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Motocross Action's 2022 450 Shootout

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  • Опубликовано: 14 авг 2024
  • #motocross #dirtbike #racing #shootout
    After many long days of testing and racing all 7 of the major 450 motocross bikes; our hands are callused, our dirty air filter pile is over flowing, our bikes are well used and our conclusing on which 2022 450 motocross model is best has been decided. Motocross Action is a true to life magazine and media company that's been around since 1973. We test by racing continuously over months and months. Then we gather opinions from a multitude of test riders factoring each riders' personal biases. We'll think you'll find your winner in this shootout because the perfect bike for you is right here in the details. We spent the past 7 months racing these bikes, living with them, fixing what broke, and learning about each bikes' strengths and weaknesses. We have over $68,000 worth of motorcycles, weighing in over 1,600 pounds, and producing over 400 horsepower on the dyno! These our the bikes of the 2022 Motocross Action 450 Shootout.
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Комментарии • 355

  • @enacku
    @enacku 2 года назад +178

    I'm just waiting for the day that Suzuki gets 2nd to last, it's gonna happen in my lifetime I know it.

    • @featheredindian
      @featheredindian 2 года назад +9

      Lol, true, but one thing that Suzuki have is a bike suited to a larger rider, I raced them for years because of that exact reason. They are softer all round though, as in the hardware, nuts and bolts, gears, and just in general.but I feel any person at a lower level than an A rider just can’t tell the difference between most of these bikes. Just my opinion. But yes they will be last next year😂😂 not too sure if this is true, but aren’t Suzuki, Kawasaki, and honda coming together as one to develop the electric bike for 2028?

    • @psychosneighbor1509
      @psychosneighbor1509 2 года назад +22

      I bought the 2018 RM-Z 450 which means I still have a brand new bike! lol

    • @jeredalmeida1880
      @jeredalmeida1880 2 года назад +2

      It'll happen when Yugo gets resurrected and builds a bike through Fiat's R&D team.

    • @mikeandrews1899
      @mikeandrews1899 2 года назад +7

      Man , when I first raced my '77 RM100 , Suzuki was a kick ass motorcycle ... .. and Husqvarna and KTM sucked and was going out of business 🤔

    • @ColeCrapo
      @ColeCrapo 2 года назад +1

      No its not they are too bad

  • @TeoZMuff313
    @TeoZMuff313 2 года назад +9

    The best reviews in the industry hands down

  • @harleyrider9640
    @harleyrider9640 2 года назад +30

    I really like the gas-gas..I'm thinking about getting a mc250 2-stroke because I can actually maintain one without going broke.

    • @janainasousa1889
      @janainasousa1889 2 года назад

      Uqol
      Loppp

    • @Davido50
      @Davido50 2 года назад +2

      Get a new bike! Nothing more fun. Both 2-stroke & 4-stroke are awesome. I own both. My newer machines tho are ALL 4-stroke ..they hold there value & romp all others @ my local track. -Ohio

    • @joslinnick
      @joslinnick 2 года назад

      4-strokes are great, but god help you once you start having engine problems. Once my RMZ450 started requiring frequent valve adjustments, the problems never stopped. I'm happily riding a TC125 now.

  • @dekancaine
    @dekancaine 2 года назад +11

    Get what u like and make it urs. They all have their ups and downs. I got the 22 crf450 and I love it. Did gold valves. Thing is sweet. Rode the kawi and ktm before I made my purchase. I’m happy with it

    • @Olsson229
      @Olsson229 2 года назад

      I did buy crf450 2022 before i tested it. And i love it!

    • @Davido50
      @Davido50 2 года назад +1

      I'm ridin /racin a '22 KTM for next 2yrs. I buy a new bike every 2yrs. My issue w/Honda is very little race support overall it seems. Can't support that . I'm huge MX fan!

    • @Davido50
      @Davido50 2 года назад +1

      Enjoy Bro! Run Maxima *full synthetic* 10w40/10w50 *after* break-in & engine will last longer. Guaranteed! OEM filters a must.

    • @Davido50
      @Davido50 2 года назад

      @@Olsson229 Glad you like it ..it looks sweet ..but you might've liked a new KTM or Gas Gas/Husky MUCH better. Austria is on top by FAR in MX. Hands dwn. No comparison.

    • @Olsson229
      @Olsson229 2 года назад

      @@Davido50 u mean 2022.5/2023? Yeah, i think i would like it also. But gonna runt this honda for 2 years now and Who knows, mabye its a ktm in The garage in 2023

  • @American_Enigma
    @American_Enigma 2 года назад +31

    Great job with the shootout! I was struggling between the FC450 and the YZF450 recently and ultimately pulled the trigger on the Yamaha. I have primarily ridden Austrian bikes since 2016, with the exception of my 2019 CRF450r (classic case of it's the right bike for some but it wasn't for me. I couldn't stand the suspension on the Honda...loved the motor though). I love the lowered suspension on the FC, as motocross bikes have gotten too tall, which definitely makes it feel more nimble in the corner. I had always thought the ergos and handling of the YZ450f wouldn't suit my style...and then I rode the bike. I love the motor, power tuner app. and the KYB suspension is the best stock setup money can buy and it corners so much better than people give it credit for. I run the sag at 103 and front fork height at 5mm (I actually like the handle bars in the forward mounts as well) and because the bike is so planted and comes into a corner with unrivaled stability, I actually end up cornering faster than I did on my previous Husqvarna...which was hard for me to wrap my head around. I also love how easy the setup is and I don't have to mess with air forks anymore. I have to do the WP Pro Conversion kits (cone valve) on my Husqvarna/KTM models to achieve a similar high quality feel and even then I still like the KYB more. Needless to say, I'm very impressed with the Yamaha.

    • @jacobhendrickson8935
      @jacobhendrickson8935 2 года назад +8

      I have always stuck with the Yamaha, always have and always will. Everything else just feels generic to me. Sloppy and not as tight tolerance wise. I’m a CNC machinist so notice the quality in the workmanship more than most. I feel it even more on their street bikes. The Yamahas just feel as though every piece on the bike has been manufactured at a tighter tolerance than everything else. The only one that I’ve felt compares is the Honda. The KTM I’d never even consider after seeing others have issues getting parts for there 4 to 5 year old bikes. I don’t buy a new bike every year. At best I may update every 4 but since I ride the YZ 250 I’ve not needed to update since 06!! I do have a 2013 though and don’t see buying another unless Yamaha makes a totally all new YZ250. Now that would be awesome and very possible being they just did a new 125.

    • @jackbrown7787
      @jackbrown7787 2 года назад +5

      I bought the 2021 and I love it. It does feel big at a stand still but once you get going it does everything you want it to do I never once felt fatigued from anything that wasn't my own fault. Yamaha nailed it with these

    • @jacobhendrickson8935
      @jacobhendrickson8935 2 года назад +4

      @@jackbrown7787 no doubt plus you add in the fact that they are well known as the most reliable, and most power as well. It’s all a win win situation.

    • @jonathondavis170
      @jonathondavis170 2 года назад

      @@jacobhendrickson8935 Why wouldn't you want to get the updated 2022 YZ250??? Every magazine has had fascinating results with lap times on the updated YZ250 because of updated suspension, chassis, and airbox/air induction! They kept that low-end grunt character but boosted power, feel, agility, and stability. :)
      I'd say totally wait a year or two, but if not seen by then just purchase this newest version of the YZ250 and rock it!!! It's an amazing and fun machine! Then purchase the new BRC YZM500 engine for it, and drop it in that chassis! 👌 Then you got 60+HP and 50+ ft-lbs of torque!!! Not to mention you can get all kinds of upgrades like Hygge Works Cone Pipe, CDI and map selector switch, decompression switch, high compression cylinder head, port & polish etc. And the engine can be fully rebuilt using CR500 parts! And did I mention this engine is less than $7k USD, and counter-balanced with a triple-blade power-valve!!????? lol
      Also everyone forgets the performance and reliability of the Italian TM Racing off-road motorcycle manufacturer! I've owned Suzuki, Honda, Husqvarna, Yamaha, and now my TM Racing EN300ES 2 stroke and this is hands-down one of the best machines I've ever had, and I've owned Yamaha, Husqvarna, & TM since 2016 - all brand new off the showroom floor, and all engine, chassis, and suspension modified. These bikes are so phenomenal that I'm even thinking of saving for their new 2022+ MX450Fi to add to my 300cc 2 stroke. But Honda & Yamaha always have a hold on me - it's almost family tradition with these two brands, as that's what my father and brothers all own, as well as the rest of our family. :) It truly is a great time to be riding!

    • @jackbrown7787
      @jackbrown7787 2 года назад +1

      @@jonathondavis170 I originally wanted a 2 stroke but I'm tired of kicking bikes I the yz250 would have came with an e start I would have gotten it. I'm a bit older so I'm sure it wouldn't matter for a younger guy

  • @Davido50
    @Davido50 2 года назад +10

    MXA is indeed the "GOAT" of magazines, testing, advice & articles. Best of best in my opinion👍. Been reading their mag since late 80s. Keep up the great work for us MX addicts! #KTM #Yamaha #Maxima

  • @barnescycle
    @barnescycle 2 года назад +18

    Drop that 250 shootout guys. MXA all the way 🤜

    • @motocrossaction
      @motocrossaction  2 года назад +3

      We are working on it. Just taking out time.

    • @barnescycle
      @barnescycle 2 года назад

      Quality options are worth the wait. I have the 2022 Honda but I know what a tough field of competition that there is. Just wish mine was sprung for 200lb chubby vet 😂

  • @spacejaime
    @spacejaime 2 года назад +8

    Best filming and editing by MXA, ever. The ultra short take @8.07- to -8:10 above G.H. hill is worth a million bucks! Too short for many to appreciate. Awesome video ! Thanks. 👍

  • @kananisA75
    @kananisA75 2 года назад +12

    Guys I love your videos but you keep having the same problem in your edits, the sound level of the bikes and the music is way too high compared to the sound level of your voice, the result is a video that you have to always change the Volume. Just my 2 cents.

    • @motocrossaction
      @motocrossaction  2 года назад

      Sorry if its not working for you. All speakers and output are different on computer/cell phone/tv plus RUclips compression. It is balanced when it leaves our hands to the best we can. Sometimes that varies on device. We will try to get it closer for you

    • @JamieFleuret
      @JamieFleuret 2 года назад

      @@motocrossaction what about sidechain compressing the music and bike audio to voice? should make it easier to hear :)

  • @joshmosiman1955
    @joshmosiman1955 2 года назад +35

    Travis you killed it on this video! Great job! The stage shots came out so sick.

    • @Davido50
      @Davido50 2 года назад +1

      He rocks! MXA #1.

  • @brandoneliasson
    @brandoneliasson 2 года назад +7

    Really like the new Yamahas nice job adding all that blue looks great.

  • @ryanxmx31
    @ryanxmx31 2 года назад +4

    Glad you guys are consistent from last year alot of other guys put the yamaha in front and it never changed much from last year

  • @2smoking.and.4stroking
    @2smoking.and.4stroking 2 года назад +19

    Best 450 moto reviews like always. My only comment - "Bargain Bike Winner - Suzuki?" It is only 600 less than the Yamaha and you'll get 2x that back when you resell the Yamaha. Not to mention the Yamaha is twice the bike. $600 dollars, that's like 6 tanks of gas - Suzuki has given up. Let's keep it real.

    • @joshmosiman1955
      @joshmosiman1955 2 года назад +4

      Thanks Luis! And yes, when you look at it that way, I totally agree! We didn't mention it as much in this video but we have before, we factor in that Suzuki dealers often lower the prices on RM-Zs after a few months because they're a lot harder to sell than a Yamaha.

    • @2smoking.and.4stroking
      @2smoking.and.4stroking 2 года назад

      @@joshmosiman1955 , definitely. Great videos! Keep up the good work!

    • @StrykerV8
      @StrykerV8 2 года назад +1

      6 tanks of gas? Lol what

    • @2smoking.and.4stroking
      @2smoking.and.4stroking 2 года назад

      @@StrykerV8 $4/gallon x 25gallons/tank x 6 tanks = $600

    • @StrykerV8
      @StrykerV8 2 года назад +3

      @@2smoking.and.4stroking that's amazing math, thank you. Which of these dirtbikes has a 25 gallon tank?

  • @Kawiboy
    @Kawiboy 2 года назад +2

    Now that's an INTRO 👊.. BOOM! KUDOS MXA OLD G 😉

  • @keonemacaranas7241
    @keonemacaranas7241 2 года назад +4

    Best shoot out so far 👍👊

  • @siyz250
    @siyz250 2 года назад +1

    Great analysis guys. I like how you break down what bike is best for "Vet, Pro, Working Class". Definitely gives more insight into the bikes pros and cons. Si, Christchurch, New Zealand.

  • @mccaingriffith5543
    @mccaingriffith5543 2 года назад +3

    Y’all should do a factory/race edition 450 shootout

  • @thomaskight4620
    @thomaskight4620 2 года назад +22

    Yeah that FC450 you can have it. My engine blew it 22 hours with 18 oil changes and filters. Carbon fiber subframe cracked in half my linkage cracked that's made out of carbon fiber and my front axle broke during a race. Too thin and too hard up front. Just sold it thank God. Picked up the 2022 YZ450F. Love the taller seat and power delivery.

    • @StrykerV8
      @StrykerV8 2 года назад +10

      An oil change every hour? 😳

    • @mountainmonkey172
      @mountainmonkey172 2 года назад +1

      @@StrykerV8 😂

    • @avitferdiansyah1792
      @avitferdiansyah1792 2 года назад

      i think the bullet prof engine is not bullshit 😂

    • @TonyRidesDirtbikes
      @TonyRidesDirtbikes 2 года назад +3

      Bullshit

    • @peaceprayer595
      @peaceprayer595 2 года назад +1

      @@StrykerV8 my friend put an oil filter in backwards once too. Funny thing is, amount of hours becomes irrelevant...she'll blow. Never personally knew a front axle to broke b4 the wheel would blow up.

  • @CycleCruza
    @CycleCruza 2 года назад

    I can attest to the bullet proof reliability of the Yamaha. I made a street-legal 2019 YZ450FX supermoto back in 2018 and still have yet to even check the valves or do a top end on my bike and ir rides better than it did new. All I did was change the oil every 8-10 hrs, air filter twice and clean/lube the chain. I haven't even had to adjust the chain! I rip the hell out of this bike on the streets and even rip it on the highway and I have not had a problem. It gets 42 MPG avg with all street riding. Yamaha is #1 to me, I love all of their bikes. I used to be a Honda fanboy.

  • @jeffwarrack9059
    @jeffwarrack9059 2 года назад +26

    Funny how the Husky won again when ALL the other shootouts by different magazines nobody picked it 1st, or even 2nd and had major issues with handling and suspension. Cause of the lowered suspension, it sits to low in the stroke. WTF don't believe me check out the other shootouts!

    • @ryanxmx31
      @ryanxmx31 2 года назад +4

      I think it depends on rider height tall guys seem to hate the husky

    • @Davido50
      @Davido50 2 года назад +1

      Get Yamaha or KTM they best bikes in shoot out. I rode a bunch luckily as my buds here in Ohio are hardcore MX guys & buy lots new bikes every yr!

    • @Jake_Hynds
      @Jake_Hynds 2 года назад

      bribed test riders lol

    • @peaceprayer595
      @peaceprayer595 2 года назад +5

      All the other magazines ride the bikes for a few days at most. MXA just raced these things for seven months. They also don't get paid or take free bikes or free trip to Japan from the manufacturers for picking their bike as the best. I van buy any bike I want. The husky is the best bike I've ever ridden for all the reasons stated here plus more.

    • @beverywhereyouare
      @beverywhereyouare 2 года назад

      Husky rocks ... all others SUCK !

  • @stickvortex
    @stickvortex 2 года назад +3

    I like how the main complaint about the Yamaha is that it’s too loud lmao. Not really performance related but I guess it’s worth pointing out.

  • @togepi21
    @togepi21 2 года назад +3

    22:40
    Wonder if the cooling issues are the same as the previous generation... Shame to hear haven’t heard much about that on the new ones until now.

  • @StrykerV8
    @StrykerV8 2 года назад +3

    Love my 2020 60+ hp crf monster!!

  • @bradpowell843
    @bradpowell843 2 года назад +11

    I’m 6’4” and hate the lowered suspension on the Husky, the KTM works better for tall guys.
    I can see shorter guys liking the lowered suspension.
    The Honda with a re valve is an entirely different bike.

    • @Hanibul_Lecktor
      @Hanibul_Lecktor 2 года назад +2

      You ain't feeling 10mm, the lowering helps with cornering. It's not ment to aid with the height challenged. The thickness of a pencil aint helping anyone. It's a gross reference all the shootouts are missing the point on. The Husky tracks way better than the KTM and Gas Gas. Smoother is better, most Pro riders are complaining about bikes having too much power. Like the 19 Honda.

  • @jimbeaux89
    @jimbeaux89 2 года назад +1

    I FINALLY got my very first bike 6 months ago, at the age of 32. I didn’t want to get anything crazy, and it had to be budget friendly (for the wife, of course). I got me an SSR 189, which fit my needs perfectly. I’ve got about 15 hours under my belt, and am already looking forward to my next bike, which will probably be a KX. Idk if I would get me a 450, so it’ll probably be a KX 250. Maybe an SX. Idk all these bikes are so damn good. I definitely jumped into the world of riding at just the right time.

  • @terriknowles9004
    @terriknowles9004 2 года назад +1

    the smock was cool

  • @WTF-sh4is
    @WTF-sh4is 2 года назад +1

    This was all the same feedback/opinions from the 2021 shootout. What’s the summary list of new things on the bikes from last year? None?

  • @powerfail2695
    @powerfail2695 2 года назад +11

    KTM Action magazine, 😂 all year long the same

  • @hencetirta7633
    @hencetirta7633 2 года назад +5

    I lov rmz

  • @mikemitchell9877
    @mikemitchell9877 2 года назад +5

    4th and 6th in the other two shootouts that are out but MXA has the Husky not only the 450 winner but bike of the year. Crazy how they praise the lower ride and how well the suspension works and others say it doesn't work well at all. Oh well it's cool to get all the different opinions and decide for yourself

    • @motocrossaction
      @motocrossaction  2 года назад +9

      We don't do one day tests or one day shootouts. That is the major difference. A lot of media only get the bike one day and turn it in. We race all 7 of these bikes over a long period of time. We don't rush the shootout to be first either.

    • @HobosCanFly
      @HobosCanFly 2 года назад +4

      Why do you care about what bike wins a shootout anyways. Just because a bike wins a shootout doesn't mean it will fit your riding style. The whole point is to take the info about the characteristics of each bike in order to make an informed decision for YOU.

    • @mxr248
      @mxr248 2 года назад +1

      Cause if you notice they seem to out down Japan bikes. They also make it sound like the Yamaha is soooo big when other platforms did what I did measure across and there is no big difference it’s more visual cause of the air box on the Yamaha instead of a gas cap! Also look up wet weight the Honda is only 2 pounds lighter and same with Kawasaki there is only a pound or 2 difference between all jap bikes. Lol Yamaha won the shootout in other platforms. Also everyone I’ve talked to hates the air forks after riding other bikes they beat you up.

    • @mikemitchell9877
      @mikemitchell9877 2 года назад

      @@HobosCanFly I don't care and read my last sentence.

    • @HobosCanFly
      @HobosCanFly 2 года назад +1

      @@mikemitchell9877 if you don't care then why make the comment pointing out the discrepancy in results?

  • @quentinruggles5494
    @quentinruggles5494 Год назад +1

    Just got an mc450. 2023. Put the map switch on, opened air box, cut the stupid cone out of the muffler (much louder ) and you got a ktm basically.

  • @matteosss
    @matteosss 2 года назад +2

    Where is Fantic XXF 450????????

  • @davidornelas5835
    @davidornelas5835 2 года назад +1

    Agree that there isn't a "bad" bike in the shootout. However, if given the chance, it really does pay to be able to ride all the different brands to see which one fits you best. Best of luck if you can make that happen.

  • @erikgoleb
    @erikgoleb Год назад

    Going with the Suzuki. Can’t go wrong. Always loved them!

  • @gregmulfort9577
    @gregmulfort9577 2 года назад +2

    Taking production to a new level. Pretty cool, I appreciate it. Good content too

  • @chazzgonzalez1356
    @chazzgonzalez1356 2 года назад +4

    I felt the frame on the KTM more rigid than my Yz450f. A lot of testing for y’all must have been done but I don’t like the frame/suspension combo on the KTM

    • @125kingo125
      @125kingo125 2 года назад

      Ktm frames are so forgiving mate..

    • @chazzgonzalez1356
      @chazzgonzalez1356 2 года назад

      @@125kingo125 from my experience my buddys 2021 Rockstar edition made me feel like I wanted to break my ankles and wrist over jumping something by maybe 5 feet

    • @125kingo125
      @125kingo125 2 года назад

      @@chazzgonzalez1356 strange

  • @grecoconduris6716
    @grecoconduris6716 2 года назад +1

    Awesome production.
    Looking at getting a new MX bike for track work.
    I currently ride a TE300 for trails and some track.
    I would consider myself a Vet beginner, if I am generous maybe pushing towards intermediate.
    I ride mix of intermediate/vet tracks or sometimes the senior tracks depending on location.
    I am also 210lbs.
    I was initially thinking a Gas Gas MC350 or a Husky FC350, but I have never ridden a 350 and probably wont get the opportunity to try one.
    I rode my friend new YZ450F recently and loved the suspension but felt the power was too much for me.
    Wondering now if the FC450 would be more suitable given my weight?

    • @travisazure
      @travisazure 2 года назад +1

      I currently weigh about the same, 210lbs, and have 2 ktm 350s. Xcf & 22-sxf and they both have more then enough power for me. I'm an A- expert level off-road racer to give a little more perspective.

    • @grecoconduris6716
      @grecoconduris6716 2 года назад

      @@travisazure thank you, I appreciate it

  • @rayv882
    @rayv882 Год назад +1

    I have a 2022 KX450 and I love my bike it is amazing!

    • @davidmolyneux7284
      @davidmolyneux7284 3 месяца назад

      Are you still enjoying it? It's the bike I want but some reviews put me off. People keep saying no get ktm

  • @jacobnelander8764
    @jacobnelander8764 2 года назад +1

    What is the actual reason that the crf is the best pro bike? Just removing bad parts couldn't be the reason.. Looks and whips 😋 but not enough
    Thanks for solid testing 👌

  • @randallsharpe7651
    @randallsharpe7651 2 года назад

    Good Afternoon, 👍 way cool! You lay it very well. I'm going to give up the 2 smokers. They are to good for my health. But, with this old Vet-Rider, I'm going green. May have a few more bones to brake, worth it👌 Been looking for a while now so may be going Blue tomorrow. I'm thinking the kx450x, and throwing the walker away. Track or trails, roll that throttle and give it hell

  • @tannervansickle9160
    @tannervansickle9160 2 года назад +2

    As someone who rides a 21 KX250 (same plastics and frame as the 450), I had to laugh at the "most likely bolt to strip out" comment. That 8mm bolt holding on the side panels is one of the very few on my bike that HASN'T come out on its own or needed replaced.

  • @samoliverio7455
    @samoliverio7455 2 года назад +9

    Yk this list is good when the Yamaha isn't overhyped to all hell. Good job not being mindless drones MXA 👍

    • @jkell411
      @jkell411 2 года назад +1

      Give me a break...

    • @samoliverio7455
      @samoliverio7455 2 года назад +1

      @@jkell411 bro the Yamaha is heavy as hell and ergonomically trash, tf you mean

    • @jkell411
      @jkell411 2 года назад

      Some people might not like it, but that doesn't make it "trash." It's just different. And do you really think the other platforms are paid to lie??? I'm a KTM guy and still find it weird that they always do so well on MXA compared to the other outlets.

    • @samoliverio7455
      @samoliverio7455 2 года назад

      @@jkell411 and I find it funny how Yamaha does so well on other outlets, they're all somewhat guilty of it, what's your point? I just find it ironic it gets shit on in races for years and a little smig of success and it's the greatest bike of all time

    • @jkell411
      @jkell411 2 года назад +1

      Didn't it win shootouts before last year? I don't think you know what you're talking about. You clearly just don't like Yamaha and that is fine. Just keep riding, bro.

  • @lorenjames5175
    @lorenjames5175 2 года назад

    So for the Kawasaki, with a few upgrades it's right up there at the top right? Stiffer fork spring a couple more hp, easy to get, smaller rear brake rotor and brake position, everyone is going to get new plastic eventually. I didn't hear much about the great handling and stability?

  • @vonlitto
    @vonlitto 2 года назад +7

    It really is sad to see Suzuki falling behind, they use to be one of the best bikes back in the day, their 2 strokes were the best and the early years of rmzs 08-14 did amazing too! Then the r and d department, I'm assuming lost funding.

    • @peaceprayer595
      @peaceprayer595 2 года назад +1

      I feel your Yellow pain. I spent more time trying to get my last two rmz450s to work. They feel like their on the very of crashing the minute the track gets ruff and you wind it up to third and fourth gear.

    • @scottc4433
      @scottc4433 2 года назад

      It is a shame they make very reliable and serviceable machines as well

  • @ssse3123
    @ssse3123 2 года назад +2

    So nice that the race numbers start with 11 (instead of X0). This correlates to the total number of test bikes. Thank you.

  • @wentworthtucker1539
    @wentworthtucker1539 Год назад

    Is there going to be a 2023 450 shootout this year. It’s been almost three months in the new year and there is no shootout for the 450s yet. The 2023 450 shootout is well over due

  • @wesleywheeler7891
    @wesleywheeler7891 2 года назад +1

    Suzuki is the easy choice for me. Most affordable, reliable, I like the powercurve.

  • @joearcuri1007
    @joearcuri1007 2 года назад +1

    Like the WP suspension must be a west coast thing. Anybody I know that buys these bikes and seen on East coast the first thing they do is conversion kit on suspension .

  • @motozz8258
    @motozz8258 2 года назад +1

    title sponsor not mentioned as per usual , smoke and mirror shootout haha motocross austrian magazine

  • @rik3346
    @rik3346 2 года назад +2

    BLU CRU 💙

  • @thomaswayneward
    @thomaswayneward 2 года назад

    I like the honesty of this review.

  • @Lancealittle33
    @Lancealittle33 2 года назад

    Great piece. and the Music was awesome!

  • @SHOWTIME070
    @SHOWTIME070 2 года назад +4

    Kawasaki is my number 1 period with yamaha in close second

  • @blakebennett8642
    @blakebennett8642 2 года назад +2

    Dude wtf this is like a movie hahah so cool

  • @tcmx712
    @tcmx712 2 года назад +1

    The top down view of the bikes at 1.40 is quite interesting to see the widths. It's funny how the slimmest looking bike from that angle is also the heaviest and makes you wonder if all Suzuki needs to do is update the motor to be in the running again as they could probably lose 15 pounds just in the engine

  • @Corteum
    @Corteum 2 года назад +1

    They all need to bring out a 450 2t. The 2t will have more peak hp and be lighter and more agile than the 4t, but the 4t will in general be easier to ride and have a broader power delivery

  • @dtrim7450
    @dtrim7450 2 года назад +3

    HONDA😎👍🏻

  • @marcusbarnes5929
    @marcusbarnes5929 2 года назад

    Music and footage 💪👍👍👍

  • @Wreckhouse69
    @Wreckhouse69 2 года назад +2

    Oh Suzuki i remember when literally their 2t 125,250 and 4t 250,450 were the best bikes by far. They could easily get there again in one season of serious revamps. Bring back an improved 2015 frame , add 3-5hp, strip 5-10lbs i promise this will be best bike of the year . No bike is as fast on a pro mx track as a dialed in Suzuki guaranteed

  • @beverywhereyouare
    @beverywhereyouare 2 года назад

    Hellzz yeah - HUSKY baby !! :o) Spout time !!

  • @billbutler2533
    @billbutler2533 2 года назад

    love you guys doin this keepit up

  • @rayv882
    @rayv882 2 года назад

    I don't get it I've watched other 450 shootouts and the KX450 has won like 2 or 3 years in a row. I watched another video of the 2022 450 shootout and they chose the KX450to win?

  • @dennismillus4581
    @dennismillus4581 2 года назад +6

    The Hardest decision of would be. To pick the best chassi to put my CR500 motor into.

  • @da5863
    @da5863 2 года назад +1

    Nice video, 125 shootout coming?

  • @stephdiesel2110
    @stephdiesel2110 2 года назад +3

    SO obviously we can all appreciate all of the time put into testing and racing these bikes over several months, and the amazing production team that puts these videos together!
    That being said, there are a few flaws in this testing type. Firstly, the MXA test riders all seem to be pro-level riders which on one hand is good because they can feel out the bikes better than everyone else, but on the other hand, 90% of the audience are not pros and may have very different opinions about the bikes rankings and characteristics (for example, they rank the Suzuki last but a beginner level rider may love the yellow bike the most for its easy powerband), and it's not really fair to the different skill level of riders. Second, I understand that different companies profit by sponsoring these shootouts, but it is not accurate to just slap Dunlop tires and aftermarket bars on these bikes, because that's not how they're sold from the showroom, and just the tires alone can drastically change the handling characteristics of these bikes. Additionally, it makes no sense to weigh the bikes without fluids, because nobody rides a bike with no gas, oil, and coolant, and those can boost the weight of the bike by about 8-10lbs, depending on tank size.
    Again I love to see these videos and read the articles because MXA probably puts more time into these shootouts than all the other magazines combined, but there are still other factors to keep in mind for the average consumer that could probably be reflected better. Also, this may just be because I ride Yamaha, but I was a little offended when they said the blue bike is the one no testers want to race. Maybe it's because y'all get to ride hundreds of different bikes, and maybe it's different out there in Cali, but every race I've been to has more Yamahas than all other bikes combined, likely because of their bulletproof nature, reasonable price tag, and few major flaws. They're also not near as wide and uncomfortable as the non-Yamaha riders make it seem haha

    • @joshmosiman1955
      @joshmosiman1955 2 года назад +2

      Hey Steph, thanks for watching and for your opinion on this. Here's a few quick points responding to your comment. (1) The majority of our test riders are vet intermediates ranging from 30-60 years old. Those are the guys who race our bikes every weekend. We also have Pros on staff at MXA and we use Pros for all of our photoshoots and video shoots because they can make the bikes look better than our vet riders can. (2) We tested every bike in here with stock tires and we wore them out before installing new Dunlop MX33's. So we know how the tires work and each bike ranks the same with those tires. (3) We weigh the bikes with empty fuel tanks, but all other fluids (coolant, oil, brake fluid etc.) are all still in there. This keeps it accurate and that way the bike that has the smallest tank doesn't win "lightest bike" award and vice versa.
      I hope that clears some concerns up! Thanks for watching and I'm glad you appreciate the video!

    • @stephdiesel2110
      @stephdiesel2110 2 года назад +1

      @@joshmosiman1955 hey man thanks for the reply! That definitely clears some stuff up. I know y’all put a ton of time into these tests and reviews, so thank you for that! It’s always my favorite time of year when the MXA bike tests and shootouts release!

  • @porschemons9272
    @porschemons9272 Год назад

    What was the 2 muffler's good for?

  • @davidmagnan9085
    @davidmagnan9085 2 года назад

    Enough adds, brutal to watch!

  • @jeffwarrack9059
    @jeffwarrack9059 2 года назад +12

    Also on the mxa website: Kawasaki vs Yamaha 2021
    "In short, the KX450 is a much more pleasant bike bike to spend time on, once you fix a few suspension, brake and set-up flaws. However, the Yamaha is considerably faster, more reliable and better suspended-and if you race motocross, those positive YZ450 traits pay bigger dividends than the KX450’s pleasant demeanor. Thus, we’d rather ride the 2021 Kawasaki KX450, but we’d rather race the 2021 Yamaha YZ450F. " Then why does the Kawasaki finish ahead of the Yamaha? 😵‍💫
    I get shootouts are subjective, and would have accepted the fact that anything other than Honda, Suzuki, or husky finished first.

    • @Davido50
      @Davido50 2 года назад +5

      Yamaha & KTM #1. Period. Summed it up 4ya. Can't go wrong . Spend wisely. This is wise!

    • @Jake_Hynds
      @Jake_Hynds 2 года назад +1

      honestly man they are all amazing bikes anyone would be extremely happy with any of these.
      its like comparing a Ferrari to a Lamborghini

    • @adamrochester1
      @adamrochester1 2 года назад

      This is interesting I am coming of a yzf450 21 model was to much for me and I didn’t feel comfy I’m 6,1 and 110kg. Was thinking ktm or kx thoughts ? And is it worth waiting for the 23 models

    • @jeffwarrack9059
      @jeffwarrack9059 2 года назад +1

      @@adamrochester1 Do you like what the magazines are saying about the KTM? If so then I would say yes. If you want the latest tech from. KTM then get the new bike. Usually with new models there not as refined and get better. The old model is the best version of it from KTM. Either way you'll get a good bike. 👍
      Kawasaki is also a good bike again do you like what the magazine are saying about it? You'll probably need stiffer fork springs. Kawasaki may or not change anything for next year.

    • @adamrochester1
      @adamrochester1 2 года назад

      @@jeffwarrack9059 yeh 22 ktm sounds like my money I think with some suspension done to her for sure But just wondering what would feel comfy for my height and weight lol. People say kx is taller but I want smooth riding feel easy handling

  • @mxvssm8780
    @mxvssm8780 2 года назад +4

    Suzuki is for man…no electronic no problem😎😂

  • @Driver599
    @Driver599 2 года назад +2

    Don't exclude TM Racing in future test, otherwise concise review.

  • @jetdr
    @jetdr 2 года назад +2

    Yamaha makes the best over all Bikes, always have. I have had KTM and Honda, both good but can't touch a Yamaha. my 2009 yz250 still runs like it was brand New.. Poor Suzuki, I remember a time when they were so good. Yamaha had to build their last few Years of 2 stroke they were so bad. Soon as Dungey left they fell flat. I do like the New Husky, sorry the New KTM in White.

  • @chupacabraracing181
    @chupacabraracing181 2 года назад +1

    Suzuki might be last in the shootout, but it's never last on race day. Might not be first, but not last. And I love my 19 RMZ 450. Probably going with the kx450sr this spring tho

  • @RetroRiders_250R_Magazine
    @RetroRiders_250R_Magazine 2 года назад

    Great video. I really enjoyed it.

  • @jvohnbarlow9895
    @jvohnbarlow9895 2 года назад +1

    That's a yummy Honda

  • @JacksonD489
    @JacksonD489 2 года назад

    I’ll take me a third place Team Green, please… The pressure of being a winner is too much for me! Lol

  • @weekendwarrior6285
    @weekendwarrior6285 2 года назад +6

    Haha you munters sneakily try not to look biased toward KTM yet you won't list a single flaw for the bike as opposed to 5-10 flaws for every other bike. and yes the KTM has its flaws, we have 2 in our stables.

  • @livefreeandshred9818
    @livefreeandshred9818 2 года назад +3

    No wonder why Suzuki doesn't give anyone bikes for tests. Also funny that the cheapest bike got last and the most expensive bike won.

  • @user-gabriel90
    @user-gabriel90 2 года назад +1

    I had been riding since I was a kid and was a vet rider but it’s been ten years since I’ve risen and even longer since I had my own bikes band rode alnost every day my ex wife wanted me to get rid of my bikes when my daughter was born I always thought I would get back into it but I never imagined how long I was caught up w work , mortgage and everything else my daughter is 22 now and I’ve been thinking a lot about riding and reminiscing it’s such a stress reliever when you are riding your focused on just riding . I would like a bike for single track use mostly but a bike I can also take to the motocross track as well I will be fifty in a month so I’m going to take it easy at first because I’m not going to bounce right up like i used to after a crash

  • @2_strokesmoke
    @2_strokesmoke 2 года назад +1

    Will you add the new Stark electric bike to the lineup next year?

    • @joshmosiman1955
      @joshmosiman1955 2 года назад +1

      If they give us one to keep and test longterm, probably! But if we only get to ride it for a day, then no

    • @dr.hugog.hackenbush9443
      @dr.hugog.hackenbush9443 2 года назад

      I dont think they should.
      Its not exactly a 450, now is it?

  • @V.ertz_
    @V.ertz_ 2 года назад

    You guys should put the ranking numbers from last year for the number plates numbers

  • @mxlife958
    @mxlife958 2 года назад +3

    Honda the Best...😍😍

    • @thinkandrepent3175
      @thinkandrepent3175 2 года назад

      Always has been

    • @mxlife958
      @mxlife958 2 года назад

      @@thinkandrepent3175 yes....👍🏻
      Honda forever...😍👌🏻👍🏻😉

  • @trentondillard7825
    @trentondillard7825 2 года назад

    When is the 2022 125 shoot out?

  • @barcuda1250
    @barcuda1250 2 года назад +1

    Should drop suzuki
    And put the 350 in the mix way more relevant to the non pro level maybe even just 1 of the 3 wood be orsom

  • @shuggashane13
    @shuggashane13 2 года назад

    i gotta 14 kx450f and a 22 mc450 and im still a bigger fan of the kx. more snappy and ready for the get down. the mc is cool and fun, just not as pipy as id like

  • @brokenlegz
    @brokenlegz 2 года назад

    By why is the Honda the best at whips?
    These reviews pretty much sound the same as they did 2012. In terms of all the bikes characteristics.

  • @philosborn1840
    @philosborn1840 2 года назад

    Maybe put the RM on a diet with a project bike series. Also engine tuning tips and suspension modifications. Let Suzuki know you’ll try to help them sell their bikes.🇨🇦🇺🇸4ever

  • @alanguiver3983
    @alanguiver3983 2 года назад +1

    At the end of the day if anyone picks a bike based on what anyone else thinks isnt getting the right bike. Pick you colour and go have fun.

  • @JohnHowerton137
    @JohnHowerton137 2 года назад +1

    Not surprised by these results at all. Funny all the people chiming in about “working man’s bike” when trying to bag on the Austrians. A lot of weekend warriors ride these things off-road, not just track. The overheating issues on many of the Japanese bikes are hardly a secret. The new Hondas are pretty, but the Japanese have a long way to go if they ever want my money again. Sometimes it seems like they aren’t even trying. R&D teams just seem too far removed from production. 25 years later we’re still trying to make these Aluminum chassis work?
    🤣
    Josh races a stock KTM at a national. Throw a grand + at the Japanese bikes if you want to do that.

  • @juliojames5986
    @juliojames5986 2 года назад

    I do not follow the races on a regular basis, however when I tune in, a KAW or KTM seems to be out front……always. ??

  • @leonibs5034
    @leonibs5034 Год назад

    I know this is old news now but I rode a 22 yz450f recently and the only thing I liked was the power the bike overall felt terribly fat and top heavy with bucking suspension that kicked you around everywhere, I’m a 175lb without gear)

  • @StayTunedMoto
    @StayTunedMoto 2 года назад

    Kawi or bust! 😶‍🌫️

  • @Mr.Stroke0331
    @Mr.Stroke0331 2 года назад

    Yz 250 give em the smoke billy 💨 Wooooooooooooo

  • @travisdorff1459
    @travisdorff1459 2 года назад

    When will MXA do an 85cc shootout?

  • @johnalvinatienza290
    @johnalvinatienza290 2 года назад

    What's the title of that epic metal from the intro

  • @jurdegraaf6660
    @jurdegraaf6660 2 года назад +1

    where is tm ??

  • @astars475
    @astars475 2 года назад +2

    It's quite simple actually , Yamaha !!!! 🤘✌️

  • @Corteum
    @Corteum 2 года назад

    Should show the rwhp and torque of each bike.

  • @lyndonjack
    @lyndonjack 2 года назад

    can you please do a 85cc shoot out.

  • @cdbnum1
    @cdbnum1 2 года назад

    You save a ton of money on the Suzuki and in my opinion it’s the best looking bike! Just take what you saved and modify the bike.

  • @Mansplainer411
    @Mansplainer411 Год назад

    Still would take the RMZ for the price.