I grew up in California and went to public school and I was always very confused by why the confederacy and everything that it stood for was still around? They didn’t even teach us a more in-depth look at that until college. It scares me that kids today may not even get taught what happened. I remember asking my mom in approximately 1977, “why are there Confederate statues? Why aren’t confederates’ war criminals? And most of all why, if segregation happened why is everything still segregated?
I didn't write the above. I grew up in Sacramento but left for college in '67 and never really returned. Anyhow, a suggestion for a piece on Epigenetics and the African American experience would be really fascinating and enlightening.
Big thanks to Roy for having these incredible educational and enlightening conversations every week on comedy Central. I'm a 65 year old white guy living in a red state in the Midwest and I really appreciate this kind of perspective on the state of our country
Yay! 64 year old white woman from Lou-a-vul here! Glad I ran across this show! I protest a lot and do anti-racism work, show up at school board meetings to fight with racists, protest all the cop killings. 😖😤. But with these statues, they are literally dismantling white supremacy and they can see the results. Makes you feel hopeful. 🥰
White old lady in Ohio. This is very informative and it fires me up. I wish I could get the people I disagree with to listen to this. I hate being surrounded by people who are so set in their ways that they won't listen to reason.
PS read my former comment on this page and recycling repurposing using the same material remelted and sculptured to look like double seat bench and have the caption wording dot-dot-dot the seat of peace! Bears repeating
White old lady in Michigan. We have a democrat as Governor but that’s it, for now. Our state is almost always totally red and I live in the Grand Rapids area which is very, very red. So yeah, love Roy!
If I can realize and dislike the General Lee, My childhood favorite car due to the flag painted on the roof then people can get over this. We don't all see the racist side of the statues but I'm not going to argue the facts that are unknown to me. Take them down. American citizens don't need to be lied to to love our country.
Roy - France DOES commemorate German war-time incursions... but in the form of memorials dedicated to atrocities and victims. The notion of celebrating traitors who took up arms against the USA is preposterous 🙄🙄🙄
Yes I think we are the only country to honor losers and traitors, it is a shame and I certainly do not want these statues to remain. Maybe I feel this way bc I am born and raised in the north so perhaps I was taught a different version of history compared to southerners.
There is also at least one cemetery near Normandy that holds the the German soldiers killed during the action on, and after, the D-Day landing. It is respectful, but does not glorify the part of those defending invaders.
I'm a 60 year old white woman. I was never taught this stuff and I definitely need to know. Thanks for educating me. I grew up in Pennsylvania but when I moved to North Carolina, my husband and I were frankly shocked to see a statue "Dedicated to Our Confederate Soldiers" right in front of our town's City Courthouse! We were aghast. Thankfully it has recently been removed. They should all be destroyed.
I agree with CJ. It's important to pay attention to the success stories in order to reference effective strategies that could be implemented in other municipalities. We always hear the doomsday stories but we need increased coverage of the victorious stories. I was completely unaware of Alabama’s success in striking down Anti-CRT legislation. Thank you all for the discussion.
Weaponized hopelessness is a potent tactic. I'm sure it's strategic. It frustrates me that we don't often hear about the successes, because it makes people give up and fight less for a better future :(
And it’s not just about statues down South. In Detroit MI there is still a major street named Cass Ave, that “honors” Lewis Cass, a former US senator who wasn’t just a slaveholder in the “forever-free” Northwest Territory, but also the cheerleader for deporting the Cherokees beyond the Mississippi. That is the same Lewis Cass, BTW, whose statue represents my state in the Capitol’s Statuary Hall.
As a trans person, I truly appreciate the mention that these same groups are coming for LGBT people and women as well. Intersectionality is important; we have to stand together!
Kind of. But these movements don't always do a GREAT job of including black people. 😒 so I thing the black movement is inclusive for everyone in that they are saying raise the bar to improve things for everyone, a d their movements always have. The other movements can take a back burner until they work better on speaking for raising the bar for all marginalized groups, not just the ones with the loudest voices who don't represent all women and all sexualities outside what concerns themselves. That's been a problem for a long time. If it weren't for the black movement, civil rights as we know it wouldn't have gotten started and made the progress it has made. Speak to the benefit of all and then we can talk intersectionality being a concern, right now civil rights for all hinge on the human rights taken in racism where the bar is the lowest for everyone.
✊ the only way to have the strength and numbers to win these fights is with intersectional coalition!! We stand together or or we hang out oppressed apart. There is no equality until we all stand for each other We all need to make sure that the lead of these movements are not the worse faction of each group (like what happened with white feminism) we got to do it better this time
I am so Glad you all have been doing everything within your Power to display the truth behind those Statues. As a Brazilian Born U.S. Citizen; I had an opportunity to Walk the Legacy Museum in Montgomery, AL; And I cried with pain & Felt so ashamed of how could People have been treated so hurtful just for their skin color. I experienced it all as a white man a life changing experience for sure.
@@sandibuckland9193 why are your feelings hurt, because someone identified with the suffering inflicted on slaves? You think your life has been harder sweetie?
Great idea. I'd further add: include reading the declaration causes of seceding states. Read out loud that the states themselves wrote unequivocally and for posterity that they were seceding in order to preserve slavery. If these states want to preserve history, let them read that piece of documented history.
Ughhhhhh and as a teacher the attack on education is also super terrifying. The question on my mind has been- why? My ONLY comfort is that the people behind this know everyone and everything is changing in this country and this is them in their ideological death throes.
@@Mia_M that's interesting, because little black children don't have that luxury of not dealing with systematic racism and racial profiling...little black kids are being " adulted" by society to where 6yr old little girls are being hand cuffed by police officers...little black children have to deal with the reality of the school to prison pipeline that will most likely give them a criminal record before they reach 18...so maybe u need to rethink it & see it from a black person perspective...if u actually care...this country love to dumb down society so history can repeat itself so the cycle of oppression can continue
The confederate statues must come down- communities can develop healing rituals to celebrate annually overcoming the pain and suffering racism causes racism - turn the sculpture sites as places for people of different beliefs to come sit and talk to each other- each community that has such a space is more likely to heal and many fears of the other get dispelled with direct conversations.
I agree pretending that things are all right will never bring healing. There has to be reconciliation the white have to agree that they did wrong to the blacks .
I think the hard thing that no one wants to admit is that the ones in charge don't behave this way because they are dumb or are just resisting change, it's because they are evil.
@@Dfree2502 The Republican billionaires at the top need to rally the "lowest common denominators" behind some sort of belief -- so they can convince these people to vote against their own interest. Because no one would vote for billionaire tax cuts, corporate personhoods, etc, otherwise. So they create divisive, otherwise unrelated issues -- like guns, religion, anti-environmentalism, and prejudices -- and unify people behind it through brainwashing and propaganda. And it turns into this "go team" group-think, where you cheer for "your" team and loathe the rival. Brilliant and evil. ...I'm often surprised how many people don't notice this.
@@Dfree2502 agreed. And I just keep coming back to it as a teacher that this whole push about “crt” which NONE of the teachers in my building had even heard of before their propaganda machine churned it out all day every day, it’s all to squash dissent. To prevent people from questioning Everything. I work in CT and it’s super liberal as states go I suppose but we were not allowed to teach 5 Days by Wes Moore last year due to a parent complaining before my friend even started the book. I used to teach lessons on police brutality all the time - it wasn’t until after George Floyd was viciously murdered at the hands of the state that people decided that telling the truth was indoctrination. I’m just so sick of it. I have been thinking lately like what can we do and I have been wondering about a petition, contacting our state legislators, both ? Marches? We need a truth and reconciliation commmision. White supremacist terrorism is the most frightening thing I have ever seen. It feels exhausting to look at the news but after thinking a million times how much I miss my heroes like Elie Wiesel’s and John Lewis’ voices being here to lead us and fight for us, it’s time for us to fight back. It’s going to be a long and healed fight but there is nothing more worth fighting for. I don’t have children of my own, but my friends have kids and I have nieces and nephews and they will have children and the thought of not fighting for their futures I just feel Ike I can’t live with anymore.
Yes but unfortunately most right-wing bigots and racists have no more than a 30 second attention span, and they don't have near the vocabulary or education to understand the conversation like this
One of the reasons that it's so hard to find out about our past history is because the families didn't want to talk about the emotional traumas our relatives of each generation suffered. Those statues were used to terrorize our people. Add Jim crow and separate but unequal,and jailing our people for "legal" slavery.
@@ROUGHANDREADYweTakeAMERICAback I don't know where you get your information, but not So Much Anymore. Most vets know and understand the threat of the orange Menace and party. We are ready to defend Democracy in America!
@@ROUGHANDREADYweTakeAMERICAback The military is a capitalist war machine in league with far right elitists, ergo republicans, and are subsequently brainwashed into republicanism. I mean, any non white supremacist voting republican is like a turkey voting for Christmas.
They absolutely need to be removed.They are representative of a dark time in our history which unfortunately remnants of that are still going on.There is nothing to celebrate.Take them down!!
I see a few comments asking about Trevor. His grandmother passed away. There is a dedication video to her on the RUclips channel. It's really sweet and I suggest you watch it.
I grew up in a town on the "underground railroad" and even in elementary school we were taught about the heroism of slaves and the emancipators who enabled them. Of course, that was more than 60 years ago and I have not been home for over 40 so I really do not know what theory prevails at present but, personally , right now I am appalled.
Most uneducated White Southerners never read their State's Declaration 📜 of Succession. It spells it out in black and white exactly why their State left the Union. The protection of the institution of slavery was the paramount reason why they left. The other reasons were about White Nationalism and White Supremacy. Each Confederate State stated the same thing: they left to protect slavery .
If you took the time to set aside your apparent affinity to the lost cause and read the actual Declarations of Secession that the Confederate States wrote when they left one would see that the MAIN reason was the preservation within their individual States and the expansion of slavery into the new territories. They put it all down in black and white as to exactly why they left and fought the war
@@elia.almodovar9558 : Yes I had a spelling error and yes I know exactly what it means. Most White Southerners want to believe that the socio-economic system of slavery had very little to do with it and cling to the concept of States Rights. The right to do what exactly? According to them it was about SLAVERY, WHITE NATIONALISM AND WHITE SUPREMACY but States Rights sounds better.
I don't usually comment or watch podcasts much but what a ride this one is. Now I'm an African boy (37) I live in cape town now but have lived in Much of 🇿🇦 . There's confederate (racist) statues of the colonialism all over our national Squares. Our capital Pretoria has racist Paul Kruger(statue) at the town square and the forces keeping him upright and towering at our national squares are super strong, those white supremacist forces you spoke of. You guys are fighting to remove those in America and are doing a great job at it, the struggle is real on the same front here in Mzansi and probably many other African nations as well. Let the woke movement awaken the African child to her rightful place on the tables of power. Niyimbokodvo bakitsi, bhidlitani.
I wasn’t sure as an old white lady in a red midwestern state if I had the right to comment on this topic - but after reading comments I realized how many of us have similar views. I watch discussions like this with horror. I can’t believe the quotes from some of these dedication speeches. It is hard to believe people would say or even think such horrible things. I am so sorry. Thank you for the education. I had no idea the horrible intentions and threats behind these statues. If asked I would have said I thought the statues were a way to make the south not feel so bad about losing and help them heal wounds. Instead, they were continuing threats and proof of the under current of hate and threat toward our black brothers and sisters. I am so sorry.
seriously, what's the difference between the confederates and benedict arnold? while people acknowledge his contributions, the best they could do to memorialize him is a boot while confederates get statues and military instillations named after them.
Benedict Arnold had an actual reason to become a traitor. He was bullied and did not get the support he needed. They rebelled against a ban of human trafficking that wasn’t even real. Oh, you meant why they’re better…
‘A monument is not a descriptive account of history, but instead a historical artifact that tells a story about power.’ Andrea Theison. former director of the Spandau Citadel, Spandau Germany.
Thank you for having these conversations! I’ve learned a lot about the civil war growing up but it was through the eyes of caucasians. I grew up over seas, and I’m realizing that these ideologies are very alive today. It worries me that people who share my reflection have very thwarted views of history that doesn’t encapsulate the whole story. Without podcasts like this, I honestly would be moving through life with a closed perspective of history. Like what???? I’m literally screaming at this lady’s testimony! I don’t even know how to help. 😢 without people speaking out… please speak out. We need to hear your stories
Those "comfort" laws are going to backfire on the people who passed them, because as soon as they say one thing that makes a black child or immigrant student uncomfortable, here comes the lawsuit
That would be the best thing. The GQP writes some ill-thought out laws... turn their own laws against them. We know they mean only if it makes white kids uncomfortable, but they were unable to codify that part into the law.
They make those laws with the assumption that they will be selectively enforced and tailored to shelter white people; just like stand your ground, etc.
Would teachers be allowed to say 'I may not tell about because it could make you feel uncomfortable, but you can find more info '? Knowing myself as a kid I would try to find out anything I was not allowed to know, with bonus points for implied discomfort.
Great job, as usual! These “extra deep dive” and Real segments/discussions are as important as they are needed. Im not about to get *political however, I will say: *If, our Governing Body/Government operated, functioned in a cohesive and *Just manner- *consistently using “Common Sense,” so many of these kind of issues wouldn’t require 200 years to figure out. This is something that makes no sense and it should have never even been a consideration, If it was never aloud to begin with. I have a comment that I have to share regarding how far this has been taken in the City I live in, to follow..
It's just crazy how people deny the impact that slavery plays on the socioeconomic hierarchy in Amerikkkan society today...these statues of racist generals who upheld white supremacy ideology is so normalized in society
This was right in time for the anniversary of the civil war’s conclusion. It’s crazy to think how that was within the last 200 years. Technology certainly moves faster than ideals.
I know my opinion might not be popular but just remove any vandalism laws and let the people dispose of them. They can have them in cemeteries, but anything else seems odd to me personally and on this matter clearly I'm not alone. Thank you to all the speakers and their unique view points this was indeed a runners high of a show.
WOW I am in awe of your FANTASTIC show! This... the gravity of fighting for what one DESERVES and then is threatened everyday for being human... This is so enlightening! THANK YOU!
Very enlightening conversation. Your guest contributors were absolutely brilliant and knowledgeable about the issue of symbolism of monuments and Statues. The justification for removal of the Confederate monuments are sound. Excellent Job Guys.
I have been running 5 miles a day since 17, just turned 60. I know that high. Great segment. From the North but lived in the South for a couple years. Was called a Yankee and was told the South was going to rise again.
Another great video. I wanted however to comment on you assaulted ex-wife analogy. While offering a vivid mental image to empathetic/sympathetic people, you were preaching to the choir. Since the bulk of the statue issue revolves around white men, I would suggest that the analogy should have been a sports or hunting theme. Maybe revolve around the local team winning the "Big Game" but then have local businesses display/identify with loosing team symbols, players, and coaches in their marketing and adverisements.
Let me first say: I'm German and everything I know about these topics is kind of "second hand knowledge" because I've never been to the US and look at your world through the filter of television and the internet. This is relevant because I don't know how well the example I'm about to give reflects the actual daily life in Alabama!? I'm a big fan of the TV series Top Gear and a few years back they did a challenge titled "Run Out of Alabama" in which James May, Richard Hammond and Jeremy Clarkson all had to decorate each others cars with pictures and slogans they thought would have the most enraging effect on the Alabamans. To cut a long story short: The BBC film crew was physically attacked and had to leave a local gas station in a hurry! I had to think of this segment because CJ Hunt said he felt protected by his camera!? The Top Gear segment was absolutely hilarious and deeply troubling at the same time... 🥺
The first Confederate monument in Texas is at the courthouse in Grayson Co, Texas. It was put up in 1896, 30 years after the civil war. It was REDEDICATED in 1996 and stabds there now. The neighboring county, Cooke, Co. Also has a confederate monument at the courthouse. Right now. Today
OWM (old white man) here. Wish I was able to match the $600, but I'm sending what I can. Wonderful podcast, my best wishes and love to you three and for what you do.
I was born in Louisiana, as all my family. I mean no offense, & please don't read if sensitive, about something I was told, that shocked me. This man is in severe depression. Not an excuse, I'm just trying to but "both sides" that was expressed to me. I m typing it, because we must have honest about experiences, to learn, & make a path forward, to a better world, hopefully. I was having a weird conversation with my uncle who still lives there. He started complaining about this & I got upset with him, accusing him of racism. He denied it, & I asked how it couldn't mean this. He said it was because it took away from covid awatness. I told him everybody was aware, & even the people under rocks, are aware. His wife had died a few weeks before. I said it a correlation, not causation. She had many health problems. He agreed, & said sorry, he hadn't been sleeping. I did, especially considering his son in law came to his defense the next day, & we're now talking mental health. This made me think of it.
As a 42 year old Black New Yorker, who, to be honest, should know waaayyy more about my cultural history and heritage, I just want to say, "THANK YOU!"
The statues mean nothing to me. I had no context for this when it began. When they started coming down, I was somewhere between indifferent 'go for it!' Even though I didn't have the words to express it at that time, I trusted that there was reasoning behind it. I knew I cared about real people more than statues. This has been so helpful, thank you to Roy Wood Jr, CJ Hunt, and Camille Bennett.
just spitballing here, but how about adding the racist excerts of those speeches to the statues for education. Would it be possible to craft a legal process that requires a vote on either adding commented racism for true education (or something that effectively prevents glorification) or removing / replacing the statues? Something that can be adapted easily across the country?
This should be the absolute minimum. It’s strange that in 2022, America hasn’t done so. I would prefer moving them to cementaries though, contextualizing them *and* statues symbolizing the pain of slavery next to them. And make them hurt when looking at them.
We want to eliminate the negativity those statues represent… so we certainly don’t want to read their negative rhetoric. The only people who ever need to be memorialize are the victims, which includes the devastation to Earth as well.
the notion that one of these (2021) capitol rioters would end up in government or posing for a statue IS insane...but I'm afraid it's not as unlikely as one would hope...
The problem with the battle over monuments is how the positions are stated. Its about negotiations. First you state something way beyond what you want then you negotiate down to what you actually wanted. We don't talk about how we want a Malcolm X statue in the center of every white neighborhood. Or a George Sherman statue erected every 3 miles of his march to the sea to remind white Southerners what happens to them when they get uppity. If we started there we could negotiate down to just removing the statues of KKK members.
Amazing! Don't stop educating all on this topic. I'm flabbergasted how little I knew of this. Thank You Roy, Camille, and CJ. And thank you Treavor Noah, your show and opinions are always on point!
Monument Storage Idea: Drop them along the SE Atlantic coast, submerged, to help renew American reefs! Did Robert E Lee like fish? Did he like *to* fish? What about the others? I don't suppose we have a lot of climate activists among those boys in gray, but it's a nice, climate friendly solution. Do it near the Potomac & put a couple of live feeds into a Smithsonian exhibit. Congress can clean out its statuary halls & save a bunch on transportation. Or, find a nice open space (still underwater, still SE Atlantic) & set them around each other artistically to create an *UNDERWATER* Confederate Park! Open a nice fancy Education Center for kids. Maybe add a live camera feed, with internet access, showing the ocean reclaiming the monuments. Have lots of little placards in the Center & signs underwater teaching about each Monument: who he was, where he fought, who funded the Monument & how he ended up as a new age fish house. Also put in signs about how slavery contributed to the building of America, & how it's finally come full circle: using the old historical resources to re-furbish the _American SE Atlantic_ coastal reefs. Have scuba tours & all that. Privately subsidize blacks to open scuba shops, so people can pay them to see all of it. Bridge too far? Okay, maybe. Okay, probably. But you see how it could work, right?
This might be my favorite episode yet. I really appreciate the education and the insanely intense work y'all are doing! I need to cover some of this for my followers on TikTok!
I love this segment of the daily show more than I like my older half brother who watches tucker Carlson and laughs the same way as tucker. I have no regrets Roy you are worth loving.
Tucker Carlson the man who is just asking questions? He's supposed to be a "reporter". He sure does not act like any reporter though since he has only more questions.
I grew up in California and went to public school and I was always very confused by why the confederacy and everything that it stood for was still around? They didn’t even teach us a more in-depth look at that until college. It scares me that kids today may not even get taught what happened. I remember asking my mom in approximately 1977, “why are there Confederate statues? Why aren’t confederates’ war criminals? And most of all why, if segregation happened why is everything still segregated?
I didn't write the above. I grew up in Sacramento but left for college in '67 and never really returned.
Anyhow, a suggestion for a piece on Epigenetics and the African American experience would be really fascinating and enlightening.
Big thanks to Roy for having these incredible educational and enlightening conversations every week on comedy Central. I'm a 65 year old white guy living in a red state in the Midwest and I really appreciate this kind of perspective on the state of our country
Yay! 64 year old white woman from Lou-a-vul here! Glad I ran across this show! I protest a lot and do anti-racism work, show up at school board meetings to fight with racists, protest all the cop killings. 😖😤. But with these statues, they are literally dismantling white supremacy and they can see the results. Makes you feel hopeful. 🥰
White old lady in Ohio. This is very informative and it fires me up. I wish I could get the people I disagree with to listen to this. I hate being surrounded by people who are so set in their ways that they won't listen to reason.
I have an idea had a sculpterra or welder expert remold it and shaped into a a double loveseat bench and name it the the seat of peace in its place!
PS read my former comment on this page and recycling repurposing using the same material remelted and sculptured to look like double seat bench and have the caption wording dot-dot-dot the seat of peace! Bears repeating
White old lady in Michigan. We have a democrat as Governor but that’s it, for now. Our state is almost always totally red and I live in the Grand Rapids area which is very, very red. So yeah, love Roy!
If I can realize and dislike the General Lee, My childhood favorite car due to the flag painted on the roof then people can get over this.
We don't all see the racist side of the statues but I'm not going to argue the facts that are unknown to me.
Take them down.
American citizens don't need to be lied to to love our country.
Love your statement: we don’t need to be lied to to love our country.” Right on…
That is a beautiful sentiment. If we can define ourselves by our growth instead of trying to rewrite our mistakes we would be better for it.
Right, AMERICAN citizens love America inspite of ITSELF.
Absolutely, YES!
I feel like I'm going to use that line in the future. Hope that's okay.
@@gfride1 absolutely! We can share an opinion. 😉🤙
This was flat out amazing. Camille and CJ are amazing people. Thank you to Roy for putting this information out.
@Miss Felony Strutter Why do you think that response was from a bot. I feel exactly the same way, and I'm all too real.
What a great interview. I have always loved Roy Wood's real low key humor but its great to see his more serious side.
The removed statues should be put in a building called the hall of shame.
Exactly what I was thinking
They lost on paper, but still have control of your History books???👽
History is written by the winners…
Truth
Roy - France DOES commemorate German war-time incursions... but in the form of memorials dedicated to atrocities and victims. The notion of celebrating traitors who took up arms against the USA is preposterous 🙄🙄🙄
Yes I think we are the only country to honor losers and traitors, it is a shame and I certainly do not want these statues to remain. Maybe I feel this way bc I am born and raised in the north so perhaps I was taught a different version of history compared to southerners.
"bUt It'S oUr HiStOry" 🙄
Shoulda never emancipated!
There is also at least one cemetery near Normandy that holds the the German soldiers killed during the action on, and after, the D-Day landing.
It is respectful, but does not glorify the part of those defending invaders.
So proud of the work these sister, and brother are undertaking to make America a much better place for all. Congratulations 👏
Another fantastic conversation! Thank you for featuring these inspiring people and giving them a chance to share their perspectives with us. 💖
That seems like monuments to treason to me.
And how!
YEP!!! ALL DAY!!
They always were, 100%
The confederacy was short lived. A few years. Yeh, So it was only building up to now.
I'm a 60 year old white woman. I was never taught this stuff and I definitely need to know. Thanks for educating me. I grew up in Pennsylvania but when I moved to North Carolina, my husband and I were frankly shocked to see a statue "Dedicated to Our Confederate Soldiers" right in front of our town's City Courthouse! We were aghast. Thankfully it has recently been removed. They should all be destroyed.
I agree with CJ. It's important to pay attention to the success stories in order to reference effective strategies that could be implemented in other municipalities. We always hear the doomsday stories but we need increased coverage of the victorious stories. I was completely unaware of Alabama’s success in striking down Anti-CRT legislation.
Thank you all for the discussion.
Weaponized hopelessness is a potent tactic. I'm sure it's strategic. It frustrates me that we don't often hear about the successes, because it makes people give up and fight less for a better future :(
Best Talking on the net 😉
@@aazhie "weaponized hopelessness" -- that's great; I never thought of it that way. This podcast is like strapping two 6-guns full of hope!!
And it’s not just about statues down South. In Detroit MI there is still a major street named Cass Ave, that “honors” Lewis Cass, a former US senator who wasn’t just a slaveholder in the “forever-free” Northwest Territory, but also the cheerleader for deporting the Cherokees beyond the Mississippi. That is the same Lewis Cass, BTW, whose statue represents my state in the Capitol’s Statuary Hall.
Did not know about that, thanks for sharing!
Maybe you can rename it after Cass Elliot.
It’s not just in the south but it is much more prevalent and socially ignored.
@@jennyballentine158 it's sad that most Americans are unaware or just don't care 😢
And Cass Tech High ( Cass Technical High School) ,a few yards from Cass Avenue right in Downtown Detroit .
As a trans person, I truly appreciate the mention that these same groups are coming for LGBT people and women as well. Intersectionality is important; we have to stand together!
Kind of. But these movements don't always do a GREAT job of including black people. 😒 so I thing the black movement is inclusive for everyone in that they are saying raise the bar to improve things for everyone, a d their movements always have. The other movements can take a back burner until they work better on speaking for raising the bar for all marginalized groups, not just the ones with the loudest voices who don't represent all women and all sexualities outside what concerns themselves. That's been a problem for a long time. If it weren't for the black movement, civil rights as we know it wouldn't have gotten started and made the progress it has made. Speak to the benefit of all and then we can talk intersectionality being a concern, right now civil rights for all hinge on the human rights taken in racism where the bar is the lowest for everyone.
✊ the only way to have the strength and numbers to win these fights is with intersectional coalition!! We stand together or or we hang out oppressed apart. There is no equality until we all stand for each other
We all need to make sure that the lead of these movements are not the worse faction of each group (like what happened with white feminism) we got to do it better this time
I am so Glad you all have been doing everything within your Power to display the truth behind those Statues. As a Brazilian Born U.S. Citizen; I had an opportunity to Walk the Legacy Museum in Montgomery, AL; And I cried with pain & Felt so ashamed of how could People have been treated so hurtful just for their skin color.
I experienced it all as a white man a life changing experience for sure.
You are a white presenting BRAZILIAN and you experienced that trauma in Montgomery AL? Did you come to the US as an infant?
@@sandibuckland9193 why are your feelings hurt, because someone identified with the suffering inflicted on slaves? You think your life has been harder sweetie?
They only want them in site for intimidation. Get rid of them all!!!
They should read the dedication speeches and then show the statue.. That would be a powerful segment.
Agreed! Why can't we find anyone out there willing to read them out loud?
Great idea. I'd further add: include reading the declaration causes of seceding states. Read out loud that the states themselves wrote unequivocally and for posterity that they were seceding in order to preserve slavery. If these states want to preserve history, let them read that piece of documented history.
@@ajs11201 : That would end all controversies huh? I can't be the only one to have thought up the idea. I just wonder why no one of prominence did
@@KENICUSONE I don't recall saying it would end all controversies. I was merely adding a point to the discussion. Sorry to have troubled you.
I appreciate these extended podcasts indepth look at the stories from the show.
Thank you.
Ughhhhhh and as a teacher the attack on education is also super terrifying. The question on my mind has been- why? My ONLY comfort is that the people behind this know everyone and everything is changing in this country and this is them in their ideological death throes.
Do u oppose CRT being taught in grade school?
@@jasonharris8099 CRT is taught in law school, not grade school.
@@ladynekochan I know that...my point is it should be taught in grade school
@@Mia_M that's interesting, because little black children don't have that luxury of not dealing with systematic racism and racial profiling...little black kids are being " adulted" by society to where 6yr old little girls are being hand cuffed by police officers...little black children have to deal with the reality of the school to prison pipeline that will most likely give them a criminal record before they reach 18...so maybe u need to rethink it & see it from a black person perspective...if u actually care...this country love to dumb down society so history can repeat itself so the cycle of oppression can continue
CRT is way above grade school kids' heads
The confederate statues must come down- communities can develop healing rituals to celebrate annually overcoming the pain and suffering racism causes racism - turn the sculpture sites as places for people of different beliefs to come sit and talk to each other- each community that has such a space is more likely to heal and many fears of the other get dispelled with direct conversations.
I agree pretending that things are all right will never bring healing. There has to be reconciliation the white have to agree that they did wrong to the blacks .
It is so hard and so scary to work for change in this country. She is so incredibly brave. Why are people so dumb and so mean?
I think the hard thing that no one wants to admit is that the ones in charge don't behave this way because they are dumb or are just resisting change, it's because they are evil.
@@Dfree2502 The Republican billionaires at the top need to rally the "lowest common denominators" behind some sort of belief -- so they can convince these people to vote against their own interest. Because no one would vote for billionaire tax cuts, corporate personhoods, etc, otherwise. So they create divisive, otherwise unrelated issues -- like guns, religion, anti-environmentalism, and prejudices -- and unify people behind it through brainwashing and propaganda. And it turns into this "go team" group-think, where you cheer for "your" team and loathe the rival. Brilliant and evil. ...I'm often surprised how many people don't notice this.
Ignorance and meanness is easy.
@@Dfree2502 agreed. And I just keep coming back to it as a teacher that this whole push about “crt” which NONE of the teachers in my building had even heard of before their propaganda machine churned it out all day every day, it’s all to squash dissent. To prevent people from questioning Everything. I work in CT and it’s super liberal as states go I suppose but we were not allowed to teach 5 Days by Wes Moore last year due to a parent complaining before my friend even started the book. I used to teach lessons on police brutality all the time - it wasn’t until after George Floyd was viciously murdered at the hands of the state that people decided that telling the truth was indoctrination. I’m just so sick of it. I have been thinking lately like what can we do and I have been wondering about a petition, contacting our state legislators, both ? Marches? We need a truth and reconciliation commmision. White supremacist terrorism is the most frightening thing I have ever seen. It feels exhausting to look at the news but after thinking a million times how much I miss my heroes like Elie Wiesel’s and John Lewis’ voices being here to lead us and fight for us, it’s time for us to fight back. It’s going to be a long and healed fight but there is nothing more worth fighting for. I don’t have children of my own, but my friends have kids and I have nieces and nephews and they will have children and the thought of not fighting for their futures I just feel Ike I can’t live with anymore.
We all need to get involved. Cuz this group is a minority in the country . Whe we all stand up they can't do anything
I really appreciate these deep dives into these issues. Knowledge helps fight inequality.
Yes but unfortunately most right-wing bigots and racists have no more than a 30 second attention span, and they don't have near the vocabulary or education to understand the conversation like this
And hopefully leads to action, including most importantly (but not limited to) voting. #VoteBlueIn2022
"get it out of my black face." I'm dying. Tell it like it is, sister.
One of the reasons that it's so hard to find out about our past history is because the families didn't want to talk about the emotional traumas our relatives of each generation suffered. Those statues were used to terrorize our people. Add Jim crow and separate but unequal,and jailing our people for "legal" slavery.
What's the difference between a Ukrainian and a Republican? A Ukrainian will defend their country and capital!
Nah, ukrainians are vastly different.
that is interesting, most if not all veterans of the u.s. military vote republican.
@@ROUGHANDREADYweTakeAMERICAback I don't know where you get your information, but not So Much Anymore. Most vets know and understand the threat of the orange Menace and party. We are ready to defend Democracy in America!
They're both white nationalist states?
Oh wait
@@ROUGHANDREADYweTakeAMERICAback
The military is a capitalist war machine in league with far right elitists, ergo republicans, and are subsequently brainwashed into republicanism.
I mean, any non white supremacist voting republican is like a turkey voting for Christmas.
They absolutely need to be removed.They are representative of a dark time in our history which unfortunately remnants of that are still going on.There is nothing to celebrate.Take them down!!
Relocate them to Confederate Graveyards...to die.
Classic.
I see a few comments asking about Trevor. His grandmother passed away. There is a dedication video to her on the RUclips channel. It's really sweet and I suggest you watch it.
Beyond the Scenes is Roy's SHOW! Very enjoyable.
I grew up in a town on the "underground railroad" and even in elementary school we were taught about the heroism of slaves and the emancipators who enabled them. Of course, that was more than 60 years ago and I have not been home for over 40 so I really do not know what theory prevails at present but, personally , right now I am appalled.
These segments are so educational!
Can we get more info about the documentary mentioned? I would love to watch it and share with my family and friends.
Ditto!!
C J Hunt's documentary mentioned is called The Neutral Ground and came out in 2021. RUclips has it for $3.99, but it may be free elsewhere too.
@@eriblack08 it's worth paying CJ the $4 for his work!
Put a bigger statue of the general that beat the confederate statue next to it.
18:33 "The war between the States was about succession, not about slavery."
The succession was over slavery. I know she knows this.
Most uneducated White Southerners never read their State's Declaration 📜 of Succession. It spells it out in black and white exactly why their State left the Union. The protection of the institution of slavery was the paramount reason why they left. The other reasons were about White Nationalism and White Supremacy. Each Confederate State stated the same thing: they left to protect slavery .
And I hope you know what "SECESSION" means.
If you took the time to set aside your apparent affinity to the lost cause and read the actual Declarations of Secession that the Confederate States wrote when they left one would see that the MAIN reason was the preservation within their individual States and the expansion of slavery into the new territories. They put it all down in black and white as to exactly why they left and fought the war
@@elia.almodovar9558 : Yes I had a spelling error and yes I know exactly what it means. Most White Southerners want to believe that the socio-economic system of slavery had very little to do with it and cling to the concept of States Rights. The right to do what exactly? According to them it was about SLAVERY, WHITE NATIONALISM AND WHITE SUPREMACY but States Rights sounds better.
@@KENICUSONE Are you a bot or something? I literally said, "The succession was over slavery. I know she knows this.".
I don't usually comment or watch podcasts much but what a ride this one is. Now I'm an African boy (37) I live in cape town now but have lived in Much of 🇿🇦 . There's confederate (racist) statues of the colonialism all over our national Squares. Our capital Pretoria has racist Paul Kruger(statue) at the town square and the forces keeping him upright and towering at our national squares are super strong, those white supremacist forces you spoke of. You guys are fighting to remove those in America and are doing a great job at it, the struggle is real on the same front here in Mzansi and probably many other African nations as well. Let the woke movement awaken the African child to her rightful place on the tables of power. Niyimbokodvo bakitsi, bhidlitani.
I wasn’t sure as an old white lady in a red midwestern state if I had the right to comment on this topic - but after reading comments I realized how many of us have similar views. I watch discussions like this with horror. I can’t believe the quotes from some of these dedication speeches. It is hard to believe people would say or even think such horrible things. I am so sorry. Thank you for the education. I had no idea the horrible intentions and threats behind these statues. If asked I would have said I thought the statues were a way to make the south not feel so bad about losing and help them heal wounds. Instead, they were continuing threats and proof of the under current of hate and threat toward our black brothers and sisters. I am so sorry.
Extremely informative comments by these 3 highly intelligent, engaging(and funny) leaders.
So informative. Much appreciated.
It must be like filtering the poison out of the barrels of Kool-Aid. Love this conversation and these guests.
Sister Camille Bennett is "Foineeee!!!" Very smart too! 👌🏾
Brother CJ is spot on too!
Here’s a thought-melt down the statues and re-use the metal to create new works of art inspiring all of us to work together as one human family.
seriously, what's the difference between the confederates and benedict arnold? while people acknowledge his contributions, the best they could do to memorialize him is a boot while confederates get statues and military instillations named after them.
Benedict Arnold had an actual reason to become a traitor. He was bullied and did not get the support he needed. They rebelled against a ban of human trafficking that wasn’t even real.
Oh, you meant why they’re better…
So powerful. You educated me and the information will help me to fight for my children to get a real education in FLORIDA.
‘A monument is not a descriptive account of history, but instead a historical artifact that tells a story about power.’
Andrea Theison. former director of the Spandau Citadel, Spandau Germany.
Thank you for having these conversations! I’ve learned a lot about the civil war growing up but it was through the eyes of caucasians. I grew up over seas, and I’m realizing that these ideologies are very alive today. It worries me that people who share my reflection have very thwarted views of history that doesn’t encapsulate the whole story. Without podcasts like this, I honestly would be moving through life with a closed perspective of history.
Like what???? I’m literally screaming at this lady’s testimony! I don’t even know how to help. 😢 without people speaking out… please speak out. We need to hear your stories
The statues need to be in a museum. The museum named "cancel Cult, the final resting"!
Making this about "cancel culture" is a cheap shot.
Those "comfort" laws are going to backfire on the people who passed them, because as soon as they say one thing that makes a black child or immigrant student uncomfortable, here comes the lawsuit
First thing I thought. Then fire all the teachers of the past that made us feel uncomfortable.
That would be the best thing. The GQP writes some ill-thought out laws... turn their own laws against them. We know they mean only if it makes white kids uncomfortable, but they were unable to codify that part into the law.
They make those laws with the assumption that they will be selectively enforced and tailored to shelter white people; just like stand your ground, etc.
I love this! She said, " Get it out of my face, get it out of my black face!"
Thank you Roy and company. This was so informative! Love your work. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Would teachers be allowed to say 'I may not tell about because it could make you feel uncomfortable, but you can find more info '? Knowing myself as a kid I would try to find out anything I was not allowed to know, with bonus points for implied discomfort.
Points!
Someone needs to write The Ballad of Devon Henry
Yes
Take them ALL DOWN!!
Awesome piece. I really enjoyed this podcast. I am not American born but it was truly educational and real. Appreciate these topics being addressed.
Wow! Ya'll! Thank you so much for bringing this segment to all people. Share worthy!
Great job, as usual! These “extra deep dive” and Real segments/discussions are as important as they are needed. Im not about to get *political however, I will say: *If, our Governing Body/Government operated, functioned in a cohesive and *Just manner- *consistently using “Common Sense,” so many of these kind of issues wouldn’t require 200 years to figure out. This is something that makes no sense and it should have never even been a consideration, If it was never aloud to begin with.
I have a comment that I have to share regarding how far this has been taken in the City I live in, to follow..
It's just crazy how people deny the impact that slavery plays on the socioeconomic hierarchy in Amerikkkan society today...these statues of racist generals who upheld white supremacy ideology is so normalized in society
This is so fantastic. I love getting a deeper look at all the issues we face. So well done! 💜💜💜
Civil War Museum, but I like the idea of melting them into new art more!
This was right in time for the anniversary of the civil war’s conclusion. It’s crazy to think how that was within the last 200 years. Technology certainly moves faster than ideals.
I know my opinion might not be popular but just remove any vandalism laws and let the people dispose of them. They can have them in cemeteries, but anything else seems odd to me personally and on this matter clearly I'm not alone. Thank you to all the speakers and their unique view points this was indeed a runners high of a show.
WOW I am in awe of your FANTASTIC show! This... the gravity of fighting for what one DESERVES and then is threatened everyday for being human... This is so enlightening! THANK YOU!
Very enlightening conversation. Your guest contributors were absolutely brilliant and knowledgeable about the issue of symbolism of monuments and Statues. The justification for removal of the Confederate monuments are sound. Excellent Job Guys.
I have been running 5 miles a day since 17, just turned 60. I know that high. Great segment. From the North but lived in the South for a couple years. Was called a Yankee and was told the South was going to rise again.
Another great video. I wanted however to comment on you assaulted ex-wife analogy. While offering a vivid mental image to empathetic/sympathetic people, you were preaching to the choir. Since the bulk of the statue issue revolves around white men, I would suggest that the analogy should have been a sports or hunting theme. Maybe revolve around the local team winning the "Big Game" but then have local businesses display/identify with loosing team symbols, players, and coaches in their marketing and adverisements.
Impoverished and disadvantaged people have to work harder for basic respect. Fear turns to Anger
Let me first say: I'm German and everything I know about these topics is kind of "second hand knowledge" because I've never been to the US and look at your world through the filter of television and the internet. This is relevant because I don't know how well the example I'm about to give reflects the actual daily life in Alabama!?
I'm a big fan of the TV series Top Gear and a few years back they did a challenge titled "Run Out of Alabama" in which James May, Richard Hammond and Jeremy Clarkson all had to decorate each others cars with pictures and slogans they thought would have the most enraging effect on the Alabamans. To cut a long story short: The BBC film crew was physically attacked and had to leave a local gas station in a hurry!
I had to think of this segment because CJ Hunt said he felt protected by his camera!?
The Top Gear segment was absolutely hilarious and deeply troubling at the same time... 🥺
Can you put up monuments for those who fought against white supremacy? Freedom riders? Equity and collaboration innovators?
YEAH!!!!
The first Confederate monument in Texas is at the courthouse in Grayson Co, Texas. It was put up in 1896, 30 years after the civil war. It was REDEDICATED in 1996 and stabds there now. The neighboring county, Cooke, Co. Also has a confederate monument at the courthouse. Right now. Today
I really do enjoy these podcasts!!!
So informative!
That lady is wearing a wig ? Is she the clown ? Lol
Fighting over statues 🙄🤦♀️ when we need to be dealing with district lines… smh
Indeed
Both and not either or...
OWM (old white man) here. Wish I was able to match the $600, but I'm sending what I can. Wonderful podcast, my best wishes and love to you three and for what you do.
Remember the laws not long after the Civil War favored the South
I was born in Louisiana, as all my family. I mean no offense, & please don't read if sensitive, about something I was told, that shocked me. This man is in severe depression. Not an excuse, I'm just trying to but "both sides" that was expressed to me. I m typing it, because we must have honest about experiences, to learn, & make a path forward, to a better world, hopefully. I was having a weird conversation with my uncle who still lives there. He started complaining about this & I got upset with him, accusing him of racism. He denied it, & I asked how it couldn't mean this. He said it was because it took away from covid awatness. I told him everybody was aware, & even the people under rocks, are aware. His wife had died a few weeks before. I said it a correlation, not causation. She had many health problems. He agreed, & said sorry, he hadn't been sleeping. I did, especially considering his son in law came to his defense the next day, & we're now talking mental health. This made me think of it.
Stone Mountain used to be a predominant white area but around 1990, the great white flight occurred and now it is a predominant Black area.
As a 42 year old Black New Yorker, who, to be honest, should know waaayyy more about my cultural history and heritage, I just want to say, "THANK YOU!"
"Use these laws against them...we can flip it" - Camille Goldston Bennett. YES!!!!!
The statues mean nothing to me. I had no context for this when it began. When they started coming down, I was somewhere between indifferent 'go for it!' Even though I didn't have the words to express it at that time, I trusted that there was reasoning behind it. I knew I cared about real people more than statues.
This has been so helpful, thank you to Roy Wood Jr, CJ Hunt, and Camille Bennett.
just spitballing here, but how about adding the racist excerts of those speeches to the statues for education. Would it be possible to craft a legal process that requires a vote on either adding commented racism for true education (or something that effectively prevents glorification) or removing / replacing the statues? Something that can be adapted easily across the country?
This should be the absolute minimum. It’s strange that in 2022, America hasn’t done so.
I would prefer moving them to cementaries though, contextualizing them *and* statues symbolizing the pain of slavery next to them. And make them hurt when looking at them.
We want to eliminate the negativity those statues represent… so we certainly don’t want to read their negative rhetoric.
The only people who ever need to be memorialize are the victims, which includes the devastation to Earth as well.
the notion that one of these (2021) capitol rioters would end up in government or posing for a statue IS insane...but I'm afraid it's not as unlikely as one would hope...
The problem with the battle over monuments is how the positions are stated. Its about negotiations. First you state something way beyond what you want then you negotiate down to what you actually wanted. We don't talk about how we want a Malcolm X statue in the center of every white neighborhood. Or a George Sherman statue erected every 3 miles of his march to the sea to remind white Southerners what happens to them when they get uppity. If we started there we could negotiate down to just removing the statues of KKK members.
Ya'll talk in sync makes it smooth to listen to. Great conversation delivered well
Love these beyond the scenes!!
Thank you for this conversation!👍
As a black person what about my children discomfort when they have to look at these statues…
Awesome discussion. TRUTH B TOL.
Amazing! Don't stop educating all on this topic. I'm flabbergasted how little I knew of this. Thank You Roy, Camille, and CJ. And thank you Treavor Noah, your show and opinions are always on point!
Now, Roy, don't be forgetting to donate to Project Say Something!
They can’t move stone mtn. But we’re talking about sandblasting it. Put monuments into museums and cemetaries
Monument Storage Idea:
Drop them along the SE Atlantic coast, submerged, to help renew American reefs! Did Robert E Lee like fish? Did he like *to* fish? What about the others? I don't suppose we have a lot of climate activists among those boys in gray, but it's a nice, climate friendly solution.
Do it near the Potomac & put a couple of live feeds into a Smithsonian exhibit. Congress can clean out its statuary halls & save a bunch on transportation.
Or, find a nice open space (still underwater, still SE Atlantic) & set them around each other artistically to create an *UNDERWATER* Confederate Park! Open a nice fancy Education Center for kids. Maybe add a live camera feed, with internet access, showing the ocean reclaiming the monuments.
Have lots of little placards in the Center & signs underwater teaching about each Monument: who he was, where he fought, who funded the Monument & how he ended up as a new age fish house. Also put in signs about how slavery contributed to the building of America, & how it's finally come full circle: using the old historical resources to re-furbish the _American SE Atlantic_ coastal reefs.
Have scuba tours & all that. Privately subsidize blacks to open scuba shops, so people can pay them to see all of it. Bridge too far? Okay, maybe. Okay, probably. But you see how it could work, right?
Brilliant~! Well done guys!
This might be my favorite episode yet. I really appreciate the education and the insanely intense work y'all are doing! I need to cover some of this for my followers on TikTok!
I love this segment of the daily show more than I like my older half brother who watches tucker Carlson and laughs the same way as tucker. I have no regrets Roy you are worth loving.
Tucker Carlson the man who is just asking questions? He's supposed to be a "reporter". He sure does not act like any reporter though since he has only more questions.
@@minimonkeyplay you are right.
Care to you
from my research Randall Woodfin did not pay the $25k, he won a court appeal that found the fine to be unconstitutional and so was overturned.
Loved this..more please!!!!
My point was that the systemic oppression of anyone is beyond vile. I know that slavery and the Holocaust are not the same things.
They need to publish the speeches when those statues were dedicated. That would put an end to the heritage and pride BS.
Thank you all so much
Never forget racism has always been welcome in America, reason why it’s still alive🧐
Amazing work! Fascinating and encouraging how they are very literally dismantling white supremacy. They can clearly see results. Gives me hope.
Thank you all for your work.