In the early years of Vanilla Wow, my friend made a weapon switch macro, but he never managed to test it, because every time he clicked it, the servers went down. After several attempts, he finally figured out his macro was crashing the server. He told another one of my friends and demonstrated. Next thing, permanent bans for both of them. And it wasn't intentional, he was far too dense to figure a macro that would crash the server. The was the problem in the first place, what should have been a simple weapon switch, he had managed into some absolute mess.
+Mike the Doomspike I believe it's a glitch/bug related to charge. Warriors falling under the texture after using charge is something that happens all the time on private servers :D
a ton of exploits souldnt be called cheating. I know in some games there are certain shops the sell stuff super cheap that elsewhere can be sold for 10 times a much
During TBC there was at one point a bug (approximately around season 3 of arena) that made it so when you were crafting items, you could spam a spell towards the end of the craft's cast time, and the game would consume mana from the spell instead of materials for the craft. So lets say you had engineering, and wanted to craft the lvl 70 epic gun (forgot its name), so long as you had the materials to craft 1, you could craft an infinite amount simply by spamming a spell when the craft was about to finish. Then sell the gun for like 500g on AH (a lot back then), or simply vendor them in case you did not want to overflood the market. We never got banned for doing it.
greenscreen is horrible, but damn! The way you describe things and share all this information is done so perfectly! Not sure how old these videos are, but I will be spending a few hours listening to you while leveling my alts XD
leverloos Not even slightly. He obviously wasn't clear in what he was saying, if what you're saying is true. He also could've just looked up info about the raids mentioned and he would've been able to find out the information requested himself, which he didn't. I stand by my previous statement.
My guild used an exploit in Mount Hyjal. There was a very specific spot in that raid instance where the flames couldn't reach you and where boss was unable to throw you into the air. It basically means that as long as 24 people (excluding the tank) were standing in that one magical spot the boss could do you no harm, except for auto attacking the tank of course. So you had your warriors use bows, rogues use kives and every other melee dps changing their spec to do some range dmg and you were golden.
+Karol Terech I remember it. You could jump up on a tree at the foothill. Then you pulled Archimonde there and the rest is just simple tank-and-spank. There was a similar exploitation in Karazhan where when you encounter the Curator (the giant arcane guard boss that dropped T4 gloves), you can jump onto a statue in the previous chamber where none of his adds can harm you.
TheHolyPriestGaming Well, back then the models of everything were rougher than they are today. There were a lot of hidden bumps that you can jump onto, even some walls in seemingly perfect vertical form, and when you did, it looked like you were floating in the air with nothing beneath your feet.
When you've shown Viscidus at the start of the video i was instantly reminded of what rslaven (member of Death & Taxes) said about AQ40 before it was nerfed (well some of it): "We got world first Viscidus with 40 engineers and nearly crashed the server with sapper charges. We pulled bosses through gates and kited them up and down stairs in rooms for 2 hours because they weren't meant to be killed." Now that's clever use of game mechanics.
+tanks608 If it wasn't something common, like using a random obscure bad food item sure, but something that commonly used? No that was just Bliz not testing properly before release.
+tanks608 Kungen actually made a statement video. The saronite bombs were a essential part of their rotations. Furthermore it happened in normal mode which wasn't challenging for them at all
+tanks608 agreed, it just showed the lack of testing the devs did, and a lack of class understanding, so many top dps used bombs and engineering to min/max their rotation, blizz should have noticed that..
+tanks608 the bombs ALONE are not an exploit, but they should have noticed that it wasnt consistent. Aditionally, they used it to bypass another mechanic. The valkyr's that drop down and try to throw players off the cliff would be ignored because of those platforms. THAT was where the exploit came into play. it was used to bypass a mechanic.
What about way back in the day when Reckoning in the Paladin prot tree had unlimited stacks and would allow the pally to just take crits from a boss while a whole raid of healers healed him untill he was able to one shot basically any boss.
People don't seem to realise it but Blizzard couldn't give a shit what you think when they ban guilds for exploiting. Its their game. Justify it as much as you want, its still their game, their set of rules you play by. If they lose a single guild of people because of it, who cares? They have millions more still playing that don't exploit.
mirta000 Because human beings are flawless creatures who value principles above everything else? Punish test team if you must, not players for taking advantage of Blizzard's failure.
REgamesplayer You're misunderstanding the point. This attempt for banning players that use game mechanics is moralistic. Look at blizzard's terms and conditions they're overwhelmingly occupied with fairness.
Matt W For selfishly wanting to save time, could you sum up why Blizzard's terms and conditions are fair? Also, why you consider banning players to be moral?
Uhhh. I disagree with blizzard's stupid terms and conditions. I'm not agreeing with it. I said blizzard tries to be moralistic about banning. In no way did I say I agree with this.
I agree with almost every single one of these, however, number 2 is kind of blizzards own fault. If they inplemented a spell which could place the target in an inpenetrable shield until they removed it, then it is their job to make sure you cant use it to anything other than what it is made for (Wipe recovery). This was probably the reason they didnt ban anyone who did it. Its not the player's fault. This is the case with most of the exploits, apart from the ones where you need to DC / relog or alter the game files. Anyway, love your videos. Keep it up! :)
I'm surprised Martin Fury wasn't mentioned in this video? Karatechop the infamous level 80 gnome warrior who cleared Ulduar solo with an item accidently given to him by a GM
i'm actually surprised that the exxodus exploit on yogg+0 wasn't in the list, skipping out the entire hard part of phase 3 was inexcusable. but then again it's your list so fair enough =)
Great video and great content. I started playing WoW 1/2 way through Wrath and I had no clue of any of these exploits nor the actions taken by Blizz as well as those caught doing them. Was definitely interesting.
While i'll still defend anyone who uses exploits to this day (if it's in the game it's the dev's fault) the one where they edited the game files is just a straight up hack and they all deserved perma bans.
+i am da maasta well I agree however it's game dev's fault that the trash is so hard/long/boring that they decided that it's better to cheat and get banned than not cheating...
The epic amount of nostalgia and thoroughly explained facets of the game that may or may not still be in the game are just a few of the reasons I LOVE these videos.
Ulduar Shirt exploit? anyone? I have heard rumores about some alliance dude was accidently given a Shirt to equip that had the effect that on activating it, everything around the user in a range of 100 meters just dropps dead.
that one with the blind dragon looked lagit to me. that really did look like clever tactics. get somewhere that your team has the "high ground" as it were and rain fire on the enemy. I look at it from a DM's (dungeon master) point of view. if I were preparing an encounter like that for my players I would INTENTIONALLY leave a spot on the map for them to try and find that would give them that exact advantage in the fight. and intentionally make the fight otherwise nigh impossible to win without that advantage. I think that was very smart on the part of that group to discover that.
Im glad you included your number 1, At the start of the video i was expecting to have to post about that one myself. You are well versed in wow Lore and i commend you.
Hey I don't know if any of you were there or even knew about it. But back in Karazhan you can run through a mountain on the side of a hill and get to Prince without clearing any trash at all. Doing this would allow the doors to stay open and you can pull Prince.....and stay out of the inferno field. Im guessing no one actually knew about it. But it was a very quiet exploit on my server. We actually got server first kill but no one really cared about it.
+dimitri fotiou Not only that but you could jump onto a pillar that was right of the entrance to Malchezzar and stand there the whole fight taking no damage from inferno either. Pure tank´n´spank
I specifically remember the Saronite Bomb patch because I was using them along with a small group to sneak into the back walls of Wintergrasp. I was so effing livid at the time until a few months later when I heard about the UNINTENDED LK exploit.
Blizz logic: Put a big red button in the middle of stormwind saying "this will level you up by a level but don't press it lol" and ban people for it :^)
Ahh Razorgore and BWL... what great memories... The guild I was in at the time decided against using the known exploit as we knew it would eventually be fixed, so while other Alliance guilds were trying to progress to Chrommie, we were beating our heads against the Razorgore wall. But I still remember the amazing feeling of when we first got him down and proceeded to clear the entire raid in one sitting due to learning synergy. And then the cherry on top when the fix came around and we were one of only 2 guilds on our server progressing past Razorgore for weeks.
Blizzard on lk25 world first : "We fucked up, and found the source, and since the player was a rogue he obviously was so much smarter than us that he already figured out the glitch before us, and how to exploit it, so we're going to ban the whole guild" Rofl...
Its very obvious that the rogue was using it for damage, and it was prob in his basic macro for dps rotation due to his professions... Banning one person for cheating if you have proof he was bragging about bugging the lich king fight with it sure, but I highly doubt that lol
IDK, I think the reck bomb should have been on this list. You did do a good job highlighting Blizzard's incredible inconsistency in administering bans, which continues to this day. One guild exploits a world first lk kill and gets a 3 day ban, another exploits to save a bit of time not killing trash they were capable of defeating legit and is perma banned. I'm not defending the second group as they did cheat, but in my view what they did was less harmful overall to the game than the first group.
only for the elite few it had impact on the game. and their punishment was to be locked out from heroic world first, wich they would probably have been able to get. Altering game files on the other hand is just cheating. It has nothing to do with an exploit.
Both acts were cheating. As for only an elite few being affected? Thousands were affected in their runs for world first when they got the news it had been claimed and stopped trying for it, which is a far higher number of people than were affected by a guild getting a raid done a bit faster they could have cleared anyway. They should have been actioned sure, but cheating a world first is a MUCH bigger deal than skipping some trash.
I can see you're willing to pretty much say anything to defend this blatant double standard in the treatment of these 2 guilds. There is little point arguing the point further when you haven't even actually addressed the last point and instead threw up a deflection which has nothing to do with the issue at hand.
An exploit I found in late Cataclysm: When entering an LFR, I entered the dungeon journal, went into the raid I was currently inside, and set the gear filter to my class and spec. Then, all the items on that list were the only items that could drop, and was confirmed true. But that was changed as soon as MoP came out.
killerwasp102 I'm aware, was just saying during Classic, the ONLY mounts you were allowed to use in there were the ones that dropped. A pretty neat concept honestly. Wouldn't mind that coming back in some way.
That audio is from a razorgore wipe, but it is the same guy who have the Onyxia wipe rage clip. There is also a Molten core one and probably a couple more hidden around youtube.
+Mellisco Honestly besides the one where they altered the files I find all of it to be on blizzard's head than the guilds. And especially for the lich king bug with the platforms I think blizzard had their heads up their asses for that bann.
There was one exploit I found that broke PVP. It was when the holy power system was first introduced. There was a trinket found in Molten Core, or some other Vanilla WoW instance that reduced the mana cost of spells by a small bit. When this trinket was paired with T1 and T2 Pally armor, it made Word of Glory an instant cast without having a holy power charge; as well as Templers Verdict. I legit could do WSG with all other enemy players on me just spamming WoG in T1 armor and could not be killed.
Yes, every game has bugs, but its the devs fault for not properly testing the encounters before hand and by releasing bugged content they give full rights to exploit it.
My personal favourite was Ulduaar. A guild discovered if a mage cast "Blink" in a certain place when entering Yogg'Sarons rooms, he'd fall through the floor and into the brain room, happily skipping all phases and free to nuke his brain from the inside for an easy kill.
Overrated - Shadowmoon Horde got perma ban because that's when Blizz could afford to lose players. Since around 2010 they can't afford to lose hardly anyone to anything. :p
The sound bite used in this video is from Razorgore. The confusion is the popular meme "More Dots". Originally a sound bite of an Onyxia raid by the EU guild Wipe Club, which has had several versions of different flash animations and audio remixes over the years. Many people are not familier with the fact that a small group of Wipe Club members frequently recorded the guilds team speak line. Onyxia is not the only excellent audio clip from this guild. Just the most familier.
It's stupid to ban people for exploiting. Whose fault is it that those exploits are even possible? Good on Blizzard for eventually sucking it up and just fixing the loose ends they left in the game instead of banning.
There was another Blackwing Lair exploit back in the day for Razorgore. If a hunter pulled him and feigned death. He would reset and no adds would spawn. Making the egg breaking much easier.
My favorite usage of Divine Intervention: When cast, the spell would automatically dismount an ally player and freeze them in place. So, when bored, I would occasionally fly up close to a friend in my party and pop Divine Intervention on them. Their character would then be dismounted and frozen in a glowing bubble miles above ground. A right click or duration later and my buddies would be forced into a free fall to death.
There's no need to alter game files, you can jump through the wall by mounting+jumping around the corner by the second boss, still an exploit though but it makes me wonder if they actually did alter the game files or blizzard just couldn't figure out how they did it and made something up.
My personal favorite is mounting through walls. Yes, climbing with priestlevitate was fun because you got to areas you couldn't otherwise, but mounting through walls gave me access to the alliance part of dalaran as horde, ctun without any boss done prior, killing people through the floor and skipping just shitloads of things.
Another exploit in Vanilla to skip Razorgore trash was to have two hunters. One hunter would shoot the adds at the orb and instantly feign death, this would cause about a 1-2 second gap where adds couldn't spawn from the little squares on the sides/corners. Then the second hunter shoots the EXACTLY as they came back, before the guy reconnects the beam with the orb, then no adds would spawn from the little squares and you kill those 3 adds + razorgore and boss is done. I did that about 50 times back in Vanilla.
You could also jump on the left hand balcony using the lamp, mobs would target the players on the balcony, but also making them evade as they could not hit the said players.
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haven't watched the entire video, but is the karazhan glitching into chess-event solo on the list? I remember doing that early in tbc :P got some sweet sweet loot from it too ;)
IMO #1 was actually an exploit in Molten Core. Before we were saved in raids between maintenance. We were saved for a full week from the moment the first boss was killed. Eminence on Blackrock US was eventually taking raids from other guilds on the last day of the save. Payment was that officers from the selling guild were allowed to attend and receive loot. But this meant Eminence was clearing Molten Core 7 times a week. I am sure they had planned with seven guilds to actually begin their raids on seven different days so they could do this. Ultimately the way raids were saved was changed to the time in between weekly maintenance so that this couldn't happen anymore.
In BWL, you could all hearth out when Razorgore was at 1-2% except and alt dps, alt healer, and alt tank. The loot for razorgore would only be accessible to the the alts but the lockout only applied to the alts as well. Replace the 3 alts after everyone zones back in and you can clear BWL as many times a week as you could. Guild got the week ban hammer. Warsong (US) - Fusion / Divine Right - Alliance
on the lich king kill, i played with one of their main raiders during that and he said, they found what was causing it and kept using it, they knew all along what was causing it.
For The Lich King one, since it was a World First, there's NO WAY that they could have know about that exploit, unless someone from Blizzard knew about it, didn't tell his/her co-workers about it or try to fix it, AND leaked that information to that specific Guild. What this means to me is that since they could not have known that the bombs would sometimes trigger such a bug (And that, as he said in the video, those bombs were generally used in standard rotations of engineers), any logically minded person would realize that they weren't justified in banning them.
Glenn the Frog The thing about that is its a world first WIN. for all they know there could have been dozens of attempts resulting in wipes where the guy does that by accident then realizes something's up. Yes I know this has terrible grammar, but its 4 in the morning so idgaf.
robert weller but the thing is that even if they had noticed it happening, they almost definitely wouldn't know why. No one would just be like, "oh, I bet the reason the stage is coming back together is because of the saronite bombs! That makes perfect sense!"
robert weller To be fair, it was normal mode. Normal mode is a cake walk, as demonstrated when the same guild used their alts to kill Lich King again within the same week. Heroic mode would not be available for another week, so there was no point in trying to exploit that fight either.
I don't know if I would categorize #1 as an exploit seeing as they were not taking advantage of a bug or such, if you count game modification, there are a TON of worse things that could be done.
Exploit 5: The same result (guaranteed set bonus), was not achievable without exploiting. Best you could get legitimately was a decent chance by having only one person need the loot in the raid.
I think the most hilarious thing about the Ahn'Qiraj bug is that they didnt fix it completely. I found out that in WotLK that you could mount up in a spot under the staircase that would send you down and allowing you to skip the whole raid before C'thun. It might still be possible actually.
"Moar Dots" was from Ony, but the whole fear/kiting freakout was from Razorgore, which was featured in this video. Same guy freaking out, different fights.
Nah if you were in a horde raid you would be too busy bitching about blessing of salvation for Vael and blessings in general if you didn't get a shaman in your group.
the BWL vent recording was dives from wipe club i was in that guild for a while (chromaggus/boulderfist eu). i got my bloodfang helm from onyxia, the infamous 'onxyia wipe' footage. dives is a cool guy. he mostly only plays bf3 nowadays. he doesn't rage.
all these are well known exploits but you missed a few: you missed the bwl nefarian (world? NA I think) first that exploited how raids worked by overloading the instance with 50+ players (not in the raid but just the instance) and cycled them into the raid as people died. make raid of 40 people. 20 of them logout while the leader remembers their names (because it's all the people in your guild of rank 'raider'). all 20 of those log to warlock alts to soulstone the other half. now do the same in reverse to soulstone the first half. now relog through another rotation to have your second raid team join the same instance. pass leader to the second troupe. you now have a single raid instance with 120 players 'saved' to the id. everybody pulls as normal. as anybody dies and expends their soulstone they relog on to an alt and the RL invites them through a keyword (CTRA /rakw command) automatically. you thus can cycle as many bodies/alts as you want to thwart hard content you don't have the real gear for yet (for those who didnt loot t2 from MC when it existed). BC fixed most of this except the warlock alt abuse. blizzard attempted to hotfix this and screwed it up so bad that you had raids comprised of horde+alliance combined and one faction getting loot drops from chromaggus exclusive to the other side (alliance got shaman loot, horde got paladin). less lucky players were teleported to the hills above ss/tm. the same mechanic was also used to cascade raid boss kills by cycling the leader of the raid as loot drops were tied to the leader and not all players in the raid. want to run the content and farm gear? just bring in a new raid leader to eat a save id and the other 39 can be the same players. an even more advanced version of this abused the ibaa seed which was based on the instance save id (that used to be shown in the raid interface) to predetermine loot drops. this was also modified prior to naxx arrival but still discernable. likewise you made no mention of the infamous jump macro bug (do a jump and sit in the same macro at the same time) and you would levitate above the ground and ignore all ground aoe effects with a height of 50 (gnome ankles). it was also used to great effect to get anywhere in the game beyond what simple wall walking achieved because you could repeatedly use this macro to gain any altitude as long as you didnt move laterally. you'd noggerfogger to get slow fall and then jump where you wanted to land. this survived the entirety of 1.x of the game and was only patched in a hotfix/restart a few days prior to 2.0 releasing and removing the ability to jump through a macro and making it and other abilities only viable through hardware events (same thing killed autodecursive, ctra emergency monitor and so on) and was a well guarded secret for the longest time. there were multiple cases of lagswitching to bypass instance soft walls (doors that unlock after you kill boss X) that has plagued wow since day one as well. these are the raid relevant ones I could think of.
Do you remember the paladin onehitting Lord Kazzak in vanilla? Paladins just got their talents redone (1.9 i think) and got the old reconning in prot. It gains you a buff after receiving a critical hit that gives you an additional weapon swing with your next attack. and it stacked. Indefinately. So a pala took a roguefired to Kazzak and dueld hi for about 3 hours straight, got over 1000 stacks one oneshotted Kazzak. I think the next day blizz added a 5 stack cap
I remember hearing about that and a few mages on my server did it, but never heard of any of them getting banned. They kept a horseman alive and kept spell stealing his shield right?
I find it strange that the GCD exploit wasn´t discussed. Was the list limited to PvE exploits? For anyone that doesn't know what I'm talking about: it was possible to change the game files in such a way, that you would have a shorter GCD in arena.
My favorite raid exploit ever was how my guild got it's very first princess huhuran kill in AQ40. At a certain low percentage she started to chain cast poison bolt volleys over and over at the 15 closest players. Those players would then equip a zandalari potion of spell reflection (required some ZG turn ins). It would cause all of her poison bolts to reflect back to her for the entire duration and killed her in seconds. Of course the following week we killed it the proper way... :)
Killing C'thun when it was current content is easily my proudest gaming moment, and probably the highlight of my gaming life. But holy crap, that run back was unjustifiable. If I hadn't been so blindly addicted to the game I wouldn't have tolerated it.
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In the early years of Vanilla Wow, my friend made a weapon switch macro, but he never managed to test it, because every time he clicked it, the servers went down. After several attempts, he finally figured out his macro was crashing the server. He told another one of my friends and demonstrated.
Next thing, permanent bans for both of them. And it wasn't intentional, he was far too dense to figure a macro that would crash the server. The was the problem in the first place, what should have been a simple weapon switch, he had managed into some absolute mess.
I charged at the first boss of AQ and fell into cthun and got scared shitless
+MyViolador did you get banned?
+Mike the Doomspike I believe it's a glitch/bug related to charge. Warriors falling under the texture after using charge is something that happens all the time on private servers :D
+pawninwordsandsoon oh yes..wotlk private servers. charge to wsg graveyards=guranteed under textures drop :D
a ton of exploits souldnt be called cheating. I know in some games there are certain shops the sell stuff super cheap that elsewhere can be sold for 10 times a much
RIP old MoltenWoW. Spent a lot of time on there years ago when I couldnt pay the sub fee.
During TBC there was at one point a bug (approximately around season 3 of arena) that made it so when you were crafting items, you could spam a spell towards the end of the craft's cast time, and the game would consume mana from the spell instead of materials for the craft. So lets say you had engineering, and wanted to craft the lvl 70 epic gun (forgot its name), so long as you had the materials to craft 1, you could craft an infinite amount simply by spamming a spell when the craft was about to finish. Then sell the gun for like 500g on AH (a lot back then), or simply vendor them in case you did not want to overflood the market. We never got banned for doing it.
greenscreen is horrible, but damn! The way you describe things and share all this information is done so perfectly!
Not sure how old these videos are, but I will be spending a few hours listening to you while leveling my alts XD
leverloos Not even slightly. He obviously wasn't clear in what he was saying, if what you're saying is true.
He also could've just looked up info about the raids mentioned and he would've been able to find out the information requested himself, which he didn't. I stand by my previous statement.
***** sure, ASL?
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Tunedoll lol!
Altering the files should result in a perma ban everytime.
No justification.
Using addons=altering game files
Using addons= perma ban?
On that day, 10 million WoW Accounts were suspended.
Dogtastic Doge Oh come on really the #1 exploit was kinda pushing it as far as exploits go
Tristan Casimir I know, ofc. they deserved it. Just trying to piss OP off because of unclear instructions.
Dogtastic Doge Hey their are you from 4chan?
Ben Stoll Nope.
My guild used an exploit in Mount Hyjal. There was a very specific spot in that raid instance where the flames couldn't reach you and where boss was unable to throw you into the air. It basically means that as long as 24 people (excluding the tank) were standing in that one magical spot the boss could do you no harm, except for auto attacking the tank of course. So you had your warriors use bows, rogues use kives and every other melee dps changing their spec to do some range dmg and you were golden.
+Karol Terech I remember it. You could jump up on a tree at the foothill. Then you pulled Archimonde there and the rest is just simple tank-and-spank. There was a similar exploitation in Karazhan where when you encounter the Curator (the giant arcane guard boss that dropped T4 gloves), you can jump onto a statue in the previous chamber where none of his adds can harm you.
TheHolyPriestGaming Well, back then the models of everything were rougher than they are today. There were a lot of hidden bumps that you can jump onto, even some walls in seemingly perfect vertical form, and when you did, it looked like you were floating in the air with nothing beneath your feet.
+TheHolyPriestGaming Its as elusive as another magical spot...
hahaha that sounds like it would be a SHIT longer fight than to do it properly. good old days melee with bows : ]
When you've shown Viscidus at the start of the video i was instantly reminded of what rslaven (member of Death & Taxes) said about AQ40 before it was nerfed (well some of it): "We got world first Viscidus with 40 engineers and nearly crashed the server with sapper charges. We pulled bosses through gates and kited them up and down stairs in rooms for 2 hours because they weren't meant to be killed."
Now that's clever use of game mechanics.
I still felt the bombs was not an exploit.
+tanks608 If it wasn't something common, like using a random obscure bad food item sure, but something that commonly used? No that was just Bliz not testing properly before release.
+tanks608 Kungen actually made a statement video. The saronite bombs were a essential part of their rotations. Furthermore it happened in normal mode which wasn't challenging for them at all
+tanks608 agreed, it just showed the lack of testing the devs did, and a lack of class understanding, so many top dps used bombs and engineering to min/max their rotation, blizz should have noticed that..
+recurvebogen01 the guild could also back up kungens claims that normal was piss easy when they took alts with meh gear and smashed through it
+tanks608 the bombs ALONE are not an exploit, but they should have noticed that it wasnt consistent. Aditionally, they used it to bypass another mechanic. The valkyr's that drop down and try to throw players off the cliff would be ignored because of those platforms. THAT was where the exploit came into play. it was used to bypass a mechanic.
Watching this in April 2019 - Oh My The Irony!
What about way back in the day when Reckoning in the Paladin prot tree had unlimited stacks and would allow the pally to just take crits from a boss while a whole raid of healers healed him untill he was able to one shot basically any boss.
+alex bro I remember that!
dread reckoning...
scarier than dead reckoning, because it's just one pally, not a whole bus..
People don't seem to realise it but Blizzard couldn't give a shit what you think when they ban guilds for exploiting. Its their game. Justify it as much as you want, its still their game, their set of rules you play by. If they lose a single guild of people because of it, who cares? They have millions more still playing that don't exploit.
I can't agree that Guilds must suffer for Blizzard's incompetence. If they leave exploits, it's no ones fault if it's being exploted in PVE.
because them leaving bugs in is intentional? If you find an exploit - report it.
mirta000
Because human beings are flawless creatures who value principles above everything else? Punish test team if you must, not players for taking advantage of Blizzard's failure.
REgamesplayer You're misunderstanding the point. This attempt for banning players that use game mechanics is moralistic. Look at blizzard's terms and conditions they're overwhelmingly occupied with fairness.
Matt W
For selfishly wanting to save time, could you sum up why Blizzard's terms and conditions are fair? Also, why you consider banning players to be moral?
Uhhh. I disagree with blizzard's stupid terms and conditions. I'm not agreeing with it. I said blizzard tries to be moralistic about banning. In no way did I say I agree with this.
I agree with almost every single one of these, however, number 2 is kind of blizzards own fault. If they inplemented a spell which could place the target in an inpenetrable shield until they removed it, then it is their job to make sure you cant use it to anything other than what it is made for (Wipe recovery). This was probably the reason they didnt ban anyone who did it. Its not the player's fault. This is the case with most of the exploits, apart from the ones where you need to DC / relog or alter the game files. Anyway, love your videos. Keep it up! :)
Using your brain in a video game....the ultimate crime...
I'm surprised Martin Fury wasn't mentioned in this video? Karatechop the infamous level 80 gnome warrior who cleared Ulduar solo with an item accidently given to him by a GM
The title clearly says 'Exploits'. Martin Fury was mistake, not an exploit.
i'm actually surprised that the exxodus exploit on yogg+0 wasn't in the list, skipping out the entire hard part of phase 3 was inexcusable. but then again it's your list so fair enough =)
Fun Fact: Divine Intervention was named after a Slayer album
Great video and great content. I started playing WoW 1/2 way through Wrath and I had no clue of any of these exploits nor the actions taken by Blizz as well as those caught doing them. Was definitely interesting.
Lol @ those alts. Have to say I really like your videos keep it up mate =)
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Man, you make some of the best WoW-related videos I've seen on RUclips. Subbed for sure.
While i'll still defend anyone who uses exploits to this day (if it's in the game it's the dev's fault) the one where they edited the game files is just a straight up hack and they all deserved perma bans.
+i am da maasta well I agree however it's game dev's fault that the trash is so hard/long/boring that they decided that it's better to cheat and get banned than not cheating...
+Liam Neeson your a dumbass blizzard doesnt even know its there
natures profit maybe its blizzard with the dumb ass if they can't find the bug :/
+That One Finger Licker Yeah, the game only has, what, a few million lines of code?
How could they not catch things like this!
+Der Don huh thats the best exploiting comparision ive ever heard gonna use that one.I tip my fedora to u , Sir
The epic amount of nostalgia and thoroughly explained facets of the game that may or may not still be in the game are just a few of the reasons I LOVE these videos.
Ulduar Shirt exploit? anyone?
I have heard rumores about some alliance dude was accidently given a Shirt to equip that had the effect that on activating it, everything around the user in a range of 100 meters just dropps dead.
wasn't an exploit, its an "gm item only" an gm gave it to a player on accident. they shortly took it away from the player.
Yeh, it was a mistake that the shirt was handed to this player. And he exploited it. Thats what i mean^^ but whatever ;D
XD stiil cool, i would want it, it's wrothe a ban
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YEs ... and 0.02 percent drop chance of corupted dragon hawk :D
It was on the list, I scrubbed it yesterday in favor of LFR as it affected so many more people
that one with the blind dragon looked lagit to me. that really did look like clever tactics. get somewhere that your team has the "high ground" as it were and rain fire on the enemy. I look at it from a DM's (dungeon master) point of view. if I were preparing an encounter like that for my players I would INTENTIONALLY leave a spot on the map for them to try and find that would give them that exact advantage in the fight. and intentionally make the fight otherwise nigh impossible to win without that advantage. I think that was very smart on the part of that group to discover that.
Really awesome vid man, really enjoying these Big monday vids. hopefully they continue to get better everytime!
Funny vid, thanks for the upload
I've killed Onyxia since she was introduced, no one has ever kited whelps. ever. And that sound is direct from a hunter kiting drakes on razergore.
Where is the Exodus Yogg-Saron +0 world first 72 hour banning?
Im glad you included your number 1, At the start of the video i was expecting to have to post about that one myself. You are well versed in wow Lore and i commend you.
You delete my floor? I delete your characters!
Hey I don't know if any of you were there or even knew about it. But back in Karazhan you can run through a mountain on the side of a hill and get to Prince without clearing any trash at all. Doing this would allow the doors to stay open and you can pull Prince.....and stay out of the inferno field. Im guessing no one actually knew about it. But it was a very quiet exploit on my server. We actually got server first kill but no one really cared about it.
+dimitri fotiou Not only that but you could jump onto a pillar that was right of the entrance to Malchezzar and stand there the whole fight taking no damage from inferno either. Pure tank´n´spank
totally! It was boss and yet we still couldnt down him until we got the right group haha.
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I specifically remember the Saronite Bomb patch because I was using them along with a small group to sneak into the back walls of Wintergrasp. I was so effing livid at the time until a few months later when I heard about the UNINTENDED LK exploit.
Blizz logic: Put a big red button in the middle of stormwind saying "this will level you up by a level but don't press it lol" and ban people for it :^)
lol
Ahh Razorgore and BWL... what great memories...
The guild I was in at the time decided against using the known exploit as we knew it would eventually be fixed, so while other Alliance guilds were trying to progress to Chrommie, we were beating our heads against the Razorgore wall.
But I still remember the amazing feeling of when we first got him down and proceeded to clear the entire raid in one sitting due to learning synergy. And then the cherry on top when the fix came around and we were one of only 2 guilds on our server progressing past Razorgore for weeks.
Because of the thumbnail, I was hoping this would be some sort of exploit list pertaining to making some serious gold. Time is money, friend!
loved the video Preacher! AND loved the OldMan clip in the middle lol
Blizzard on lk25 world first : "We fucked up, and found the source, and since the player was a rogue he obviously was so much smarter than us that he already figured out the glitch before us, and how to exploit it, so we're going to ban the whole guild" Rofl...
Its very obvious that the rogue was using it for damage, and it was prob in his basic macro for dps rotation due to his professions... Banning one person for cheating if you have proof he was bragging about bugging the lich king fight with it sure, but I highly doubt that lol
The mondays videos are great preach! Keep em oming
IDK, I think the reck bomb should have been on this list. You did do a good job highlighting Blizzard's incredible inconsistency in administering bans, which continues to this day. One guild exploits a world first lk kill and gets a 3 day ban, another exploits to save a bit of time not killing trash they were capable of defeating legit and is perma banned. I'm not defending the second group as they did cheat, but in my view what they did was less harmful overall to the game than the first group.
They were altering game files. Sounds like a pretty oke perma ban in my eyes.
only for the elite few it had impact on the game. and their punishment was to be locked out from heroic world first, wich they would probably have been able to get. Altering game files on the other hand is just cheating. It has nothing to do with an exploit.
Both acts were cheating. As for only an elite few being affected? Thousands were affected in their runs for world first when they got the news it had been claimed and stopped trying for it, which is a far higher number of people than were affected by a guild getting a raid done a bit faster they could have cleared anyway. They should have been actioned sure, but cheating a world first is a MUCH bigger deal than skipping some trash.
" thousands" is by no means much when Millions play the game.
I can see you're willing to pretty much say anything to defend this blatant double standard in the treatment of these 2 guilds. There is little point arguing the point further when you haven't even actually addressed the last point and instead threw up a deflection which has nothing to do with the issue at hand.
An exploit I found in late Cataclysm:
When entering an LFR, I entered the dungeon journal, went into the raid I was currently inside, and set the gear filter to my class and spec. Then, all the items on that list were the only items that could drop, and was confirmed true. But that was changed as soon as MoP came out.
You could only mount up on the bug mounts that drop in the raid in AQ40 during Classic.
+acegamestv Don't forget, the red one is faster!
+acegamestv You can still use the mounts in there.
killerwasp102 I'm aware, was just saying during Classic, the ONLY mounts you were allowed to use in there were the ones that dropped. A pretty neat concept honestly. Wouldn't mind that coming back in some way.
+acegamestv Ah wow, I didn't know that, That is indeed neat! :D
+acegamestv Neat? I was in a guild that literally farmed the trash first trash pulls until everyone had one.
That audio is from a razorgore wipe, but it is the same guy who have the Onyxia wipe rage clip. There is also a Molten core one and probably a couple more hidden around youtube.
How is number 2 blatant cheating? If anything in this list is a clever use of game mechanics, it's that.
+Mellisco Well yes for most of it, except for the last one obviously!
+Mellisco flat-out skipping phases with no dps is not cheating? what are you on
+Mellisco Honestly besides the one where they altered the files I find all of it to be on blizzard's head than the guilds. And especially for the lich king bug with the platforms I think blizzard had their heads up their asses for that bann.
It's not what you skipped but how you skipped it.
Using of unintentional mechanic is exploiting. There is no "but".
There was one exploit I found that broke PVP. It was when the holy power system was first introduced. There was a trinket found in Molten Core, or some other Vanilla WoW instance that reduced the mana cost of spells by a small bit. When this trinket was paired with T1 and T2 Pally armor, it made Word of Glory an instant cast without having a holy power charge; as well as Templers Verdict. I legit could do WSG with all other enemy players on me just spamming WoG in T1 armor and could not be killed.
Yo mike im from future around 2019 here is da thing dont expoilt exp potion for lvling or u end up suspended for 31 days.
Love these kinds of videos preach, I enjoy watching them from time to time. :)
i really miss these.
should never be punnished for exploiting buggs. its the devs fault they are there
yeah, it's not like there are no bugs in every game ever...
Yes, every game has bugs, but its the devs fault for not properly testing the encounters before hand and by releasing bugged content they give full rights to exploit it.
SnuffmumriK ok maybe finding the bug and reporting it is sure but for EXPLOITING THEM... yeah im pretty sure its good to punish for that
It's not a bug if you alter the game files like in no.1 case, more like cheating.
My personal favourite was Ulduaar. A guild discovered if a mage cast "Blink" in a certain place when entering Yogg'Sarons rooms, he'd fall through the floor and into the brain room, happily skipping all phases and free to nuke his brain from the inside for an easy kill.
If that still exists then I need to try that.
Overrated - Shadowmoon Horde got perma ban because that's when Blizz could afford to lose players. Since around 2010 they can't afford to lose hardly anyone to anything. :p
The sound bite used in this video is from Razorgore. The confusion is the popular meme "More Dots". Originally a sound bite of an Onyxia raid by the EU guild Wipe Club, which has had several versions of different flash animations and audio remixes over the years.
Many people are not familier with the fact that a small group of Wipe Club members frequently recorded the guilds team speak line. Onyxia is not the only excellent audio clip from this guild. Just the most familier.
Feel like Im gonna get banned for watching this...
It's stupid to ban people for exploiting. Whose fault is it that those exploits are even possible? Good on Blizzard for eventually sucking it up and just fixing the loose ends they left in the game instead of banning.
> Plays a clip from the famous "Onixia raid wipe animation" Vid
> calls it vent recording from BWL
I am disappoint.
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Nope that's Dives raging on Razorgore, same guy as the Onyxia wipe animation.
Yeah Dives raging about wow was by no means a one time thing
There was another Blackwing Lair exploit back in the day for Razorgore. If a hunter pulled him and feigned death. He would reset and no adds would spawn. Making the egg breaking much easier.
My favorite usage of Divine Intervention: When cast, the spell would automatically dismount an ally player and freeze them in place. So, when bored, I would occasionally fly up close to a friend in my party and pop Divine Intervention on them. Their character would then be dismounted and frozen in a glowing bubble miles above ground. A right click or duration later and my buddies would be forced into a free fall to death.
Two things that caught my attention. Monk healers in that Atramedes *sp fight.. Tank with the shield that drops from Illidan in the vanilla BWL.
thi was such a good video, im so glad i subbed to u last week
There's no need to alter game files, you can jump through the wall by mounting+jumping around the corner by the second boss, still an exploit though but it makes me wonder if they actually did alter the game files or blizzard just couldn't figure out how they did it and made something up.
I have to agree. For some reason I've always found it alluring how people find ways to think outside the box, as it were. It's fascinating.
that trap door to C'Thun was amazing that people found that out :o
My personal favorite is mounting through walls. Yes, climbing with priestlevitate was fun because you got to areas you couldn't otherwise, but mounting through walls gave me access to the alliance part of dalaran as horde, ctun without any boss done prior, killing people through the floor and skipping just shitloads of things.
Another exploit in Vanilla to skip Razorgore trash was to have two hunters. One hunter would shoot the adds at the orb and instantly feign death, this would cause about a 1-2 second gap where adds couldn't spawn from the little squares on the sides/corners. Then the second hunter shoots the EXACTLY as they came back, before the guy reconnects the beam with the orb, then no adds would spawn from the little squares and you kill those 3 adds + razorgore and boss is done. I did that about 50 times back in Vanilla.
You could also jump on the left hand balcony using the lamp, mobs would target the players on the balcony, but also making them evade as they could not hit the said players.
Hey Preach. I like your videos, but what I think makes them slightly better is the ironical/questish/semiepic backgroud music you play. my question is: WHAT SONG/TUNE IS THIS !?! PLEASE REPLY :)) tyyy
haven't watched the entire video, but is the karazhan glitching into chess-event solo on the list? I remember doing that early in tbc :P got some sweet sweet loot from it too ;)
I think the biggest problem here is the "world's first" achievements. Without that, there would not be an incentive to do most of these things.
IMO #1 was actually an exploit in Molten Core. Before we were saved in raids between maintenance. We were saved for a full week from the moment the first boss was killed. Eminence on Blackrock US was eventually taking raids from other guilds on the last day of the save. Payment was that officers from the selling guild were allowed to attend and receive loot. But this meant Eminence was clearing Molten Core 7 times a week. I am sure they had planned with seven guilds to actually begin their raids on seven different days so they could do this. Ultimately the way raids were saved was changed to the time in between weekly maintenance so that this couldn't happen anymore.
In BWL, you could all hearth out when Razorgore was at 1-2% except and alt dps, alt healer, and alt tank. The loot for razorgore would only be accessible to the the alts but the lockout only applied to the alts as well. Replace the 3 alts after everyone zones back in and you can clear BWL as many times a week as you could. Guild got the week ban hammer.
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on the lich king kill, i played with one of their main raiders during that and he said, they found what was causing it and kept using it, they knew all along what was causing it.
For The Lich King one, since it was a World First, there's NO WAY that they could have know about that exploit, unless someone from Blizzard knew about it, didn't tell his/her co-workers about it or try to fix it, AND leaked that information to that specific Guild. What this means to me is that since they could not have known that the bombs would sometimes trigger such a bug (And that, as he said in the video, those bombs were generally used in standard rotations of engineers), any logically minded person would realize that they weren't justified in banning them.
Glenn the Frog The thing about that is its a world first WIN. for all they know there could have been dozens of attempts resulting in wipes where the guy does that by accident then realizes something's up.
Yes I know this has terrible grammar, but its 4 in the morning so idgaf.
robert weller but the thing is that even if they had noticed it happening, they almost definitely wouldn't know why. No one would just be like, "oh, I bet the reason the stage is coming back together is because of the saronite bombs! That makes perfect sense!"
Yeah I think im giving the wow community too much credit. >.>
robert weller To be fair, it was normal mode. Normal mode is a cake walk, as demonstrated when the same guild used their alts to kill Lich King again within the same week.
Heroic mode would not be available for another week, so there was no point in trying to exploit that fight either.
I don't know if I would categorize #1 as an exploit seeing as they were not taking advantage of a bug or such, if you count game modification, there are a TON of worse things that could be done.
what was that fps game in the top right of the split screen in the first min of the vid ? nice vid btw :)
Exploit 5: The same result (guaranteed set bonus), was not achievable without exploiting. Best you could get legitimately was a decent chance by having only one person need the loot in the raid.
People shouldn't get banned for helping blizz find flaws in their games.
People are paid to do that.
agree 100%
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Not really, as long as Blizzard finds out about it. Except that exploiting it is more fun than having it fixed immediately...
I think the most hilarious thing about the Ahn'Qiraj bug is that they didnt fix it completely. I found out that in WotLK that you could mount up in a spot under the staircase that would send you down and allowing you to skip the whole raid before C'thun. It might still be possible actually.
Nope, the clip was in fact from Razorgore wipe. It is the same raid leader / guild, though.
"Moar Dots" was from Ony, but the whole fear/kiting freakout was from Razorgore, which was featured in this video. Same guy freaking out, different fights.
I'd say the Paladin Divine Shield exploit is a pretty fair use of that ability. I think it's fair enough nobody got banned for that.
I wonder if you said the same thing if you were in a Horde raid. Also it doesn't make any RP sense.
Given horde now have paladins and Shamans had a powerful buff in the form of windfury, yeah I would. As for RP sense, that's subjective.
Nah if you were in a horde raid you would be too busy bitching about blessing of salvation for Vael and blessings in general if you didn't get a shaman in your group.
the BWL vent recording was dives from wipe club i was in that guild for a while (chromaggus/boulderfist eu). i got my bloodfang helm from onyxia, the infamous 'onxyia wipe' footage. dives is a cool guy. he mostly only plays bf3 nowadays. he doesn't rage.
Can't wait for next Monday! Fantastic
all these are well known exploits but you missed a few:
you missed the bwl nefarian (world? NA I think) first that exploited how raids worked by overloading the instance with 50+ players (not in the raid but just the instance) and cycled them into the raid as people died.
make raid of 40 people. 20 of them logout while the leader remembers their names (because it's all the people in your guild of rank 'raider'). all 20 of those log to warlock alts to soulstone the other half. now do the same in reverse to soulstone the first half. now relog through another rotation to have your second raid team join the same instance. pass leader to the second troupe. you now have a single raid instance with 120 players 'saved' to the id. everybody pulls as normal. as anybody dies and expends their soulstone they relog on to an alt and the RL invites them through a keyword (CTRA /rakw command) automatically. you thus can cycle as many bodies/alts as you want to thwart hard content you don't have the real gear for yet (for those who didnt loot t2 from MC when it existed). BC fixed most of this except the warlock alt abuse.
blizzard attempted to hotfix this and screwed it up so bad that you had raids comprised of horde+alliance combined and one faction getting loot drops from chromaggus exclusive to the other side (alliance got shaman loot, horde got paladin). less lucky players were teleported to the hills above ss/tm.
the same mechanic was also used to cascade raid boss kills by cycling the leader of the raid as loot drops were tied to the leader and not all players in the raid. want to run the content and farm gear? just bring in a new raid leader to eat a save id and the other 39 can be the same players. an even more advanced version of this abused the ibaa seed which was based on the instance save id (that used to be shown in the raid interface) to predetermine loot drops. this was also modified prior to naxx arrival but still discernable.
likewise you made no mention of the infamous jump macro bug (do a jump and sit in the same macro at the same time) and you would levitate above the ground and ignore all ground aoe effects with a height of 50 (gnome ankles). it was also used to great effect to get anywhere in the game beyond what simple wall walking achieved because you could repeatedly use this macro to gain any altitude as long as you didnt move laterally. you'd noggerfogger to get slow fall and then jump where you wanted to land. this survived the entirety of 1.x of the game and was only patched in a hotfix/restart a few days prior to 2.0 releasing and removing the ability to jump through a macro and making it and other abilities only viable through hardware events (same thing killed autodecursive, ctra emergency monitor and so on) and was a well guarded secret for the longest time.
there were multiple cases of lagswitching to bypass instance soft walls (doors that unlock after you kill boss X) that has plagued wow since day one as well.
these are the raid relevant ones I could think of.
How many bosses have been exploited with door ways? I remember using that strat on Twin Valkyries, completely bypassing the fight mechanics
Do you remember the paladin onehitting Lord Kazzak in vanilla? Paladins just got their talents redone (1.9 i think) and got the old reconning in prot. It gains you a buff after receiving a critical hit that gives you an additional weapon swing with your next attack. and it stacked. Indefinately. So a pala took a roguefired to Kazzak and dueld hi for about 3 hours straight, got over 1000 stacks one oneshotted Kazzak.
I think the next day blizz added a 5 stack cap
I remember hearing about that and a few mages on my server did it, but never heard of any of them getting banned. They kept a horseman alive and kept spell stealing his shield right?
I find it strange that the GCD exploit wasn´t discussed. Was the list limited to PvE exploits?
For anyone that doesn't know what I'm talking about: it was possible to change the game files in such a way, that you would have a shorter GCD in arena.
Is the screaming guy the same as the dude from the onyxia wipe animation?
i think that voice recording from a ''razergore wipe'' is actually from a onyxia wipe
I was hopping to see the Heigan dance exploit (=. Took a while for it to be fixed and was pretty common among pugs.
It wasn't, that's from a famous Onyxia vvideo, raid leader from Wipe Club on my realm, Boulderfist EU.
Well done Preach, you are really coming into your here- great vid
Great video! Great comedy! I'd like to watch more of these :D
Very good commenting! Also that last exploit was pure genius on the guild's part.
What abour Martin Fury? You must have heard about the crazy shenanigans in ulduar with that crazy shirt.
My favorite raid exploit ever was how my guild got it's very first princess huhuran kill in AQ40. At a certain low percentage she started to chain cast poison bolt volleys over and over at the 15 closest players. Those players would then equip a zandalari potion of spell reflection (required some ZG turn ins). It would cause all of her poison bolts to reflect back to her for the entire duration and killed her in seconds. Of course the following week we killed it the proper way... :)
I really like these past few videos Preach good job
Killing C'thun when it was current content is easily my proudest gaming moment, and probably the highlight of my gaming life. But holy crap, that run back was unjustifiable. If I hadn't been so blindly addicted to the game I wouldn't have tolerated it.
I quite agree, the only kiting done on that fight is when you do it solo now for the mount grind...96 and counting :-)
I didnt have an issue with the saronite bombs at all. They were using them on all boss fights way before Arthas.