great to have you back!
I think it's very nice to having a content like this as I tried to watch many videos from Japanese players but couldn't totally catch the ideas. It'd be awesome you keep it up. 💖
Thank you so much! Def putting out more of these (let me know if there are any in particular you’d like to see!)
I remember how Ed was 'umplayabley bad' when he came out so these things are balls
This is why I don't buy the low placements of Terry. It took awhile for Rashid to catch on too, and now he's considered cheap AF lol
@@McMeatBag aye, I think we're struggling to adjust to an obserdly well balanced game. People are weird about balance
It is great to see this kind of videos Chris, if you want to, it'd be great to keep seeing this type of videos.
I respect a lot mago, he sitcks with Juri and plays really solid. I'd love if he gave a mostly objective tier list and not so much from the Juri perspective and those characters he struggles with because I do remember translated vids where he explicitly said he struggles against Ed and bison, so knowing how great of a player he is; at least I personally would love a more objective tier list.
Thanks, will do!
chris! I love this translation stuff of yours, keep it up!!!
Thanks, will do!
Yes id appreciate more of these when they drop. Your sf6 content is already goated but occasional translation videos (ones you think are worth/important like this) every once in a while would be good. Bridging the language barrier in the fgc is huge tech/theory wise.
Thank you so much! I’ll think of more to do
Love love love these kind of videos. With FGCTranslated shutting down, it’s so rare we get the opinion of the Japanese Pros. Who knows, maybe down the line this could lead to interviews?
Maybe it could! What happened to FGC translated anyway? Did he just get hired directly by nemo and friends?
Nice one! These kinds of vids feel like they would be more prep/work than the final product shows.
Lots of note-taking before for sure
This was really cool and a good idea, I would love to see you take some interesting videos from the Japanese FGC and translate the stuff you find most valuable and worth sharing with us, cool to get a little window into their world, thank you for this bro!
Will do! Thanks bro!
Appreciate the translation Chris!
I am not even a Luke main but putting him at C is a crime, in the right hands he is a beast, I would put him at low A, there is a reason why there are alot of Lukes at tournaments. Thanks for the translation you did an awesome job! :)
Thanks for the translation!
2:28 My thoughts exactly. It's fine to say he's not top tier or not super strong, but with the tools you mentioned there's absolutely no shot he's bottom 1. Gotta agree with some other comments saying this placement is probably savvy engagement bait by Mago :)
Thanks for watching!
Great video, thank you for translating!
No problem 😊
The fact that on season 2 Top 5 keep changing make this game feels balance and more fun!
Do whatever gets views+ you enjoy. Don't worry about being a culture vulture as you said it, there's vids that translate fgc japan vids but only text, spoken+camera is way cooler than that gg nice vid
Thank you! I’m going to try to keep up with these videos but in a respectful way
Your content is actually godlike im noticing haha just subbed
Thank you so much!
I’m cracking tf up about the Terry opinions bc it seemed like everyone thought he was OP over a week ago 😆
This tier list seems accurate, but I’d put Terry at least at a C…you have to learn the ranges and juggle factor of his special moves to maximize him.
>you have to learn the ranges and juggle factor of his special moves to maximize him.
Even mago admit he can't master the pixel accuracy requirements of terry move
To be fair I didn’t see any top players saying he’s OP week 1
I can’t see any reason why terry would be below b or c tier. The only thing I noticed him not really having is plus buttons without drive rush.
I liked this translation content, feel free to do it in a way that you enjoy it and i will enjoy it regardless.
Thanks for the awesome video, Chris_F. 💪👑
At first, I thought it was a funny list. But after thinking about it more, I almost completely agree with the people in the S and A tiers.🤔🙂
Thanks for watching! I think E tier is a bit of stretch
That E tier for Terry is blatantly provocative
After you try to optimize terry, you will find out why, this character is awful, I don't know which match up is a good match up for him
@@computervision557 Cap
@@computervision557
Terry is pretty damn good against Zangief
Brother. A character that has the folowing tools:
fireball drive rush
throw loops( his is on the weaker end tho)
DP and reversal
Low forward drive rush
CANT BE LOW TIER@computervision557
@@azizkash286 I have the same opinions as yours until last day, sigh
Simply put his normal sucks, very bad
>fireball drive rush
This tool almost do not give you any advantage because your earn 0 plus frame after you close the range, what make this worse is every normals of terry is minus. Almost no one do this fireball drive rush with terry, because in most of the cases this is just a waste of resources
This is a content creator tier list. It's meant to create reactions and impressions on social media.
Why do you think that? Why do people always assume it's not the person's actual opinion?
@@YunisRajabHe had Dhalsim and Lily in his top 8 during season 2 Akuma patch. He knows what he's doing.
I understand the fear about becoming a content vulture but there is a dearth of content with regards to translating Japanese ideas so it's pretty valuable since they're such a strong region. Maybe as a middle ground you could focus on doing occasional videos which translates their thoughts about strategy and metagame but avoid translating kind of more content-like stuff (funny videos, etc).
Great idea
Interesting tier list, expect Terry to climb a little bit higher, though... Maybe people are playing him too much like a shoto.
I really would love to watch more translated videos or tweets from Japanese players. But I definitely understand not wanting to be a content vulture.
It would be cool to get translations from the Japanese pros. Nothing is wrong with farming as long as you're adding your own narration and thoughts.
Thanks, going to work on this
you are the goat
Primera tier list que estoy bastante de acuerdo 👍
It's so cool you can speak Japanese. Definitely usesful in the FGC.
And in real life too LOL
Your insight + language would extremely be beneficial to bridging audiences together. FGC Translated is awesome but knowing that you're mechanically and competitively sound helps provide a more technical interpretation.
I could see how it can look like following trendy discussions.Maybe you can balance that out by applying translation outside of contemporary fgc discourse - like other players commentary, notable commentary you found, historical content. Maybe users can submit clips/content asking you for additional insight or clarification outside of google translate.
Personally, I don't think all that above is immediately necessary. It's valuable enough to have someone more to translate japanese fgc for us, let alone one who has demonstrated higher level gameplay. I hope whatever path you might consider will be rewarding.
Thanks bro, there are some great ideas here
Terry as worst seems way off.
He reliably does good damage off of anything and can effectively maintain pressure afterwards.
He has access to every valuable tool SF6 offers.
Additionally, he has a few oddball properties that offer some quirky advantages in certain matchups.
What else would he need?
Great normals
@computervision557 I think 5mp and 2mk are great. Many others may not be best of the best, but are very good
@@computervision557his crouch medium kick is pretty good
Simply put this character is bad at punish counter, he need lots of resource to deal decent damage and corner with his medium attack, other characters/shoto can do the same thing better than him with less resource, higher damage
A rough example, I need 2~3 chances to end the game with other shoto, but with terry I may need 4~6 chances to end the game because this character is resource hungry and his reward is not very good, most of his damage come from the DRC of his medium attack, that means I need 4 drive bars to access his decent corner carry combo every time even there is a good chance for whiff punish(5HK too slow, 2MP too short, 2MK is the go to button in most of the cases)
By the way, his 2MK is very susceptible to whiff punished
Not only that, his shimmy and throw loop ability is poor too, after you spend 4 bars of drive gauge, push your rival to the corner, you don't have good shimmy ability to help you deal high damage. You can do it, but you need better guess and skills, that mean your success rate is lower
I have a strong feeling that capcom do not want terry be popular in sf, that is why they make him weaker than Ryu/Luke and very complicated to play, they want to make sure terry never ever to show up in any big tournaments and put lot of efforts to get this done
i stopped playing sf lol - great job on the translations i watched this vid - great explaination
Thanks!
SF6 is fun, hope you come back
We just need a Criss Q and a Criss X and a Criss Y and we got the whole alphabet in the fgc
Terry needs an extreme damage buff, in KOF his Raw damage hits like a truck similar to SF6 Ryu, here Ken who doesn't even do as much Raw damage as Ryu does twice meterless damage with half the time and effort than terry does with metered damage.
Hey chris can we fuzzy guard against kens jinrai, i mean the 50 50 against the low kick and the overhead??
Yes
@@Chris_F thanks chris
Guile struggles vs Zangief 👀
seeing tierlists that have anything below b in this game is absolutely wild to me. there is no way anyone can seriously say that there is a single truely bad character in this game. and seeing how fast people change their minds drastically, because of tiny new discovered things or slight buffs/nerfs, proves my point.
atleast my understanding of the letters is, that c-tier and below means incomplete, not solo functioning characters, with actually horrible and maybe even unplayable matchups. s-tier is maybe the beginning of really problematic characters that often need nerfs, while s minus-tier to a- should be the ultimate goal for every single character.
but when people put even e-tiers in a overall kinda balanced game like sf6, it appears to me that they either don't care, or don't know what bad means. like no way we have characters in this game that are as bad as ganon in smash ultimate or even like almost half of the cast up to c tier, that has unplayable matchups. idk, maybe kuma/panda in tekken 7 and zangief last seasons in sfv were like c-tier or slightly worse...
At top level I can go as low as C but yeah E is really getting into content creator hype territory
@@Chris_F well, if you go down to c-tier, what does this letter mean and how big are gaps between tiers in your opinion? seeing idom in tournament finals with "c-tier" manon really is something else... can a real c-tier truely win consistently against every character in the game at the highest level? especially when there are real s-tiers, this is kinda crazy. i mean i can be wrong but then again, how much better is s compared to c? many pros share my point of view, but yeah... we have 2 factions. the one says every character is relatively close to each other and the other says, there are really good and bad characters...
and ultimately, it seems like we also have to look separately for tournament play and ranked, or rather consistency in short sets and consistency long term, or just in long sets. maybe a good topic for a new video
I don’t think it’s vulture at all to translate interesting japanese videos to your english speaking audience. thanks as always chris_f
Thank you!
Love this content. And yea, Terry is def too new, thats why he’s at the bottom. Let’s see where Terry ends up later…
Thank you
Welcome!
I dont know why people keep thinking Dhalsim is a keep out run away character all the people that do well with him use him as a rushdown mix heavy character, i noticed that i had a lot more success with him when i play him aggressively.
7:49 I play Ken and Guile is the only one that I don't even know what to do against. How is he bad against Ken? What do I do against boomboomboom, flashkick, DR knee? 😅
Dragon lash that bih and hit the target combo into "Comin' at ya?" That ken combo makes me roll my eyes everytime it hits me 🙄😂
These videos are good. I have no problem with them. But for your coaching sessions do you only accept pay PayPal payments?
Sorry I don’t discuss coaching details in RUclips video comments
As a chun player guile makes me hate existing
how can u put the new character in e tier and refuses to elaborate further cmon mago
Imagine my face making my translation notes when I realized he didn’t go into any detail
Except for Terry at bottom, it really makes sense. I don't think Terry is at the top, but it is at least better than Marisa, cause mago got 2200 Mr with him and top players agree this is impossible with Marisa
Why people believe that Cammy is S tier is beyond me. However, I've seen that while she does well in online tournaments, she truly lacks consistency when it comes to large offline tournaments. Punk is the only cammy player that has consistently performed well in both online and offline tournaments.
C'mon terry is not E-tier, he's middle of the pack
I’m curious to see where he ends up in a few weeks/months
Definitely liked this video style from
You. Maybe I’m not skilled enough to understand them but a lot of your recent videos seemed kinda repetitive with the delay jab techniques so I haven’t really been watching. Dig your content overall though and happy to see it on my timeline
Glad you liked it!
Sorry you felt that I did too many delayed jab videos. To be fair, I haven’t released a full length video on that topic in over 2 months so maybe you missed my recent videos
@@Chris_F yeah could be, I’ll check your channel and see what I missed 🙏🏼. Nothing to apologize for, it’s a hella useful technique with a lot of applications, I just am excited to learn other tech from you as well is all. You’ve been super helpful to me in my journey so thanks a bunch. I hope my initial comment didn’t come off too harsh
@JeremeSanders no worries at all bro it’s all chill
Tier list doesn't really matter to most players since only a few hundred players actually ever made it to top 200.
Marisa got shafted during season 2 for no reason, whats worse is almost all characters got fixed and marisa got nothing. She struggling because she has to force her way in with only one way to do it which is gladius.
Yeah she got hit bad
I think rashid akuma and ken should also be s tier
If rashid didn’t have level 2 he’d literally be a c tier character
@@YMan-zo5kg disagree I played him in ranked and he was so busted I felt dirty and went back to Manon 😂. Rashid is 100% A tier without lv 2. With lv 2 he's the best character in the game
@@markmessi9020 interesting
@@markmessi9020 so you had Manon in your actual rank then played rashid in a new lower rank and felt broken. Obviously had to be the character and not the new low rank🤔
Dragunov is S tier
So strong he made it into another games tier list🤣
Luke grouped with Manon, Sim, Ryu & Lily? Mago sr8 cappin
Terry is for certain not the worst character in the game .
Pro gamer or Japanese high level player or what ever that is crazy talk .
I don't think he great but he for certain not the worst character in the game .
This character has too many issues, he remind me Dan, a character crafted with a lot of love but the team want him to be weak, the intentions are so obvious after you try to optimize terry, he is so weak
Personally I don’t think he’s the worst in the game, but as Mago said, this is just his opinion
@@computervision557 There is still a contextual difference being weak and being the worst.
@@Chris_F I don't think he is the worst either, but agree he is worse than Ryu/Luke, that mean he is very close, or jut belongs to D or E tier
I love Mago and ofc I acknowledge the fact his opinion matters and mine doesn't.
But I think he shmoking crack putting Terry at the very bottom. I dont think he is top tier but hell if I ever say he is the worst character in the game when characters like Lilly, Jamie and Sim exist.
Should be at the very top of C tier just after Manon.
But hey, Discourse is discourse I guess :/
I think the problem with Terry is none of his supposed gimmick worked out. The HP fireball setup may look strong, but with such a telegraphed attack you are asking to be perfect parried and thrown into the corner. His burn knuckle may be plus, but again such telegraphed attack is begging to be perfect parried. His lane switch is pointless. His crack shoot isn't anti-air or overhead. His power charge is so hard to determine its plus frames and the delayed combo is a pain in the butt. None of his normals are plus and his HP is horrendous. To a pro, this is a character that has nothing to work with. He may not be out-right bad, but he excels at nothing.
You nailed it
Why would you want crack shoot to anti air fam 😂
They work pretty well for diamond players
@@shoaquem it does antiair but as a read not a reaction, it's more of an antiprojectile and burnout pressure tool from my point of view
@@KusanagiMotoko100 yeah I know it does just not reliably, that's why I asked "why would you want crack shoot to anti air". Man has a 5f godlike dp 🤣
I honestly see strong pay to win vibe. Aki to bison high tier. Terry had some very dumb tools so lets see.
I don't believe Terry is the worst character in the game, far from it, but I'm glad he's not top tier. I always hoped for Terry to be mid or higher mid.
Yea I don’t see how he’s not mid tier
The best way to figure out who are the strongest characters is to look at the most stacked tournaments and what characters are reaching top 8 and up. Everything else is 🧢
Awesome. Didn't know you could speak Japanese
Thx! Yeah I use Japanese for my job so yes I can speak it
@@Chris_F awesome. Well, hope you have a chance to visit Japan often / sometimes
@ぼーし-q5q I’ve lived here the past 7 years😂😂
@@Chris_F ha good one. Same as me then 😂
Why is terry not good. He even has a wake up reversal
He can do everything, but almot none of them are the best, most of his toolkits either under average or just average
The team want this character be a weak character for sure, his normal suck
Let us wait for Mai, if Mai is as weak as terry, we may open a new tier list, "guest tier"
@@computervision557 i just faced a terry and theres fuck all i could do. He countered everything i did and i used bison aswell
@@eatdahl Either he is cheating or you do not know how to deal with his gimmick
Some tips
His 2MK TC is not safe, you can jab him out after you block his second hit(2MK->2HK), if he use drive rush cancel after second hit, you can try SA1(not sure, haven't tested, ex dp always work)
His 5MP->5HP TC is not safe, you can parry or DI after his first hit, but a good terry player would try to bait your DI/Parry after he find out you know how to counter it
His ex fireball do not give him enough of plus frame, even he rush behind the fireball he cannot gain a chance of oki
Every buttons of terry are minus, his close range pressure are bad
His 5MP->5HP cannot be punished if he spaced it well, do not smash your 2MP after that because you will fall into spacing trap if that terry is good
Terry do not have a way to counter bison 2HK if you space it well, unless he has SA1
@@eatdahl More tips
His burn knuckle need pixel levels spacing to earn plus frame, good terry player will not throw it out often, because it is almost impossible to earn plus frame consitently
So what do they do? They would put fireball then BB, but this make it easy to predict, you can prefer perfect parry this move, if you have more confidence you can even use SA3 to counter it
Another tips is his round wave pressure when you are down(they use this after DP in the corner), this move is very easy to perfect parry. A good terry may use light fireball to bait your parry, this is a mind game but you have the advantages, because one wrong guess of terry he either get thrown into the corner or get a big punish
After you know how to deal with terry gimmicks, you will find out he is a very weak character
@@eatdahl One more tip, if burn knuckle has plus frame, screen will shake, you could try to hit back if the screen do not shake, but beware some good terry player will press on the parry button after they know they fail to earn plus frame
Another tip is his crack shoot, heavy one is -1 after block, light and medium are -3, if they do not space it well, they may fall in the throw range after you block it, good terry player will not throw this out frequently, because it is stupid to do that
Terry 5HP is very bad at neutral, almost every big combo of terry need to rely on drive rush cancel, if he do not use DRC, most of his long medium attack can do is poking. More than that, he need to spend one more bar after drive rush cancel if he want to access decent corner carry combo. He is a resource hungry character after you know how to deal with his gimmick
You can always try to partner with the japanese players like Daigo/Tokido/Mago to help make translated videos for their channel while also advertising your own there (you'd have to negotiate those terms with them).
I think that's a good compromise so that you don't "vulture" their content but still bring their discussion into the western community while not sacrificing your own discoverability.
Bro I swear terry is not that bad bro I swear bro lend me some money to put it on terry stocks while it is low trust me bro I will double your investment
What are my returns if I invest $100 and he ends up solid middle tier
@@Chris_F in that case dear business partner we can ensure you at least %67.1 increase of value in your portfolio (calculations made without not considering taxes). In addition if you are able to provide a video of what can be combined with crackshoot to make a safe block string (or with the heavy projectile) the percentage increases to 86.2
He sure downplayed Juri and has to be joking about Terry lol
You’re looking like Nick Wright 😆
I have no idea who that is lol
i disagree that Ed is super strong and S tier
Character has too many flaws to be above mid tier
I gotta disagree, Ed is not mid tier and I think recent tournaments have shown that
@@Chris_F Ed has yet to win any major tournaments. For almost 4 months Ed was considered one of the worst characters in the game, suddenly Momochi discovers the dsync combo, people lose their minds saying the character is S tier.
Mago is really trying to improve his results, so he switched from a B tier character... to what in his opinion is the worst character in the game??
To be fair he switched day 1, nobody really knew what kind of character Terry was at that point
Just last night I spent a couple of hours playing Terry (MR 1600) and crying in frustration for how weak he is compared to the other shotos. And that's when it remembered what I thought on day one: why take a great character and turn it into a worse version of Ken/Ryu/Akuma? Terry is NOT a shoto in any of his most iconic versions. Funny how the general impression when the first of Terry's teasers came out was "CAPCOM made Terry with a lot of love". He almost feels like a joke character. Dan was WAY better in SF5.
They craft Dan with a lot of love too, but this do not prevent the fact that Dan is a weak character in almost every sf series
@@computervision557 Yeah, but right now, I feel SFV Dan was stronger than the current Terry. Might be too early, who knows?
MIght be too early, however I don't think terry has much potential to explore, he do not have SA2 like ed or rashid, not to mention ed buttons and special are very good in S1 too for mid-range
Terry is fairly good for those players who do not know how to deal with his gimmicks, like 2MK TC, 5MP TC, fireball drive rush etc
After they know how to deal with them, you begin to find out how weak his normals are
@@computervision557 Exactly my thoughts.
Totally agree on terry he's not good unfortunately
Terry is a combo heavy character. He has special moves that cancel into special moves. He also has a fast ground fireball that can extend a combo when in midscreen so you do not need to put your assailant in the corner to get extended combos with Terrry ; you can actually use that fast fireball as a combo extender to combo INTO the corner from midscreen. So far only Kintyo-ru is doing this combo extender with Terry. Even Punk and other top Terry's dont know this combo so its not surprising that they find him weak. Terry is Top 6. But you need to know his optimal combos and extenders to use him well.
He is strong as long as his gimmicks still work, his buttons are too poor
@@computervision557 You are simply proving my point. Terry has been DELIBERATELY given subpar normals [short range/no plus on block] BECAUSE his combos are so crazy. Even Punk admits that he cannot remember all Terry's combos. Terry can use a punish counter from midscreen to combo INTO the corner . From a punish counter both his shoulder tackle into Crack shoot can link into fast ground fireball that pushes back the opponent into the corner. If you can't do this combo [so far only Kintyo-ru can execute this] then you haven't fully optimized Terry.
Marisa has combo can erase 8000 of hp, do this make her strong? No
Problem is not the combo, many of the characters have decent combo in this game, a great character do not need 100 combos to make him/her great. They just need a few effective, optimal, stable combo for most of the cases, just like ken, akuma, ed, aki, zangief etc.
In high level fight, your normals is the key to help you win the neutral game and give you great oki, remember that your chances of landing the combos come from winning neutral and guess it right from the oki, not from those gimmicks.
Terry has so many combos, and everyone of them could be the best answer for very specific case, this is not a good sign for a strong character. Many strong character can have optimal results with just a few combos, and they have much better normals to help they land the combos.
Terry is strong whenever your rivals do not know how to deal with his gimmicks, but after they know it, you will find out this character is so weak compare with other shoto, the worst shoto in the game, he is so weak
@computervision557 A gimmick is something that only activates under special conditions and hence is not RELIABLE. Jamie's drinks are gimmicks. Terry's combos on the other hand are ALWAYS ACCESSIBLE. Terry has been nerfed in the neutral and augmented in combos.What this means is that other characters can land smaller combos easier than Terry. However, Terry's combos can be EXTENDED much longer than the other characters since he can special cancel one special move into another. It simply means that Terry must be played differently than other characters. He has a different gameplan. This is not a gimmick because unlike Jamie, Terry ALWAYS has access to his combos.
Honda :(
All these tier lists are biased. Every Evo and Capcom cup has someone different winning.
Ed is really strong. He doesn't have a bad matchup.
Seriously, I thought I was just bad at the matchup but I've been labbing him and he is so hard to fight
I don’t play Ed so I can’t say who his bad matchups are but he is strong for sure
Terry may not be top 10 but him being worse then Manon, Liliy, Honda??? He is mid but most important fun character in contrast to Juri which is pretty boring.
juri is boring because the only thing she has is the ability of walking behind her fireball. her only way of getting decent-good damage is using her heavy punch normals. juri doesnt have insanely good normals that ed has, juri doesnt have insanely good mixup game that cammy has, juri doesnt have the insane damage that bison has, juri doesnt have the insanely easy damage that ryu, ken, zangief, and luke have, and she DEFINITELY does not have tbe burnout pressure that aki has. juri should be in D tier on this list.
Agree that Juri is fairly boring
100% sure that he's weaker than Lily.
Do you understand Japanese?
EDIT: Oh you do. You said at the end. Btw why would you think you are being a culture vulture by translating more videos?
Said it in the first minute too😭
Just because it’s not 100% original content. I’m trying to be a respectful RUclipsr
@@Chris_F Oh you did say it at the beginning 😭😭😭
@@Chris_FI like that you are respectful. I will subscribe 👍
People dont learn haha, 90% of Japanese Tier List are trash, always exagerated or biased
Hard to see Bison in top 3 without a DP. Level 1 and 3 are 10 frames and that means meaty lights can block in time. Level 2 has 20+ frame startup so only works to blow up a very limited set up moves. Hits like a truck though.
Brother bison's strengths just make his weaknesses irrelevant. Bison plays the meta soo well and suffocates characters with his braindead offense and specials. He is such a stupid easy gorilla character that only belongs in top tier
He's so damn strong and suffocating that it doesn't matter, he reminds me Happy Chaos from Guilty Gear, another character without dp.
juri being on the tier as aki and guile is crazy. juri absolutely sucks.
Her and AKI need to trade places because AKI so definitely in a better place than Juri.
This is the most stale meta in esports history. Same exact abusable strats, characters for 2 years, simply unacceptable in the 21st century. The balance team at Capcom is doing nothing on purpose so they can still have a job 5 years down the line instead of fixing the game right now.
I think they are still actually doing "1 balance patch a year" and then throughout the year its just minor changes that really do nothing to the meta
that's great that people don't want to be content vultures but nowadays everything is so damn individualized unless you're watching on the pro players channel you have no idea what's going on on the other side of the rock