Anyone who's witnessed a diesel runaway knows very well that diesels run great on motor oil.
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Hearsay. I but you know not a single person who ever was at a diesel runaway. They are possible but very, very unlikely. It's a nightmare tale invented by the US petrol assoc.
@ not at all. Diesels don't have a throttle like a gasoline engine. So if you have an outside fuel source being sucked into the intake (flammable vapors, oil leaking into the turbo air intake side, etc) you can't control it, and the engine will run away unless you choke the air.
@@kyletrummel69 That's why all USMC motorpool NCOs are required to carry a clipboard at all times. They fit flush up against all sealed air intake tubes as demonstrated day one on the job for all newbies and again throughout most field days on ready line. Semper Fi!!
@ It's not hard to use preventative measures to ensure that it doesn't happen, but to say it's 'very, very unlikely' and a 'nightmare tale invented by the US petrol assoc" is grossly misinformed my friend.
@ happened to me once. It was the first startup after a friend of mine turboed his Detroit 6.2. The whole deal lasted for around two and a half seconds. I told him to hold a small wooden board right next to the air intake just incase. And wouldn't you know it, after five very hard knocks, it ran away. The engine was toast afterwards
As far as I understand the diesel motor was originally designed to run on various vegetable based oils. Petroleum oils was not the diesels first intended oil to burn
@@olfreal No. Diesel was a waste product of cracking oil and producing petrol (gasoline) The refineries had no use for diesel... until they realised it could be used as a fuel in "diesel" engines.... The rest is history.
About 20 years ago I had a friend who had a roughly 150 mile return commute every day. He bought a Citroen AX 1.5 Diesel for this commute. Now for anyone not European these were a very small, very light, very economical car that could do well over 80mpg in the right conditions. He got waste cooking oil from his local chip shop and refined it for use in the Citroen. The company he worked for gave him a travel allowance of £300 every week so he basically got this all into his pocket
I HAD A FRIEND WHO WAS A MECHANIC WHO OWNED AN OLD PEUGEOT GOT OIL FROM THE FROM FISH AND CHIP SHOP AND PUT THROUGH A FILTER PAPER AND THE SAME WITH WAST OIL FROM SERVICING CARS DID IT FOR YEARS. CANNOT DO IT ON MODERN CARS DUE TO DAMAGING HIGH PRESSURE FUEL PUMP AND THE SEALS..
Rudolph diesel originally designed and intended for his engine to run on peanut oil I believe. You can run diesels with an older style non high pressure common rail system on pretty much anything flammable. The ldt 465 multifuel will run on pretty much anything including gasoline.
My 1.9 alh diesel would run on anything . Its own oil changes, gear oil, i got two 55 gallon drums of waste machine oil, a little atf, extreme ammounts of additives like Marvel Mystery Oil, it did not care . It was modified to have over double the stock power and I drove it hard . Those old diesels were industructable . I ended up selling the car with 302k miles still going strong.
He originally intended his engine to run on coal dust, but that didn’t work well. Caterpillar originally marketed their diesel as a multi fuel engine, I remember reading an old ad of theirs talking about a soybean farm, that ran all of their tractors on soybean oil.
Feb 21, 2019 - The Diesel-Engine was originally made to run on HEMP-OIL ! In 1893, German inventor Rudolph Diesel published a paper entitled "The Theory ...
@@jusportel fist diesel run on coal dust but this wear the engine very fast (abrasive dust in the smoke), this explain why this was not use...In Europe the most use vegetable oil was rapseed oil because it's the fluidest and the cheapest...
I knew the heating oil would work. Had a friend that bought a house in the mid 2000s and their was two 1,000 gallon heating oil tanks full on his property that he wanted gone. I had an old F350 with the 7.3L IDI engine in it. I ran almost 2,000 gallons of the stuff through it with no issues. I was nice not having a fuel bill for a while.
It is illegal to do so in us as it is Red colored and had no tax paid on it . Home heating oil is sane as diesel except the Cetane is not checked . Off road diesel for tractors for example is red. If they find the dye in your fuel filter you are in trouble…
I mean, heating oil is basically red diesel which is a diesel fuel that doesn't have huge tax on them and usually been colored red so only farm equipment able to use them, you pretty lucky law enforcement doesn't pull you over and fine you because you use red diesel
You shouldn’t let it go to waste but you can’t Legally use it on Road. Sell to farmer , use in generators , Front end loaders etc. I worked on a harbor tug 35 years ago and every crew member but me had a diesel car or truck…. Just warning people what the law is, take your chances if you must, but know.
@@josephpadula2283 One of my old bosses was a truck driver owner operator 47 years experience. He was starting out just as WWII ended. He told me truck drivers were caught cheating by the Ministry back then. It was Blue dye and would create a blue haze on the engine as it's running. Big fines. I remember him saying anything more than a couple shot glasses worth dumped in and it would show up and that was in the 40s. We ran his Drott shovel on Boiler Oil many times he said the ash was dry vs Diesel oil otherwise it's identical. Can't use Bunker Oil unless you pre heat to 350F if I remember right. Impossible to wash off if you get it on something it's coal black. We had about a drum worth of the stuff from a scrapped Freighter.
Diesel motors are truly my favorite engines. They are so diverse and reliable and can run on almost anything. As long as they are pure engines and not tampered with by green weenies.
@@wadebrewer7212 its an environmental thing, its the same with any other crude oil based engines i.e spark ignition engines, jet engines. its not just diesels. but 100% diesels are so much more reliable and with a much larger fuel efficiency
I have an old ('95) BMW turbodiesel, and as an experiment I ran it on Sunflower oil & Rapeseed oil earlier this year, with a bit of petrol thrown in to thin the cooking oils a bit. Ran perfectly. Smelled like a chip shop too, which was nice. It also got a mix of ATF and standard paint thinners (50%/50% toluene/xylene) mixed in with diesel to clean out the injectors. I had an old Transit van with a 2.5L non-turbo diesel which would run on almost anything. - Went to watch drag racing in it once, and drove 145 miles home on all the cooking oil people had left behind after the weekend's racing. Mix of all sorts. The Transit also got old engine oil chucked into ithe fuel tank occasionally. It didn't mind that either.
The original Rudolf Diesel prototype actually ran on coal dust. It exploded. The inventor designed the revision to run on anything combustible that could be sprayed into the cylinders. Be aware, however, that there is a certain amount of lubricity required in the fuel for upper cylinder longevity that may not be present in the oils used here. As others have stated, power level is unknown without load testing.
vegetable oils are fine to run in this, just flush with diesel fuel for a few min before shutting down. Not sure the ATF was a great idea though ... the pump might not have liked that one very much.
@@detaart iv run small amounts of ATF in my 5.9 Cummins with no issues. I would NOT recommend it nowadays however as most ATF fluids have friction modifiers intended for clutch packs and would probably destroy a P-Pump or sand blast the top of your cylinder head. My best guess anyways.
I'm from Indonesia and have been using a mixture of cooking oil + engine oil for 6 years with a composition of 50:50, and have never had a problem until now. the engine sound becomes smoother and more powerful In my country many people have used it for years😁😁
I recall a long term test of sunflower oil in a diesel back in the early 80s , the tank started to collect a heavy slug. A result of the heating and reheating the oil in the return line. BTW, there are diesels out in the oil fields that run on just filtered crude oil.
Near where I live there are 3 diesel engines that run on crude oil, they are 3 stories high and generate electricity for the grid. 2 are 65,000 HP and one is 100,000 HP.
I was on a cross country trip and rode through an oil field... there were single cylinder diesels (looked like the old hit and miss engines) that look like they were built in the early 1900's... just chugging along.
I had a 97 Ford F-350 that was my daily driver for 5 years using nothing but waste vegetable oil that I pumped out of oil dumpsters at the back of restaurants. I drove to mexico three times and all the way to Costa Rica and back. I’m sure I paid for the truck a few times over in fuel cost savings. It had a fuel filter that doubled as a heat exchanger using coolant from the engine, and a separate tank for oil that was also heated by coolant. No issues with reduced power at any time. Ran quieter due to better lubrication of the injectors. Truck started on diesel, then switched over to oil once engine heated up. Oil system and truck was working fine when I sold the truck about six years ago. No issues with clogging, etc.
heating oil IS DIESEL FUEL from before they took the sulphur out and added the red dye. the dye is there so they can tell if you're running non-taxed fuel.
In the 90s I ran my Land Rover discovery 200tdi on 20lts of cooking oil from Costco the 20ltr drum cost £9.99 I always had at least half a tank of diesel topped up with veg oil. The diesel engine ran quieter and pulled a bit harder but the only problem it did smell like cooking chips and if we went out in a group of off-roaders they asked me to be at the rear of the group to stop people feeling hungry. It did save me loads of money using the cooking oil.
Years back I had diesel car and the price of vegetable cooking oil was at an all time low. Half the price of diesel so I ran it on the veg oil. Thing is it smelt like I was frying food but it ran great. Engine noise was almost zero with the heavier veg oil. Tappet noise was totally gone. It really did quieten everything a lot. No problems with starting it up etc.
It should be noted that, if you accidentally fill with gasoline instead of diesel, you can adjust the viscosity with mineral oil for the engine, if there is still room in the tank. The thicker the oil, the less oil is needed. And the viscosity of the fuel is necessary to prevent the high pressure pump from seizing. This way you can save the engine, and the day, without additional costs for emptying the tank in service. @Andrey, you can do the following experiment to see what is the percentage of oil plus gasoline to get the right viscosity, so as not to destroy the engine.
Cub Cadet compact loader tractors new lititure said it had a Cat diesel but had a Perkins id an tag . CubCadet no longer has compact diesel tractors (makes) they had issues stay clear
I am just here thinking how cool it would be to swap this tiny Cat motor into my bike! Then I was thinking about how to hook it to the gearbox and adapt the clutch. I would definitely keep it yellow though.
It's nice test, tried just filtered used cooking oil in my 2013. diesel car. Because of the common rail I did it 50:50 with regular diesel. All good, no noticeable difference in driving. Just smelling like someone is frying something ;-) in my older one with "pumpe diese" or bosch mechanical pump I went 75:25 in favor of used cooking oil. The only thing to watch for is cold weather. It didn't start lightly as on diesel. So, definitely separate the reservoir and split the fuel system to start and stop the engine with diesel and run the mix through the heater coil when the engine is up the temp. Also, I would like to check for exhaust temps with each oil and clean engine sound without the music. Other than that, nice one!
For some equipment out on a Family Friends Farm we have a block warmer on the fuel tank and use old oil pumps to circulate the fuel. We use a mix of 50/50 used oil/diesel, engines don't seem to mind and they get regular maintenance too. Using the oil keeps down extra expenses on trying to send the oil to be recycled and on fuel costs.
Cool video, I had always heard this, but it was neat to see it. I will say that a diesel engine uses a high pressure pump that may wear out prematurely if you use an oil that does not lubricate as well as diesel. The fact that it burns and runs with no load is one thing, but it could be causing damage. Project farm does a lot of videos where he does basic film strength / lubricity testing, and it always surprises me how well some oils lubricate, so perhaps most or all of these would be fine.
My good friend was running his old diesel car on transformer oil for a long time(like 5-8 years) as he have been working in electricity and have big supply of used transformer oil.
@@MrActionPL1 I don't know what country you are in, and I might be wrong with this information, but you may not want to share that information. I was under the impression that transformer oil was full of PCBs and is highly toxic and cancer causing. From what I recall, there was a lot of talk about PCBs in the late 80s through the 90s and I feel like burning that oil in a car would be pumping that stuff into the air and probably very much frowned upon / illegal / hazardous... Maybe I'm missing something, but those are my thoughts on that.
Grape seed oil has a very high ignition point. About 25 years ago in my Country a famous Musician who had retired from touring used to go around to take away food shops that used cooking oil and collected their used oil. he kept it and filtered it and ran it in his diesel 4X4. The oil was free to him.
This is a fairly simple engine so it will run on almost everything. The much more specialized new car engines with tons of sensors, turbo, more advanced injection, particle filters and stuff, will begin to have problems with different fuels like these.
@@CaptHollister It is more of a cover own ass. Other fuels might require other oil change intervals or different performance in cold or warm weather. Mixing fuels also makes it a bit tricky to guess what happens in the tank and hoses. My lawnmover forbids any blend of ethanol fuel, but it is pretty much impossible to buy gasoline without ethanol here, so I have to ignore that requirement.
Diesel and heating oil are pretty similar; the main difference being in taxes paid for diesel vs heating oil. The second difference is the wax contents; never try to run heating oil in a vehicle in winter, it will haze and turn to gel due to it's high paraffin contents. AFAIK sulphur contents is now very low in both fuels.
Great experiment. I mis old transformer mineral oil 50/50 with diesel in our old Nissan diesel car and in the lister diesel generator with no problems at all.
my father used to tell me about a tank retriever they had in the korean war that had a fuel selector on the dash that you could select anything combustible, when switched to gasoline it had an oil injector to help with lubrication
In Houston it was a Hurricane that changed everyday life , no fuel for gas stations during a week of plants recovering the flooding . I had a W123 Mercedes and recovered used 55 gallons of veggie oil sitting for a few months . It’s a micron sock filter you pump the oil through then make it thinner with other mixtures added to get a desired batch . Different straight tank runs are out their to explore . My week of needed reserves did the trick , was able to get through the event , the w123 617 didn’t skip a beat .
old deuce military trucks had a manual telling you what fuels it could run on. Diesel of course, kerosene, 2 types of jet fuel, gasoline for emergency, and filtered out motor oil and you could mix it all together if needed
Thank you so much for showing us people to reuse waste oil in either your car or heating your hot water an your home at same time , just make sure you filter dirty oils with a paint strainer an the a funnel with cardboard tubes filled with toilet paper set this up over clean bottle or bucket because it takes time to pass through toilet paper but once its through paper its clean an safe for most diesel engines to use , but regularly run plash of diesel through tank just to prevent sludging or gelling of the fuel lines an injector pump an injectors , this will or should give you reliable service , and for sake of 30 40 dollars replace fuel filters say every 150 200 hours , used cooking oil can be picked up for free by 44 gallon drum at takeaway food stores just go ask them 1st , 9/10 they will be glad to have you take it for free ,, cost them money to have it taken away
The catch or downside is the chimney will become oily dirty and difficult to clean later. In a vehicle the vegetable oil cause a gum to form and create a type of fungus. I'm not expert just relating what I learned from furnace and truck mechanics over the years. I would put some small amount in with the correct fuel rather than entirely different thing daily.
When I worked for a Cat dealer (H.O.Penn) I used a container that was to have diesel fuel in it, instead it had new 15W40 oil. It ran fine, it was a 3406B engine.
I know you said you can't do any load testing, but that's really the only way to know for sure. I don't think it's fair to say those liquids were comparable as fuel after this test, only that they all succeeded in keeping the engine running at idle
You can compare the energy density of the different oils and have a good expectation of the change in power output. I run used motor oil in my tractor.
The only issue with diesels running wacky fuels is you need to make sure you either add a lubricant to the fuel (kerosene needs an additive for example) or the fuel you use needs to be a lubricant itself. You run the risk of ruining the engine otherwise, thick oils also need thinning in colder climates otherwise it'll just jell
You won't damage the pump or injectors on the old style diesels withe these different oils because the have more lubricity than the new diesel fuel. As for gelling in the winter need a warmer in the tank.
We use to dump a quart of trans fluid in the filter after service she start up perfect. Someone didn't tie off the handle on the oil truck to mark kerosene so we rolled in late filled both trucks up with it and didn't hurt nothing we went to Canada then mass and back to Maine.
you can run a diesel engine on any kind of oil. i ran my ford 7.3 diesel on peppermint oil once and also tried baby oil in it and it ran perfect with both
You should monitor temps as well. You will see more of a difference in the fuels based on temp rather than RPM. Also running at idle vs under load will yeild different results. An engine may idle well but wont neccesarily rev up well.
The main problem with vegetable oils is the glycerine in the oil. It will eventually "gum up" the fuel supply system, especially when it gets cold. Starting the engine on diesel, switching to run on (heated) veg oil, and then switching back to diesel for a while to purge the fuel system of veg oil before shutdown is the way to run a dual fuel (veg/diesel) engine. You can process (crack) the veg oil with wood alcohol to separate the glycerine from the oil. The glycerine can be used industrially, after further processing.
Yes it'll run on cooking oil, but cooling oil lacks the lubricity to lubricate the pump and injectors as well as the viscosity being so thick it can damage parts. Also the oil will break down rubber, this means rubber hoses, o-rings, etc.. Technically a diesel will run on any oil based lubricant, or oil substance. How well it will run and how long it'll last will vary.
On the older diesels not designed for ultra low sulfur diesel fuel it was common practice for a lot of guys to buy a small bottle of ATF and mix it in with every fill up.
You would actually be better off turning those vegetable based oils into propper transesterified bio-diesel. Which is a mono-gliceride fuel. If you run any form of tri-gliceride vegetable oil in a diesel engine you will soon wear the motor out as well as clogging lines injectors and filters with gum and acids, the more used the oil the higher the acidity and all vegetable oils are acidic and need to be PH balanced. I ran my Nissan on biodiesel for the 7 years I had it and no major dramas. The motor was an LD 20. Ran better on Bio than regular. But would drink more.
Great information. It is a blessing that we share our knowledge with each other. I am interested in diesel engine technology in order to set up my own independent systems .
@@patrickjohnson2225 like with running a petrol/gasoline motor on alcohol or propane or Natural gas. Tuning it with appropriate timing etc also works wonders. Takes a little more energy to fire Bio diesel, but it burns a bit faster because of the natural nitrous oxide in the oil.
When we changed our fuel filters on a 425hp Caterpillar engine, we always filled the new canister filter with automatic transmission fluid to avoid getting the fuel system air-locked. They run perfectly on ATF.
I overhauled an old Deutz F6L423 and test ran it on the dyno test bench late in the evening before knocking off for the day. The following day I was to run and test it some more before sealing it up for transport. Someone had used my diesel for cleaning, and they had filled it back up. Testing went perfectly as expected but for some reason the exhaust which was crystal clear would burn and sting my eyes and had a very different smell. I found out that the fuel can had been filled with degreasing fluid. The engine ran and performed exactly to documented specs and apart from the sting and smell you would never guess it was running on anything other than diesel fuel.
@@andreysmirnovusa Yes mate , its air cooled. Think big air-cooled motorcycle engine with individual heads and cylinders except in a V configuration and a large fan at the end in the center of the V sucking air in and pushing it through to the other end. Simple but effective.
@@machew2009 Correct, that is Caterpillars designation for this Perkins engine. Perkins has been a subsidiary of Cat for over 20 years… (Cat engines smaller than about 200 horsepower are made by Perkins)
Some people here in germany do run their Diesel engines straight on vegetable oil, mostly elderly cars like VW Passat and Mercedes 200. In the reservoir a heating coil keeps it flowing during cold weather conditions.
VW passat use the same engines as all VAG group cars so nothing specific, but yes old Mercedes 200 to 300 W123-124 work good with vegetable oil, best is rapeseed oil, but need a very serious filtering to avoid damages in the injection pump...I known a engineer who modify he's W124 300 with a additional small tank with diesel fuel for start and during oil heating, and a inverter to swich to the main tank filled with french fries oil (filtered with a professionnal very fine filtering system): work perfect but he's car smells a bit french fries...
We can't do that here in the United States because they tax our vegetable oil as if it was diesel it used to be cheaper but that's not the case anymore
Cool video ! I’d imagine most any type of fluid that has some sort of oil base will work on an mechanical style diesel pump engine! Could always dilute some of the thicker oils with diesel fuel if the viscosity is too thick! Freezing temps would be the only factor imo of using other oils as fuel!
The cold will prevent starting Some of the oils here will solidify and therefore can’t be pumped at colder temperatures … It’s the triglycerides that are in some oils that turn solid with cold
It is also about deposits on the cylinder head and lubrication. Multi-fuel engines like the Leopard 2's diesel eat basically anything that burns and can be pumped. However, it is stipulated that about 60% of the fuel used should be diesel in order to maintain the durability of the engine. The rest can be basically any flammable liquid, alcohol, kerosene, oil (vegetable, animal or earth), gasoline... . However, no liquid containing water should be filled in, since water is not compressible and can thus destroy the motor.
I have run both VAG's IDI and TDI 4, 5 and 6 cylinder (volvo) engines on sunflower oil, corn oil, hydraulic oil, engine oil and generator oil. In warm weather, no problem. In colder temps mixed with diesel if not preheated. Basically all the oils gave more power and lower consumption than pure diesel. 👍
other things to try. 1. running it on heating fuel, k1 fuel for space heaters and model fuel (the clear alcohol like fuel used in rc engines) 2. run rc engines from diesel, heating fuel and k1. i think you can put the engine under load if the alternator is still on it you can wire up the alternator to be able to charge the battery and then short the output of the alternator that should put enough of a load.
@@josephpadula2283 the engine probably was pulled from a junk yard machine that was probably involved in car crash or was the result of a manufacturer refusal to repair a machine someone tried to repair by hacking the brain box due to the anti right to repair. plus you could buy a new fuel pump at your auto parts store as well as a new alternator. as for the costs you can get that paid by cashing out some of your videos. if you dont want to sacrifice the fuel pump you can go to your auto parts store and buy a cheap diesel pump for a vw car that was involved in the cheat scandal and if you dont want to sacrifice the alternator you can buy one at an auto parts store or even go to a junk yard.
I ran an old International 414 tractor on mineral oil I salvaged from a used hydro transformer. Used quick start to help it start in the cold and it ran very well.
Very cool video. Thanks for doing it! ON another note though, I hope you didn't ruin your little Diesel Engine doing this... (I know little small diesels cost a lot in the US at least...)
YES diesels will run on vegetable oil. We can go all the way back to ww2, diesel was scarce in many parts of Europe during the war, military vehicles such as trucks and tanks would use vegetable oil since vegetable oil was a little easier to get even used cooking vegetable oil was used, the only problem was it would often freeze when the temperature drop below the freezing mark, so often it was mixed with some alcohol to help prevent the vegetable oil from freezing in the lines during winter. true facts :)
You should know, I live in Indonesia, I use crude palm oil (CPO) to fuel my truck, which loads at least 80 tons more palm oil to the mill. This is very damaging because crude palm oil has a lot of residue, I modified the fuel filter and increased the speed of the fuel pump.
Great video... Just don't let the engine stand for more then 6 hours with any oil other then diesel fuel. Otherwise growth and geling can happen causing internal problems. Heat the oil to 100 degrees Fahrenheit. Run a dual tank system to start/stop engine on diesel fuel esp in colder temperatures.
As diesels are governed engines, I am not surprised that the RPM's were pretty consistent no matter what the little motor was burning. What would have been more interesting is the change in throttle position.
Most likely made by Shibara or Perkins. Caterpillar owns both of those companies and puts those engines in their construction equipment, hence the yellow paint and cat branding.
I used all of those oils in my 6.9 V8 Diesel. This includes Jets fuel which is kerosene. I was given a few 205 liters barrels of rancid cooking oil. The Diesel engine burned it, no problem. I did not notice any changes to the performance.
Thank you for the video. Would love to see you build a load tester and do some more scientific testing with fuel consumption and temperatures recorded. Thanks!
My father run a Bedford truck for many years, maybe 5 or more on 3 parts crude oil and 2 parts power kerosene. This saved on fuel tax in Australia. Also I met a man running a Toyota Hilux Ute on cooking oil from food shops. He filtered it, to remove food scaps etc.
This experiment is useless in a way, unless you ran it for around 100-200+ hours on each fuel. Diesels run on any oil, by their initial and basic design (mercedes calls their diesel engine by OM code, as in oilmotor for a reason), that's nothing wow about it. The issue is with these random oils, like heating oil, is the additives in them. Or for straight raw vegetable oil, it's viscosity and injector design on modern diesels that don't account for such a high viscosity. Or the way the piston rings are made thinner and thinner to give better mpg, allowing unburned vegetable oil to reach the oil sump, diluting the engine oil.
The original diesel engine which was made by Rudolph diesel was made to run on peanut oil and several other types of oil because it was made during war time
diesel engines are engineered to work at vegetable ois at first place. Well, it is no suprice that diesel engine works at vegetable oil, or other oils. Back days I had an old mercedes benz, and I used to fill the tank with what ever oil I had. Transmission fluid, vegetable oils, hydraulic oils etc. All oils was just great. My old mercedes just worked like perfect, no matter what oil I used. That caterpillar engine is abaut same kind of engine. It eats all kind of oils, and no any complain. Cool!
I’ve run various vehicles on waste vegetable oil for years. They run fine, but need more frequent filter changes, and some people say that it doesn’t lubricate the pump and injectors as efficiently. Cold weather starting performance is slightly worse, and it feels like there may be a slight loss of peak power.
Interesting results. On a side note. Many years ago I managed to run a 2 stroke moped on a lot of different solvents. Most notably leather polish mixed with vegetable oil and CRC 5-56. My guess is that if the motor is not to complicated ut will run on anything close to it's intended fuel. It might hurt it in the long run though.
You can use vegetable oil, but from what I heard in the past is that the oil has to be kept HOT in the tank and the fuel lines so that the GLYCERINE does not sludge out and clog things.
The first diesel was made by Rudolf Cummins, it ran on peanut oil. All diesels are oil burners. Viscosity and temperature will have its affects but it will burn oil.
I try and stay away from full synthetic oils because of additives that could react with other mineral-based oils in the fuel system. Besides that, it will run on anything half "oily". I thin my oils down with Paraffin or diesel as my vehicle does not have a lift pump, and uses the diesel injector pump to draw all the way from the tank. This can cause feeding issues in extreme cold and possible damage to the pump. I use all old oils retrieved from oil changes done on cars, veggie oils from fryers and everything in between. Some of the best oils is ATF which acts as a great fuel system cleaner. Transformer oil is another good one, but does tend to capture a lot of moisture. Any mix of these oils as you get your hands on them works as well. Right down to JetA1 will work, I just spike it with cooking oil or 2 stroke for some additional lubrication. ***DISCLAIMER**** DON'T RUN A COMMON RAIL DIESEL ENGINE ON THESE OILS.
I know this is years older but if you didn't already find out the hard way, if you ran thick oil though it without flushing with diesel before turning it off, you fuel lines will be clogged when the engine cools down. You can mix things like alcohol, acetone,gas, exc to get the viscosity right. I like acetone.
Anyone who's witnessed a diesel runaway knows very well that diesels run great on motor oil.
Hearsay. I but you know not a single person who ever was at a diesel runaway. They are possible but very, very unlikely. It's a nightmare tale invented by the US petrol assoc.
@ not at all. Diesels don't have a throttle like a gasoline engine. So if you have an outside fuel source being sucked into the intake (flammable vapors, oil leaking into the turbo air intake side, etc) you can't control it, and the engine will run away unless you choke the air.
@@kyletrummel69 That's why all USMC motorpool NCOs are required to carry a clipboard at all times. They fit flush up against all sealed air intake tubes as demonstrated day one on the job for all newbies and again throughout most field days on ready line.
Semper Fi!!
@ It's not hard to use preventative measures to ensure that it doesn't happen, but to say it's 'very, very unlikely' and a 'nightmare tale invented by the US petrol assoc" is grossly misinformed my friend.
@ happened to me once. It was the first startup after a friend of mine turboed his Detroit 6.2. The whole deal lasted for around two and a half seconds. I told him to hold a small wooden board right next to the air intake just incase. And wouldn't you know it, after five very hard knocks, it ran away. The engine was toast afterwards
As far as I understand the diesel motor was originally designed to run on various vegetable based oils. Petroleum oils was not the diesels first intended oil to burn
Thats right!
@Yuck Foutube Exactly, but the inventor had to modify it, so it can run on heavy oil to make it interesting for heavy machinery
So true. From now on I want all engines I buy to be diesel even if it is a luxury car.
"Engine" not "motor"
@@olfreal
No.
Diesel was a waste product of cracking oil and producing petrol (gasoline)
The refineries had no use for diesel...
until they realised it could be used as a fuel in "diesel" engines....
The rest is history.
About 20 years ago I had a friend who had a roughly 150 mile return commute every day. He bought a Citroen AX 1.5 Diesel for this commute. Now for anyone not European these were a very small, very light, very economical car that could do well over 80mpg in the right conditions. He got waste cooking oil from his local chip shop and refined it for use in the Citroen. The company he worked for gave him a travel allowance of £300 every week so he basically got this all into his pocket
I HAD A FRIEND WHO WAS A MECHANIC WHO OWNED AN OLD PEUGEOT GOT OIL FROM THE FROM FISH AND CHIP SHOP AND PUT THROUGH A FILTER PAPER AND THE SAME WITH WAST OIL FROM SERVICING CARS DID IT FOR YEARS. CANNOT DO IT ON MODERN CARS DUE TO DAMAGING HIGH PRESSURE FUEL PUMP AND THE SEALS..
Now this is the fun stuff that I remember RUclips always having on. It's nice to see stuff like this come back on more often.
Dumb stuff... It never went away.
so true. Curious and engineuos people doing their thing. Without a million of disclaimers
Fake, hahaha
How many times can you watch someone answer the same 120 year old questions. Let’s answer some new questions.
@@HappyHarryHardon I never get tired of ice cream. But I do get tired of running after the truck.😆
Dang, I wanted to see you run it off the mix of leftovers in that glass at the end!
same
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Rudolph diesel originally designed and intended for his engine to run on peanut oil I believe. You can run diesels with an older style non high pressure common rail system on pretty much anything flammable. The ldt 465 multifuel will run on pretty much anything including gasoline.
My 1.9 alh diesel would run on anything . Its own oil changes, gear oil, i got two 55 gallon drums of waste machine oil, a little atf, extreme ammounts of additives like Marvel Mystery Oil, it did not care . It was modified to have over double the stock power and I drove it hard . Those old diesels were industructable . I ended up selling the car with 302k miles still going strong.
Combustable not flammable. There is a difference.
He originally intended his engine to run on coal dust, but that didn’t work well. Caterpillar originally marketed their diesel as a multi fuel engine, I remember reading an old ad of theirs talking about a soybean farm, that ran all of their tractors on soybean oil.
Feb 21, 2019 - The Diesel-Engine was originally made to run on HEMP-OIL ! In 1893, German inventor Rudolph Diesel published a paper entitled "The Theory ...
@@jusportel fist diesel run on coal dust but this wear the engine very fast (abrasive dust in the smoke), this explain why this was not use...In Europe the most use vegetable oil was rapseed oil because it's the fluidest and the cheapest...
I knew the heating oil would work. Had a friend that bought a house in the mid 2000s and their was two 1,000 gallon heating oil tanks full on his property that he wanted gone. I had an old F350 with the 7.3L IDI engine in it. I ran almost 2,000 gallons of the stuff through it with no issues. I was nice not having a fuel bill for a while.
It is illegal to do so in us as it is Red colored and had no tax paid on it . Home heating oil is sane as diesel except the Cetane is not checked .
Off road diesel for tractors for example is red. If they find the dye in your fuel filter you are in trouble…
I mean, heating oil is basically red diesel which is a diesel fuel that doesn't have huge tax on them and usually been colored red so only farm equipment able to use them, you pretty lucky law enforcement doesn't pull you over and fine you because you use red diesel
You shouldn’t let it go to waste but you can’t Legally use it on Road.
Sell to farmer , use in generators ,
Front end loaders etc.
I worked on a harbor tug 35 years ago and every crew member but me had a diesel car or truck….
Just warning people what the law is, take your chances if you must, but know.
@@josephpadula2283 they just dip the tanks with a cloth now
@@josephpadula2283 One of my old bosses was a truck driver owner operator 47 years experience.
He was starting out just as WWII ended.
He told me truck drivers were caught cheating by the Ministry back then.
It was Blue dye and would create a blue haze on the engine as it's running.
Big fines. I remember him saying anything more than a couple shot glasses worth dumped in and it would show up and that was in the 40s.
We ran his Drott shovel on Boiler Oil many times he said the ash was dry vs Diesel oil otherwise it's identical.
Can't use Bunker Oil unless you pre heat to 350F if I remember right. Impossible to wash off if you get it on something it's coal black. We had about a drum worth of the stuff from a scrapped Freighter.
Diesel motors are truly my favorite engines. They are so diverse and reliable and can run on almost anything. As long as they are pure engines and not tampered with by green weenies.
Why do you think they are being "phased out"
@@wadebrewer7212 its an environmental thing, its the same with any other crude oil based engines i.e spark ignition engines, jet engines. its not just diesels.
but 100% diesels are so much more reliable and with a much larger fuel efficiency
I have an old ('95) BMW turbodiesel, and as an experiment I ran it on Sunflower oil & Rapeseed oil earlier this year, with a bit of petrol thrown in to thin the cooking oils a bit.
Ran perfectly. Smelled like a chip shop too, which was nice.
It also got a mix of ATF and standard paint thinners (50%/50% toluene/xylene) mixed in with diesel to clean out the injectors.
I had an old Transit van with a 2.5L non-turbo diesel which would run on almost anything. - Went to watch drag racing in it once, and drove 145 miles home on all the cooking oil people had left behind after the weekend's racing. Mix of all sorts.
The Transit also got old engine oil chucked into ithe fuel tank occasionally. It didn't mind that either.
The original Rudolf Diesel prototype actually ran on coal dust. It exploded. The inventor designed the revision to run on anything combustible that could be sprayed into the cylinders. Be aware, however, that there is a certain amount of lubricity required in the fuel for upper cylinder longevity that may not be present in the oils used here. As others have stated, power level is unknown without load testing.
the abandon from coal dust is the fast wearing from the engine because produce lot of abrasive dust, not the explosion
@@leneanderthalien Of course, but I'm quite sure the explosion was more of an incentive. 🤣
vegetable oils are fine to run in this, just flush with diesel fuel for a few min before shutting down.
Not sure the ATF was a great idea though ... the pump might not have liked that one very much.
@@detaart iv run small amounts of ATF in my 5.9 Cummins with no issues. I would NOT recommend it nowadays however as most ATF fluids have friction modifiers intended for clutch packs and would probably destroy a P-Pump or sand blast the top of your cylinder head. My best guess anyways.
@@NoblesTx i would imagine a little bit is fine to help keep things clean, but the idea of running it on pure atf makes me a but uncomfortable
I'm from Indonesia and have been using a mixture of cooking oil + engine oil for 6 years with a composition of 50:50, and have never had a problem until now.
the engine sound becomes smoother and more powerful
In my country many people have used it for years😁😁
I recall a long term test of sunflower oil in a diesel back in the early 80s , the tank started to collect a heavy slug. A result of the heating and reheating the oil in the return line. BTW, there are diesels out in the oil fields that run on just filtered crude oil.
It's like sticky chewing gum. Have to scrape it away.
Near where I live there are 3 diesel engines that run on crude oil, they are 3 stories high and generate electricity for the grid. 2 are 65,000 HP and one is 100,000 HP.
@@grancitodos7318 do they run 24 hours per day? Wonder how many hours they have in them?
I was on a cross country trip and rode through an oil field... there were single cylinder diesels (looked like the old hit and miss engines) that look like they were built in the early 1900's... just chugging along.
Bunker oil.
I had a 97 Ford F-350 that was my daily driver for 5 years using nothing but waste vegetable oil that I pumped out of oil dumpsters at the back of restaurants. I drove to mexico three times and all the way to Costa Rica and back. I’m sure I paid for the truck a few times over in fuel cost savings. It had a fuel filter that doubled as a heat exchanger using coolant from the engine, and a separate tank for oil that was also heated by coolant. No issues with reduced power at any time. Ran quieter due to better lubrication of the injectors. Truck started on diesel, then switched over to oil once engine heated up. Oil system and truck was working fine when I sold the truck about six years ago. No issues with clogging, etc.
heating oil IS DIESEL FUEL from before they took the sulphur out and added the red dye. the dye is there so they can tell if you're running non-taxed fuel.
In the 90s I ran my Land Rover discovery 200tdi on 20lts of cooking oil from Costco the 20ltr drum cost £9.99 I always had at least half a tank of diesel topped up with veg oil. The diesel engine ran quieter and pulled a bit harder but the only problem it did smell like cooking chips and if we went out in a group of off-roaders they asked me to be at the rear of the group to stop people feeling hungry. It did save me loads of money using the cooking oil.
Years back I had diesel car and the price of vegetable cooking oil was at an all time low. Half the price of diesel so I ran it on the veg oil. Thing is it smelt like I was frying food but it ran great. Engine noise was almost zero with the heavier veg oil. Tappet noise was totally gone. It really did quieten everything a lot. No problems with starting it up etc.
Awesome little engine, thanks for the demonstration 👍 ~
It would be interesting to see how the engine performs under a load with the different oils
It should be noted that, if you accidentally fill with gasoline instead of diesel, you can adjust the viscosity with mineral oil for the engine, if there is still room in the tank. The thicker the oil, the less oil is needed. And the viscosity of the fuel is necessary to prevent the high pressure pump from seizing. This way you can save the engine, and the day, without additional costs for emptying the tank in service.
@Andrey, you can do the following experiment to see what is the percentage of oil plus gasoline to get the right viscosity, so as not to destroy the engine.
If you ever put gas in a diesel the best oil to add is 90-weight gear oil because it has a high sulfur content for lubrication of the injector pump
2:05 It's the same thing as diesel, but its red, and don't have additives in it. As well as it's cheaper.
I had no idea Cat ever made a diesel engine that small.
It's probably a yanmar or Kubota or something else rebadged
(Edit: appears to be a Perkins 402D-05)
Thank you ! Never knew Cat made one that small so great you posted Perkins rebadge..
Cub Cadet compact loader tractors new lititure said it had a Cat diesel but had a Perkins id an tag . CubCadet no longer has compact diesel tractors (makes) they had issues stay clear
I have the 4 cylinder version.
It's actually made by Perkins.
Mine says made in England
@@juliogonzo2718 Yep, its a Perkins made engine. I have one that came from a truck APU (Auxiliary Power Unit)
I am just here thinking how cool it would be to swap this tiny Cat motor into my bike! Then I was thinking about how to hook it to the gearbox and adapt the clutch. I would definitely keep it yellow though.
It's nice test, tried just filtered used cooking oil in my 2013. diesel car. Because of the common rail I did it 50:50 with regular diesel. All good, no noticeable difference in driving. Just smelling like someone is frying something ;-) in my older one with "pumpe diese" or bosch mechanical pump I went 75:25 in favor of used cooking oil. The only thing to watch for is cold weather. It didn't start lightly as on diesel. So, definitely separate the reservoir and split the fuel system to start and stop the engine with diesel and run the mix through the heater coil when the engine is up the temp.
Also, I would like to check for exhaust temps with each oil and clean engine sound without the music. Other than that, nice one!
For some equipment out on a Family Friends Farm we have a block warmer on the fuel tank and use old oil pumps to circulate the fuel. We use a mix of 50/50 used oil/diesel, engines don't seem to mind and they get regular maintenance too. Using the oil keeps down extra expenses on trying to send the oil to be recycled and on fuel costs.
I love the size, sound and look of this engine.
@@pbdropshot5369 it sure sounds like you might need to marry this engine 😉
@@andreysmirnovusa I would love to get my hands on one to put it in a boat.
fun experiment/demonstration… but what I’m impressed with is that super cool little engine, I’d love to have one of those!
Its either a Cat C0.5 or Cat C0.7 either a 13hp or 17hp motor. Really heavy for the HP
kubota z482 is about the same thing
When I went to school for diesel, we ran a Cummins N14 collect and 60 series 12.7 DDEC3 and a CAT 3116 on home made biodiesel with injector lubricant
Cool video, I had always heard this, but it was neat to see it. I will say that a diesel engine uses a high pressure pump that may wear out prematurely if you use an oil that does not lubricate as well as diesel. The fact that it burns and runs with no load is one thing, but it could be causing damage.
Project farm does a lot of videos where he does basic film strength / lubricity testing, and it always surprises me how well some oils lubricate, so perhaps most or all of these would be fine.
My good friend was running his old diesel car on transformer oil for a long time(like 5-8 years) as he have been working in electricity and have big supply of used transformer oil.
@@MrActionPL1 I don't know what country you are in, and I might be wrong with this information, but you may not want to share that information. I was under the impression that transformer oil was full of PCBs and is highly toxic and cancer causing. From what I recall, there was a lot of talk about PCBs in the late 80s through the 90s and I feel like burning that oil in a car would be pumping that stuff into the air and probably very much frowned upon / illegal / hazardous...
Maybe I'm missing something, but those are my thoughts on that.
@@MrActionPL1 www.epa.gov/pcbs/learn-about-polychlorinated-biphenyls-pcbs
Grape seed oil has a very high ignition point.
About 25 years ago in my Country a famous Musician who had retired from touring used to go around to take away food shops that used cooking oil and collected their used oil. he kept it and filtered it and ran it in his diesel 4X4. The oil was free to him.
you should be checking the exhaust temperature, the engine has a governor
The inventor of the Diesel engine...
*Rudolph Diesel designed his engines to run on Peanut oil !*
LIKED/SUBSCRIBED !
This is a fairly simple engine so it will run on almost everything.
The much more specialized new car engines with tons of sensors, turbo, more advanced injection, particle filters and stuff, will begin to have problems with different fuels like these.
My owner's manual warns against using anything other than diesel fuel, limiting even biodiesel to no more than B5.
@@CaptHollister It is more of a cover own ass.
Other fuels might require other oil change intervals or different performance in cold or warm weather.
Mixing fuels also makes it a bit tricky to guess what happens in the tank and hoses.
My lawnmover forbids any blend of ethanol fuel, but it is pretty much impossible to buy gasoline without ethanol here, so I have to ignore that requirement.
I ran my Skoda Octavia (PD Engine) on 15-20% Cooking Oil for many years, no issues, no problems, low emissions on MOT test.
Diesel and heating oil are pretty similar; the main difference being in taxes paid for diesel vs heating oil. The second difference is the wax contents; never try to run heating oil in a vehicle in winter, it will haze and turn to gel due to it's high paraffin contents. AFAIK sulphur contents is now very low in both fuels.
Great experiment. I mis old transformer mineral oil 50/50 with diesel in our old Nissan diesel car and in the lister diesel generator with no problems at all.
you confirmed that this engine is very good, they could do it for cars. nice video.
my father used to tell me about a tank retriever they had in the korean war that had a fuel selector on the dash that you could select anything combustible, when switched to gasoline it had an oil injector to help with lubrication
In Houston it was a Hurricane that changed everyday life , no fuel for gas stations during a week of plants recovering the flooding . I had a W123 Mercedes and recovered used 55 gallons of veggie oil sitting for a few months . It’s a micron sock filter you pump the oil through then make it thinner with other mixtures added to get a desired batch . Different straight tank runs are out their to explore . My week of needed reserves did the trick , was able to get through the event , the w123 617 didn’t skip a beat .
W123 is a legend! I'm glad it worked for ya!
old deuce military trucks had a manual telling you what fuels it could run on. Diesel of course, kerosene, 2 types of jet fuel, gasoline for emergency, and filtered out motor oil and you could mix it all together if needed
Thank you so much for showing us people to reuse waste oil in either your car or heating your hot water an your home at same time , just make sure you filter dirty oils with a paint strainer an the a funnel with cardboard tubes filled with toilet paper set this up over clean bottle or bucket because it takes time to pass through toilet paper but once its through paper its clean an safe for most diesel engines to use , but regularly run plash of diesel through tank just to prevent sludging or gelling of the fuel lines an injector pump an injectors , this will or should give you reliable service , and for sake of 30 40 dollars replace fuel filters say every 150 200 hours , used cooking oil can be picked up for free by 44 gallon drum at takeaway food stores just go ask them 1st , 9/10 they will be glad to have you take it for free ,, cost them money to have it taken away
The catch or downside is the chimney will become oily dirty and difficult to clean later.
In a vehicle the vegetable oil cause a gum to form and create a type of fungus.
I'm not expert just relating what I learned from furnace and truck mechanics over the years. I would put some small amount in with the correct fuel rather than entirely different thing daily.
When I worked for a Cat dealer (H.O.Penn) I used a container that was to have diesel fuel in it, instead it had new 15W40 oil. It ran fine, it was a 3406B engine.
Person that loaded it should be looking for a new job. Person that used it should be looking for a new job.
I know you said you can't do any load testing, but that's really the only way to know for sure. I don't think it's fair to say those liquids were comparable as fuel after this test, only that they all succeeded in keeping the engine running at idle
He wasn't testing for power output.
@@RichieCat4223 Which makes the test pointless
@@stuartruss7536 Not really.
And the governor is keeping the engine RPM the same 😅
You can compare the energy density of the different oils and have a good expectation of the change in power output. I run used motor oil in my tractor.
That is the coolest little diesel engine!
One thing about what you have done here... running the ATF last. That engine is good and fogged. Ready for deep long-term storage.
Is that a bad thing?
@@jetstream454 no. Its S.O.P to fog an engine before any extended storage period to keep the cylinders from rusting. ATF works very well.
What a cute little engine…I want one also!
The only issue with diesels running wacky fuels is you need to make sure you either add a lubricant to the fuel (kerosene needs an additive for example) or the fuel you use needs to be a lubricant itself. You run the risk of ruining the engine otherwise, thick oils also need thinning in colder climates otherwise it'll just jell
They'll ruin the pump and injectors, not the engine itself.
@@jetstream454 Pump and injectors are part of the engine
You won't damage the pump or injectors on the old style diesels withe these different oils because the have more lubricity than the new diesel fuel. As for gelling in the winter need a warmer in the tank.
@@mrcaboosevg6089 They are, as you say yourself it doesn't mean the whole engine though.
If you're worried, just add some cheap 2-stroke oil to the tank.
We use to dump a quart of trans fluid in the filter after service she start up perfect. Someone didn't tie off the handle on the oil truck to mark kerosene so we rolled in late filled both trucks up with it and didn't hurt nothing we went to Canada then mass and back to Maine.
Defenetly do this experiment with the engine under a load and Mix these Oils together.
you can run a diesel engine on any kind of oil. i ran my ford 7.3 diesel on peppermint oil once and also tried baby oil in it and it ran perfect with both
You should monitor temps as well. You will see more of a difference in the fuels based on temp rather than RPM. Also running at idle vs under load will yeild different results. An engine may idle well but wont neccesarily rev up well.
that engine was running at, close to 3/4 throttle at 1,900 rpm if he idled it down to 600 it would probably die
The main problem with vegetable oils is the glycerine in the oil. It will eventually "gum up" the fuel supply system, especially when it gets cold. Starting the engine on diesel, switching to run on (heated) veg oil, and then switching back to diesel for a while to purge the fuel system of veg oil before shutdown is the way to run a dual fuel (veg/diesel) engine.
You can process (crack) the veg oil with wood alcohol to separate the glycerine from the oil. The glycerine can be used industrially, after further processing.
Yes it'll run on cooking oil, but cooling oil lacks the lubricity to lubricate the pump and injectors as well as the viscosity being so thick it can damage parts. Also the oil will break down rubber, this means rubber hoses, o-rings, etc.. Technically a diesel will run on any oil based lubricant, or oil substance. How well it will run and how long it'll last will vary.
On the older diesels not designed for ultra low sulfur diesel fuel it was common practice for a lot of guys to buy a small bottle of ATF and mix it in with every fill up.
You would actually be better off turning those vegetable based oils into propper transesterified bio-diesel. Which is a mono-gliceride fuel. If you run any form of tri-gliceride vegetable oil in a diesel engine you will soon wear the motor out as well as clogging lines injectors and filters with gum and acids, the more used the oil the higher the acidity and all vegetable oils are acidic and need to be PH balanced. I ran my Nissan on biodiesel for the 7 years I had it and no major dramas. The motor was an LD 20. Ran better on Bio than regular. But would drink more.
Great information. It is a blessing that we share our knowledge with each other. I am interested in diesel engine technology in order to set up my own independent systems .
@@patrickjohnson2225 like with running a petrol/gasoline motor on alcohol or propane or Natural gas. Tuning it with appropriate timing etc also works wonders. Takes a little more energy to fire Bio diesel, but it burns a bit faster because of the natural nitrous oxide in the oil.
When we changed our fuel filters on a 425hp Caterpillar engine, we always filled the new canister filter with automatic transmission fluid to avoid getting the fuel system air-locked. They run perfectly on ATF.
Keep in mind, these oils are new. Used fryer oil and used motor oil at a 50/50 mix with heating oil will work, but gums everything up eventually.
I overhauled an old Deutz F6L423 and test ran it on the dyno test bench late in the evening before knocking off for the day.
The following day I was to run and test it some more before sealing it up for transport.
Someone had used my diesel for cleaning, and they had filled it back up.
Testing went perfectly as expected but for some reason the exhaust which was crystal clear would burn and sting my eyes and had a very different smell.
I found out that the fuel can had been filled with degreasing fluid.
The engine ran and performed exactly to documented specs and apart from the sting and smell you would never guess it was running on anything other than diesel fuel.
At least they filled it back up lol
@@andreysmirnovusa That should have been F6L413 and not 423
@@ScatManAust is that thing air cooled? If so I wonder how they made it cool all 6 cylinders with just air in such compact design
@@andreysmirnovusa Yes mate , its air cooled.
Think big air-cooled motorcycle engine with individual heads and cylinders except in a V configuration and a large fan at the end in the center of the V sucking air in and pushing it through to the other end.
Simple but effective.
i never seen such a small cat i didnt know they made engines that small pretty cool
It’s a Perkins 402D-05
Looks like a CAT C0.5 to me 13.7 hp, 22 ft-lbs at 2600 rpm
@@machew2009 Correct, that is Caterpillars designation for this Perkins engine. Perkins has been a subsidiary of Cat for over 20 years… (Cat engines smaller than about 200 horsepower are made by Perkins)
Used as a starting engine for the big guys.
Ohh yeah I didn't think of pony motors slipped my mind lol
Some people here in germany do run their Diesel engines straight on vegetable oil, mostly elderly cars like VW Passat and Mercedes 200. In the reservoir a heating coil keeps it flowing during cold weather conditions.
VW passat use the same engines as all VAG group cars so nothing specific, but yes old Mercedes 200 to 300 W123-124 work good with vegetable oil, best is rapeseed oil, but need a very serious filtering to avoid damages in the injection pump...I known a engineer who modify he's W124 300 with a additional small tank with diesel fuel for start and during oil heating, and a inverter to swich to the main tank filled with french fries oil (filtered with a professionnal very fine filtering system): work perfect but he's car smells a bit french fries...
We can't do that here in the United States because they tax our vegetable oil as if it was diesel it used to be cheaper but that's not the case anymore
Cool video ! I’d imagine most any type of fluid that has some sort of oil base will work on an mechanical style diesel pump engine!
Could always dilute some of the thicker oils with diesel fuel if the viscosity is too thick!
Freezing temps would be the only factor imo of using other oils as fuel!
Exactly, or kerosene with a little lubrication oil. Some lubrication is needed with kero.
The cold will prevent starting
Some of the oils here will solidify and therefore can’t be pumped at colder temperatures …
It’s the triglycerides that are in some oils that turn solid with cold
It is also about deposits on the cylinder head and lubrication.
Multi-fuel engines like the Leopard 2's diesel eat basically anything that burns and can be pumped.
However, it is stipulated that about 60% of the fuel used should be diesel in order to maintain the durability of the engine.
The rest can be basically any flammable liquid, alcohol, kerosene, oil (vegetable, animal or earth), gasoline... .
However, no liquid containing water should be filled in, since water is not compressible and can thus destroy the motor.
I have run both VAG's IDI and TDI 4, 5 and 6 cylinder (volvo) engines on sunflower oil, corn oil, hydraulic oil, engine oil and generator oil.
In warm weather, no problem. In colder temps mixed with diesel if not preheated.
Basically all the oils gave more power and lower consumption than pure diesel. 👍
other things to try.
1. running it on heating fuel, k1 fuel for space heaters and model fuel (the clear alcohol like fuel used in rc engines)
2. run rc engines from diesel, heating fuel and k1.
i think you can put the engine under load if the alternator is still on it you can wire up the alternator to be able to charge the battery and then short the output of the alternator that should put enough of a load.
Dont try the tv model fuel!
No viscosity to lube the injection pump.
Will damage it.
If you short out an alternator you will have fried alternator!
@@josephpadula2283 the engine probably was pulled from a junk yard machine that was probably involved in car crash or was the result of a manufacturer refusal to repair a machine someone tried to repair by hacking the brain box due to the anti right to repair. plus you could buy a new fuel pump at your auto parts store as well as a new alternator.
as for the costs you can get that paid by cashing out some of your videos.
if you dont want to sacrifice the fuel pump you can go to your auto parts store and buy a cheap diesel pump for a vw car that was involved in the cheat scandal and if you dont want to sacrifice the alternator you can buy one at an auto parts store or even go to a junk yard.
Heating oil is just dyed diesel fuel. There is no difference.
I ran an old International 414 tractor on mineral oil I salvaged from a used hydro transformer. Used quick start to help it start in the cold and it ran very well.
Try to run it on a common rail high pressure system. It would be interesting how far it will go.
that's what most people wanna see today
Fiat 1.9 JTD common rail engine works fine on sunflower oil,checked
It runs fine in CR motors too
@@NenadTrajkovic no cel?
Very cool video. Thanks for doing it!
ON another note though, I hope you didn't ruin your little Diesel Engine doing this... (I know little small diesels cost a lot in the US at least...)
YES diesels will run on vegetable oil. We can go all the way back to ww2, diesel was scarce in many parts of Europe during the war, military vehicles such as trucks and tanks would use vegetable oil since vegetable oil was a little easier to get even used cooking vegetable oil was used, the only problem was it would often freeze when the temperature drop below the freezing mark, so often it was mixed with some alcohol to help prevent the vegetable oil from freezing in the lines during winter. true facts :)
I've been running my 2 cars, boat, lawn mower, tractor and backhoe on veggie oil for about 20 years, now!
You should know, I live in Indonesia, I use crude palm oil (CPO) to fuel my truck, which loads at least 80 tons more palm oil to the mill.
This is very damaging because crude palm oil has a lot of residue, I modified the fuel filter and increased the speed of the fuel pump.
what is your truck?
@@danielspoon1234 HINO FM 260 TI and NISSAN TZA 520, for the TZA truck I use them to mobilize excavators and bulldozers to treat oil palm fields.
Я так и подумал,что ни кто бы не догадался,сделать такой эксперимент))
Great video...
Just don't let the engine stand for more then 6 hours with any oil other then diesel fuel.
Otherwise growth and geling can happen causing internal problems.
Heat the oil to 100 degrees Fahrenheit.
Run a dual tank system to start/stop engine on diesel fuel esp in colder temperatures.
As diesels are governed engines, I am not surprised that the RPM's were pretty consistent no matter what the little motor was burning. What would have been more interesting is the change in throttle position.
this would be great to see it running on used motor oil, what a great recycling option. But corn makes the most sense, easy to grow in a abundance.
Would love to see on a full size truck engine as well.
the original diesel rudogh diesel intended was peanut oil
Actually not. Rudolf Diesel used coal dust initially in his first engines.
How about testing this on a modern diesel engine? :D
do you have the specs on that motor? HP, Torque? Who makes it? That thing is cool.
Most likely made by Shibara or Perkins. Caterpillar owns both of those companies and puts those engines in their construction equipment, hence the yellow paint and cat branding.
1:07
@@bills6093 i missed him saying 30hp.
I used all of those oils in my 6.9 V8 Diesel. This includes Jets fuel which is kerosene. I was given a few 205 liters barrels of rancid cooking oil. The Diesel engine burned it, no problem. I did not notice any changes to the performance.
Thank you for the video. Would love to see you build a load tester and do some more scientific testing with fuel consumption and temperatures recorded. Thanks!
diesels were made to run on Peanut oil, have a nice day :P
My father run a Bedford truck for many years, maybe 5 or more on 3 parts crude oil and 2 parts power kerosene. This saved on fuel tax in Australia. Also I met a man running a Toyota Hilux Ute on cooking oil from food shops. He filtered it, to remove food scaps etc.
This experiment is useless in a way, unless you ran it for around 100-200+ hours on each fuel. Diesels run on any oil, by their initial and basic design (mercedes calls their diesel engine by OM code, as in oilmotor for a reason), that's nothing wow about it. The issue is with these random oils, like heating oil, is the additives in them. Or for straight raw vegetable oil, it's viscosity and injector design on modern diesels that don't account for such a high viscosity. Or the way the piston rings are made thinner and thinner to give better mpg, allowing unburned vegetable oil to reach the oil sump, diluting the engine oil.
The original diesel engine which was made by Rudolph diesel was made to run on peanut oil and several other types of oil because it was made during war time
diesel engines are engineered to work at vegetable ois at first place. Well, it is no suprice that diesel engine works at vegetable oil, or other oils. Back days I had an old mercedes benz, and I used to fill the tank with what ever oil I had. Transmission fluid, vegetable oils, hydraulic oils etc. All oils was just great. My old mercedes just worked like perfect, no matter what oil I used. That caterpillar engine is abaut same kind of engine. It eats all kind of oils, and no any complain. Cool!
That was awesome... Great educational video on useful oils that can be used in a pinch in Diesel ( caterpillar ) motor...
we need to monitor exhaust temperature as well maybe you could do it in a future video or a continuation of this one that would be really cool.
I’ve run various vehicles on waste vegetable oil for years. They run fine, but need more frequent filter changes, and some people say that it doesn’t lubricate the pump and injectors as efficiently. Cold weather starting performance is slightly worse, and it feels like there may be a slight loss of peak power.
Interesting results. On a side note. Many years ago I managed to run a 2 stroke moped on a lot of different solvents. Most notably leather polish mixed with vegetable oil and CRC 5-56. My guess is that if the motor is not to complicated ut will run on anything close to it's intended fuel. It might hurt it in the long run though.
Andrey Smirnov: - Let's try all those oils...
Caterpillar Diesel engine: - Am I a joke for you?
You can use vegetable oil, but from what I heard in the past is that the oil has to be kept HOT in the tank and the fuel lines so that the GLYCERINE does not sludge out and clog things.
The first diesel was made by Rudolf Cummins, it ran on peanut oil. All diesels are oil burners. Viscosity and temperature will have its affects but it will burn oil.
Oil must be clean!
Used motor oil has metallic particles in it that wear on the highly polished pump parts.
My old Volkswagen Golf 2 Diesel Run on used cooking oil from Fryers, during driving emit smell of french fries.
Heating oil is essentially off-road diesel, so that wasn't surprising. In most places, it's still high in sulfur though.
I know a trucking company that did its oil change over the fuel inlet to it's in ground fuel tanks.
Should have tried the concoction you created there too
That is a sweet little diesel, would like to see more info on that.
My father used to run his old Toyota land cruiser on used McDonald oil
I try and stay away from full synthetic oils because of additives that could react with other mineral-based oils in the fuel system. Besides that, it will run on anything half "oily". I thin my oils down with Paraffin or diesel as my vehicle does not have a lift pump, and uses the diesel injector pump to draw all the way from the tank. This can cause feeding issues in extreme cold and possible damage to the pump. I use all old oils retrieved from oil changes done on cars, veggie oils from fryers and everything in between. Some of the best oils is ATF which acts as a great fuel system cleaner. Transformer oil is another good one, but does tend to capture a lot of moisture. Any mix of these oils as you get your hands on them works as well. Right down to JetA1 will work, I just spike it with cooking oil or 2 stroke for some additional lubrication. ***DISCLAIMER**** DON'T RUN A COMMON RAIL DIESEL ENGINE ON THESE OILS.
I know this is years older but if you didn't already find out the hard way, if you ran thick oil though it without flushing with diesel before turning it off, you fuel lines will be clogged when the engine cools down. You can mix things like alcohol, acetone,gas, exc to get the viscosity right. I like acetone.
Heating oil is essentially just diesel but colored red for a way to distinguish them from eachother
That is one of the most adorable CAT engines i have ever seen and probably the only one i can afford
The repair manuals call to fill fuel filters with automatic transmission fluid when changing them.