Very helpful video, thanks! My Russian tutor suggested saying И but pretending that I'd just been punched in the stomach and was badly winded. It's weirdly accurate!
Thank you! In German we have a similar sound, the ‘‘Ü“, which makes the ы easier for us to practice. It’s not the same though: inside the mouth the tongue is in the “ee” position, but the mouth is formed for “U”. The resulting sound is similar to ы
Compare with English, I find Russian pronunciations are so damn difficult - imagine what happens if it was Russians who conquered the world like UK and built an Empire then Russian becomes an international language and everyone must learn it, it would simply kill a lot of people...
Произношение английского заметно сложнее, очень много исключений из правил. Например: почему звук, обозначаемый OO звучит по разному в словах BLOOD, SPOON, DOOR? В СССР все народы знали русский язык, учили его в школах.
I think the finger in the mouth helped just to pronounce Ы by itself, but when using other letters for words its still hard to get right, or if someone put a gag in your mouth and you try to pronounce the english e
you know how a lot of people who learn english as a second language mix up the vowel sounds found in these words: win, wane, when, wean? but we can more or less guess understand them based on context? is it the same for these vowel sounds or are you totally screwed if you can't distinguish between them :(
You will not be in trouble if you will not say something incorrectly, I'm sure that Russian people will still understand what you are trying to say. There is a tendency to understand people more when you yourself have the experience of practicing a foreign language a specially of a different origin and alphabet. As English language is a world wide means of communication and all schools adapt it as the 1st foreign language to study, Russians are more or less forced to learn it, what in itself greatly broadens their understanding of different languages, culture and world views. Learning languages is actually fun, even if it is your mothers tongue language there are sill a lot of interesting and unexpected discoveries that you may find, for example the origins of words and their meaning.
Context always helps - no doubt in Russian it also does. But there are very many words in Russian where this i issue changes the meaning. Certainly, you can't tell exactly where guessing by context may fail. For Russian speakers it is normal to not see the difference in pan and pen, fill and feel, love and laugh, sore and saw, heart and hud. We say Gollivud in Russian. Harry Harrison is Garri Garrison in Russian. For us kak dela doesn't sound like cock dealer. Context doesn't work sometimes.
So basically what you're saying is: "Ы/ы" in Cyrillic is just an "Ü/ü" in the extended Latin alphabet, commonly found in Turkish and German. Or do they actually differ?
Would this right, the family Müller were transcribed as Мыллер. Really it is transcribed as Мюллер. Because sillabes with Ы and И before a consonant are rhyme. For example, the words "ил" [il] (silt) and "был" [byl] (was). And sillabes with И (or Ы) and Ю (or У) are not rhymes.
Я не знаю, зачем я сюда зашла, потому что я русская, но хочу сказать (если меня кто-то поймёт), что для русских, особенно для детей, кторые учатся говорить ы и р-самые сложные буквы. I don't know what am I doing here, because I'm Russian, but I want to say (if someone can understand my awful English), that the letters Ы and Р are the most difficult even for Russians, especially for children, who learn to speak. (I'm sorry for my mistakes)
Для меня в детстве самым сложным звуком (не буквой!) была твёрдая Л. Хотя Р тоже не сразу поддалась. А мягкая Р (рь), по моему, объективно ещё сложнее.
I'm not German but I studied German, and this sort of sounds like if you make the "ü" sound, but then unround your lips and move the sound from the front of your mouth to the back.
it really sounds French, and I'm very confused. according to Wikipedia, it's more like Vietnamese ư, Romanian â, or Turkish ı it's an I on the back of the mouth
because it actually doesn't. French u is a sound pronounced in the mouth by protruding the lips and by arranging the anterior part of the vocal cavity. The Russian sound starts in the throat and doesn't involve modification in the anterior part of the mouth. It sounds like French u when you neglect the initial part of the sound which is from the throat. Try to concentrate on that first part and you'll hear the difference.
You sounded Ы like long french u when spoken alone, but like a diphthong ui when in word context, and like short open i when in end position. But you did not say or explain that, it was only in the examples and we had to pick it up by ourselves. I did see no purpose in the finger exercises.
English has this Ы sound too. The first letter of "America" is pronounced just like Ы: Ыmerica. The indefinite article "a", "an" is also pronounced similarly: ы pencil, ыn apple. Though I wonder whether this letter Ы has not an additional "y" sound like in "yes" at the end: like Ый
I know this is old af……but yeah…..definitely not and you shouldn’t be commenting these things on videos where people are clearly trying to learn the correct pronunciation. The ы sound is NOTHING like the ‘a’ in [America], the ‘a’ in [America] is like the ‘a’ in the Russian language and the unstressed ‘o’ in Russian….sound like ‘ah’….which is NOTHING like ы. And ‘an’ is not ‘ыn’ as you said….it’s an unstressed ‘a’ followed by the ‘n’ so it looks like (strong) /æn/ (weak) /ən/ so the ‘a’ is like the /æ/ in ‘hat’ which is absolutely NOTHING like ы. Best way to describe ы is to act like your getting punched in the stomach and you’re making the sound ’oo’ while releasing air (it may feel a bit ridiculous when this is new, but new sounds feel this way sometimes).
Very helpful video, thanks! My Russian tutor suggested saying И but pretending that I'd just been punched in the stomach and was badly winded. It's weirdly accurate!
Spasibo! I’ve been trying to learn Russian for a while, and I could never figure out this sound. This gave me a very great explanation!
My face while i was trying to pronounce it 🤪🥴🤪🥴🥵☻
Спасибо! The finger in the teeth trick finally helped me to get the sound even when I took my finger away by trying to mimic the tongue location!
Thank you! In German we have a similar sound, the ‘‘Ü“, which makes the ы easier for us to practice. It’s not the same though: inside the mouth the tongue is in the “ee” position, but the mouth is formed for “U”. The resulting sound is similar to ы
I was wondering if I could "replace" the ы with an ü
very helpful for a German speaker thank yüü
it's the best tutorial on ы! Спасибо!
Thanks a bunch! Wish you well
Спасибочки.
4:26 in spanish we say upa-lala
Ы is very similar to ''i'' in the English words ''will'' or ''whiskey''.
The main thing is not to soften the consonant sound before ы.
This comparison really helped me! Thanks
Благодарю вас из индий😍😍😍
Compare with English, I find Russian pronunciations are so damn difficult - imagine what happens if it was Russians who conquered the world like UK and built an Empire then Russian becomes an international language and everyone must learn it, it would simply kill a lot of people...
Произношение английского заметно сложнее, очень много исключений из правил. Например: почему звук, обозначаемый OO звучит по разному в словах BLOOD, SPOON, DOOR? В СССР все народы знали русский язык, учили его в школах.
very simple and useful - thanks!
So is the last letter taught in this video basically like an ü sound?
Very goog. Thanks a lot!!!
One of the most useful videos ever
it really helps thanks !
lol this is funny. but it's great for learning how to say Ы well
Чего?Нифига не понятно.))
@@markulkas1663 она написала что очень круто тут рассказывают как произносить букву Ы. а воще учи англ.
@@kerovankakerovankaa2449 английский нифига непонятный язык.Пишится одно,говорится другое.
@@markulkas1663 ну тут то ты читаешь а не разговариваешь.
IMHO, the easiest way to reproduce "Ы" sound is to say [u] sound (like in book) and try to smile doing this u sound.
Прикольно, а ты из США?
Makes no sense, sorry.
whenst'd've do I use й tho?
damn ugly sound! Hard to do. Thanks for the tip. The one about the table helped. Duh.
I think the finger in the mouth helped just to pronounce Ы by itself, but when using other letters for words its still hard to get right, or if someone put a gag in your mouth and you try to pronounce the english e
you know how a lot of people who learn english as a second language mix up the vowel sounds found in these words: win, wane, when, wean? but we can more or less guess understand them based on context? is it the same for these vowel sounds or are you totally screwed if you can't distinguish between them :(
You will not be in trouble if you will not say something incorrectly, I'm sure that Russian people will still understand what you are trying to say. There is a tendency to understand people more when you yourself have the experience of practicing a foreign language a specially of a different origin and alphabet. As English language is a world wide means of communication and all schools adapt it as the 1st foreign language to study, Russians are more or less forced to learn it, what in itself greatly broadens their understanding of different languages, culture and world views. Learning languages is actually fun, even if it is your mothers tongue language there are sill a lot of interesting and unexpected discoveries that you may find, for example the origins of words and their meaning.
Context always helps - no doubt in Russian it also does. But there are very many words in Russian where this i issue changes the meaning. Certainly, you can't tell exactly where guessing by context may fail. For Russian speakers it is normal to not see the difference in pan and pen, fill and feel, love and laugh, sore and saw, heart and hud. We say Gollivud in Russian. Harry Harrison is Garri Garrison in Russian. For us kak dela doesn't sound like cock dealer. Context doesn't work sometimes.
@@DeadnWoon обсираете поди нас.
@Mark Ulkas ??!
This video was really helpful!
Спасибо! I have struggled for years with pronouncing Ы correctly.
Where should the tongue be when making the sound bl??
Можно же проще:) говорить "у" и начать улыбаться:) "ы" получится сама собой:)
получается УИИИИИИ
O, русские! Не подскажите что мы тут все делаем?
This actually made it easier. Thanks!
For my English speaking friends itrs like the O in OOZE ! at least thats how i hear it !
I just say e as in "eh" but with my tongue pushed to the roof of my mouth.
i've been so curious... is it in any way similar to the french way of pronouncing "u"?
Спасибо!!!
spasibo ?
@@void.xerinium thenk думаю правильно
So basically what you're saying is:
"Ы/ы" in Cyrillic is just an "Ü/ü" in the extended Latin alphabet, commonly found in Turkish and German.
Or do they actually differ?
Would this right, the family Müller were transcribed as Мыллер. Really it is transcribed as Мюллер. Because sillabes with Ы and И before a consonant are rhyme. For example, the words "ил" [il] (silt) and "был" [byl] (was). And sillabes with И (or Ы) and Ю (or У) are not rhymes.
@@kaprizka1760 I see. Thanks for clearing that up, I appreciate your insight.
The neighbors must think I'm in a lot of pain.
excellent
thank u : like
Такое чувство когда понимаешь что знаешь русский язык, так я вообще-то русский)
i so like it.i love rusian.
Попалось в рекомендациях
И у меня сейчас попалось.
Я не знаю, зачем я сюда зашла, потому что я русская, но хочу сказать (если меня кто-то поймёт), что для русских, особенно для детей, кторые учатся говорить ы и р-самые сложные буквы.
I don't know what am I doing here, because I'm Russian, but I want to say (if someone can understand my awful English), that the letters Ы and Р are the most difficult even for Russians, especially for children, who learn to speak. (I'm sorry for my mistakes)
Для меня в детстве самым сложным звуком (не буквой!) была твёрдая Л. Хотя Р тоже не сразу поддалась. А мягкая Р (рь), по моему, объективно ещё сложнее.
#learnrussianfastinhindi
So it's basically like "wee" but more guttural... And then you've got Й.
Your "bl" sounds almost like the German "ü", in that case it's not difficult to pronounce.
I'm not German but I studied German, and this sort of sounds like if you make the "ü" sound, but then unround your lips and move the sound from the front of your mouth to the back.
@@viysnjor4811 thank you!!! This was the only thing that worked for me
Why does sound like a french U?
Or somewhat an indian accent speaking english?
Is it close to those?
it really sounds French, and I'm very confused.
according to Wikipedia, it's more like Vietnamese ư, Romanian â, or Turkish ı
it's an I on the back of the mouth
because it actually doesn't. French u is a sound pronounced in the mouth by protruding the lips and by arranging the anterior part of the vocal cavity. The Russian sound starts in the throat and doesn't involve modification in the anterior part of the mouth. It sounds like French u when you neglect the initial part of the sound which is from the throat. Try to concentrate on that first part and you'll hear the difference.
@@mminlovewithflo yeah.. that was an old comment though.. i can make the Russian sounds now..
@@мирвовсеммире-ы1и great! :)
I think I can now pronounce "альпинизм - спорт смелых" ? I say something like "alpinizm, sport smelyh" :D
Aha! Now I know why Russian speakers pronounce "Kiss" as "KEESS" rather than using a softer i which doesn't exist in Russian.
В слове лекция читается ы, а не и.
You sounded Ы like long french u when spoken alone, but like a diphthong ui when in word context, and like short open i when in end position. But you did not say or explain that, it was only in the examples and we had to pick it up by ourselves. I did see no purpose in the finger exercises.
То чувство когда коренная русская,к тому же знаю английский
Просто смотрю и смешно
Жиза
Тааааак, а на кой ляд я это все повторяю? Просто пытаюсь проверить действие метода или мне нужен психиатр?
не мы просто садисты. мы то знаем как им потом будет плохо)))
"Taaaaak, a na koi... ...lyad? ya eto vce povtoryayo? Protso puiytayoc... UMWHATTHEHÆCCKQUE?
@@connorconnor2421 do you need a translation?
@@JP-jk6qj no
English has this Ы sound too. The first letter of "America" is pronounced just like Ы: Ыmerica. The indefinite article "a", "an" is also pronounced similarly: ы pencil, ыn apple.
Though I wonder whether this letter Ы has not an additional "y" sound like in "yes" at the end: like Ый
no.
I have no idea what dialect you're speaking but standard American English sounds nothing like that
I know this is old af……but yeah…..definitely not and you shouldn’t be commenting these things on videos where people are clearly trying to learn the correct pronunciation.
The ы sound is NOTHING like the ‘a’ in [America], the ‘a’ in [America] is like the ‘a’ in the Russian language and the unstressed ‘o’ in Russian….sound like ‘ah’….which is NOTHING like ы.
And ‘an’ is not ‘ыn’ as you said….it’s an unstressed ‘a’ followed by the ‘n’ so it looks like (strong) /æn/ (weak) /ən/ so the ‘a’ is like the /æ/ in ‘hat’ which is absolutely NOTHING like ы.
Best way to describe ы is to act like your getting punched in the stomach and you’re making the sound ’oo’ while releasing air (it may feel a bit ridiculous when this is new, but new sounds feel this way sometimes).
AT Ы
Ы : Ü
Русский акцент
Ы is Î or â in romanian
[ɨ]
Смишно
She sounds indian