I'm not famous and there are a million ways to do this. This is one way.. Tap your thigh and count a beat. Example: Mix it up 1234 123and 4 and 1234, so you get some rythmic dynamics. I usually construct my chord progression off a groove. Then I get the mood of the tune, so a vocal melody comes more organically. I try to make a chord variation at this point to get a chorus melody. This is often the high part of the vocal, so I determine the key for my vocal range. At this point i have established the melody, the pace, the mood, the groove, and the key. It's time for a main idea lyrical hook. I build all the verses to support that idea and write within the boundaries of the structure I created. There are a lot of ways, but this way is logical and gets results.
Very cool! I used to follow a very similar process (and often still do). In the last few years, I've experimented with other approaches too. My favorite (at the moment) is to write all of the music (melody, lyric, rhythm, etc.) at the same time, slowly, one-line-at-a-time. It feels like discovering the song in real time, in my head. I don't know if it results in better songs, but it's pretty fun 😅
@JordanSeal Thanks. I don't want to give an impression that i follow a set process every time, or that anyone should. It's more like tools, if I'm not feeling it. Sometimes, a cool riff happens, because I messed up. If the music is coming in dreams, go with it.
--> "berklee book of jazz harmony" Very cool. Looks a book right up my alley. :-) I found one online. Thanks for this. Writing better lyrics & the rhyme-book from Pat, have been in my studio for years. . Thumbs up.
I hope you enjoy it! I got something out of every chapter, and most of it is still waaaaay above my head. But it's nice to push myself from time to time 😊
There's also "How to Write a Hit Song and Sell It" by Tommy Boyce (1975). Boyce & Hart wrote the #1 Monkees song "Last Train to Clarksville" as well as other hits.
"I don't know if I can show this to you on RUclips without a copyright problem but I'm going to" AND THAT! Is how you fucking do it ladies and gentlemen. Not overboard self censorship
@@JordanSealI assume you're in America 🇺🇸 ( judging by your accent ) . I'm watching from Sydney Australia 🇦🇺 . ( I know this could sound like a silly question ) Could you please make a video on how to find a credible songwriting class/course in any viewer's area/state ? ♑️✍️🇳🇴🇦🇺
Berklee Songwriting professor Jack Perricone's "Great Songwriting Techniques". It does "require" understanding basic theory & harmony. All books by Pat Pattison.
Thanks for the video. I got the first two books, and I'm very interested in the Beatles recording book. I like the Robin Frederick books (Shortcuts to hit songwriting and Song starters) One book I really want to point out is: The Song Machine (how to write a hit) by John Seabrook. That was just so inspiring to read. The book is largely about songwriter Max Martin and his mentor Denniz Pop, but it also has some great (pop)music history woven throughout. It's a very entertaining read with a lot of gems about modern music production & songwriting.
Writing Music for Hit Songs, Jai Josefs. It will change your music writing life. I’ve had the book since Summer, 1990. There’s an updated version of it as well.
Hello sir im a beginner wanting to learn about lyric writing could you please suggest which book should i refer I've already bought writing better lyrics by pat Pattison now im trying to buy essential guide to songwriting by pat pattison Thank you.
Great question. Writing Better Lyrics is my favorite book on that topic. I also think it's helpful to study other people's lyrics... in songs you like, and in songs you don't. That can help you observe elements of writing style that you might incorporate into your own work. Hope that helps!
I am totally ignorant of Rooksby's larger catalog... but based on how much I love the Writing Songs on Guitar book, I'm very interested. What do you recommend?!
@@JordanSeal the easy answer? All of them, in the first edition, if possible. Rikky Rooksby has twelve books dealing with every aspect of songwriting. I covet these books. I wouldn't loan them to my best friend. Amazon offers his complete catalog. An invaluable resource. “Songwriters on Songwriting” by Paul Zollo is great. As is, “Tunesmith” by Jimmy Webb.
Think of an album like a movie or a book. Directors and writers order their scenes and chapters in a very specific way to illuminate narrative and thematic content, and in any good film or piece of literature, each section builds off the others so that there’s a satisfying conclusion. But at the same time, it’s not something that calls attention to itself, since each part works together organically to make this seamless whole. Are album 💿 are like a movie 🍿 or book 📖 or only movie or book 📖 or both movie 🍿 🎥 and 📖? Overall, 34% of people enjoyed the book, compared to 27% who preferred the movie. Although 82% of those surveyed agreed that "screen adaptations help books come to life," 46% of people argued that film adaptations "would never be as good as the book." Almost 25% declared that movies even ruined the original book.
I've never thought about that... if I had to pick, I'd say an album is like a book, and tracks are like chapters in the book... but movies and books generally each need more unity than an album. So maybe an album is most like a compilation of short stories by the same author? That's the best I can do haha.
@@JordanSeal I concur 👍 with you. ALBUM (Lat. albus, white), in ancient Rome, a board chalked or painted white, on which decrees, edicts and other public notices were inscribed in black. The Annales Maximi of the Pontifex Maximus, the annual edicts of the praetor, the lists of Roman and municipal senators (decuriones) and jurors (album indicum) were exhibited in this manner. In medieval and modern times album denotes a book of blank pages in which verses, autographs, sketches, photographs and the like are collected. It is also applied to the official list of matriculated students in a university, and to the roll in which a bishop inscribes the names of his clergy. In law, the word is the equivalent of mailles blanches, for rent paid in silver (“white”) money. Overall, 34% of people enjoyed the book, compared to 27% who preferred the movie. Although 82% of those surveyed agreed that "screen adaptations help books come to life," 46% of people argued that film adaptations "would never be as good as the book." Almost 25% declared that movies even ruined the original book. The medieval and modern meaning of album, as a book of blank pages in which verses, autographs, sketches, photographs and the like are collected, derives from the Roman use. This in turn led to the modern meaning of an album as a collection of audio recordings issued as a single item on CD, record, audio tape or another medium. What origins the word album came from?
@@JordanSeal I totally 👍 💯 concur 👍 aka agreed 👍 with you Jordan. Album 💿 are book 📕 📖 it does have specific details and that’s something I didn’t know about when I was listening to a record I was listening to newsboys not ashamed and it has 10 tracks aka 10 chapters and it is about 42:12 aka 42:07. And it’s a full length album but it is a book 📖 too.
You can't do worse than alot of these professional songwriters on YT. Alot of the videos either don't say shit, because they want you to buy books or pay for seminars, they're not good at communicating while speaking (ironic) even though their books are good...or some just fucking suck and it's an act of god that they are a professional in the first place.
Trust me, I hear you: I've taken the clickbait on many songwriting videos and been very disappointed. Hence my "why should you take my advice" disclaimer 😅
I'm not famous and there are a million ways to do this. This is one way.. Tap your thigh and count a beat. Example: Mix it up 1234 123and 4 and 1234, so you get some rythmic dynamics. I usually construct my chord progression off a groove. Then I get the mood of the tune, so a vocal melody comes more organically. I try to make a chord variation at this point to get a chorus melody. This is often the high part of the vocal, so I determine the key for my vocal range. At this point i have established the melody, the pace, the mood, the groove, and the key. It's time for a main idea lyrical hook. I build all the verses to support that idea and write within the boundaries of the structure I created. There are a lot of ways, but this way is logical and gets results.
Very cool! I used to follow a very similar process (and often still do). In the last few years, I've experimented with other approaches too. My favorite (at the moment) is to write all of the music (melody, lyric, rhythm, etc.) at the same time, slowly, one-line-at-a-time. It feels like discovering the song in real time, in my head. I don't know if it results in better songs, but it's pretty fun 😅
@JordanSeal Thanks. I don't want to give an impression that i follow a set process every time, or that anyone should. It's more like tools, if I'm not feeling it. Sometimes, a cool riff happens, because I messed up. If the music is coming in dreams, go with it.
--> "berklee book of jazz harmony" Very cool. Looks a book right up my alley. :-)
I found one online.
Thanks for this.
Writing better lyrics & the rhyme-book from Pat, have been in my studio for years.
.
Thumbs up.
I hope you enjoy it! I got something out of every chapter, and most of it is still waaaaay above my head. But it's nice to push myself from time to time 😊
There's also "How to Write a Hit Song and Sell It" by Tommy Boyce (1975). Boyce & Hart wrote the #1 Monkees song "Last Train to Clarksville" as well as other hits.
Thanks for the recommendation! I'll have to check that one out: it's my preferred era anyway. And thanks for watching!
great video man, gonna check all of these out
Thanks for watching!
Loved this video! Thanks man
Glad you enjoyed it!
Cool video man. I'll check out some of those books.
Thanks for watching!
"I don't know if I can show this to you on RUclips without a copyright problem but I'm going to"
AND THAT! Is how you fucking do it ladies and gentlemen. Not overboard self censorship
Thank you! Ill check these books out. You have been very helpful and liked the way you explained things!
Thank you, and I'm glad to help! That's the goal!
@@JordanSealI assume you're in America 🇺🇸 ( judging by your accent ) . I'm watching from Sydney Australia 🇦🇺 . ( I know this could sound like a silly question ) Could you please make a video on how to find a credible songwriting class/course in any viewer's area/state ?
♑️✍️🇳🇴🇦🇺
Berklee Songwriting professor Jack Perricone's "Great Songwriting Techniques". It does "require" understanding basic theory & harmony. All books by Pat Pattison.
It’s a like late for Santa, but that’s going on some kind of “future buying” list. Thanks!
hey, thank you very much for creating this awesome video man. its very awesome
Thank you for watching it! Hope it was helpful.
Thanks for the video. I got the first two books, and I'm very interested in the Beatles recording book. I like the Robin Frederick books (Shortcuts to hit songwriting and Song starters) One book I really want to point out is: The Song Machine (how to write a hit) by John Seabrook. That was just so inspiring to read. The book is largely about songwriter Max Martin and his mentor Denniz Pop, but it also has some great (pop)music history woven throughout. It's a very entertaining read with a lot of gems about modern music production & songwriting.
Thanks for those recommendations! I'm fascinated with Max Martin and had no idea there was a book about him: I'll definitely check that one out!
Writing Music for Hit Songs, Jai Josefs. It will change your music writing life. I’ve had the book since Summer, 1990. There’s an updated version of it as well.
I’ll have to look it up… Thanks!
Can tracks can also be called chapter like chapters in a book jonathan like example track 1 chapter 1?
Hello sir im a beginner wanting to learn about lyric writing could you please suggest which book should i refer
I've already bought writing better lyrics by pat Pattison now im trying to buy essential guide to songwriting by pat pattison
Thank you.
Great question. Writing Better Lyrics is my favorite book on that topic. I also think it's helpful to study other people's lyrics... in songs you like, and in songs you don't. That can help you observe elements of writing style that you might incorporate into your own work. Hope that helps!
@@JordanSeal thank you for your reply sir
Could you suggest any book that help to build fundamentals in lyric writing
Thank you.
I have every book Rikky Rooksby ever wrote on songwriting in both 1st and 2nd editions. 🙄
I have Pat Pattison's book, as well. A must-read!
I am totally ignorant of Rooksby's larger catalog... but based on how much I love the Writing Songs on Guitar book, I'm very interested. What do you recommend?!
@@JordanSeal the easy answer? All of them, in the first edition, if possible.
Rikky Rooksby has twelve books dealing with every aspect of songwriting. I covet these books. I wouldn't loan them to my best friend. Amazon offers his complete catalog. An invaluable resource.
“Songwriters on Songwriting” by Paul Zollo is great.
As is, “Tunesmith” by Jimmy Webb.
Pat is good
I loved that particular book, and have returned to it a few times. But I've never read any of his other stuff. Any recommendations?
Think of an album like a movie or a book. Directors and writers order their scenes and chapters in a very specific way to illuminate narrative and thematic content, and in any good film or piece of literature, each section builds off the others so that there’s a satisfying conclusion. But at the same time, it’s not something that calls attention to itself, since each part works together organically to make this seamless whole. Are album 💿 are like a movie 🍿 or book 📖 or only movie or book 📖 or both movie 🍿 🎥 and 📖? Overall, 34% of people enjoyed the book, compared to 27% who preferred the movie. Although 82% of those surveyed agreed that "screen adaptations help books come to life," 46% of people argued that film adaptations "would never be as good as the book." Almost 25% declared that movies even ruined the original book.
I've never thought about that... if I had to pick, I'd say an album is like a book, and tracks are like chapters in the book... but movies and books generally each need more unity than an album. So maybe an album is most like a compilation of short stories by the same author? That's the best I can do haha.
@@JordanSeal I agreed 👍 Jordan.
@@JordanSeal I concur 👍 with you. ALBUM (Lat. albus, white), in ancient Rome, a board chalked or painted white, on which decrees, edicts and other public notices were inscribed in black. The Annales Maximi of the Pontifex Maximus, the annual edicts of the praetor, the lists of Roman and municipal senators (decuriones) and jurors (album indicum) were exhibited in this manner. In medieval and modern times album denotes a book of blank pages in which verses, autographs, sketches, photographs and the like are collected. It is also applied to the official list of matriculated students in a university, and to the roll in which a bishop inscribes the names of his clergy. In law, the word is the equivalent of mailles blanches, for rent paid in silver (“white”) money. Overall, 34% of people enjoyed the book, compared to 27% who preferred the movie. Although 82% of those surveyed agreed that "screen adaptations help books come to life," 46% of people argued that film adaptations "would never be as good as the book." Almost 25% declared that movies even ruined the original book. The medieval and modern meaning of album, as a book of blank pages in which verses, autographs, sketches, photographs and the like are collected, derives from the Roman use. This in turn led to the modern meaning of an album as a collection of audio recordings issued as a single item on CD, record, audio tape or another medium. What origins the word album came from?
@@JordanSeal some people perfer both book and movie others perfer only book 📖 and only movie 🍿.
@@JordanSeal I totally 👍 💯 concur 👍 aka agreed 👍 with you Jordan. Album 💿 are book 📕 📖 it does have specific details and that’s something I didn’t know about when I was listening to a record I was listening to newsboys not ashamed and it has 10 tracks aka 10 chapters and it is about 42:12 aka 42:07. And it’s a full length album but it is a book 📖 too.
You can't do worse than alot of these professional songwriters on YT. Alot of the videos either don't say shit, because they want you to buy books or pay for seminars, they're not good at communicating while speaking (ironic) even though their books are good...or some just fucking suck and it's an act of god that they are a professional in the first place.
Trust me, I hear you: I've taken the clickbait on many songwriting videos and been very disappointed. Hence my "why should you take my advice" disclaimer 😅
the patison book I got is terrible.....his utube talks are ok.
Which one did you read, and what did you dislike about it?