Ivo Pogorelich Chopin Piano Competition, full program ( 2nd stage ) 1980
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- Опубликовано: 21 ноя 2024
- There was a sensation at the 1980 Chopin Competition in Warsaw when, in a decision going against audience opinion, Ivo Pogorelich was not admitted to the final round because of his unconventional interpretations. This came about because of a wide discrepancy in the jury’s marking; half the panel of judges gave him the highest number of points and half the lowest. He was awarded only a special prize for his “exceptionally original pianistic talent”.
Martha Argerich resigned from the jury in protest, and the “Pogorelich Affair” made the headlines all over the world, not only on account of the sensational events at the competition, but also because it was said that Pogorelich had created a new Chopin style.
0:00 Etude in A flat major,
Op.10 No.10
2:04 Etude in G sharp minor, Op.25 No.6
4:12 Ballade in F major, Op.38
13:29 Polonaise in F sharp minor, Op.44
24:12 Scherzo in C Sharp Minor, Op.39
32:00 Prelude in D minor, Op.28 No.24
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0:00 Etude in A flat major,
Op.10 No.10
2:04 Etude in G sharp minor, Op.25 No.6
4:12 Ballade in F major, Op.38
13:29 Polonaise in F sharp minor, Op.44
24:12 Scherzo in C Sharp Minor, Op.39
32:00 Prelude in D minor, Op.28 No.24
This man is a genius. His technique is legendary and flows from his inner being and soul.
He brought something truly unique to the craft, at times, transcendental, not perfect, but devastating in its power and ability to connect to raw human feeling.
That prelude is the most epic thing i've ever heard!!
I thought his whole program was! Just electrifying! 😯😩
Saw him last night in Marseille. Very moving and beautiful
Un vero genio,per fortuna capito e sostenuto da un altro genio di nome Martha Argerich che ha abbandonato la giuria in totale disaccordo con l’esclusione di Pogorelic’ che era il vero vincitore😢❤
that ballade is life changing
I really like his whole performance, some of my favourite opuses of Chopin!
Pogorelich's dynamics and voicing is exceptional! The Ballade was a bit too brutal at times for my liking, but the contrast to the tender parts was great and the expression phenomenal. I have started to like him a lot, not in everything, but enough to buy a few of his recordings now. He's most certainly unique as a pianist and does what all musicians should be doing, play the way he wants to play because he has a certain idea and understanding of the music and wants to express that, rather than copying a specific 50 years old interpretation of another musician. It makes his playing sound genuine and very convincing, deep and well thought through. It may be too over-elaborate for some, for others too dry or rough, too slow or too fast, but that's fine. You can't be loved by everyone, no matter what you do.
Chopin himself once said that music can be played differently every day.
Yet, 99% of modern musicians play standard (not just pianists), all sound the same, their interpretations hardly differ at all, just like human robots because music schools and competition jurors demand it. If we continue like that, the world won't need musicians in the near future any longer because AI recordings will have replaced them. The only thing that will distinguish us from AI in a few decades will be our souls and our individuality.
It was even worse when Steinway was the exclusive piano on every stage in the world and in every recording. Thankfully at least this is changing and other piano brands with different colours, like Bösendorfer, Bechstein, Fazioli and others, are becoming more common again, like it was when those great composers wrote their music, there were dozens of brands all over Europe. There is nothing wrong with Steinway. But it shouldn't be the only brand that people hear. Every composer had their favourite brands (Chopin preferred Pleyel, Liszt loved Erard and so on) and so their music always had a distinct voice colour differing from their peers (like a human voice, really). I wish this to come back, that's my personal "woke" movement, bring back diversity of interpretations and instruments! :D
Un eccellente musicista, autentico fuoriclasse della tastiera misteriosamente e colpevolmente non premiato a Varsavia. Alberto Locatelli.
Прекрасное исполнение🔥👏👏👏
BRAVOOOOO
While the judges of the X International Chopin Competition may have attempted to dim Pogorelić ‘s light 44 years ago, time has proven their judgment fleeting and his genius enduring…
Experiencing his performance today, with unparalleled expressiveness in Chopin’s Sonata No. 2 and deeply moving colors in every note, confirms that true artistry transcends any momentary controversy.
Pogorelić remains celebrated and beloved worldwide, a testament to the fact that passion and brilliance will always outlast fleeting criticism.
I'm guessing he had a much more prominent career than whoever won that year.
True. The 1st-Prize winner did do some successful tours but eventually became a Music Professor at a college in Canada.
He is a genius☝️
Шопен вместе с Иво приходил на конкурс, а они его не узнали.😢😢
Chopin was playing through Ivo, again, the jury could not recognize Chopin playing through Ivo.
Ну, никто, кроме Марта А́ргерих (Архери́ч), как будто Шопен прошептал еи на ухо что-то очень важное.
(Прошу прощения за мой русский.)
@@BlackQback She wasn't the only juror who quit in protest but she was the most prominent member, having won 1st Prize in that same competition 4 years earlier.
@@excelsior999 Well, considering my level of Russian, I didn't want to entangle myself in too elaborate comment ☺.
I remember there was a controversy, pro-and-con Ivo camps, I'm sure that А́ргерих did quit in protest, but I can't claim with the same level of certainty whether main anti-Ivo juror quit too, or just made a big fuss. I was a kid from Yugoslavia learning to play piano at the time (about 10 years younger than Ivo), and I remember the whole thing being very exciting, and disappointing (and a bit insulting on another level) that Ivo didn't win. Anyhow, I count myself lucky I got to see him play Chopin live around that time, once in Institute for Music (it used to be one of the buildings of Music Academy and a place for concerts or dancing) in Zagreb, sitting on the floor among other 50-60 people and another two or three times in similar setting in Belgrade. Though I've been to many of his concerts later in life, I even caught his performance of Tchaikovsky Piano Concerto no. 1 in B-mol, those intimate early (for me, that is) recitals have a special place in my heart and mind.
@@BlackQback Thank you for the very interesting reply.
A true Warrior Virtuoso. When in later recordings of Liszt Transcendental Etudes, his hands and fingers are like improvised explosive devices.. IEDs..basically wartime tools to blow up stuff...and he blows up the pianoforte in those 3 Liszt etudes. Powerful !!❤❤❤❤
Greatest genius of all time. They made huge mistake. He IS the winner!!! Not only that year, every year.
Come on! Pogorelich is not the greatest! More colorful beautiful piano sound than Pogorelich=Emil Gilels Wilhelm Kempff Radu Lupu Artur Rubinstein Vladimir Ashkenazy! More genius than Pogorelich=Svistoslav Richter Solomon Cutner Grigory Sokolov Maurizio Pollini! Horowitz his Scarlatti sonatas much better than Pogorelich's! Rubinstein Ashkenazy and Grigory Sokolov their Chopin piano concerto no 2 much better than Pogorelich!!
@@RaineriHakkarainen NOT for me. Rubinstein plays like a schoolboy. No emotions at all
@@moriscengic Rubinstein was lucky there was not too much competition in his time. Today, he probably would be eliminated at his own competition 🙂
@@RaineriHakkarainen Rubinstein is so overrated... Compared to all the other's you mentioned...
Rubinstein Is a giant
💗💓💞💖
Where did you get this footage? There are a bunch of mazurkas and some more preludes he played at this competition that it doesn’t seem like there is video of that’s east to find. I would go crazy to see his recording of prelude op 28 no 22 and no 23, which are both published on Spotify from this competition
Do you know, did Pogorelich play more chopin etudes?
@@dwacheopusthere is a recording of etude op. 8 no. 10 from this competition too, there is an album called the Warsaw recordings I believe that has several competitors from the Chopin competition including Martha argerich, and most of ivo’s performance is there (minus a few pieces), including the mazurkas as well
I think it is difficult to understand what perception the pianist had who performs a classical work by a composer, in the same way as part of the public or listener of the artist, we could perceive a different sensation, in the end we have the personal freedom to decide if we like it or not like it. . It all boils down to personal opinions and nothing more.
Una giuria di incapaci 😂😂😂😂
The 2021 review was also the worst.
does anybody know what he played at the 1st stage and is there a recording of 1st stage?
Chopin piano sonata 2. Yes it is on RUclips. The best
@@michaelcole6062 the sonata no. 2 was the third stage right before elimination, I don’t think the 1st stage has video on RUclips?
So you're telling me he didn't win the competition??
Ivo was eliminated in the third round.
Marta Argerich demonstratively left the jury because of that. He did however win the audience's award.
Non voglio sostenere che la giuria di questo concorso fosse incapace, ma fuorviata da qualche disposizione dall'alto, se non addirittura corrotta, cosicché le fosse impedito di valutare adeguatamente il genio di Ivo Pogorelić, questo sì.
The jury wss influenced by considerations other than talent. It took a long time for the story to come out, and it's too long to go into here.
Genious only understand another genious maybe..., or audience only with heart without much knowledge beforehand about whats the standard etc.
Not everything works. The ballad was a huge miscalculation, especially the opening. But the things that do work, like the polanez, the scared so, and the prelude are magnificent. There is so much talent today, that there are a lot of people come especially young people, who can play with that kind of speed comet dexterity, and even the very articulate sounds. But nobody has the balls to.
I was a huge admirer of him when I was a young student. By now, 30 years later I agree with those jurors who gave him the lowest number of points.
Because he does a lot of things “wrong.” Certainly. But it still speaks to the heart and that is what it’s all about.
I’m glad to hear that. One of my teachers, Eugene List, was on the jury. He told me Pogorelich was certainly a very special player but they couldn’t endorse his playing as it was often too eccentric and they needed to uphold certain standards of what is acceptable for Chopin. He also judged the year Martha Argerich won. He said they all agreed about her being first prize. They only bickered over the rest of the prizes.
@@danielgloverpiano7693 Martha left the jury that year because of the decision not to award him the Prize.
Promo SM 💞
People are getting completely crazy if they say this guy must have been ever a winner, I think this is not real, it is ridiculous, play fat and do not understand what you are playing, that is the sense I had when I listen to him… a complete mistake in these Chopin Etudes.
I'm curious, what are your thoughts on Sultanov?