It’s always about performance, never about maintenance, easy to work on, reliability, costs of parts, cleaning etc. For the weekend warriors, way more important than hp.
100% agreed! I’m more worried about value, maintenance, and longevity/reliability rather than tune maps, peak hp, and other insignificant features. There is a $3000 cost differential between the Suzuki and the Husky!!!
It's a great time for MX riders /racers. About time the Asian brands got stomped. Let's see how good the new Triumph (British) brand will be. Ricky Carmichael has been a huge part of its development. They benchmarked the KTM 250SXF. It's best 250 hands dwn! #Maxima #KTM #F150Raptor
MXA with the best shootouts 👏🏻. I get so fed up watching other shootouts (interviewing each rider, not coming to conclusions…) This review was punchy, to the point and well edited. Thank you!
Excellent video! 👍👍 All test riders are exceedingly well dressed for this shootout. It just makes the visuals so much better. It's not how fast you are, it's how cool you look on the track. 😂😂
I’ll say after owning an rmz 250 for a year or two now, sure it’s outdated, but if your a beginner or novice looking for a 250f. It’s an excellent bike. It corners great, it has plenty of power for a beginner, and it’s everything you need to get out on a track and learn. But yeah man I wish they’d update it
Couldn't agree more. I only ride once or twice a month if that and I absolutely love my RMZ. Awesome price for a bike for truthfully any level of rider. The kickstart tends to not bother me as much personally, it gives me more of a nostalgic feeling like being back on my 01' CR250
@@Bbirks and what's more, no kick starter on the new bikes. so its smart to get the bike that still has one. be better if they sold an option of both for the trail riders, and then no kick starter for the racers to keep the weight down.
My opinion, if it matters or not, if youre a serious racer you modify your bike. Modify everything. If youre a play rider it is a little about brand loyalty, a little how you fit on the bike, a little on budget, a little on your mechanical know how a little on what/where/how u ride. All these brands make nice bikes.
The yellow blue has always been the best cornering bike an easiest to handle for people just starting out riding and every rider knows regardless of what bike you get your gunna throw your own suspension on it and an exhaust system anyways so by that point they are all kinda equal level besides power which for the yellow blue isn't bad I've always loved the bikes those an Kawasaki has been my 2 tops always third is a hard one cause Honda Husky and KTM are all right there personally
No mention about the value proposition that Suzuki offers. It’s a great bike for those who are weekend warriors. When some of the other competitors are 35% more expensive, you have to at least mention price. Suzuki makes a good bike, with a good power band curve. I’d rather have that then peaky high rpm that will be harder on engine components.
Everyone needs to hear that, they always have to go with Honda or Yamaha because they are “the only way to go” but they won’t give Suzukis a chance, they call them crap without actually riding one, it makes zero sense
@@aydenrich262 Anyone that calls Suzuki crap doesn't know MX history! I prefer Suzuki (of jap brands) though KTM is my favorite last 4yrs. They are quite far ahead.
Gave up in 93, asked the father for a break from racing as I'd been at it from 85 to 92or from 8y0 to 17yo, he said noi said goodbye, totally cut myself off from mx until recently and wtaf 10,000 grand, unbelievable no KX100 boo fooking hoo............
I was a huge Suzuki guy in my racing days. My last bike was a 2002 RM125, and in the handling department, that bike did half the riding for me. I stunk in the corners, but on that bike, I railed them. Just a magic machine imo.
Sucks when on a slope or in mud trying to kick start bike as racers fly by you. But understand wanting kick start as nobody knows how to make a good battery nowadays. They should have both.
Previous years Austrian bikes won the shootouts because they had the most horsepower hydraulic clutch etc. Now kawasaki have the most horsepower, is the most stable bike, reliable with KYB suspension ( much better than WP) and it came forth because MXA decided that suddenly kx250 is a bad turning bike!!!!! By the way its the only magazine who says that . All the other magazines says the opposite. MXA thanks again for the "unbiased" shootout
KX has a stiff fork - just because it's kyb doesn't mean the "setting" is desireable. Kawasaki decides what valving combo the bike comes with. Additionally - the chassis plays a big role in felt stiffness - the kx gives more feedback than the yamaha chassis does - in exchange for what I feel is better trust of the stability. I think if they did a "mod bike" shootout - with say 5k budget - it could be really interesting. Pipe, clamps, suspension and some minor motor work would be about that budget. All the bikes would get a lot closer as the slower ones respond bigger to work than the faster ones.
The rmz is not outdated there keeping it like that bc it’s the best handling bike to ever come out and nobody is really using all of the 250 power unless you’re a factory pro guy
This is very very false and another scapegoat answer for the other manufacturers. They have posted extended videos, explaining that. Yes there are other bikes that you can add for example, a sprocket to or a pipe, too, or some thing and it can become better, if you ride, you should know better and should know that any bike is great. As long as you have a positive perception of your bike get the set up right and believe that the equipment under you is Good enough to do the job at hand and you are willing to work on your own form and abilities. This is a test for stock 100,000,000% stock, and right off the showroom floor. There is no doubt that the Austrian bikes have more race parts are more reliable and are a better option if you are willing to pay the price tag, which is not very significant difference these days as the other brands have increased their pricing. People need to get over themselves and stop hating on some thing because they don’t like it or can’t afford it.
Base valve shims (.3 mm thick) are the culprit. That’s basically SX/FMX base valve, extremely stiff (one .3 mm shim is like nine .1 mm shims in terms of stiffness)
Ngl once mine broke in it actually wasn't that bad. I have 10hrs on my 24 250r already, and I've over jumped a couple jumps already with it, and it was pretty smooth. (I'm 160lbs @5'11").
Every single one of this guy’s shoutouts are the same. Ktm husky gasgas 1 2 3. Swap always picks the kx450. Keefer will always pick Yamaha. It’s too bad the oem’s waste their money/resources on these “test riders” when they could all get together and do a traveling demo day where consumers could get an opportunity like this
KTM Has won an incredible 64 out of 81 Motos this year at loretta lynns. Pure DOMINATION. this once again proves that KTM is the best Motocross & Enduro manufacturer on the planet. KINGS 🔥👑🍊🧡💯
More like 15 but yeah Quality stuff , wp after 15hrs suits about a 50 kilogram fast rider but still needs a fix anyway but yeah a mates Son at 50kgs goes well on the stock stuff :)
Idk I loved my kyb straight out the box. I’m 6’2 195, I switched from 4t ktm’s to a 23 yz250x last year and I haven’t touched a clicker front or back yet.
I’m 98 kg, I had 2024 husqvarna fc250 stock WP can’t handle big riders, I was offered to pay 6000$ to replace WP with KYB or 4000$ to replace to Ohlins cartirdges. Thanks no, I sold my husqvarna got new 2024 YZ250F with KYB by adding 800$
By “as always” did you mean “different to just last year”…? Yamaha was 3rd last year and the Suzuki comes last in literally every shootout because it hasn’t been updated in forever. Would you rather they just pick names out of a hat rather than giving actual opinions (which many others around the world seem to agree with)?
Yep.. and the fact the crap he said about Yamaha no other channel has said those things.. plus Yamaha has the bike at all zeros once you put hard hitting or other tunes that bike comes on hard and more hp. Moranz said the yz is flat out awesome. Hp, cornering, suspension and so on..
@@bertbroeder1832 he’s getting at the fact the guy mainly always picks KTM even when it has worse traits than other bikes. All other magazines and channels will pick something completely different and all could pick Yamaha as number one and he would still put ktm. Even when they are known to blow motors and break pistons. Subframes snap right off..
I would love to get a new 2024 right off the dealer floor but as a CA resident who doesn’t always ride tracks, I just don’t see the point of buying a new bike that I can’t even legally ride off of closed course. Pretty hard bummer honestly. I don't know if I am just overvaluing the importance of the CA industry in particular, but I would be shocked if it doesn't tank bike sales to the point where something has to be done.
@@Davido50 you can not ride a 2022 or newer mx bike, even in a designated Off highway vehicle area, because 2022 and newer bikes no longer qualify for OHV registration because of unrealistic smog standards. You can only ride on private property, or tracks.
loving the new, less erratic editing over the past few months. nice job. especially the shots of the bike sitting there. nice ong/slow shots give us a chance to examine the details.
Goes to show differing opinions. I personally think the Suzuki is the best bike all round. Plenty of power and it’s low and medium power is great so you can ride it in any setting or any track. Not sure why they say it has a ‘lack of power’ you can hardly tell unless you’re a pro ringing their neck for every bit of power. Yes, I’d like e-start and I hope they implement it soon but that’s it. Every single bike you have to mess with suspension to make it good for the individual riding. But imo the forks aren’t even half as stiff as they are made out to be and I’m not heavy, I’m only around 170lbs at 5’11. The CRF is a great bike as well. Crazy they are last and second to last, I’d put the zookie first and CRF second. My mate has the KTM and it’s not great imo, I’d have the Suzuki all day compared to his KTM.
I think it would be good to know more about the engines and quality of parts that may help to indicate which bikes might be more reliable and perhaps require less maintenance.
i never take these guys reviews seriously, i’m pretty sure they are ktm group biased, there results are always opposite to any other platforms review. which are normally pretty inline with each other
Excellent review and tests...I held an AMA 125cc and 250cc Motocross Expert License in the 70's as a 17 and 19 year old boy. All I have ridden since then has been street bikes (and one partial season of AMA Road Race), but in my old age I have decided to get another MX bike as a weekend toy. Doubtful i would race it but sounds like either the Honda or the Husky would be my best choices.
Glad I watched this. I was on the fence being a life long kawasaki fan. But 20 years later getting back into the woods I’ve been eye balling the ga gas. And now knowing the advantages of the Ktm and their 2 maps vs buying a tuner etc. It seems the ktm is a better one and done for what I need. So I can just ride and enjoy the features without instantly buying mods. Only mod I need is a skid plate and I’m off. Appreciate this content. And super exited to have my first lifetime brand new bike. Wasn’t blessed with hand me down money or an east road to paychecks. So this is a big purchase for me at this point in my life. And I want to make the right choice. So as I sit I’m planning ktm. With gas gas as my choice until this video. Either way I’m good. But I like the few extra mods I get with ktm that would cost a lot to buy afterwards.
i know this is kinda late, but would the gasgas be a good pick for me? Im not a pro but im not a beginner ive had dirt bikes in the passed but not rode a ton
What? About 7-8 years ago, my bud bought a used ktm 250 sx - with carb. ran like a dog. Fix proved simple. Just lowered (leaned) (raised the clip to the 2nd slot) and all of a sudden it was a MONSTER. I was testing on blacktop when it revved, up comes the front wheel!! From an old dog to live lion. Surprised the heck out of me.
The BrakeTech brakes on the GasGas are not owned by Brembo. They are owned by Ferodo a division of Federal Mogul based in Italy. Most of their components are made here in the US at multiple locations.
I feel like price should be weighted a little heavier in these shootouts. The Austrian bikes are like 15% more expensive to buy and maintain, and i feel like anyone buying a new bike should seriously consider if that additional cost is worth it.
Kinda makes me wonder if you'd like the "trail" versions of stone of these bikes better. They (usually) have a tooth or two lower gearing and softer forks, which was pretty much your complaint for the whole bottom half of the list.
@@Davido50 Yeah you are right. I never went KTM. I had a KTM 65 but that was a long time ago and the only KTM that I owned. I will give them a look. Thanks!
KTM Has won an incredible 64 out of 81 Motos this year at loretta lynns. Pure DOMINATION. this once again proves that KTM is the best Motocross & Enduro manufacturer on the planet. KINGS 🔥👑🍊🧡💯
KTM is the KING of offroad. They have won the most supercross & motocross championships out of any manufacturer in the last 20 years. and have dominated enduro 25 years in a row. DOMINANT 🍊💯
I stopped the vid on the Yamaha dyno chart and I have q's. The date and time of the tests compared to the results make me wonder if it was just a fuel/oxygen difference, bc the dyno graphs could almost pass for the same engine.
I have ALWAYS been a yellow fan, i feel like taking kickers away from all the bikes takes out of some of the "dirtbike" feel. A kicker as a secondary just to know i can is ideal. That being said suzuki definitely needs to add e-start but keep the kicker as back up.
LOL.. again, with the stripped out bolts… LOL what a Joke, I’ve never once stripped any bolts on any of my 4 Kawis, I think you guys need to learn how to tighten a bolt!
KHI, Kawasaki Heavy Industries... heaviest! 2024 looking so good, 450 frame... no thanks, 45 hp won't help. Hard job for Mitch/pro circuit in SX250 2024 again.
You’re the only one complaining about the yz250f power this year no one else talks about bog or anything and your dyno results are a joke compared to other shootouts we all got it you are ktm fanboys no one says about the powertuner app that can give your yz the power character that you like and personalise!
If you are comparing all bikes as a package how is a KTM brand ranked so high with an air fork. Every KTM forum online they are always talking about swapping forks. I’ve never seen that desire to swap forks on a new bike on a Japanese brand.
all that yeah good, but yamaha's last forever, can go 6 years without checking valves. The thing is a tank, lots of riding and no maintenance. Changed oil every 5 rides and oil filter 5 rides, cleaned air filter every ride, multiple tire changes, chain changes, sprocket change and engine still good 6 years later. Sold it before I moved to japan and it still started after sitting after 1 kick.
The companies that produce these bikes do so in metric measurements. No one else in the civilised word uses imperial measurements. What the fuck are pounds? Get with the rest of the world USA.
I do see the point of these shootouts but the concept is flawed. There has only been 1 ktm group bike win a mx championship in the US 250 class over the last 50 years. The Japanese brands are clearly not bad, they’re just less exotic from the factory and that can be seen in the price... A comparison based on a fixed budget with the remaining money used for upgrades would be amazing to see
It’s always about performance, never about maintenance, easy to work on, reliability, costs of parts, cleaning etc. For the weekend warriors, way more important than hp.
100% agreed! I’m more worried about value, maintenance, and longevity/reliability rather than tune maps, peak hp, and other insignificant features. There is a $3000 cost differential between the Suzuki and the Husky!!!
If they would take that in account yamaha and honda would be before gas gas at least
@sevay696 What makes you think that? KTM builds longer lasting engines than any of Japo brands. That's well known!
@@Davido50 A Honda is way more reliable and parts are cheaper and easier to find bro
@@Davido50 Ktm?? With their Kymco made cylinders? Husq, Gas Gas and KTM 2020+ models aint lasting long. Saw 450 GasGas with blown piston after 150hmth
Add beta and triumph to the roster next year and wow there's gonna be a lot of bikes to review for 25
also ducati is looking forward to join motocross
It's a great time for MX riders /racers. About time the Asian brands got stomped. Let's see how good the new Triumph (British) brand will be. Ricky Carmichael has been a huge part of its development. They benchmarked the KTM 250SXF. It's best 250 hands dwn! #Maxima #KTM #F150Raptor
@@albertoramos4312that's actually exciting
Yeah man I’m ready to see some new manufacturers!
I’d like to see the TM race bikes added in
Yamaha's check wrote out to mxa must have bounced this year! 😂
But ktms did
im sucker for old school dinosaurs, a DRZ owner as well.
Kickstarters are nostalgic. and i also value simplicity. Team yellow all day for me.
Love me a cheap bike too. Saving about 3 grand for a 250cc I’ll take it
Despite everything I would buy Suzuki, the best quality for the price and it's beautiful!!!
Exactly!
It is majestic, especially that pipe
RM army 💪🏻
Yamaha has the best price for what you get
Yea but that bike is an eyesore to look at.. ugly ass 🫐
MXA with the best shootouts 👏🏻. I get so fed up watching other shootouts (interviewing each rider, not coming to conclusions…) This review was punchy, to the point and well edited. Thank you!
Suzuki best looking bike hands down! Like the kick starter - keep it simple. If they updated this thing, they would sell a ton of them!
Excellent video! 👍👍 All test riders are exceedingly well dressed for this shootout. It just makes the visuals so much better. It's not how fast you are, it's how cool you look on the track. 😂😂
lol.
MXA chose a KTM.....what a surprise
Totally agree ktms are bags of shit
I’ll say after owning an rmz 250 for a year or two now, sure it’s outdated, but if your a beginner or novice looking for a 250f. It’s an excellent bike. It corners great, it has plenty of power for a beginner, and it’s everything you need to get out on a track and learn. But yeah man I wish they’d update it
Couldn't agree more. I only ride once or twice a month if that and I absolutely love my RMZ. Awesome price for a bike for truthfully any level of rider. The kickstart tends to not bother me as much personally, it gives me more of a nostalgic feeling like being back on my 01' CR250
@@shadecomfortss yeah and batteries need maintenance in the off season or they just don't last.
@@yukonjon5964exactly. If the batteries go flat and you don’t have a spare or jump pack you won’t be starting it using the e-start.
Also not too mention if the starter motor goes as well
@@Bbirks and what's more, no kick starter on the new bikes. so its smart to get the bike that still has one.
be better if they sold an option of both for the trail riders, and then no kick starter for the racers to keep the weight down.
They should rename themselves to KT-MXA
I'm a jdm boy and yamaha is the way to go for me. but if ktm builds the best bikes it's only right that they acknowledge that
My opinion, if it matters or not, if youre a serious racer you modify your bike. Modify everything. If youre a play rider it is a little about brand loyalty, a little how you fit on the bike, a little on budget, a little on your mechanical know how a little on what/where/how u ride. All these brands make nice bikes.
Yes exactly 💯
The yellow blue has always been the best cornering bike an easiest to handle for people just starting out riding and every rider knows regardless of what bike you get your gunna throw your own suspension on it and an exhaust system anyways so by that point they are all kinda equal level besides power which for the yellow blue isn't bad I've always loved the bikes those an Kawasaki has been my 2 tops always third is a hard one cause Honda Husky and KTM are all right there personally
Suzuki is a great MX bike overall. KTM is tops in performance/durability followed by Yamaha i'd have to say.
No mention about the value proposition that Suzuki offers. It’s a great bike for those who are weekend warriors. When some of the other competitors are 35% more expensive, you have to at least mention price. Suzuki makes a good bike, with a good power band curve. I’d rather have that then peaky high rpm that will be harder on engine components.
Everyone needs to hear that, they always have to go with Honda or Yamaha because they are “the only way to go” but they won’t give Suzukis a chance, they call them crap without actually riding one, it makes zero sense
@@aydenrich262 Anyone that calls Suzuki crap doesn't know MX history! I prefer Suzuki (of jap brands) though KTM is my favorite last 4yrs. They are quite far ahead.
Gave up in 93, asked the father for a break from racing as I'd been at it from 85 to 92or from 8y0 to 17yo, he said noi said goodbye, totally cut myself off from mx until recently and wtaf 10,000 grand, unbelievable no KX100 boo fooking hoo............
I was a huge Suzuki guy in my racing days. My last bike was a 2002 RM125, and in the handling department, that bike did half the riding for me. I stunk in the corners, but on that bike, I railed them. Just a magic machine imo.
I'm waiting for yamaha to do a yellow yz lineup til I buy.
To be honest, i actually like the Kick starter on the bikes. It gives me peace of mind that i know i can turn on my bike by just kicking it.
And they kick over usually first or second go.
I’ve got a 2021 RMZ 250 sick fun
yeah i wouldn't get a bike without a kick starter
Sucks when on a slope or in mud trying to kick start bike as racers fly by you. But understand wanting kick start as nobody knows how to make a good battery nowadays. They should have both.
Previous years Austrian bikes won the shootouts because they had the most horsepower hydraulic clutch etc.
Now kawasaki have the most horsepower, is the most stable bike, reliable with KYB suspension ( much better than WP) and it came forth because MXA decided that suddenly kx250 is a bad turning bike!!!!!
By the way its the only magazine who says that .
All the other magazines says the opposite.
MXA thanks again for the "unbiased" shootout
Love my Kaw ✊💪✌️😉
They will twist it. A few years back honda had most power and to this day killer handling. And the cried too much power.
KX has a stiff fork - just because it's kyb doesn't mean the "setting" is desireable. Kawasaki decides what valving combo the bike comes with. Additionally - the chassis plays a big role in felt stiffness - the kx gives more feedback than the yamaha chassis does - in exchange for what I feel is better trust of the stability.
I think if they did a "mod bike" shootout - with say 5k budget - it could be really interesting. Pipe, clamps, suspension and some minor motor work would be about that budget. All the bikes would get a lot closer as the slower ones respond bigger to work than the faster ones.
Stay mad lol
@@dumbdumb572 not mad just fake news.
The rmz is not outdated there keeping it like that bc it’s the best handling bike to ever come out and nobody is really using all of the 250 power unless you’re a factory pro guy
Mxa with another “unbiased” shootout. You can have any bike you want as long as it’s a ktm right guys ;)
Typical of recent years.
This is very very false and another scapegoat answer for the other manufacturers. They have posted extended videos, explaining that. Yes there are other bikes that you can add for example, a sprocket to or a pipe, too, or some thing and it can become better, if you ride, you should know better and should know that any bike is great. As long as you have a positive perception of your bike get the set up right and believe that the equipment under you is Good enough to do the job at hand and you are willing to work on your own form and abilities. This is a test for stock 100,000,000% stock, and right off the showroom floor. There is no doubt that the Austrian bikes have more race parts are more reliable and are a better option if you are willing to pay the price tag, which is not very significant difference these days as the other brands have increased their pricing. People need to get over themselves and stop hating on some thing because they don’t like it or can’t afford it.
@@fasterthanyou7605 hubris much ? 🤦♂️
@@jamessharp9790 learn to talk then comment
Base valve shims (.3 mm thick) are the culprit. That’s basically SX/FMX base valve, extremely stiff (one .3 mm shim is like nine .1 mm shims in terms of stiffness)
Us big guys laugh when y’all featherweights say stiff forks 😂😂😂
I'm fat as well.
@@stmboat😂😂😂😂 straight up
Man what I’m 230-240 and I was telling my boy my bike soft and I told him how much I weigh and he was like it’s not soft your just heavy 🤦♂️ 😅
I'm 190 @6" tall. Hardly skinny or fat. Eat less. Diet. Train more. Not easy but anyone can achieve better fitness.
Ngl once mine broke in it actually wasn't that bad. I have 10hrs on my 24 250r already, and I've over jumped a couple jumps already with it, and it was pretty smooth. (I'm 160lbs @5'11").
Every single one of this guy’s shoutouts are the same. Ktm husky gasgas 1 2 3. Swap always picks the kx450. Keefer will always pick Yamaha. It’s too bad the oem’s waste their money/resources on these “test riders” when they could all get together and do a traveling demo day where consumers could get an opportunity like this
Funny if KTM has the most hp. Why is it that the Blue and Green bikes are always pulling the holeshots!
Factory bikes are not a direct comparison
@@kainelson5837 not talking factory.
Maybe its the rider.
hp is only on paper. its the one that sits on top that makes the difference. stock ktm will beat a stock yamaha in 9/10 , if they had the same driver.
KTM Has won an incredible 64 out of 81 Motos this year at loretta lynns. Pure DOMINATION. this once again proves that KTM is the best Motocross & Enduro manufacturer on the planet. KINGS 🔥👑🍊🧡💯
Isn’t it a common fact that the stiff KYB suspension needs like 10 hours riding on the track to soften down? I had the same with my Yz 250
More like 15 but yeah Quality stuff , wp after 15hrs suits about a 50 kilogram fast rider but still needs a fix anyway but yeah a mates Son at 50kgs goes well on the stock stuff :)
@@motozz8258 i’m 105kg, Stock WP on my Husqvarna was so screwed up.. really had to adjust it to my weight
Idk I loved my kyb straight out the box. I’m 6’2 195, I switched from 4t ktm’s to a 23 yz250x last year and I haven’t touched a clicker front or back yet.
I’m 98 kg, I had 2024 husqvarna fc250 stock WP can’t handle big riders, I was offered to pay 6000$ to replace WP with KYB or 4000$ to replace to Ohlins cartirdges. Thanks no, I sold my husqvarna got new 2024 YZ250F with KYB by adding 800$
@@luder3311 Wise choice, the austrian brands are amazing bikes. But their suspension really need work. I’m going to get myself a ‘24 yz250f too.
So as always, its Suzuki last, and all the KTM bikes on podium :/
By “as always” did you mean “different to just last year”…? Yamaha was 3rd last year and the Suzuki comes last in literally every shootout because it hasn’t been updated in forever. Would you rather they just pick names out of a hat rather than giving actual opinions (which many others around the world seem to agree with)?
Yep.. and the fact the crap he said about Yamaha no other channel has said those things.. plus Yamaha has the bike at all zeros once you put hard hitting or other tunes that bike comes on hard and more hp. Moranz said the yz is flat out awesome. Hp, cornering, suspension and so on..
You like to blame KTM or MXA or Suzuki?
@@bertbroeder1832 he’s getting at the fact the guy mainly always picks KTM even when it has worse traits than other bikes. All other magazines and channels will pick something completely different and all could pick Yamaha as number one and he would still put ktm. Even when they are known to blow motors and break pistons. Subframes snap right off..
Suzuki hasn’t made an update since Travis use to compete 😂
I wish I could ride all of them before buying one. Only Yamaha has had a ride day near me and I rode the last model, a 23 and loved it.
Im curious if you guys dyno'd the rmz with the exhaust on it? Or was that with the stock pipe?
The stock pipe IS the ProCircuit pipe, he explained that.
I purposely aim for a high reving 250f. My riding style is a tad aggressive. I’m switching from KX to the new YZ to see the difference.
check out the latest rev limiter specs... the KX250 has way more top end RPM's than even this years Yamaha.
I respect that, also why i'd never buy a used high rev'er 😅
Nicely narrated and Honest reviews on all bikes . Please add Triumph wen they launch it
Awesome video 🤩thanks for the solid content 🔥
How smoth does a track need to be for stock wp to beat kyb?
Freshly groomed😂
Please get a tm and fantic on the next year shootout, would love to see them compere to the other bikes.
Don't think Fantic is available in the US.
Isn't fantic the same bike as Yamaha?
@@FreEmotions_Realnot the current model though
@@Matt-dz6qn what is it then?
@@FreEmotions_Real it’s a Yamaha but it’s the previous model. Fairly certain they bought the old frame and motor from Yamaha
I would love to see a lap time comparison with the riders and the bikes.
That would be really interesting
I would love to get a new 2024 right off the dealer floor but as a CA resident who doesn’t always ride tracks, I just don’t see the point of buying a new bike that I can’t even legally ride off of closed course. Pretty hard bummer honestly. I don't know if I am just overvaluing the importance of the CA industry in particular, but I would be shocked if it doesn't tank bike sales to the point where something has to be done.
You can't ride an MX bike on trails in designed areas there?
@@Davido50 you can not ride a 2022 or newer mx bike, even in a designated Off highway vehicle area, because 2022 and newer bikes no longer qualify for OHV registration because of unrealistic smog standards. You can only ride on private property, or tracks.
@@KQKQ23I got a 350 xcf with a red sticker also they said they could get sx models with sticker also at the ktm shop
I got a 2023 350
if Suzuki got electric start, I'd buy one tomorrow
Same here
loving the new, less erratic editing over the past few months. nice job. especially the shots of the bike sitting there. nice ong/slow shots give us a chance to examine the details.
Awesome video 💥excited to see how triumph will perform... 🔥
wtf where they thinking with the gas gas plastics, it looks terrible
Not true that KTM SX 2024 plastics are not available aftermarket. Both Rtech and UFO makes them and they are available to buy for at least 6 months.
Goes to show differing opinions. I personally think the Suzuki is the best bike all round. Plenty of power and it’s low and medium power is great so you can ride it in any setting or any track. Not sure why they say it has a ‘lack of power’ you can hardly tell unless you’re a pro ringing their neck for every bit of power. Yes, I’d like e-start and I hope they implement it soon but that’s it. Every single bike you have to mess with suspension to make it good for the individual riding. But imo the forks aren’t even half as stiff as they are made out to be and I’m not heavy, I’m only around 170lbs at 5’11. The CRF is a great bike as well. Crazy they are last and second to last, I’d put the zookie first and CRF second. My mate has the KTM and it’s not great imo, I’d have the Suzuki all day compared to his KTM.
I think it would be good to know more about the engines and quality of parts that may help to indicate which bikes might be more reliable and perhaps require less maintenance.
Awesome, Thank you! That high-speed wheelie 22:56 was sick!
i never take these guys reviews seriously, i’m pretty sure they are ktm group biased, there results are always opposite to any other platforms review. which are normally pretty inline with each other
What they did to Honda was a tragedy
❤️💛💚 all the way!
Excellent review and tests...I held an AMA 125cc and 250cc Motocross Expert License in the 70's as a 17 and 19 year old boy. All I have ridden since then has been street bikes (and one partial season of AMA Road Race), but in my old age I have decided to get another MX bike as a weekend toy. Doubtful i would race it but sounds like either the Honda or the Husky would be my best choices.
Glad I watched this. I was on the fence being a life long kawasaki fan. But 20 years later getting back into the woods I’ve been eye balling the ga gas. And now knowing the advantages of the Ktm and their 2 maps vs buying a tuner etc. It seems the ktm is a better one and done for what I need. So I can just ride and enjoy the features without instantly buying mods. Only mod I need is a skid plate and I’m off. Appreciate this content. And super exited to have my first lifetime brand new bike. Wasn’t blessed with hand me down money or an east road to paychecks. So this is a big purchase for me at this point in my life. And I want to make the right choice. So as I sit I’m planning ktm. With gas gas as my choice until this video. Either way I’m good. But I like the few extra mods I get with ktm that would cost a lot to buy afterwards.
Didn’t expect this shootout this early!
KTM pays the bills at MXA!
or they build the best bikes? could be an option.. just sayin
i know this is kinda late, but would the gasgas be a good pick for me? Im not a pro but im not a beginner ive had dirt bikes in the passed but not rode a ton
What? About 7-8 years ago, my bud bought a used ktm 250 sx - with carb. ran like a dog. Fix proved simple. Just lowered (leaned) (raised the clip to the 2nd slot) and all of a sudden it was a MONSTER. I was testing on blacktop when it revved, up comes the front wheel!! From an old dog to live lion. Surprised the heck out of me.
my fav is kx 250. and this is very nice video
I don’t know why I waste my time just for them to say KTM every year.
They are sugar coating it a little bit
The BrakeTech brakes on the GasGas are not owned by Brembo. They are owned by Ferodo a division of Federal Mogul based in Italy. Most of their components are made here in the US at multiple locations.
Nice. European or American made for the win! 💯
I feel like price should be weighted a little heavier in these shootouts. The Austrian bikes are like 15% more expensive to buy and maintain, and i feel like anyone buying a new bike should seriously consider if that additional cost is worth it.
How does this only have 173k views , I would expect so many people to watch this …
#38 should have been the Yamaha... Would have made me laugh 😂🤘
Whats the gear ratios and sprocket teeth front and back on the bikes?
I can't wait to see the 2024 450 mx shootout
Me too
Kinda makes me wonder if you'd like the "trail" versions of stone of these bikes better. They (usually) have a tooth or two lower gearing and softer forks, which was pretty much your complaint for the whole bottom half of the list.
How is honda winning all the championships but almost in last place
Look at what Roczen has done on the worst bike in the class
Thanks for a great 250cc test, but now is there anyway you can test the new 2024 Triumph 250cc against the results of all these?
So which bike would you pick if you wanted to not keep it stock? Would you still go KTM or would you switch up?
Well, BEST bike stock will be the best bike modded 99% of time. If was me i'd go KTM. Their engines last longer before rebuilds as well.
@@Davido50 Yeah you are right. I never went KTM. I had a KTM 65 but that was a long time ago and the only KTM that I owned. I will give them a look. Thanks!
@@Davido50false, the mod jap bikes are definitely better. Look at how the star Yamahas perform compared to husky/ktm
KTM Has won an incredible 64 out of 81 Motos this year at loretta lynns. Pure DOMINATION. this once again proves that KTM is the best Motocross & Enduro manufacturer on the planet. KINGS 🔥👑🍊🧡💯
@@RogerT-kt3zd lmao
It’s weird cause I had to spend more money on the Ktm to make the suspension feel just as good as my Yamaha
KTM is the KING of offroad. They have won the most supercross & motocross championships out of any manufacturer in the last 20 years. and have dominated enduro 25 years in a row. DOMINANT 🍊💯
@@RogerT-kt3zd yeah I wish I could get $20000 in parts for free. These are stock bikes
@@chazzgonzalez1356 Austrian bikes are the best stock bikes on the market
@@RogerT-kt3zdno they’re not, they are overpriced for no reason
Love it...🎉🎉🎉🎉
I stopped the vid on the Yamaha dyno chart and I have q's. The date and time of the tests compared to the results make me wonder if it was just a fuel/oxygen difference, bc the dyno graphs could almost pass for the same engine.
Pretty wild how far these 250fs have come since 2010. Stock kawi 250 in 10 was 10hp slower peaking at 34-35hp.
Sooooooooooo... When is the 2024 Triumph being released?
Ducati and triumph are joining soon😊
Awesome video!!!
Hey @mxa can't you bring a fantic to your shootouts?
I have ALWAYS been a yellow fan, i feel like taking kickers away from all the bikes takes out of some of the "dirtbike" feel. A kicker as a secondary just to know i can is ideal. That being said suzuki definitely needs to add e-start but keep the kicker as back up.
Nice to have a real national MX pro, ( Josh ) doing the testing.
Damn I haven’t raced, and have been out of the game since like 2008-09. Are kickstarts outdated now??
LOL.. again, with the stripped out bolts… LOL what a Joke, I’ve never once stripped any bolts on any of my 4 Kawis, I think you guys need to learn how to tighten a bolt!
Would love to see the new Kove, Triumph, and Ducati next year!
Honda has never cared about their suspension setup. I'm just glad people are finally noticing.
When we getting the 24-450 shoot out
Sometimes i wish they would include a new KTM 250SX in these tests just for fun..
Do you know why ktm & friends seem to have no riders in mx/sx right now?
KHI, Kawasaki Heavy Industries... heaviest!
2024 looking so good, 450 frame... no thanks, 45 hp won't help.
Hard job for Mitch/pro circuit in SX250 2024 again.
0,7 hp down to honda but honda gets zero hate xD. cant tell me you feel that difference on a dirtbike
I’m sure you can’t tell with the Suzuki to the best
Somebody’s sugar coating the ktm a little bit
I agree, almost biased
You’re the only one complaining about the yz250f power this year no one else talks about bog or anything and your dyno results are a joke compared to other shootouts we all got it you are ktm fanboys no one says about the powertuner app that can give your yz the power character that you like and personalise!
Why is the suspension all so stiff? I mean seriously every year yamaha gets mostly high praise why does no one try to copy them
The 2023 and the 2024 KX 250 are the same bike but last year it had 44.66hp this year 45.11 hp ?
Probably just a difference in dyno consistency
Note the same. Different valve angles and tuning.
If you are comparing all bikes as a package how is a KTM brand ranked so high with an air fork. Every KTM forum online they are always talking about swapping forks. I’ve never seen that desire to swap forks on a new bike on a Japanese brand.
yep. just when they finally give us shock linkage back, they go to air forks.
Ridiculous that the Honda is 5 hp down. What a joke at least developed it to be around 43. Is that asking to much? Come on big Red.
Only hate I have for Suzuki is it's price increase for no changes. Granted cheaper than the rest.
It comes with the best pro circuit pipe😂
HONDA and SUZUKI! 😉
🤙🤘
all that yeah good, but yamaha's last forever, can go 6 years without checking valves. The thing is a tank, lots of riding and no maintenance. Changed oil every 5 rides and oil filter 5 rides, cleaned air filter every ride, multiple tire changes, chain changes, sprocket change and engine still good 6 years later. Sold it before I moved to japan and it still started after sitting after 1 kick.
All 100% true .
22:25 smart people use nitrogen to fill the shocks and they are then unaffected by temperatures.
Yami still for the win, dudes trippin
What about the triumph? It’s running super cross this year isn’t it?
Cycle news voted the YZ250 as their 1st place bike
Since when does top end matter? If you have a 250 you want bottom end more then anything
Top end is how you get the power out of a 250
Ill take the suki , why just because the bike is good and reliable .
The companies that produce these bikes do so in metric measurements. No one else in the civilised word uses imperial measurements. What the fuck are pounds? Get with the rest of the world USA.
I do see the point of these shootouts but the concept is flawed.
There has only been 1 ktm group bike win a mx championship in the US 250 class over the last 50 years. The Japanese brands are clearly not bad, they’re just less exotic from the factory and that can be seen in the price...
A comparison based on a fixed budget with the remaining money used for upgrades would be amazing to see
So when we gunna replay this with triumph and Ducati?
Today we review the same single cylinder dirt bikes that cost 3x more but have never change ion the last 20 years.
Husqv 44.8hp 21lbft 224lb
Honda 40.8hp 19.7ftlb 219lb
Kawas 45.1hp 21ftlb 228lb
Yamah 42.6hp 19.6ftlb 224lb
Ktm 45hp 20.8lbft 224lb
Suzuki 39.6hp 19.6lbft 227lb
Gasgas 43.3hp 20.4ftlb 225lb