@@16BitBear Congrats to you as well then! Glad it only took one re-roll. I'm still holding off on pulling on the double banner with Cole & the witch girl bc i wanna see what some of the upcoming limited banners are in case i wanna save for those.
Did this style work for you? I was trying to think of a way to demonstrate the system visually in a way I hadn't seen others do. Hopefully it made sense.
yup. number 1 rule is to prepare a full pity. thats why when i argue with people about pull income and how its important to let f2p and low spenders pull new characters at a decent amount of time, im not considering getting the character early because thats not gonna be the experience that make people quit the game.
I've taken breaks from other gatchas just from non pity frustration alone. If I had one criticism here it's that they don't do anything for the multi pull like some other games have.
Great video, i want to ask does pity carry forward for destined and single banner? i.e. let say i pull 100 on destined banner for col/beryl and i didn't get either. I wait until next destined banner, will i just need 80 to gurantee one of the two on new banner or no? Thanks in advance
Yes, it will transfer. But from what I know that would be only if you didn't pull the character. So basically if you stop early (like ran out of pulls), that will transfer. If you pull the SSR though, it's resetting the pity so nothing to transfer.
That last strat seems really cheeky, idk if I'd even encounter it though. Great video. Does a banner's pity carry over to the next one of its kind (reminiscent of Hoyo game banners)? Like say if I was going for Gloria and did 170 pulls but I didn't get her, would the next debut banner remember the 170 pulls I did and only require me to do 10 at most? The only other gacha I've played outside of this and Genshin is Fire Emblem Heroes, which has no "pity carry over" system, is it like that instead?
But what if I'm at 170/180 on the gloria banner, and 80/100 on the "global" SSR pity. If I put a multi into Gloria, wilk the "global" pity reset or go to 90/100?
If you multi at 170 you'll hit the 180 and pull Gloria. Because you pulled a legendary, the global counter resets to 0. Anytime a legendary is pulled the 100 counter goes to 0.
I have a question about when the banner-specific pities reset. Let’s say I’m doing Gloria banner and I hit her on pull 170. Does her banner reset, so I would need 180 more for a second guaranteed Gloria? Or if I did 10 more would I get a guaranteed Gloria? Or does that counter just disappear, and there are no more guaranteed Glorias from that banner? And similarly with Beryl/Col. I know that if I Beryl at 20, the counter doesn’t reset - I’ll get Col if I hit 180. But what happens if I then hit Col at 100? Could I do another 80 to get a second guaranteed Col or Beryl? Or does getting them both reset the counter to 180? Or does that pity just no longer exist if you’ve gotten them early? My specific situation is I got Beryl at 20 and Col at 70. Then hit Gloria at 100 - but hit 2 at once. Those aren’t close enough to 180 to have me interested in keeping going. But if I hit one at 170, and knew I could get a dupe with just 10 more pulls? That could be enticing..
If you get Gloria it resets the counter. On the other one if you got Beryl at 20 the counter resets and you need another 180 for a Col pity. For example I got Col and my counter reset. So if I wanted Beryl I’d need to potentially go to 180.
That is my recommendation ultimately. I've been burned by gotcha's in other games by trying to do YOLO pulls or not committing to a single banner. I don't see where this is fundamentally different in SoC.
Hi 16 bit, does the Single Rate banner counter carries on the next banner ? Let's say i didn't get Gloria, is my counter is going for the following banner ? Thanks
Hello! If I pull for the single rate up banner and lose the 50/50, then I skip because maybe I dont have enough pulls, then I decided to pull for the future Single rate banner, is it a guarantee? Btw, Saffiyah teaching the knights is too cute! ❤
Yes, but that is if you don't pull the character. So if you say do 80 pulls and that final pull hits the banner character, there is nothing to carry over. If you pull 80 times and just say "that's enough" and leave without getting featured character, then it carries to next.
I'm not 100%, but I think 10 pulls work the same way they work on HSR for example, meaning if you do a 10 pull, you can get the character on the 7th pull, the 3rd, the 10th, it's still just 10 pulls one after another, doesn't mean Gloria in this case is always the 10th, which is important because you can do a 10 pull at 99 general pity, and 175 Gloria pity, and get both on the same 10 pull (Only if you didn't get Gloria first ofc). And I think so because my single banner pity says I have 179 pulls to go, even tho my last pull was a 10 pull. This is still super niche and incredible impractical, but it's good to know I guess. The only thing that really matters is, if your event banner pity and general pity are both high, you should pull on any banner with low pity, tbh even standard banner if you have high pity everywhere else, and guarantee 2 characters this way.
Sword of Convallaria? MOAR LIEK "Sword of Convollution"! Am I rite? lolz No, really... this is starting to feel like a guide on any of the systems regarding Darkest Dungeon.
Lol you got a good laugh out of me on that one. I'm not sure why these gatcha systems have to be so complex sometimes. A player shouldn't have to get that into the details for all the systems, currencies, etc.
I will say that there is a lesser need for meta in this game and that the story and base game is fun as is. I think that allows for some forgiveness from me. I just don't think I'll worry as much on the 'meta' or every character chase. I'm still having fun overall.
I'd have to see your pull record if you want to send it to me on discord. If you pulled Col on that banner than your next pity at 180 should have been Beryl. So it would go Col ->reset counter 180 pity ->Beryl.
@@16BitBearhaha I’ve spent too much time this week trying to understand these banners. Thanks for confirming everything. Keep up the good work, your videos are great.
@Ipn6530 Thanks for the answer. I also need to confirm this, is it true to say "No matter how many SSR you got before the 180th roll, say on Gloria banner, as long as they are not Gloria, the 180th roll would guarantee you Gloria"?
Pulls are always 50/50 till you hit 180 then i guarantees... Its just luck .. you can hit 3 straight 5* characters and still might not be the rate up character BUT your pity never resets (the only thing that resets here is the standard banner cuz when u hit that 5* and its not the rate up standard resets)
I pulled universal pity at pull number 100 and it was García and it reseted all the dual banners pity, all of them went back to 180, Gloria banner remains with its own pity count. So if universal pity had given me a Gloria unit, even if I pull on dual banner, it will reset Gloria's banner pity.
I'm still confused about one thing. I've already got Col on the Innocence Banner. In 140 summons i'm guaranteed to get Beryl. If i hit a legendary before that, and the 75% chance trigger, am i guaranteed to get Beryl ? Or is there also a chance to get Col again ? Cuase i've just got Col for the 2nd time along the way and the Destined Pity didn't reset. So... does it mean that the 75% didn't trigger ?
You would not be guaranteed Beryl until you do 180 pulls after pulling Col on that same banner. You could get multiple duplicates of Col on the way. Someone sent me a pic in discord of getting 3 Cols before Beryl on the way to the pity for Beryl.
@@16BitBear Omg... I was hoping to get other legendaries besides Col, but if i only have 25% chance of pulling other legendaries when a hit the universal pity, i don't think i will keep pulling on this banner xD
For the double-rate up, I know you specified 360 pulls, but there is one thing I want to stress to people. Let's say I already got Col. Now I am going for Beryl. If I hit the global 100 pity while pulling on double-rate up banner, I can still pull another copy of Col and not get Beryl. The game will 50/50 if you get Col/Beryl or the standard SSR pool. And then it will roll 50/50 to pick to give you Col or Beryl. But, like you said, if you go all the way to 180 again, you are guaranteed to get the character on the double-banner that you do not have yet. So in my example the game would give me Beryl
I get lucky as F2P after many new account re-rolls I get 2x Beryl + Gunzman , later drop Col, Nonowill and today Inanna total 260 Pulls for 9 legendary but 2x duplicates and one was poor Xavier
But can you loose the 50/50 again if you per example, pulled an early SSR at pull 30 and then it took another 100, which is the limit, for another SSR but still 50 off to 180, you would still not get the Featured SSR one??? 😫
The launch will have a decent influx of rewards like many gatcha games. There is also a bit to be had in clearing stages the first time. What I don't know is how much currency we will see as things level off. They are doing a faster release of content to catch us up a bit to TW/CN servers, but we don't know how they will adjust rewards to compensate.
Just don't anger the gatcha gods :). I've seen many a people frustrated over a missed rate up pull and then not have enough to pity and be disappointed.
@@16BitBear so if I pull on the Col/Beryl banner now and I dont get any of them for example i reach 140/180 on the pity, then when their banned comes back I will be closer to the pity?
How much does a single ten pull cost in real world dollars, though? The last gacha I played (Octopath) literally was hundreds of dollars to hit a single pity, but had new banners every single week...
We have estimates, but won't know for sure until it launches later today. I do have plans to make a video (likely this weekend) of what I think is worth spending money on in shop and I'll do the math on dollar to pull so we see the value.
The double banner should only be considered if you have the second banner character. The game has a system to guarantee you getting the character you don’t own.
It only counts that you pulled the character in that banner. So if I was currently pulling on Edda's banner and got Garcia, the double banner with Garcia on it right now would not count that when hitting pity.
180 pity is very stingy for a gacha, especially considering the current pull income. Counting only repeatable stuff and not first-time clear things and achivements, you get like what, 1 pull roughly every 3 days ish and barely over 1 pull from weekly Tower? Good luck saving up all the way to 180 with this, lmao.
@@16BitBear I'm just kinda hoping that meta won't be necessary for endgame content, in all the good gachas (such as AK) meta characters most of the time are more of a suggestion rather than an obligation, and people still can clear content with their 5 star, 4 star units. And the more strategic nature of SoC's gameplay gives me more hope in that regard because clearing stages doesn't just come down to pure stat checks and dps races.
On your first example where you pull 20 on single 30 on double then 50 on single, then ssr "might not be gloria". Then you pull another 100 on single which puts you 170/180 and the ssr is still "might not be gloria" ? So you are saying 180 is hard pity to get rate up, therefore any ssr before 180 you can lose 50/50 how ever many ssr you get? So i can get 4 ssr before 180 and it wont be gloria? Also what happens at 180 on your first example. Do you even get ssr at 180 since it does not reset?
Every legendary pull before the 180 could be someone else. There's the rate up which helps, but it's not guaranteed until that final hard pity pull. At 180 you will get the featured character on the single banner, or on the double banner you get one of the two characters. In every case, when you pull an SSR the global 100 counter resets. Now hopefully luck is not as bad as to push you to the 180, but it's what I like to plan for if I really want the character.
60 hope of luxite from daily x 30 (1month) = 1800 hope of luxite 1 Secret fate cost 150 hope of luxite x 10 =1500 luxite 180 secret fate = 27,000 hope of luxite 27,000 hope of luxite ÷ 1800 hope of luxite (per month) = 15months 1 year and 3 months worth of grinding for a single guarantee from just doing dailies
Even with events and such, unless they do something aggressive, what I hear is every few months is average pace to a pity. Certainly not enough to target heavily by any stretch of the imagination. I wonder if their desire is more to have you go for the 100 pity and hope you get the character from that. The monthly income is not good from what I can tell. I'm not sure what the right answer is on how frequently it should give a pity, but with today's fast moving mindsets I feel like at most 1 every 1.5 months would be possibly too slow. They should address it.
@@16BitBear well the whales have to pay 416 usd just for a guaranteed rate up While hsr guaranteed only cost 356 usd. SoC only advantage here is that we can max limit break each character for free from grinding them, i heard about 4~6 months worth of grinding? I guess the only hope we have is how much good event rewards are gonna be
Oh I am having a blast with it. Even if you don't want to do the gatcha side of it there is a full single player experience you open right after the tutorial stages. I played quite a bit of that in the demo and genuinely it. You should give that a shot :)
Grat job. This is clear and to the point. Keep up the great work.
Thanks! Really your video helped me on the topic as well. Hopefully other's jump to your page and see it too.
Thank you for dumbing this down for me. This is amazing work! I appreciate it!
Glad it helped!
Clear and to the point. This is very helpful as I wasn't completely sure how the banners worked with the 100 pull pity.
Thanks. I get what they were trying to do, but they do a poor job making it transparent.
This gacha system does differ quite a lot from others, I think a clear explaination like yours is very necessary to the player base!
I’m glad it helped, happy pulling!
Thanks so much for the input from a gamification standpoint, clarity and visualization, much appreciated!
Glad it helps!
"Sees title" I like this guy already!
Well thank you, I hope I can continue to delight.
I like the direction you're taking this channel, keep it up !
Thank you!
This was very clear & helpful. Thanks for this.
Glad it was of help. Happy pulling!
@@16BitBear Thanks and same to you!
@@16BitBear Thanks for the pull blessings! I got Gloria in 27 pulls on my first account! I was gonna re-roll but i didn't even have to!
Nice. I did one reroll then got her. Also ended up pulling Col on the doubles banner (with a couple other legendary before that).
@@16BitBear Congrats to you as well then! Glad it only took one re-roll. I'm still holding off on pulling on the double banner with Cole & the witch girl bc i wanna see what some of the upcoming limited banners are in case i wanna save for those.
16 Bit Bear to the rescue of the thousands of questions going around on discord !!
Did this style work for you? I was trying to think of a way to demonstrate the system visually in a way I hadn't seen others do. Hopefully it made sense.
Now this is the way hahaha good job 👏 i like this guy 😁
Thank you, glad you are enjoying!
yup. number 1 rule is to prepare a full pity. thats why when i argue with people about pull income and how its important to let f2p and low spenders pull new characters at a decent amount of time, im not considering getting the character early because thats not gonna be the experience that make people quit the game.
I've taken breaks from other gatchas just from non pity frustration alone. If I had one criticism here it's that they don't do anything for the multi pull like some other games have.
@@16BitBear yeah ive seen people go the full 200 on nikke banners and lose the 50/50 every time. Thats rough.
YOOO.. Thanks for mentioning me, just checkin youtube
Of course! Have to give credit to your great tools. Love your work on the character infographics too.
Thank you for explaining the double rate-up banner, I got col so Im gonna try to reach 180 for berryl!
Good luck getting Beryl too!
Great video, i want to ask does pity carry forward for destined and single banner? i.e. let say i pull 100 on destined banner for col/beryl and i didn't get either. I wait until next destined banner, will i just need 80 to gurantee one of the two on new banner or no? Thanks in advance
very clear and helpfull thanks. Just wanted to know if the pity counter on single banner is transfered on the next single banner
Yes, it will transfer. But from what I know that would be only if you didn't pull the character. So basically if you stop early (like ran out of pulls), that will transfer. If you pull the SSR though, it's resetting the pity so nothing to transfer.
@@16BitBear thanks !
Nice video!
Thank you!
That last strat seems really cheeky, idk if I'd even encounter it though. Great video.
Does a banner's pity carry over to the next one of its kind (reminiscent of Hoyo game banners)? Like say if I was going for Gloria and did 170 pulls but I didn't get her, would the next debut banner remember the 170 pulls I did and only require me to do 10 at most? The only other gacha I've played outside of this and Genshin is Fire Emblem Heroes, which has no "pity carry over" system, is it like that instead?
It does carry!
@@16BitBear Awesome, ty
But what if I'm at 170/180 on the gloria banner, and 80/100 on the "global" SSR pity.
If I put a multi into Gloria, wilk the "global" pity reset or go to 90/100?
If you multi at 170 you'll hit the 180 and pull Gloria. Because you pulled a legendary, the global counter resets to 0. Anytime a legendary is pulled the 100 counter goes to 0.
I have a question about when the banner-specific pities reset.
Let’s say I’m doing Gloria banner and I hit her on pull 170. Does her banner reset, so I would need 180 more for a second guaranteed Gloria? Or if I did 10 more would I get a guaranteed Gloria? Or does that counter just disappear, and there are no more guaranteed Glorias from that banner?
And similarly with Beryl/Col. I know that if I Beryl at 20, the counter doesn’t reset - I’ll get Col if I hit 180. But what happens if I then hit Col at 100? Could I do another 80 to get a second guaranteed Col or Beryl? Or does getting them both reset the counter to 180? Or does that pity just no longer exist if you’ve gotten them early?
My specific situation is I got Beryl at 20 and Col at 70. Then hit Gloria at 100 - but hit 2 at once.
Those aren’t close enough to 180 to have me interested in keeping going. But if I hit one at 170, and knew I could get a dupe with just 10 more pulls? That could be enticing..
If you get Gloria it resets the counter. On the other one if you got Beryl at 20 the counter resets and you need another 180 for a Col pity. For example I got Col and my counter reset. So if I wanted Beryl I’d need to potentially go to 180.
Seems like its better to focus on one banner.
That is my recommendation ultimately. I've been burned by gotcha's in other games by trying to do YOLO pulls or not committing to a single banner. I don't see where this is fundamentally different in SoC.
yep, and you can always stop at near 180 pity and wait for someone you really want, and put pulls into other banner.
Hi 16 bit, does the Single Rate banner counter carries on the next banner ? Let's say i didn't get Gloria, is my counter is going for the following banner ? Thanks
Yes it does.
@@16BitBear thanks
Thanks man 🫡
Glad to help.
Hello! If I pull for the single rate up banner and lose the 50/50, then I skip because maybe I dont have enough pulls, then I decided to pull for the future Single rate banner, is it a guarantee?
Btw, Saffiyah teaching the knights is too cute! ❤
Your pity counter will be transferred to the next single banner.
Thank you for covering that.
I saw that screen in the game and thought it would be perfect for this style video. LPN covered your question, but let me know if you have more.
Thanks for the video, does pity?pull carry over to the next banner?
Yes, but that is if you don't pull the character. So if you say do 80 pulls and that final pull hits the banner character, there is nothing to carry over. If you pull 80 times and just say "that's enough" and leave without getting featured character, then it carries to next.
I'm not 100%, but I think 10 pulls work the same way they work on HSR for example, meaning if you do a 10 pull, you can get the character on the 7th pull, the 3rd, the 10th, it's still just 10 pulls one after another, doesn't mean Gloria in this case is always the 10th, which is important because you can do a 10 pull at 99 general pity, and 175 Gloria pity, and get both on the same 10 pull (Only if you didn't get Gloria first ofc).
And I think so because my single banner pity says I have 179 pulls to go, even tho my last pull was a 10 pull.
This is still super niche and incredible impractical, but it's good to know I guess. The only thing that really matters is, if your event banner pity and general pity are both high, you should pull on any banner with low pity, tbh even standard banner if you have high pity everywhere else, and guarantee 2 characters this way.
Hello 180pity /banner right? How it carry on to next banner? Single rate up carry on to single rate up and double rate up carry on to double rate up?
Should be same type to type. A single rate banner wouldn't carry to a double.
Sword of Convallaria? MOAR LIEK "Sword of Convollution"! Am I rite? lolz
No, really... this is starting to feel like a guide on any of the systems regarding Darkest Dungeon.
Lol you got a good laugh out of me on that one. I'm not sure why these gatcha systems have to be so complex sometimes. A player shouldn't have to get that into the details for all the systems, currencies, etc.
Sword of convoluted :D
Certainly feels that way in the pity system.
This is much more predatory than I was imaging 😣😣😣
I will say that there is a lesser need for meta in this game and that the story and base game is fun as is. I think that allows for some forgiveness from me. I just don't think I'll worry as much on the 'meta' or every character chase. I'm still having fun overall.
Very cool thumb, did you screenshot ingame?
I did, it's in the guide section of the game. I wish I could say I was talented enough to make that though :)
I dont understand still i got cole from the doube then got to 180bpulls and got cole agaiin?
I'd have to see your pull record if you want to send it to me on discord. If you pulled Col on that banner than your next pity at 180 should have been Beryl. So it would go Col ->reset counter 180 pity ->Beryl.
So in order to get both Col and Beryl in "Double Rate-Up Banner", I will need maximum of 360 pulls spent only on that specific banner, is it correct?
Yes. Hopefully you’ll get a first copy before 180 so you can guarantee to get the other one at 180.
Lol and here you are doing the good work on these answers. Thanks again!
That would be your worst case scenario, but I hope your luck is way better than that.
@@16BitBearhaha I’ve spent too much time this week trying to understand these banners. Thanks for confirming everything. Keep up the good work, your videos are great.
@Ipn6530 Thanks for the answer. I also need to confirm this, is it true to say "No matter how many SSR you got before the 180th roll, say on Gloria banner, as long as they are not Gloria, the 180th roll would guarantee you Gloria"?
Pulls are always 50/50 till you hit 180 then i guarantees... Its just luck .. you can hit 3 straight 5* characters and still might not be the rate up character BUT your pity never resets (the only thing that resets here is the standard banner cuz when u hit that 5* and its not the rate up standard resets)
Yeah, it's a big reason I advocate for being ready to go to pity. If you really want the character you have to be ready to go all in just in case.
I pulled universal pity at pull number 100 and it was García and it reseted all the dual banners pity, all of them went back to 180, Gloria banner remains with its own pity count. So if universal pity had given me a Gloria unit, even if I pull on dual banner, it will reset Gloria's banner pity.
It's connected to the banner type itself.
Will the pity of the single rate-up banner carry over to the next single banner if you didn't pull any SSR on the previous one?
Yes, if you abandon before getting the featured.
@@16BitBear Awesome! Thanks for answering. Great video BTW
I'm still confused about one thing.
I've already got Col on the Innocence Banner.
In 140 summons i'm guaranteed to get Beryl. If i hit a legendary before that, and the 75% chance trigger, am i guaranteed to get Beryl ? Or is there also a chance to get Col again ?
Cuase i've just got Col for the 2nd time along the way and the Destined Pity didn't reset. So... does it mean that the 75% didn't trigger ?
You would not be guaranteed Beryl until you do 180 pulls after pulling Col on that same banner. You could get multiple duplicates of Col on the way. Someone sent me a pic in discord of getting 3 Cols before Beryl on the way to the pity for Beryl.
@@16BitBear Omg... I was hoping to get other legendaries besides Col, but if i only have 25% chance of pulling other legendaries when a hit the universal pity, i don't think i will keep pulling on this banner xD
@@16BitBear I said i was not going to pull on this banner anymore, but unfortunately i did. Got Cal 3 times on this banner....
Some whale hero could try that cheat pull of 179 on debut banner, 21 on the destined one to see if it works?, we need a hero 😄
I wish I could whale that hard lol.
For the double-rate up, I know you specified 360 pulls, but there is one thing I want to stress to people. Let's say I already got Col. Now I am going for Beryl. If I hit the global 100 pity while pulling on double-rate up banner, I can still pull another copy of Col and not get Beryl. The game will 50/50 if you get Col/Beryl or the standard SSR pool. And then it will roll 50/50 to pick to give you Col or Beryl.
But, like you said, if you go all the way to 180 again, you are guaranteed to get the character on the double-banner that you do not have yet. So in my example the game would give me Beryl
That's good added context, thank you for taking the time to share that.
I get lucky as F2P after many new account re-rolls I get 2x Beryl + Gunzman , later drop Col, Nonowill and today Inanna total 260 Pulls for 9 legendary but 2x duplicates and one was poor Xavier
Those are some good units overall.
@@16BitBear Inanna, Nonowill, Beryl + Free Legenadaries from quest are affect by Rawiyah Sword of Convallari aura = I have very good team
But can you loose the 50/50 again if you per example, pulled an early SSR at pull 30 and then it took another 100, which is the limit, for another SSR but still 50 off to 180, you would still not get the Featured SSR one??? 😫
correct, you are only guaranteed the featured unit at the pity pull limit.
The pity system is pretty bad imo. I got 3 legendaries before Gloria which was a rate up. The ammount of pulls to gurantee rate up is too high.
I do wish they'd balance it down. 180 is steep.
The rate up still 75% right when hit pity 100 pull? But you still got 3 off rate? That really bad... 😢
Does it roll over onto the next upcoming banners?
So long as you don't pull the featured character yes (since pulling the featured resets the counter).
@@16BitBear That's a big positive then. Thanks.
Ha I just asked you about this on your newest video should have just looked first.
lol no worries
do they give a favorable amount of pulling currency? 100 is a big number.
The launch will have a decent influx of rewards like many gatcha games. There is also a bit to be had in clearing stages the first time. What I don't know is how much currency we will see as things level off. They are doing a faster release of content to catch us up a bit to TW/CN servers, but we don't know how they will adjust rewards to compensate.
@@16BitBear thanks that helps a lot
do standard and rate up banner use the same currency?
Yes indeed.
I hope i can pull batman though
Only if you also pull Robin.
does banner pity inheret like HSR?
I didn't play HSR, but if you don't pull the featured character and exit the banner before pity, it carries over.
If i pulled on gloria banner when my guaranteed 100 SSR counter hits, would it give me a 50% chance to get gloria?
Yes
Just don't anger the gatcha gods :). I've seen many a people frustrated over a missed rate up pull and then not have enough to pity and be disappointed.
@@16BitBear lolx can relate, good luck to our pulls later!
Do pity carry over when the banner has a rerun?
If you didn't pull the featured character then it carries over to the next debut. Once you pull the featured character on a debut it resets.
@@16BitBear so if I pull on the Col/Beryl banner now and I dont get any of them for example i reach 140/180 on the pity, then when their banned comes back I will be closer to the pity?
Why did they had to make it so complicated… it’s so hard to keep track of your pity
Yeah I've seen tons of confusion on reddit and Discord. Hopefully the visual helped a bit in clearing it up though.
That point so you spend money
100 pull for 50 / 50
How much does a single ten pull cost in real world dollars, though? The last gacha I played (Octopath) literally was hundreds of dollars to hit a single pity, but had new banners every single week...
We have estimates, but won't know for sure until it launches later today. I do have plans to make a video (likely this weekend) of what I think is worth spending money on in shop and I'll do the math on dollar to pull so we see the value.
The double banner should only be considered if you have the second banner character. The game has a system to guarantee you getting the character you don’t own.
It only counts that you pulled the character in that banner. So if I was currently pulling on Edda's banner and got Garcia, the double banner with Garcia on it right now would not count that when hitting pity.
180 pity is very stingy for a gacha, especially considering the current pull income. Counting only repeatable stuff and not first-time clear things and achivements, you get like what, 1 pull roughly every 3 days ish and barely over 1 pull from weekly Tower? Good luck saving up all the way to 180 with this, lmao.
Agreed, it’s really hard to save for a pity.
@@16BitBear I'm just kinda hoping that meta won't be necessary for endgame content, in all the good gachas (such as AK) meta characters most of the time are more of a suggestion rather than an obligation, and people still can clear content with their 5 star, 4 star units.
And the more strategic nature of SoC's gameplay gives me more hope in that regard because clearing stages doesn't just come down to pure stat checks and dps races.
On your first example where you pull 20 on single 30 on double then 50 on single, then ssr "might not be gloria". Then you pull another 100 on single which puts you 170/180 and the ssr is still "might not be gloria" ? So you are saying 180 is hard pity to get rate up, therefore any ssr before 180 you can lose 50/50 how ever many ssr you get? So i can get 4 ssr before 180 and it wont be gloria?
Also what happens at 180 on your first example. Do you even get ssr at 180 since it does not reset?
Every legendary pull before the 180 could be someone else. There's the rate up which helps, but it's not guaranteed until that final hard pity pull. At 180 you will get the featured character on the single banner, or on the double banner you get one of the two characters. In every case, when you pull an SSR the global 100 counter resets.
Now hopefully luck is not as bad as to push you to the 180, but it's what I like to plan for if I really want the character.
@@16BitBear dang thats a weird pity system. Not the ones im used to.
60 hope of luxite from daily x 30 (1month) = 1800 hope of luxite
1 Secret fate cost 150 hope of luxite x 10 =1500 luxite
180 secret fate = 27,000 hope of luxite
27,000 hope of luxite ÷ 1800 hope of luxite (per month) = 15months
1 year and 3 months worth of grinding for a single guarantee from just doing dailies
Even with events and such, unless they do something aggressive, what I hear is every few months is average pace to a pity. Certainly not enough to target heavily by any stretch of the imagination. I wonder if their desire is more to have you go for the 100 pity and hope you get the character from that. The monthly income is not good from what I can tell. I'm not sure what the right answer is on how frequently it should give a pity, but with today's fast moving mindsets I feel like at most 1 every 1.5 months would be possibly too slow. They should address it.
@@16BitBear well the whales have to pay 416 usd just for a guaranteed rate up
While hsr guaranteed only cost 356 usd.
SoC only advantage here is that we can max limit break each character for free from grinding them, i heard about 4~6 months worth of grinding?
I guess the only hope we have is how much good event rewards are gonna be
Sad game is dead on arive
Oh I am having a blast with it. Even if you don't want to do the gatcha side of it there is a full single player experience you open right after the tutorial stages. I played quite a bit of that in the demo and genuinely it. You should give that a shot :)
@@16BitBear I agree. I played it for 2-3 hours and i love it!
180 is too much... 100 is too much as well. It should copy hoyoverse but making it easier because they dominate...
On the plus side we do have the great story mode here though, with tons of replay-ability and they are adding to it.