So anyone else remember luring a hapless victim in about 6 feet of water back in vanilla, then chain sapping them until they started drowning, then when the drown damage pulled them out of sap, start the cheapshot-kidneyshot combo to drown them in a puddle barely deep enough to swim in?
Sokolniki I liked to sap people and then hide while they tried to find me. Once in AB I had like 3-5 hordies all ignore guarding the flag and spamming every aoe on the planet, because this one hapless blood elf mage left in charge of the mine on his own kept getting messed with, and they kept sending people to help. Every single chance I got, i'd attack the flag on my own just to meddle with them gaining resources. I think that we actually won that round; though I know I helped a little and it was a nice feeling, I had the most fun just messing with those guys xD
I actually enjoyed leveling lockpicking back then. And i still get sad when I see those Poison and Reagent vendors who have no purpose whatsoever anymore :/
Jimmy man I’ve been thinking about playing rogue when classic arrives, of which I’m completely fine with leveling lockpicking and poisons. However I can never tell just how much competition there will actually be for raid spots and gear etc, and how much of it is just exaggeration
Try legacy of the hunter, where you had to buy the arrows you fired, and use a bagslot to carry them, and having to leave raids because you ran out of arrows midfight.
also back in the day when hunters could have a staff and a ranged weapon or two one handed weapons and their ranged weapon, as well as when they had a small group of spells that were meant for when a hunter winds up in close quarters combat.
The only thing I miss about classic rogue was being able to make a ton of cash from opening lockboxes for people, because rogues who bothered to cap lockpicking were pretty rare.
I liked that too :D even the grind training it up had its moments to offer. Being stuck in that dwarven hold in the badlands got pretty tense/exciting, and diving for boxes off the shore of desolace got me so experienced It was just a sideways step into my druids quest for seal-form My favorite aspect of that part was finding where the places to train it were, then planning it all out like a mini-adventure of your own. good stuff. I'm glad they keep lockboxes and pickpoketing in the game.
Same. My rogue kept lockpicking maxed out as he leveled. Dont forget people paying you to open doors to some raids and dungeons that could be picked. Good times.
I would love a legacy video for Mages. Tons of material as they used to be mechanically sought out for: 1. In vanilla, you could not see buffs that enemies had, but mages had a "reveal magic" spell that did the trick. Extremely helpful for that one boss in AQ20. 2. Portable vending machine, yeah mages still get flack about this but being able to instantly summon a bunch of food and drink for people was pretty awesome. Now it's trivial as people have feasts abundant. 3. I would say that the spec a mage would play as has probably been the most volatile out of any class as the patches went out. Now it's frost, now it's arcane, now it's fire, now back to arcane. I unfortunately came in late vanilla so while i didn't get to experience the glory days in it's full glory, i would still like to know how mages ranked compared to other classes.
+BurakkuHishou In vanilla Mages were pretty much the only reliable form of reliable recastable crowd control and the strongest spammable AOE in dungeons. It's hard to remember with all the AOE spam in WoW today but it was exceedingly rare in most classes and was usually limited to 1 skill on a cooldown. Sap had a chance to fail and required stealth, fear caused more wipes than anything, frost trap required you to set up and pull the trap in front of the mob with a cooldown and non "pure" dps? not worthy of any CC at all! In most groups if you didn't have a Warrior tank and a Mage, the dungeon simply wouldn't happen or would be much much harder.
I remember standing in Shattrath and suddenly I read "Player has pick pocketed 1g from you." 15 times! I didn't know what to do, he just laughed at me and logged off.
You missed the most important fact in the Legacy of the Rogue.... From Beta, all the way through Cataclysm... Vanish was broken in PvP. It was screamed form the rooftop in the rogue forums every... single... patch. People suggested millions of ways to reliably, and completely fix the Vanish ability, but it always remained... if you vanish, the enemy's auto-attack will ALWAYS hit you on their next swing, taking you out of stealth. It was to the point in the end of Vanilla WoW that rogues stopped bothering with Vanish all together because it wasn't worth the cost of the reagent. The only rogues who used it effectively were the ones that simply used it as another button in their rotation in order to enable the Cheap Shot or Ambush ability to be used a second time. It may as well have just been another "Preparation" button, because there was less than one hundredth of one percent that you would hit vanish, and actually be able to get away. Also in the Rogue Legacy, until recently rogues had always been on a steady DPS decline in PvE Raids. They started as the kings of DPS, and every patch it incrementally decreased in relation to their other-class peers (to the point in WotLK that Feral Druids were trouncing an equally geared rogue in DPS). There were raids where rogues were simply left out because "why would I bring a melee-range rogue that takes healing to survive, when I can take a warlock that never gets hit and does more DPS ?"
My second toon was a female NE rogue. I've made and leveled so many, pvped through vanilla, BC, Wrath, and now WoD (I took a long break right after Cata was released, and came back at the end of MoP), raided MC and touched on BWL, topped dps charts frequently, and in general loved the ability to select a target, kill it, then gtfo. Stealth is my bread and butter, and being a trolly dick in bgs is fantastic. With all that, and having played every class, I keep coming back to my rogue. They're just great.
I just love these stories, so far I've recognized myself in it, everything he says is just common sense, it's just straight out correct. 100%. One of the best guys out there would be Preach, he's like the only one that can talk non-stop for Hours and actually be correct rofl.
+Boyd Mulders The ignorance amongst the people of the internet amazes me. I stopped watching the moment he said that any dirt could be blinding powder and how stupid it's crafting was. It's fine to a degree to be ignorant but insisting that you are correct on top of it...
Having to make your poisons an blinding powered was what made it feel like an RPG. Now a days the RPG side of MMOs has gone away, MMOs have just become lets see how quickly you can get to end game fuck leveling fuck exploring the game an actually experiencing all the that made RPG great.
I don't play anymore but I still come back and watch these. :) I started in BC as a Warrior. I have to say I went back to play a couple months ago and the class is just not the same as it was, I miss stance dancing the most.
I know im late to the Party. Just wanted to say that i actually really enjoyed the rouge in vanilla. The class quests, lockpicking and making poisons for your blades. In my Opinion it was pretty awesome. ❤️
the rogue's legendary dagger quest in cata was one of the funnest I have ever done. very challenging and rewarding. I can't think of another class that really challenged them as much as that one.
More Legacy videos!!! They are the best! Such a trip down memory lane. I loved every second and was watching the walking dead waiting for it to end just to watch Rogue/Paladin . YEA I just said that .. Let that sink in. So make more!!!
I think rogue was my first majorly leveled class ever. I remember back when I was still a trial account, playing my human rogue, farming the mobs by the waterfall west of Stormwind's front gate for money to buy better weapons, selling all my loot to vendors because the auction house was an inaccessible mystery, and I was about 10 years old. Back when you could still skin sheep for wool, ooh boy. *cash register sounds* It was a simpler time.
Very cool. I haven't been able to play since TBC due to injury; so it's great to see a retrospective breakdown of all I've missed. Would love to see more.
Awesome tribute to my favorite class to this day !!!! Brings back so many memories as well and some good abilities and some glad to be gone abilities. I have been playing a combat rogue as my main since first rolling her at the end of Burning Crusade and I have never looked back even thru all the nerfs and xpacs and I look forward to taking her into the new awaiting adventures in WoD !!! Thanks for the nostalgia !!
Thank you for making videos like this I watched the one on pallys as well. I started playing during the end of cata so I like watching videos that cover the old playing styles etc...in the game to learn. Thanks again!
Flavor of the Month Socialist not that insane considering game has 3 new classes atm. And I think it's safe to say some of ex rogues are DKs or DHs now.
This video was made in Throne of Thunder when rogues were kind of crap unless you wanted to learn subtlety's complicated rotation. There are a lot more rogues now.
I love my Rogue. My first toon. And still my main. Watching this I had forgotten how much we have changed over the years. The hell of leveling lockpicking and poisons must have been blocked out my mind. I also remember complaining like hell when I had to give up my Combat spec. Although now I do enjoy assasination. Once change not mentioned is Stealth. Back in the day when it slowed movement speed right down. I almost wept with joy when it got a speed boost
Back then sword rogues were the scariest motherfuckers you will ever meet, you would see the rogue, then they kill you then leave. Ahh, the good ole days of rogues. I was in a assassin guild, we ganked so many groups, we got targeted. Lmaooaoaoa.
Good shit. It's interesting to take a look back at how the Rogue has evolved. I'd love to see all of the classes get a complete history break down like this. Druids next please!=)
I don't if it was brought up, but there are some things I want to point out: 1) If you are talking about "Tricks of the trade" you should have mentioned that they were cast on cooldown throughout all the fight for +6% damage of the targeted (by rogue) person, so it was abused by rogues (me and guild rogue were macro tricking each other on cd) or was sometimes used on other classes for bonus dmg (threat wasn't a problem, besides many had their tools) 2) Assassination buff came out during Trial of the crusader, I remember when I respec-ed full ARP combat rogue with 232 weapons into assassination with 206 and 209 daggers and my dps has significantly risen. 3) Bugged shadowstep allowed to access the room on that battleground with walls (where one team attacks from the ship and the second defends the room with some titan relic), which results in quick win 4) The Killing spree had disastrous mechanic besides saving from valkyrie. On some fights it could send rogue under textures or to certain death (like on Leviathan porting from turret to his body on the ground). Nevertheless, great vid!
I can do a legacy of the Warlock: Vanilla--Kick ASS! OP'd and fear actually scared people. BC--a little bit of change, but still pretty awesome. WOTLK: Fear is no longer scary and is broken and pew pew is more like ppphh. Cata: Terrible. MOP: I don't know, I haven't really played it because the game mutated.
This was great Preach my main is my rogue and I love the class. The rogue was the first toon I rolled in wow and is still my favorite. I started wow at the tail end of TBC. Thanks for the viseo.
I just stumbled onto your videos. I've watched a few, and I must say you are highly entertaining and very knowledgeable about WoW. Keep up the great work!
Great video! I've mained a rogue since vanilla. You really nailed some vital points for rogues. When Cloak of Shadows came out I was blown away. Then they gave us a renew??? Things sure have changed. I would have mentioned the golden OP BC days of having Adrenaline Rush AND preparation. Maces with mongoose. Extra random stun. Good game.
i actually enjoyed all that having poisons and lockpicking felt good leveling and felt good your only class that can do that also the heal needs mats for some spell another reason why wow has been made to easy.and like you said that rogue were thieves now wow trying to turn in to some pirate wich makes no sense rogues were like spies now blizz trying to say the rogues are pirate or have pirate roots which make rogue a stupid class to me.i know it was alittle weird at first for lock pick and all that but it entertained you and make you feel like actual rogue to bad thats gone.
It's not really rogue appealing, but honestly i like that we have 3 different themes now. Wanna bleed out your enemy and give them a slow painful death? Assassination is the spec for you. Wanna fight toe to toe and use dirty tricks to bring down your opponent? Fight like a pirate with the outlaw spec. Not something for you? You'd perhaps rather want to be a ninja with unlimited mobility and fleet footed? Subtlety is your bby. Looks good to me :)
blinding powder is a specific type of powder that burns the eyes, making the "blinding" last longer. the name isn't actually blinding powder irl but it basically makes you ABLE to open your eyes but it would hurt allot and you are likely to blink constantly and even cry. it can be poisonous too, if eaten (obviously) but i think it is more extreme sickness than death.
well my guild is great its just a small guild and im dating my guild leaders daughter so I say its a great guild and a rouge with legendarys can out dps healers and tanks
FatherFizz That's not being closed minded, it's called having a life. Plays every class, NOBODY in the world has time to level up all classes. Are you out of your fucking mind?
What classifies as a "life" to you, Derp? For one thing, it's very possible. And if you believe a "life" to be earning a wage, being in a relationship and engaging in an active social life, for example: Preach is paid, he's married, and.. need I go on? Or have you got the picture? Facts aside: You'll understand how it all works when you eventually get out in the world yourself buddy. It's not as black and white as your head is telling you it is.
The video missed that Rogues were the first class to break 100,000 DPS in Wrath. Yes, 100,000 Assassination rogue in the rooms leading up to Sindragosa. Because poisons were not affected by the AoE cap.
Thank you for posting these video's. I stopped playing after Cats but this was an amazing trip down memory lane, good times and bad haha. Very much looking forward to the other classes. Thanks again, really made my day :D
There is a very undocumented glitch that happened between 1.11 and 1.12 where you were able to actually use lockpick on any item in your inventory for a level up. I don't know how long the glitch was active but some random rogue told me in a WSG and I used it to level the last 100 points of lockpicking by unstacking my poisons. Also I can't believe you over looked juggling 3 daggers before poisons got changed.
the thing about stuff as blind costing a reagent is that it connects parts of the game, which leads to a better immersion. all things which you can do with one click (travelling for instance) flatten out the immersive game experience.
Probably the best video you have made IMO. (I started on a rogue in vanilla and have always had a special place for it...even now when I don't play wow ;p ) I would love to see a full series of this!
I don't know about everyone else, but in Wrath, I was able to keep up with Assassination as a Subtlety, not better, but never lagging far behind, and certainly never last in my raid groups.
Great vid. I'm looking forward to the Hunter video. I truly miss the days of having to carry ammo for my ranged weapon...and running out on long raids. Good thing they let hunters use thrown weapons back then.
The old blind used to be a poison effect as well. Dwarf stoneform would break it. I remember the rage I would cause other rogues in duels and world pvp with that. Oh well, it was kind of fun. At the end of my WoW days I liked my rogue the most, and while I was never big on pve after BC on my rogue it was still one those classes that I just enjoyed playing. Also, cheers to anyone who also knew this, explosive decoys used to toggle pvp...all those poor low levels in westfall.
Wow that rogue in that arena part was named Joolnoret, which was the name of one of my characters. It's a legendary warrior from one of the Butlerian Jihad prequel novels from Dune.
i almost threw up when i saw the bars at 13:10
So anyone else remember luring a hapless victim in about 6 feet of water back in vanilla, then chain sapping them until they started drowning, then when the drown damage pulled them out of sap, start the cheapshot-kidneyshot combo to drown them in a puddle barely deep enough to swim in?
jesus christ, talk about abuse
I see you're a true rogue at heart.
I used mindcontrol with a friend that stunned him while i casted
;)
nah, it's all about sapping people at the dock in Booty Bay and making them miss the boat then waving at them as you sail off into the horizon
Sokolniki I liked to sap people and then hide while they tried to find me. Once in AB I had like 3-5 hordies all ignore guarding the flag and spamming every aoe on the planet, because this one hapless blood elf mage left in charge of the mine on his own kept getting messed with, and they kept sending people to help.
Every single chance I got, i'd attack the flag on my own just to meddle with them gaining resources. I think that we actually won that round; though I know I helped a little and it was a nice feeling, I had the most fun just messing with those guys xD
I really want a "Legacy of the Shaman" :D
Prime Kronos that would be kool
yes please
shaman shaman shaman
Prime Kronos same
Manatide bitch ;_;
these legacy eps are my favorite of its breed of preach vids.
You could say they where a good eyedea.
Bleu Boy fak u blu b0y
Please continue your work on this series. I think it is awesome. Please proceed with Mage :)
+Теодор Кирязов
The next one'll be Warlock. Due in January next year, or thereabouts!
+Oldangr how do u know that?
Jotun90
He's said it in quite a few videos, Tweets and Streams. Hype!
Ah ok :D sweet
+Теодор Кирязов waiting for the shaman.
I actually enjoyed leveling lockpicking back then. And i still get sad when I see those Poison and Reagent vendors who have no purpose whatsoever anymore :/
Yea I always double take and wonder if they have a purpose still
I've been bitter about this since the pre-wotlk patch. Just went downhill from there
Jimmy man I’ve been thinking about playing rogue when classic arrives, of which I’m completely fine with leveling lockpicking and poisons. However I can never tell just how much competition there will actually be for raid spots and gear etc, and how much of it is just exaggeration
@@tdmc6428 did you play? What did you think of it
Try legacy of the hunter, where you had to buy the arrows you fired, and use a bagslot to carry them, and having to leave raids because you ran out of arrows midfight.
Or make sure you stock up before raids.. like a good hunter :)
Alesandros356 I always had like 5k arrows at all times, I was paranoid about running out in an important situation
Alesandros356 and hunters used mana =D
also back in the day when hunters could have a staff and a ranged weapon or two one handed weapons and their ranged weapon, as well as when they had a small group of spells that were meant for when a hunter winds up in close quarters combat.
+Jack J good hunter? never heard of that class
If one wants to be a rogue, one must be undead. This class screams undead thief assassin!
I was and forever will be an Undead Rogue.
I remember sitting on org bank spamming chat to open peoples lock boxes for tips. Good old days.
XD
The only thing I miss about classic rogue was being able to make a ton of cash from opening lockboxes for people, because rogues who bothered to cap lockpicking were pretty rare.
indeed!
I liked that too :D even the grind training it up had its moments to offer. Being stuck in that dwarven hold in the badlands got pretty tense/exciting, and diving for boxes off the shore of desolace got me so experienced It was just a sideways step into my druids quest for seal-form
My favorite aspect of that part was finding where the places to train it were, then planning it all out like a mini-adventure of your own. good stuff. I'm glad they keep lockboxes and pickpoketing in the game.
Perid0tStar That also gave us those great quests hehe, loved em... i rem that dwarven hold too, and that friggin elemental killing me every time
Same. My rogue kept lockpicking maxed out as he leveled.
Dont forget people paying you to open doors to some raids and dungeons that could be picked. Good times.
what you talking about ? i was 68 lockpick xD
I'd like to see you do a video for the hunter class. How every weapon was a hunter weapon.
Yeah, terrible days when you're a rogue and a Huntard ninjas that nice dagger away from you. :c
Or when you were a hunter, and that punk ass rogue ninjaed Envoy of Mortality from KT from you ;)
I miss these videos so much, I come back to watch them every now and than....
Once and always a rogue.. only reason i stay in this game honestly.
+Tripod Fay Hear hear!
+Tripod Fay
i played for 8 years 6 as rogue and when i become bored with dps i went holy priest
I would love a legacy video for Mages. Tons of material as they used to be mechanically sought out for:
1. In vanilla, you could not see buffs that enemies had, but mages had a "reveal magic" spell that did the trick. Extremely helpful for that one boss in AQ20.
2. Portable vending machine, yeah mages still get flack about this but being able to instantly summon a bunch of food and drink for people was pretty awesome. Now it's trivial as people have feasts abundant.
3. I would say that the spec a mage would play as has probably been the most volatile out of any class as the patches went out. Now it's frost, now it's arcane, now it's fire, now back to arcane.
I unfortunately came in late vanilla so while i didn't get to experience the glory days in it's full glory, i would still like to know how mages ranked compared to other classes.
+BurakkuHishou In vanilla Mages were pretty much the only reliable form of reliable recastable crowd control and the strongest spammable AOE in dungeons. It's hard to remember with all the AOE spam in WoW today but it was exceedingly rare in most classes and was usually limited to 1 skill on a cooldown. Sap had a chance to fail and required stealth, fear caused more wipes than anything, frost trap required you to set up and pull the trap in front of the mob with a cooldown and non "pure" dps? not worthy of any CC at all! In most groups if you didn't have a Warrior tank and a Mage, the dungeon simply wouldn't happen or would be much much harder.
I remember standing in Shattrath and suddenly I read "Player has pick pocketed 1g from you." 15 times! I didn't know what to do, he just laughed at me and logged off.
Subscribing to Preach was one of the best decision i have made on youtube.
You missed the most important fact in the Legacy of the Rogue....
From Beta, all the way through Cataclysm... Vanish was broken in PvP.
It was screamed form the rooftop in the rogue forums every... single... patch. People suggested millions of ways to reliably, and completely fix the Vanish ability, but it always remained... if you vanish, the enemy's auto-attack will ALWAYS hit you on their next swing, taking you out of stealth. It was to the point in the end of Vanilla WoW that rogues stopped bothering with Vanish all together because it wasn't worth the cost of the reagent. The only rogues who used it effectively were the ones that simply used it as another button in their rotation in order to enable the Cheap Shot or Ambush ability to be used a second time. It may as well have just been another "Preparation" button, because there was less than one hundredth of one percent that you would hit vanish, and actually be able to get away.
Also in the Rogue Legacy, until recently rogues had always been on a steady DPS decline in PvE Raids. They started as the kings of DPS, and every patch it incrementally decreased in relation to their other-class peers (to the point in WotLK that Feral Druids were trouncing an equally geared rogue in DPS). There were raids where rogues were simply left out because "why would I bring a melee-range rogue that takes healing to survive, when I can take a warlock that never gets hit and does more DPS ?"
Still is....
I can't believe this video came out in 2013... Still re-watch occasionally today. Great series.
My second toon was a female NE rogue. I've made and leveled so many, pvped through vanilla, BC, Wrath, and now WoD (I took a long break right after Cata was released, and came back at the end of MoP), raided MC and touched on BWL, topped dps charts frequently, and in general loved the ability to select a target, kill it, then gtfo. Stealth is my bread and butter, and being a trolly dick in bgs is fantastic. With all that, and having played every class, I keep coming back to my rogue. They're just great.
Please do a part 2 of the older Legacy vids! Would love to see more of the Rogue in particular! =D
love these vids! hope you do all classes!
Ahh man I remember being the Rogue class officer way back when we were starting MC, never rerolled either. Rogues for life.
I still have 4 stacks of each origional poison on my rogue
Nice.
I still have some of the totems that you needed to carry around in order to throw each class of totem.
I have Thistle tea from vanilla :D It's back tho in LEgion lol
I still have my Certificate of thievery lol
I still have
I just love these stories, so far I've recognized myself in it, everything he says is just common sense, it's just straight out correct. 100%. One of the best guys out there would be Preach, he's like the only one that can talk non-stop for Hours and actually be correct rofl.
+Boyd Mulders The ignorance amongst the people of the internet amazes me. I stopped watching the moment he said that any dirt could be blinding powder and how stupid it's crafting was. It's fine to a degree to be ignorant but insisting that you are correct on top of it...
Having to make your poisons an blinding powered was what made it feel like an RPG. Now a days the RPG side of MMOs has gone away, MMOs have just become lets see how quickly you can get to end game fuck leveling fuck exploring the game an actually experiencing all the that made RPG great.
End game content was probably one of the worst things ever to have happened in WoW. Completely destroyed what an MMORPG should be
I don't play anymore but I still come back and watch these. :) I started in BC as a Warrior. I have to say I went back to play a couple months ago and the class is just not the same as it was, I miss stance dancing the most.
Legacy of DROOOOOOOOOOOD plz
we've had so many changes, it'd be a great video.
I know im late to the Party. Just wanted to say that i actually really enjoyed the rouge in vanilla. The class quests, lockpicking and making poisons for your blades. In my Opinion it was pretty awesome. ❤️
Pls make a warlock one. Love your vid bdw :)
Due in January
+Christopher Kendall Wtb legacy of the warlock plox
+Malacious Pvp out now and it was awsome
Rogue has been my one and only class for the last 7 years. I love it more than any other class.
Druid needs one of these
i was just thinking that too, druid was my first character.
the rogue's legendary dagger quest in cata was one of the funnest I have ever done. very challenging and rewarding. I can't think of another class that really challenged them as much as that one.
Can't wait to see hunter
More Legacy videos!!! They are the best! Such a trip down memory lane. I loved every second and was watching the walking dead waiting for it to end just to watch Rogue/Paladin . YEA I just said that .. Let that sink in. So make more!!!
can you do the The Legacy of the Warlock
I agree, it's what i've played as my main since vanilla
That would be AMAZE. But I don't think preach is much fond of warlocks
***** Remember when warlocks did competitive dps? you know, before warlords of wodnor?
OTCStitches I think you are confused because Demo warlock is 2nd overall in Blackrock Foundry on warcraft logs.
equoowe That post was before BRF was out, or not, i can't remember
I think rogue was my first majorly leveled class ever. I remember back when I was still a trial account, playing my human rogue, farming the mobs by the waterfall west of Stormwind's front gate for money to buy better weapons, selling all my loot to vendors because the auction house was an inaccessible mystery, and I was about 10 years old.
Back when you could still skin sheep for wool, ooh boy. *cash register sounds* It was a simpler time.
more legacy videos do warrior next
I agree, Legacy of the warrior NEXT!
Omg please finish these. Some of my favorite vids. Really brings me back.
Shoulda mentioned Rogues being able to tank 25 man raid bosses by stacking dodge gear, one solod gruul the dragonkiller
Very cool. I haven't been able to play since TBC due to injury; so it's great to see a retrospective breakdown of all I've missed. Would love to see more.
The legacy of the Priest!! Please!!
Awesome tribute to my favorite class to this day !!!! Brings back so many memories as well and some good abilities and some glad to be gone abilities. I have been playing a combat rogue as my main since first rolling her at the end of Burning Crusade and I have never looked back even thru all the nerfs and xpacs and I look forward to taking her into the new awaiting adventures in WoD !!! Thanks for the nostalgia !!
Legacy of the Warlock, please please please, so much content, lol
Thank you for making videos like this I watched the one on pallys as well. I started playing during the end of cata so I like watching videos that cover the old playing styles etc...in the game to learn. Thanks again!
Crazy to think now rogues only make up like 7% of characters... Wonder what Vanilla rogue numbers were. 15%?
Flavor of the Month Socialist not that insane considering game has 3 new classes atm. And I think it's safe to say some of ex rogues are DKs or DHs now.
This video was made in Throne of Thunder when rogues were kind of crap unless you wanted to learn subtlety's complicated rotation. There are a lot more rogues now.
Also, the addition of new classes since Vanilla diluted the pool a bit.
I love my Rogue. My first toon. And still my main.
Watching this I had forgotten how much we have changed over the years. The hell of leveling lockpicking and poisons must have been blocked out my mind.
I also remember complaining like hell when I had to give up my Combat spec. Although now I do enjoy assasination.
Once change not mentioned is Stealth. Back in the day when it slowed movement speed right down. I almost wept with joy when it got a speed boost
Back then sword rogues were the scariest motherfuckers you will ever meet, you would see the rogue, then they kill you then leave. Ahh, the good ole days of rogues. I was in a assassin guild, we ganked so many groups, we got targeted. Lmaooaoaoa.
Watching again in 2017, still great. The nostalgia is real, thanks Preach!
Legacy of the hunter!
Just watch the "Meet the hunter video" xDD
Good shit. It's interesting to take a look back at how the Rogue has evolved. I'd love to see all of the classes get a complete history break down like this. Druids next please!=)
I used to be a rogue back in the day.. good times
the big videos involving how things were before and how they are now are definitely my favorite
I actually miss making poisons and leveling lock picking lol
I don't if it was brought up, but there are some things I want to point out:
1) If you are talking about "Tricks of the trade" you should have mentioned that they were cast on cooldown throughout all the fight for +6% damage of the targeted (by rogue) person, so it was abused by rogues (me and guild rogue were macro tricking each other on cd) or was sometimes used on other classes for bonus dmg (threat wasn't a problem, besides many had their tools)
2) Assassination buff came out during Trial of the crusader, I remember when I respec-ed full ARP combat rogue with 232 weapons into assassination with 206 and 209 daggers and my dps has significantly risen.
3) Bugged shadowstep allowed to access the room on that battleground with walls (where one team attacks from the ship and the second defends the room with some titan relic), which results in quick win
4) The Killing spree had disastrous mechanic besides saving from valkyrie. On some fights it could send rogue under textures or to certain death (like on Leviathan porting from turret to his body on the ground).
Nevertheless, great vid!
pff, i don't get it how people can spell rouge wrong....
i always spell ''rouge'' like rogue, why not?
Or that people acually did play Spell Rogue, as in Spellpower Posion Rogue in Tbc
rouge is a color, it is indeed spelt like rogue
It's a joke, i was spelling wrong on purpose
Yes i know rouge is red in french thx
Lol... you should've known people wouldn't get that that was a joke ;)
I'm relatively new, I joined in CATA. So it was interesting to see these classes develop, thanks.
I can do a legacy of the Warlock: Vanilla--Kick ASS! OP'd and fear actually scared people. BC--a little bit of change, but still pretty awesome. WOTLK: Fear is no longer scary and is broken and pew pew is more like ppphh. Cata: Terrible. MOP: I don't know, I haven't really played it because the game mutated.
They are broken as crap in MoP. Even after several nurfs they are still crazy.
trust me warlock in mop is the most overpowerd thing that ever was in WoW for example chaosbolts that hit for over 4 million damage wtf
I loved the reference to World of Roguecraft! That is still my favorite WoW video series.
Do one on Hunters! Please!!!!
This was great Preach my main is my rogue and I love the class.
The rogue was the first toon I rolled in wow and is still my favorite.
I started wow at the tail end of TBC. Thanks for the viseo.
Whos that in the picture?
I just stumbled onto your videos. I've watched a few, and I must say you are highly entertaining and very knowledgeable about WoW. Keep up the great work!
#RavenholdtOrRiot
Lilyofthemyst Right? that intro is sooooo awesome.
Great video! I've mained a rogue since vanilla. You really nailed some vital points for rogues. When Cloak of Shadows came out I was blown away. Then they gave us a renew??? Things sure have changed.
I would have mentioned the golden OP BC days of having Adrenaline Rush AND preparation. Maces with mongoose. Extra random stun. Good game.
i actually enjoyed all that having poisons and lockpicking felt good leveling and felt good your only class that can do that also the heal needs mats for some spell another reason why wow has been made to easy.and like you said that rogue were thieves now wow trying to turn in to some pirate wich makes no sense rogues were like spies now blizz trying to say the rogues are pirate or have pirate roots which make rogue a stupid class to me.i know it was alittle weird at first for lock pick and all that but it entertained you and make you feel like actual rogue to bad thats gone.
It's not really rogue appealing, but honestly i like that we have 3 different themes now. Wanna bleed out your enemy and give them a slow painful death? Assassination is the spec for you. Wanna fight toe to toe and use dirty tricks to bring down your opponent? Fight like a pirate with the outlaw spec. Not something for you? You'd perhaps rather want to be a ninja with unlimited mobility and fleet footed? Subtlety is your bby.
Looks good to me :)
blinding powder is a specific type of powder that burns the eyes, making the "blinding" last longer. the name isn't actually blinding powder irl but it basically makes you ABLE to open your eyes but it would hurt allot and you are likely to blink constantly and even cry. it can be poisonous too, if eaten (obviously) but i think it is more extreme sickness than death.
my rouge can out dps my whole guild combined
then ur guild's dps sucks.....
well my guild is great its just a small guild and im dating my guild leaders daughter so I say its a great guild and a rouge with legendarys can out dps healers and tanks
***** Did you really just say "A rogue with legendarys can out DPS healers and tanks" like really?
At least spell your class name right. Damnit, 90levels and 200 hours later you still spell it Rouge :I
***** Bro, seriously? Tanks sacrifice dmg for survivability and healers are just healers you scrub
Legacy of the Druid please … and yes I’m commenting on a 10 yr old video … love rewatching these
You're a rogue?
He plays everything.
Open your mind you odd one.
FatherFizz
That's not being closed minded, it's called having a life. Plays every class, NOBODY in the world has time to level up all classes. Are you out of your fucking mind?
What classifies as a "life" to you, Derp? For one thing, it's very possible. And if you believe a "life" to be earning a wage, being in a relationship and engaging in an active social life, for example: Preach is paid, he's married, and.. need I go on? Or have you got the picture?
Facts aside: You'll understand how it all works when you eventually get out in the world yourself buddy. It's not as black and white as your head is telling you it is.
FatherFizz How is asking someone if they play a class, being close minded?
FatherFizz
You don't fucking know me, punk.
LOVE the little CGI where the figure pops up in your hand! You are gettin pretty fancy there, Preach! WTG!
The video missed that Rogues were the first class to break 100,000 DPS in Wrath.
Yes, 100,000
Assassination rogue in the rooms leading up to Sindragosa.
Because poisons were not affected by the AoE cap.
Thank you for posting these video's. I stopped playing after Cats but this was an amazing trip down memory lane, good times and bad haha. Very much looking forward to the other classes. Thanks again, really made my day :D
Man i love the rogue,the class i have always enjoyed.I love the silent assassin feeling , i love Pick pocketing its just a great class
Loved it! Rogue was and still is my favorite class to play.
I wish preach would make these for the other classes I love these videos
During WotLK I stayed Sub mainly. If timed just right and with a bit of haste armor you could keep someone stunned for 17 seconds straight.
honestly can't wait for classic to come out, know your gonna have the best content ever when it releases
Genius idea for a video series preach! Really enjoying these! :D
I remember this now :) haven't thought about this for a while :) hehe.. aaaah the memories.. grinding poisons and lockpicking haha
Man, I loved playing a rogue in vanilla. It was a mark of pride having full lockpicking and poison, as well as the ability to make thistle tea.
There is a very undocumented glitch that happened between 1.11 and 1.12 where you were able to actually use lockpick on any item in your inventory for a level up.
I don't know how long the glitch was active but some random rogue told me in a WSG and I used it to level the last 100 points of lockpicking by unstacking my poisons.
Also I can't believe you over looked juggling 3 daggers before poisons got changed.
the thing about stuff as blind costing a reagent is that it connects parts of the game, which leads to a better immersion. all things which you can do with one click (travelling for instance) flatten out the immersive game experience.
I think everyone agree that you should make one a these videos for every class. Awesome video and keep the good work up man!
i can't wait to see ALL the classes (loved the transition music on this one, btw!) keep up the good work and fresh content!
Great vid Preach! Bringing back some memories of me playin my rogue.
Such a great series, I always find myself returning.
Probably the best video you have made IMO. (I started on a rogue in vanilla and have always had a special place for it...even now when I don't play wow ;p ) I would love to see a full series of this!
I don't know about everyone else, but in Wrath, I was able to keep up with Assassination as a Subtlety, not better, but never lagging far behind, and certainly never last in my raid groups.
Great vid. I'm looking forward to the Hunter video. I truly miss the days of having to carry ammo for my ranged weapon...and running out on long raids. Good thing they let hunters use thrown weapons back then.
The old blind used to be a poison effect as well. Dwarf stoneform would break it. I remember the rage I would cause other rogues in duels and world pvp with that. Oh well, it was kind of fun. At the end of my WoW days I liked my rogue the most, and while I was never big on pve after BC on my rogue it was still one those classes that I just enjoyed playing. Also, cheers to anyone who also knew this, explosive decoys used to toggle pvp...all those poor low levels in westfall.
This is one of my favourite preach videos good job
in 2007, it was world of warlockkraft.fears that lasted forever, no diminishing returns.Oh god the fun times.I remember fearkiting people in tanaris.
This was an awesome idea for a video. I really look forward to watching the other vids of classes
Legacy videos are nice. I wanna state, that background picture, awesome drawing.
Awesome video man! Brought back a lot of fond memories of WoW. Subscribed!
Wow that rogue in that arena part was named Joolnoret, which was the name of one of my characters. It's a legendary warrior from one of the Butlerian Jihad prequel novels from Dune.
I remembered how I used to get very good tips for opening lockboxes in Vanilla when most rogues don't lock pick.
Please finish the Legacy series for every class! Hunter and Shaman are needed!
I love these vids - so original and well put together. ty Preach.
Preach is the smartest guy ive ever seen when it comes to WoW! Keep it up man!