Leftist Wendigoon Drama Is TOXIC (But He seems Nice)
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This is why I dont envy streaming or being terminally online in any capacity - I would hate to have my every opinion, belief, and association microanalyzed by people. It's insanely not normal to share so much about yourself with so many strangers and then receive feedback on it like you're on display in a museum
Yea I think that’s what makes this so complicated because when you start criticizing the “normal guy” for just have friends that believe different things it comes off weird cringe and deranged which I honestly understand and kind of agree with. But I also understand how harmful things like misogyny / racism etc can be perpetuated by people who are just kind of trying to keep things status quo or just trying to lives there lives uninvolved in politics which makes you seem and (you kind of are) the agitator when you point that things need to change
@@rickyrivera3623 he was the agitator
I think he's actually the best type of Christian. Somebody who follows Jesus's teachings pretty much 100% tends to be a great person.
I dont know if Xan knows this but Keffals got banned from Vaushcord for harresment. She litterally bullied someone in chat and then told other people to bully them in exchange for full access to her discord. I think it happened around the same time as when the bridge between Xan and Keffals burned.
I was so wrong about Keffals. She really is just a bad person.
I'm a transfem and I'm still a fan of Wendigoon content. While I don't agree with some of his views it doesn't take away the enjoyment i get from his content.
How bad would someone's views have to be before it starts to affect your enjoyment?
@@anthonycaccia2671 pretty bad like probably like kayne going full nazi or idk diddy caught beating someone up in 4k. If it’s not that bad I prefer to actually try to enjoy life then try to purity test so hard that I can’t enjoy stuff anymore. A lot of companies I probably get food from are probably super immoral and do slave labor and stuff but if I thought about all of that seriously could I even live with myself?
@@anthonycaccia2671not everyone is going to agree with you on everything. As long as none of it seeps into his content I don’t care and neither should any non brain dead person.
I dont think wendigoon is transphobic either. He has been freindly and supportive to trans content creators
@LoathsomeLucifer
And what are those disagreements? Care to enlighten us? We're not talking about "I unsuited because they don't like Kingdom Hearts II FM".
Personally, I wouldn't call Wendigoon a fundamentalist or Puritan, because from what I've seen, his religious beliefs are far more Nuanced and well read then the average ilk of the groups. As a matter of fact him and his friend Aidan think Fundies are a huge problem plaguing the Christian community. Complex guy to say the least.
"him and his friend Aidan think Fundies are a huge problem plaguing the Christian community"
they so fuckin real for that
Sorry for my ignorance - I'm neither American nor Christian - but wtf are 'fundies'? I'm not familiar with this.
@@Jojo.R.Chipelago Fundamentalists
@@Jojo.R.Chipelago fundies stands for fundamentalist (like religious fundamentalism) and is basically used to describe to Christian’s that take it way to far like 12 kids really weird rules homeschooling and cult like following and cult like interpretations and use of bible and its messages. Usually at least internet there also advocating other people do the same practices and it very right leaning typically
And Aidan is also christian, and very religious. And he's not transphobic or homophobic, just a normal guy.
Honestly - you can believe in anything, just don't be arsehole.
Wendispoon is oddly comfy despite his dark topics
I love him and his spoon reviews
Tbh Xan the video he made was like DJ Mule levels of bad. Probably even worse. IPOS said some super cursed stuff in the video - like if a celebrity said the same thing he said they would get labeled as bigoted.
Why do they all look like Noah Sampson clones? I legit cannot tell them apart because everyone copies each other’s styles lol
Exactly like Xan said the left doesn’t know how to choose their battles right now
I wouldn't say that at all, there was some stuff he said that was off base like with mutahar being a transphobe but IPOS was as indepth as he usually.
@@grutsthefoodman3645he said everyone in appalachia is probably racist... the whole video was virtue signalling, disjointed nonsense
@@grutsthefoodman3645not even fucking close. He made absolutely baseless claims and backed up none of it. He called one dude an SAer and said the proof was “the culture said so”.
Wendigoon is generally pretty cool, definitely the "Love thy neighbor" type of Christian. While it is kinda sad when he says something cringe, I think it would be a blessing if more people were like him.
I agree
I've watched quite a lot of Wendigoon's videos because he's a very good storyteller and something that always comes through is how compassionate he is, and it's given me the vibes of someone who would likely have more left-leaning politics if a discussion with him on it was approached at a more human level.
His video on the Yuba County Five really solidified that thought for me, because his video was the first of its kind I'd seen that didn't treat the five men as if they were helpless children with no minds of their own. He acknowledged that yes, they had intellectual disabilities or were schizophrenic, but he just talked about them as if they were just any other people which they were. He was especially compassionate toward Gary Mathias, _moreso than most leftists_ I've talked to about more stigmatised mental illnesses whose mental health advocacy disappears when it comes to anything but anxiety disorders or depression.
And that has stuck with me since I watched the video and as a disabled person with mental health issues, I know that I'd feel more comfortable in a room with Wendigoon than I would a random leftist. Sure a random leftist can probably say the right things and use the right words, but I don't trust them to follow through with that as soon as it's inconvenient to do so. However, if Wendigoon is just the guy he presents as in his videos, I know he'd at least treat me as a human being and not a token.
I do think that with Wendigoon, it is just where he grew up and where he lives now. I think if leftist creators were more willing to try and befriend him and just talk to him the way you do with "normies" instead of people plugged into the online left, he'd likely be willing to hear you out. I think a lot of us who are more plugged into politics forget that most people don't have a set of guiding principles to follow when it comes to politics and react on an emotional basis.
So basically having “correct” politics doesn’t necessarily mean you’re a good moral person . I also think that if you live in certain areas idk you have friends that believe in certain things I think it’s silly to be like I won’t have any friends that believe different stuff. I do think there is a line that you have to draw depending on what that belief is but at same time a lot of people can’t or at lest it doesn’t make sense to cut people off so quickly just because they have some bad politics. I think that’s part of reason people don’t have friends and why like I don’t have that many friends because I am not always willing to just talk and engage with people who are very different then me. I think that we should be encouraging people to be friends we each other and be good nice kind people and loving each other not like tearing people down. There has to be a better way to advocate for left leaning policies than to be super critical of normies just trying to live their lives. But I also understand apolitical people do have a impact even if they’re trying not do anything to change things
@@rickyrivera3623 yeah exactly. A lot of the online left has become a very toxic space where you must hold the exact right beliefs and say the exact right things or you'll be exiled, and that does not make leftist politics look appealing to most normies. Plus a lot of leftists are not welcoming to people who have changed their politics and now lean left, which doesn't help.
I might not like the apolitical approach, but it's how a lot of people see the world, so either we meet them where they are or we waste time. We can't go in using a bunch of complex terminology and scary sounding ideas; we have to just actually talk to people the way that most people talk. You have to connect with them and from there, you can have actual discussions about politics without it seeming preachy or performative.
A lot of people on the left don't seem to get that and it's very frustrating.
IPoS' video is the embodiment of "If all you have is a hammer, everything is a nail" which goes to show that if you're going to hate on someone, at least be honest about it. He would've fared better if he made should video saying he didn't like Wendigoon and not elaborating.
Dude, I still remember when goon meant helper of a mob boss or some shit, I do not know how it became associated with porn addiction.
Nah I feel like Wendigoon is too genuine to really be a hateful person. Like he uses his religion to say “omg angels exist” and not “gay people are sinners who will burn in hell.” Maybe I’m wrong because you never truly know a person online but idk, he doesn’t seem hateful and I still like him
His name is "ISAIAH"? OK, i won't make fun of his religion. That's a heavy cross to bear.
isaiah is one of the most christian names, like Matthew or isaac
@@quentinstayskull2464not going to lie even though Matthew and Isaac have more religious bases, modern times have made the name Isaiah more religious in my eyes
@quentinstayskull2464 Isn't Issac a Jewish name, though? 🤔
@@carltonbanks7566 And Jesus was a Jew whose name was more accurately Yeshua/Joshua, practically anything applicable to Judaism is applicable to Christianity up to a certain point.
@MugenHeadNinja Well, the same thing can be said about Islam, too. These are pretty much similar to each other... Which makes sense! But originally, names like Issac have more connection to Judaism than Christianity and Islam, although it can be found in all of the above... names like Abraham and Samuel kinda play the same role too.
Apparently wendigoon has an alleged boog history. Other than this, I found the usual "no source" complaints but that's a common problem on youtube.
He does seem to be a conspiracy theorist but he is unique in which ones he covers, and covers them in ways that any leftist could have. "FBI definitely assassinated MLK" and "Waco and Ruby Ridge people bad, but police messed it up" style coverage.
He also once gave a minor nod to lack of reporting of missing black children, which isn't much but I'd expect most right wing youtubers to not mention this at all whatsoever.
So I was never really able to peg his politics down completely.
ITs not Alleged. GUy has said it himself, theres literal screenshots of his own statement thats still up to this day.
@@calebmatthews7268 I had to say alleged because I never saw that. I just saw a few of the dude's videos... and not even all of those. I hope he's getting out, or will one day though.
@@tenchimuyo69 So as far as hes stated he got out, but yeah before it got to infested he apparently left. But yeah he did def have ties at one point.
Yeah it was actually really nice when he talked about some of the stuff the CIA did in the cold war. He clearly does have at least some good, realistic outlooks
What is the point of finding out his politics?
A member of the vaush community, I do not hate you. I always felt that you were far more sympathetic and genuine during the whole keffals drama.
has he gooned to any """""goblins""""" or bestality on stream recently?
What about the lo-i mean goblins and horsies?
Man the troll responses in these threads just aren't trying.
Seconded
I like Vaush, but came late to the party and I have no clue who Keffals even is.
His veiw on gay and trans folks is basically: They aren't hurting anyone, so i dont have a problem with them. I dont think God has a problem with it, but if he does for some reason, that isn't for us to worry about.
Very much someone who believes "do not judge, lest you be judged". Sometimes to a fault because he doesn't judge those extreme rightwingers as harshly as he should.
You’re right that the left can’t pick its battles. I’m on the fence about Wendigoon. He seems nice, but nice isn’t the same thing as kind. We’ve all experienced that. The company we keep reflects on us, certainly, and Wendigoon is friends with some clearly gross people. But that’s not enough of a reason to pick a fight you can’t win. Sorry I don’t have a more definitive take.
I’m sorry Vaush’s community has been so hard on Xan. Vaush is very good at the politics but I’d rather comment on a Xan video any day.
Xan is pretty good but his community is irritating to deal with. Some of the mods in the server for example are just outright toxic
UHM, excuse me! Proud Vaushite here! I am constantly bouncing between you and Vaush. Seriously, my work playlist is like... 80% you and Vaush.
Vaush? The pedo??
Lol yeah I'm legit over here because Vaush said something positive about Xan and I was like "oh cool, a recommendation, the vibes are good" xD
Dawg that can't be good for your mental health. Go watch a 5 hour video on the history of Mario kart speedruns.
@@luisaleloki Okay, I KNOW what this is referencing, because I JUST saw it, but I can no longer remember what the source was. 😭
I’m sorry for the mental illness that compels you to do that
As a Vaush viewer I am actually suprised many people that watch Vaush see you negative. Out of all the political content creators you have been one of the most consistent and I respect you breaking with the line of other left-leaning content creators if you think its wrong, like with Afghanistan.
it kinda sucks wendigoon is so heavily associated with far right individuals, i honestly believe he's a nice guy but tbh i get a bit of an ick when i see him hanging out with bad people, just bc he acts nice and civil dosent mean he dosent hold bad views, it just means he's nice enough to respect people. i'm not assuming he does but the people others associate with is a major importance to me in who i watch etc. even if that might be a bit unfair. i have to be careful in this world as a openly trans person.
I completely agree with this tbh
Yeah I hear you and I really like his content. But I for sure don't want to accidentally be supporting trans/homophobes either or get sucked into a pipeline of them. It's definitely a thing us older brained people gotta be careful of.
He's most definitely not transphobic, if that brings you any comfort.
Valid and real, stay safe my lovely kin.
"ewwww he hangs out with conservatives" 🤓🤓🤓🤓
Hi there I'm transfem, and I genuinely dislike the Wendigoon hate lately. It honestly mostly started when he made it know he's kind of seriously christian.
I have my own hatred for religion as a *concept* but I don't really believe it to be an inherently negative flaw. My local church even has a progress flag in their little message box thing.
Also has Xan ever discussed the "Goblin drama" around Vaush, or did he kinda just stay uber quiet? Considering how much he seems to hate pedophiles and denounce even drawn lolicon 100%, I'm very interested in his take on his friend's porn habits in relation to these views.
Windigoon reminds me of one of my closest friends. Both are really Christian and religious. But they still accept people for who they are.
My thing is a person can hold bad views and still be a good person. A person can also have friends with views different than him. In fact that mingling of views is how ideas change.
I personally became apprehensive about you after birthing the bridge with keffals, but felt more comfortable with you after everyone found out what she did (I felt similar with the completionist between the "expose" and then when another video made me reconsider how solid the evidence of said expose was). As for vaush's community, they don't represent him, he's finally started cracking down on them, thank God.
Asking someone with a confederate flag shirt if they hate black people is actually a kid xan w
Xan, I found you through Vaush and had nearly written you off thanks to the Esssyists Vs Debatebro crap.
But because Vaush and Demon Mama vouched for you I gave your channel a go.
And I am so glad I did!
You do have great takes. Ignore the idiots.
I think he's not malicious, just ignorant.
Oh absolutely, though he's clearly not entirely ignorant. He does criticize what we did in the cold war
Missed the stream, can't wait to find out what happened
Goon used to mean something different
Yes, I am protected.
I was in a call and somoen said they only don’t like him cause his religion, and I was like what?
I think Wendigoon gets along with those people on the basis of liking guns and not trusting the government. He is likely very good at compartmentalizing as long as they don't talk about things like gay and trans rights around him (kinda like me with my family, and some friends with way more mild opinions than these clowns). He's talked about those things on his own channel and obviously doesn't agree with them on that stuff. I couldn't be friends with someone that extreme, and i wish he would choose his associates better.
I don’t know what makes you think there homophonic or transphobic I think your judging a book by it’s cover also black people use gay as an insult all the time but you have nothing to say about that
In mt experience anyone who calls the civil war "the war of northern aggression" is almost definitely a member of the pointy white hood club
Isn’t xanderthal friends with vaush the horse f**ker?
LMAO, i love that kid xanderhal has pretty much the same vibe and facial expression as adult xanderhal why is that soo funny to me XD
I find it funny, because I KNEW this day was coming. In Praise of Shadows is one of my fav horror video essayist channels. However, much like thought slime I never knew he was a breadtuber (i watched Scardy Matt his horror channel). Eventually over time I realized that Praise of Shadows would make these very soap boxey woke scold tier critiques of films that to me, felt super out of touch with the horror community and felt incredibly silly when thought about for more than one moment. So I kind of figured he'd eventually piss someone off with what he had to say when he eventually got on a bigger soap box to grand stand something. Yet, I didn't expect him to shoot himself in the foot as hard as he did, he literally made the WEAKEST attacks on some of the chillest youtubers. I hate Turkey Tom still though, but most of the other guys did nothing, and shaming wendigoon for wearing a hawaiin shirt still, like seriously? that's your smoking gun?
"Stay in your lane" probably the lesson here...
I feel like the people trying to ride his coat tails are the problem and not him.
I've actually watched a lot of the Weird Bible Podcast that Isaiah does with The Lore Lodge (I just wanted the Bible sparknotes lmao) and I didn't really get any red flags that I can remember (last one I watched was about a year ago). The way he and Adrian (Lore Lodge) talked made it seem like they got normal, moral takeaways from the Bible instead of whatever garbage you hear fundamentalists screeching about today. Side note, Isaiah jokes about stuff you would never hear a typical fundamentalist even think, and he follows Bernie Sanders on Twitter.
Saying you could tell Wendigoon is far right when you couldnt even tell your girl spent all your money on crack certainly makes me doubt your judgement
Your complete lack of shame being what you are, having the name and pfp you have without a hint of irony, certainly makes me doubt you should continue existing.
@@TheOutsider69least insane brainrotted Xanderasshole fan
@@TheOutsider69reddit comment
Xandercuck at least Tyrone is enjoying your Ex
@@TheOutsider69I put 69 in my name because it the funny sec number I hecking love reddit
Wendigoon seems like a nice guy
I go back and forth on wendigoon because while he mostly keeps things pretty clean on his videos, every time I see him on another channel, he's getting chummy with the worst people.
Something something bar, something something table, something something not zees
@@ToxicAudri Fatherless behaviour
I don’t understand why that is an issue?
@@bsw351 like another commenter alluded to, if there is one Nazi at a dinner party with 9 other guests, that is a Nazi dinner party with 10 Nazis at the table. There is no room for tolerance of hate without de facto agreeing with and defending that hate.
I will 100% judge you by the company you choose to keep. The people you surround yourself with tells me more about you than anything else you could say with words.
@@themightymcb7310 this is why the left can never win… wouldn’t that one person we could move to the left? Instead of just doing guilt by association how about you actually try to understand what that person beliefs before speculating.
what's wrong with this comment section
Genuinely I don’t know it’s like the idea of someone being religious is horrible
@@chestermicgun Moderate religion enables radical religion.
@@TheOutsider69 you can get radicals of anything
@@TheOutsider69cuck moment
The thing about wendigoon is that even if he doesn't agree with someone he's friends with them he's just kinda friends with everybody
Not that wendigoon couldn’t be a crazy “noahs ark was literally real” cristian, but xan’s judging of people is so lackluster that my first instinct is to doubt
He never struck me as all that conservative. He seems weirdly normal. Hell, he doesn't even misgender or dead-name transgender people.
Probably because center-right or light right barely exists online anymore lmfao
Omg it’s almost as if some Christian respect other people’s beliefs and opinions like there supposed to do
Conservatives arent inherently anti trans.
also, this whole "trans people are the devil" schtick is a hollow government psyop that has nothing to do with religion
Ah, wendigoon...do I even want to know? 😢
I love Wendigoon, his content is amazing to me. With that said alot of his friends are very sus to me. Brandon Herrera seems to really kinda suck. I didn't know that part about Buckingham at the Chappelle show and I like him less for that but i only ever knew him from his beef with Sneako anyway. Turkey Tom I don't think is awful, he's really just an edgy kid that thinks slurs = funny which is ignorant and childish but I don't think it exactly makes him a bad person. Of course there's others but Wendigoon does seem nice and pretty accepting of queer folks, unless he's only supported some queer youtubers as a disguise or something. I also don't think he makes his religion that much of his content. Of course he mentions it now and again but as long as hes not trying to convert people IDC
i mean he literally defended a trans person on twitter and said that he doesn't agree with his transphobic and homophobia fans
Total wendigoon victory
19:17 *holds up photo* "I am looking for John Connor"...
Lil kid xan looks like the kid in those coming of age movies who's best friends with the much more timid main character, and he's a bit of a bad influence and more rambunctious than the main kid, but you can tell he's a good kid at heart but probably just had a rough upbringing
The "goon" in wendigoon refers to a popular gun culture estetic of tactical gear and esp nightvison tying into the nvgs his avatar is wearing. He had/has ties to the boogaloo boys who are a larpy far right militia aswell
Seems like hes still pissed about the Hills have eyes video basically *killing* his channel
Plus he called out cody leach and a Con that had kevin spacey and how cody didnt really say anything about it. Cody responded and told IPOS had he took the time to speak to him he wouldve gotten his stance but he will never talk to IPOS after this video.
All around its just a "im salty" video about alot of shit. He's salty about the whole horror con and cody not talking about Kevin spacey. He's salty his channel basically died because of a bad take. He's salty that certain movies had to cut to make money. He's salty about wendigoon having more money than him and that he doesn't understand horror movies because he never struggled, even going as far as to say he shouldn't be allowed in horror spaces
Wendigoon isn't a portmanteau but what wendigo is spelled in certain Ojibwe dislects. So "wendigoon" means "wendigo".
Sorry Xan but this segment is slightly too parasocial. Wendigoon makes good videos and I'm happy with that.
Yea it’s never a winning strategy to essentially say you can’t have friends that have different beliefs because I don’t like those beliefs especially when that person is trying extremely hard to stay unpolitical and be normie and has normie audience. I get its different for poltical side of RUclips but like yeah it just feels a little wierd even if I get the point that like you shouldn’t be hanging around people who do certain things
Thats news to me about the guy never watched him because I dont care for his material. Im Catholic and seeing someone who believes religion to that degree is a bit weird to me.
Well, with regards to us Appalachian mixed race types, you get a Wendigoon for every Ben Brainard. Sorry. Lol
32:52 I was unaware of any vaush rift, why does everything have to be a fracture 😅 I'm not even sure where these two disagree
I think he's the same denomination that Jimmy Carter is/was (Southern Baptist). Southern Baptists tend to be one of the theologically conservative denominations in Christianity (especially the white congregations), so his belief in angels and a literal interpretations of the Bible makes sense giving his denomination. Literal interpretations of the Bible tends to be characteristic of evangelical theology, which Baptists are historically a part of.
Where can I find the stream schedule?
Remember Wendigoon was the original Bagaloo Boy. He still wears Hawaiian shirts
Wendigoon melts the brains of terminally online leftists, because he chooses not to bring his political beliefs into his content and discuss them in his videos. They're projecting the idea that he's always thinking about politics and every move he makes has to be political, so they choose to believe he's just dogwhistling, or a secret extremist.
I don’t believe that there’s such a thing as something that’s not political.
@@WASDLeftClick Thank you for proving my point
@@KarazolaX No, really, think about it. The only things not influenced by politics you can do is breath, urinate, defecate, and drink water.
@@WASDLeftClick You continue to prove my point
@@KarazolaXthey don’t this just sounds like your projecting
Its kind of disappointing seeing this whole drama because both channels make some pretty great content and I've been a fan of both for years
I absolutely love wedigoons videos. I'm not religious but on all the things I've seen him on with others he's so chill. And he can believe what he wants if it makes him happy or just makes sense to him (within viable reasons like everything). I don't think he deserves the drama and attacks people take to him for stuff like this
I honestly think that Wendigoon is just a libertarian. Like he might have ok ideas and takes, but can't or doesn't want to deal with the cognitive dissonance of having the group of friends that he has
Is he a saint or something? No, but he isn't a bad person either
A Vaush fan here, maybe ya two could collab again I dunno, honestly have not seen any hate from his community being thrown your way, maybe cause I am only a RUclips watcher and not a discord dweller but regardless, I think it is just a rule of big communities with some very loud very bad people in them. I am sure Vaush’s community has more people like me in it, maybe nicer but at least reasonable.
Also Wendigoon is based and we need more media personalities like that, maybe not correct on everything but truly believing in the betterment of everyone and everything, people like that eventually come to a progressive conclusion even if they start at a wrong place and Wendigoon is far from a “wrong place” here.
Ah yes the pedo vaush
Just because History rhymes doesn’t mean it must repeat
I like him alright. Though I'm nervous about some of the company he keeps. I wonder what denomination he is? Some fundie Babtist group perhaps?
Lmao in what way does IPOS seems nice?
I’m not a wendiogoon fan I just think it is kind of weird to go after someone just cause there friends are off. I understand your point but it’s just feels toxic to be like you can’t have friends just because they believe x thing it just feels a bit of online take and purity testing that is unnecessary. Like if I did that I would have less friends then I do I only have like a few friends. This is part of why the left has problems to much purity testing instead of going for good but not perfect option. I think it’s so hard because so many people are trying to get away from politics and political stuff because of tension it causes so when your critical of people for just having wierd friends it does make it seem deranged and I don’t know what to do about that because I don’t want to know the politics of my college classmates cause I don’t want to have the pressure of being like I have to avoid you too like bruh.
Going after people just cause their friends are bad might be good content but it’s not an affirmative reason for them to join your side. I think the left needs to focus on what it can offer people and what positive versions of left leaning people look like rather than always being critical of everything. The left ends of being that complaining person at a job or on a street not being taken seriously cause there is always a compliant and no work to make things better
I'm not very deep into either community, but I watch both you and Vaush and didn't know about the animosity you mentioned. Respectfully I think you're a bit of a yapper, but that's about it.
Kid Zan looks like he’ll tell you all the secret middle school shit you’re not supposed to know
Kid Zan looks like he types 80085 on the calculator
Imagine looking like a stickman
Hmm he's just wendigoon what could he do
Bigbungee own you slanderhall
DJ Muel should feel good about the wendigoon hit-peice...he is no longer the worst leftist essayist LOL
The way i see it. Although him hanging out with bigoted people is bad, i dont feel like im supporting those bad people by watching Wendigoon's content. What he does in his own time is none of our business, and its not like he financially benefits by hanging with bad people. And it clearly shows in his content
I think it's meant to be Wendigo and Dragoon
Like how Dragoons are the minions of dragons, a Wendigoon is a wendigo's minion? Idk
Ive watched him for a long time and im kinda baffled that people are only recently picking up on the fact that hes politically right leaning. Hes a vocal Christian from Tennessee with an expansive gun collection that he regularly shows in videos. And as we know, conspiracy theories can skew right wing depending on the crowd. I think the right becoming so bonkers has resulted in us forgetting there are conservatives who dont sound like they speak using a donald trump dialog tree
Idk if youve caught a vaush stream lately but vaushcord and chat are insane.
Arguing very stupid stuff.
Also good vid because theres a lot of iffy internet people who are onky empowered by these horrible takedowns.
Xanderhall really wants to get that r/youtubedrama kama
One of my first intros to Wendigoon was him on the official podcast. On his 1st appearance, charlie and etc were very irreverent towards religion. Fast forward to today, and Isaiah is good friends with them and has the Red Thread podcast. My point is, Wendigoon seems pretty down to earth and doesn't take things too personally. Those PKA guys could totally have gone at Wendigoon lol
Idk, I think in a world where Kick streamers are committing unspeakable crimes daily, maybe the well-spoken and empathetic youth pastor turned macabre content creator doesn't deserve a hit piece regardless of its quality. Maybe that's a task for tomorrow when it comes, if it comes at all
Yeah I'm less concerned with guys who personally hold far right views but keepnit on the DL than I am about guys who actively harass and attack minorities tbh. honestly I think that unless people actually harm other people with their beliefs, it's dumb to "callout post" over it. Most normal people don't really care what other ppl believe. Wendigoons association with genuinely shitty people is absolutely concerning, but I feel like the focus should be less on the dude associated with the shitty people and more on the shitty people themselves.
@@spacegirlfriend42069muh heckin republicans honestly hope trump wins i want to see that pedo Vaush seething
I am a fan of the In Praise of Shadows channel, just not this turn into the weeds of youtube drama...really, he should appreciate the irony that, for whatever reason, he acquired a fairly conservative audience himself, not unlike Wendigoon, which was undoubtedly behind the backlash to his video on The Hills Have Eyes. I can't see any leftists or even your most moderate liberal making comments like that. And this is what the algorithm does.
While i've come to discover some of Wendigoon's more disappointing views, I will always give him credit for being respectful and empathetic towards victims while he covers missing persons mysteries.
I've watched and appreciated both In Praise of Shadows and Wendigoon. Wendigoon is fairly surface level, but good enough when you want to get an introduction or a long recap of something you might be interested in. In Praise Of Shadows is a better analyst with more personal takes. In spite of all the drama I do still recommend most of his other videos if you're really into horror, especially the one about witches in media, the golden age of horror comics and the Nicholas Cage retrospective. Unfortunately, he's let his leftist views become prescriptive ideology rather than an interpretative lens. I remember him claiming in one of his videos (sorry, don't remember which one) that horror should be based on love and compassion, to which I say... no... I mean, it can, sure! But is there really no place for negative emotions in art any more? Can't hate, fear, sadism, masochism and a legion of phobias and traumas also not lead to powerful artistic expressions?
Wendigoon strikes me as the kind of guy who’s just skeptical of the government, whether he ends up siding with the left or the right. Given his video on MLK’s assassination, I highly doubt he’s particularly loyal to right wing thought. That and the one on some CIA activities in the Philippines, really doesn’t seem like the kind of topics a staunch conservative would cover.
did you just say mirrorcat?
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Wendigoon will always be a gem 💎
That mogul moves video had nothing to do with it. Its about smash bros.
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The guy who made the video definitely hurt his cause, like all videos of this nature always do since anyways assumed to have different beliefs than the Left are attacked without question.
Dude made a huge mistake going after Wendigoon, who ever since his beginning has been known to be a chill and nice guy. However all the guy saw was a man associated with those on the Right and some unsavory people, so he attacked him. Definitely a problem the online Left has that only pushes people to the Right.
Leftists are so critical of people and ideas that is easily pushes away even people that would support it because there not that willingness to compromise for some great goal. People who are not in left leaning spaces are not prepared for this level of criticism and purity testing. When I see things like this I cringe because I can’t afford to cut people off just because they believe different things than me. I also just think it’s wrong to do so. We need to be working with people to be better not tearing them down even if they believe things that are not aligned with what I would like them to be. The causes the most productive outcomes rather then dumb stuff like this where people are getting attacked cause their friends are questionable.
19:50 Why does kid Xan look so fucking smug in that photo
Bro defending Chris form Mr beast even after owing art from shadman
Im a Vaushite that still watch you
yea he believes some wild stuff but hes a mostly decent guy with mostly decent takes
1 millisecond 4.8 quadrillion views hell nah fell off
Hunter Avallone’s community speaks highly of you. Even Holle herself said you were based!
Vaush got me into politics and im still a fan but I dont hate you. I actually like your content although i dont think i agree with absolutely everything you say. Ill admit theres a chunk of vaushs audience, maybe even a majority, that just want drama and fights between between lefties and its not good. I think the dishonest accusations against him may have resulted in a large portion of his audience getting overly defensive when any real criticism is brought up
Coming here from Shoe’s video on this subject is crazy whiplash. Wasn’t your initial goal with this channel to make the left more appealing to centrists/normies? This is so offputting and parasocial. The comments are even worse.
I think I’ve just grown out of the online left or something.
It’s a complicated issue especially since online discourse tends to be toxic on both sides especially when involves drama between people . Many right leaning RUclipsr at least online that I have seen seem to believe the most crazy things. However the mistake here is that because people online are crazy doesn’t mean that every conservative or right leaning person is some hidden crazy psycho who wants to take your rights away. I think some people are just ignorant or normie and just trying to live their lives and I think that being online all the time sort can make your forget that. Not that it excuses bad behavior but there is huge difference between someone just living life and someone openly advocating for harmful policy.
What's "parasocial" about Xander's video? Also, didn't Shoe make a comment about IPOS calling him "fat", ""ugly" and "mentally ill", like she was a teenager trying to win the intolerance bingo? I can understand that people now dislike him for the video he made on Wendigoon, but defending the kind of childish attitude Shoe had (actually, that she HAS, constantly) is what comes of as "parasocial" to me.
@@PeixeKing the comment above isn’t actually defending shoe’s attitude if you don’t read between the lines which I’m going to do for just good faith purposes. I watched both videos and Shoe on Head focused on wierd stuff people were saying and honestly while Xan take was more measured then those takes she’s showed is still wierd for me personally and others to be like you can’t have friends who believe other things. That what the message of this videos seems to boil down to though there may be some nuance to it. I do think there is line that shouldn’t be crossed and you friends should be held to certain standards but especially if you live in certain areas you will have certain types of people be your friends. So only talking about both videos Xan and the left does come off more parasocial on this particular video and topic
The parasocial aspect for me is basically saying basically you can’t have friends who have different political beliefs then you even if your just trying to enjoy your life and be as non political as possible and trying to get people in drama that try there absolute best to be a good person and stay drama free and only have the crime of having friends that have bad political beliefs. It would be better to attack those bad people’s beliefs rather then the “innocent” person who Xan’s admits is basically a good person or try’s really hard to be good
@@rickyrivera3623 IPOS's video is bad and should be criticized, for many reasons, but if people on the internet were actually trying to have a fair and balanced conversation on the subject, someone like Shoe wouldn't even be considered a reliable source of information, specially after her juvenile comment that's also very hypocritical, in context. Her attitude is the opposite of "good faith", and the fact that she basically wasn't criticized for her comment makes it look like that this whole "drama" isn't really about defending Wendigoon and other people featured in the video from slander, anymore: Wendigoon himself even commented asking people not to insult IPOS because of him, you know, the exact thing that Shoe and others have been doing, something closer to bullying than to actual criticism. Also, I don't see how it's "parasocial" to think that a person's company might say something about their own beliefs and personality: at least in my country, that's something that older people used to say; there's literally an old saying about it. From my own personal experience, I to give people the benefit of the doubt despite some red flags based on whom those people used to hang out with and defend, and eventually I learned that my initial assumptions were right. That's me, obviously, and it's still stupid and dishonest for IPOS to think that he had enough information to make the kind of video he tried to make, specially considering he doesn't know Wendigoon personally. Maybe that's the parasocial aspect, and not the belief, on itself. But Shoe is also stupid and dishonest, and, through her attitude, she's pandering, intentionally or not, to the kind of people that she's supposedly trying to distance herself from, being basically: "Well, this dude is unfairly accusing me and people that I personally agree with of being fascists. Let me prove him wrong by insulting him in a way that actual fascists or people from the far-right in general would!". I know that you (user I'm directly replying to now) aren't defending her attitude, but I do think that her attitude should invalidate her arguments, in this case.
Never heard of him.
In Praise of Shadows doesn’t provide any critique (most commenters just watched the Wendigoon portion; I watched two and a half chapters). His video started with complaints about how his RUclips channel wasn’t getting bigger (in fact, it’s clear that his viewership plateaud.) How he struggled to pay his rent. Man, really, watch the first part of it. That made whatever critique of Wendigoon seem in particularly bad faith; he points out more than once if I recall how large W’s subscriber base is. It came across as motivated primarily by envy, with the ‘right-wing adjacent’ stuff tacked on for good measure.
As far as Wendigoon himself goes? He doesn’t present as an obnoxious Christian but I prefer to avoid all that stuff. Six plus decades on this earth, I’ve heard enough. But I do like The Red Thread, where he is one third of the group. They do conspiracies, cults, etc. since he’s not the whole show, I like him in that context. And I’ve never gotten the evil Christian vibe off him. Don’t know if he’s just great at compartmentalization or if he’s just nice guy. I’ve never seen anything to indicate he’s other than he seems.
But the Shadow person, if he’s an example of typical leftist critique, that explains why I’ve avoided most leftist spaces for thirty-five years. The intellectual rigor is completely absent. I don’t mean adherence to a specific dogma - I mean the quality of the critique. The full documentary is very whiney and self-focused. That ain’t critique. That’s just a pity party.