Such a polarizing case! Where do you currently stand? Everyone is welcome to how they feel, but please be mindful of judging a survivor for how they do or don't respond or relate to this case. As a fellow survivor, I know full well that trauma effects us in all different ways, and someone else's story might resonate with us, or repel us. That's ok. People have very different sides and "teams" they're on in this case. The truth is, there are many many blurred lines in this case. I have been meticulously dissecting thousands of pages of court documents and evidence in this trial and the UK trial and there are alarming inconsistencies I've found on both sides. I still have yet to state my final opinion, as I'm waiting to hear all the evidence presented, as I feel a responsibility to do that as someone researching this. I will do my best to be as thorough as I can, with the knowledge that at the end of the day, none of us will really know EXACTLY what happened, simply because none of us were there. I will not "shame" a person or a survivor if they have a different opinion than mine, because we all process trauma and relate to this story differently. What I care about most is keeping the door open for conversation around survivors, that male survivors exist, and that there are complexities to trauma that extend far beyond this case. I hope we can be open to each other's opinions, and allow for space, reflection, opinions to change, and openness to discuss these nuances. I love you all more than I can say! Please show respect to Amber and Johnny in public discourse, as at the end of the day, even with evidence presented in trial swaying opinion... none of us were present. It's ok to identify with one or the other as they may remind you of your own experiences as survivors (same for me), and everyone is allowed to have an opinion and should be allowed to express it! Let's try to keep it to the trial, and not engage in any name calling Also huge thank you to today’ sponsor! Go to expressvpn.com/swoop and find out how you can get 3 months of ExpressVPN free!
Ever since I heard the hitting audio that came out awhile ago, I've been pretty biased towards Johnny Depp. This whole case just makes me sick and I just hope justice prevails, regardless of my opinion.
They're both victims and were both abusive to each other. She reminds me of my experience during that same time actually with someone addicted to ice and alcohol. It brings out the worst of you. I wasn't physically abusive but when I drank the hurt by my ex would come out and I'd say nasty things. I no longer drink, but I can see why she did as you need to cope. Alcohol is poison and one of the worst substances around for many. Anyway, I copped it and would do my best to calm the irrational rage too. You get desperate, like her threatening self harm etc to make him care. I guess you need to experience it to understand (I'm glad not many seem to as it's pure hell, in between the addictive love.). It's easy to judge and we all definitely do, but for me personally, it's all too familiar and understandable on both sides. Two hurt, traumatised individuals getting together and throwing substances in the mix will never work until personal healing and sobriety.
Good to see so many haven't had such a toxic relationship. Brings out the worst of you and if you're both "broken" people you don't react in healthy ways. Speaking from experience and now hearing some of her testimony it really makes sense. The way he speaks about her in text, laughing it off as poetic. He spoke horribly of his ex, mother of his kids too. That's not nothing.... Both of them abused each other and it's incredible that everyone thinks she's such a horrible liar when they're both right in how they perceive their experiences. Certainly shows how much awareness the world needs on how abuse changes people and how they behave. Condemn her yet he's okay to comment on women's bodies and ridicule them in private. It cuts deep.
Honestly, I tend to believe Johnny. I've heard the recordings. Plus, the court ordered Heard's team to hand over the devices that originally took Heard's photo evidence of injuries from alleged abuse and she did not. The meta data that would prove whether pics were altered or not is on those raw images. Evidence leans towards Johnny and testimony, for me, does as well.
As a female who left a10 year abusive relationship 2 years ago with a man she sounds so much like my ex he couldn't stand if I try to take a break from the fights he had to be with me 27/7
I watched amber testify today and I noticed one really striking difference. When Johnny is explaining how she hurt him, he is acting out what it was like for him to get hit or for him to move his head away from a bottle that she’s thrown. When amber acts out her story she is physically acting out the acts of aggression. She says”he hit me” and she mimes throwing a punch. She says “ he threw the bottle” and she mimes throwing the bottle. It just isn’t congruent.
The thing that got me the most during his testimony is that Amber watched him the whole time, and yet now that she's on the stand currently, he cannot even look at her. Being unable to look at one's abuser is a common trauma response, one I personally have, along with the laughing mechanism.
Also, when dealing with a domineering, oppressive, exploitive control freak, one can reclaim their personal control and bodily autonomy from their oppressive abusive controller by not looking at them at all. It’s the beginning of regaining one’s own control as well as letting it be known to the abuser that they no longer have control and will not be reclaiming it…And it sends her off her rocker, driving her to do anything she can to reassert control by compelling him to look at her. So, she will make the lies bigger and the statements more bold and be more brazen with her poorly written storytelling in an effort to entice him to look at her even if it’s in anger and disgust. Him not looking at her is making her insane and it may be the best tactic he and his legal team can employ during this revealing of the truth of it all.
There’s more evidence that he is abusive, you all just make excuse after excuse because you have it in your mind he is a victim. They’re are text messages of him admitting to kicking and head butting her. We just gonna keep making excuses because he drank and took drugs and acts like a big victim? He’s abused a number of people in the past too and you still think he isn’t capable of this? The guy admitted to cutting his finger in a text and re tracked it. He also messaged a friend to talk a shit and there’s no evidence she did this. According to Depps fans, “evidence is now important” there’s evidence he’s an abuser. He’s called various women including his own ex wife and mum to his kids, “sluts, whores and cum guzzlers” the guy lost work due to his own behaviour. Amber didn’t initially go to the papers, the Sun newspaper found out he abused her after Depp told amber to sign a non disclosure agreement after the divorce to stop her talking about the marriage. He went to the papers and said he didn’t hit and she then went and said he did. This isn’t her fault. You’re all denial, how anyone can believe this narcissism woman abuser is beyond me
someone pointed out “johnny depps statements seem so rehearsed, they’re exactly the same every time.” well, when you tell the truth, your story won’t change.
It's actually usually the other way around. When a story is made up, you tell it the same way every single time, while if it's real you're more likely to remember new details or forget others as you say it again and again so it will change slightly. In this case though it's clear that JD's stories are always consistent while AH's stories are not just told differently, they are inconsistent.
@@spookysomeone this! I feel like he had to tell these stories so many times that it feels like he's "memorized" them again and that might make them sound rehearsed. I have experienced that in the past
@@d.on.in.a No, police say they know people are lying because ppl keep adding random details to their story. I’ve been a former reporter and generally ppl who tell the truth keep it simple. Every now and then they’ll call later with something they forgot but not usually. I am not as familiar with someone telling the story over and over. I’d ask different questions differently to see if the details are the same. But not over and over and over.
I'm honestly curious about Ambers old relationships. I mean such a level of abuse and abusive behavior doesn't pop into existence over night. Why didn't her previous partners ever speak out?? Wouldn't be surprised if any of them finally gathers the courage to do that, once she's completely obliterated legally.
Her statement saying “I didn’t punch you, I was just hitting you.” Reminds me of my abuser throwing books at me saying after “I didn’t throw books AT you, I threw them in your direction. I’m not the monster you’re trying to make me out to be.” I had to move so one of the books didn’t hit me…
Same....when my abuser knocked my infant out of arms he said "I wasnt trying to hit him, I was hitting you." I get so upset just thinking about it but we are still here. Im glad you are as well.
my abuser did the same thing "I didn't hit you, I was slapping your back". I'm sorry for everyone in this thread that has been through that and I'm honestly sorry that JD had that experience, it really makes you completely question yourself. This person you love who claims to love you would never really hurt you, right, so it must be true that you're wrong?
As an ED nurse I can assure you someone going through withdrawal gets meds whenever they have symptoms- doesn’t matter the interval they receive them lol. Essentially you’re preventing them from going into a seizure
Medically detoxing someone should not be left to a spouse in the slightest, it's an extremely delicate process that requires proper knowledge and medication she should never been allowed to gain control of the situation
Thank you for chiming in on this! I was wondering with detox if there was a timing issue like most meds have. Holy crap, that makes it so much worse. I can't imagine.
Probably is his baseline. I never heard about his abuse as a child whether or not you believe Amber was abusive or not, his sister and him have recounted and confirmed that the mother was abusive. In that environment you grow to be very careful of your words if you don't want the abuser to attack you. Although judging from his testimony it could happen randomly without cause and I still believe they watched their words to not cause extra abuse.
@@kyoxtohru112Yes, even when it happens randomly, you watch your words to not trigger the abuser, because anything can set them off. I speak from experience (emotional/verbal abuse, not physical thankfully)
My father also did this, and I do this as well. It's why I prefer written communication because people tend to talk over me, whereas when im typing I have all the time in the world to choose my words. Not as a compensation for abuse, just a personality trait
Friendly reminder that victims are not always perfect people. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY ARE NOT VICTIMS. We shouldn't expect people in awful situations to be saints, abuse can break your spirit.
That applies for romantic partners, family, someone with power over you, etc. You deserve respect, dignity and safety, you don't need to be perfect for that.
@@Vgs183 I don’t see anything in this comment string implying anyone is talking about either of them exclusively. Or even them specifically at all and not just victims in general.
As someone that has self harmed for years, him describing the shower to burn himself to cope with withdrawals was heartbreaking. I was very much on the fence when this was coming out originally but holy crap, I hope he finds peace.
I agree. I have nothing but respect for him coming forward as someone dealing with addiction. More so for saying enough, I’m taking my life back. I think it will help a lot of people.
@@lalabrouhaha you know why people invalidate male victims? Toxic masculinity this is the tone men have set for themselves so maybe grown ass men should grow up unlearn harmful behaviours and go to ducking therapy. That man has access to literally ever help resource he could ever need. I don’t feel bad for him. Also I struggled with alcoholism for 10 years, I went from highly functioning to not functioning at all, yes I understand addiction is a disease but at some point it becomes a choice between life and early death and the only one who can make the decision is you. It’s not easy but it’s necessary.
@@Vgs183 wow, the complete lack of empathy towards another person is sad. Even if toxic masculinity is a factor, shaming them even more because of it is just another form of victim blaming. It reinforces the notion that they need to just suck it up or deal with it. Showing them through empathy and belief is much more successful in changing old outdated mindsets. Congrats on overcoming addiction, but that doesn't invalidate other people's struggles. It's not a competition.
The reason why I believe Johnny whole heartedly is because he never once isolated her from her own support group, but rather allowed them to live rent free in his own home. Abusers never do things like this. Amber also never mentioned that he did not allow her to call her parents or see her sister, she never mentioned anything about Johnny stopping her from contacting anyone or her own support group.
They do if those people also have a history of abusing you, but that is not what happened in this case. But, just the presence of someone having family or friends with them doesn't mean they aren't being abused. Again, doesn't appear to have happened here, but they easily could have been manipulated especially since they were living for free.
I love how the world can't fathom a man being physically abused by a woman and would rather pretend that "mutual abuse" is a thing than dealing with the reality that a man can be a woman abuser's true victim. EDIT: turns out bidirectional abuse is a thing, but you have to be veeery careful with such terms to avoid victim blaming, since many victims will at some point use tactics considered abusive to try to cope with their situation. If there is a significant difference in intensity and frequency, it's not mutual abuse.
This isn't a normal case and they were both drug addicts so sorry if I don't believe that the drug addled man and the drug addled woman weren't toxic to each other. Or that someone who married someone 20 years their junior, or 20 years their senior wasn't toxic to each other.
@@nocause5395 oh toxicity can absolutely go both ways, but abuse is a power struggle it's never both ways, or at least not in a way that can be considered "mutual"
@@nocause5395 I agree that when you introduce drugs / addiction , into a relationship (or it was already present) it gets so messy its ridiculous and unless both ppl choose recovery (in whatever healthy form..doesn't need to be AA/NA) it will be unbalanced. It will ruin the most beautiful relationships. I would never use/ drink in front of my husband if my he was detoxing .it depends on how they feel on a long term basis how triggering it is, alcohol is everywhere- even grocery stores..so it's a little different than opiates or other stuff. Amber not stopping her drinking, even just for a short time, shows she didnt care too much about his recovery..besides withholding necessary meds. She had all the power..and seems like she enjoyed him being miserable, so she, and only she, could give him the meds to give him relief. I do get what you're saying with drugs and age gaps. There are a lot of things we wont know. But most ppl in relationships with significant age gaps, the older one is usually saying the young one "doesn't understand " or doesn't "get it" because they are too young/ naive, etc..and the young one will talk shit about the older one, calling them names, not wanting to be seen with them, (this is different bc they are in the public eye)
I'm a recovering addict, and him talking about her refusing to give him his meds literally makes my blood boil. The kind of evil that takes, to look at someone withdrawaling, and say no to giving him his medication to get through it. I just can't.
Right dude? I’m also a recovering addict. My husband stuck by my side thru all of my self destruction and thru my recovery. This man was almost obnoxious about me taking my meds on time, getting enough sleep, drinking enough water, eatin enough healthy food, getting me to exercise and get out of bed when i was past the worst of my detox.. he quit smoking weed for me, when i told him he didnt have to since A. I was addicted to opiates not weed B. I don’t think weed is a drug per say and C. My issues are not his issues and he shouldn’t have to give anything else up just because im not a responsible person as long as he doesn’t do drugs in front of me, then we were all good. But that was not even a negotiation for him. He did whatever he needed to to help me work thru my shit and never once did he EVER withhold my meds, put drugs or alcohol in front of me, take me to places where id be tempted, push me to the point where i relapsed, or did anything others than support me and my sobriety. I know that i am VERY blessed to have a person in my life who would do this for me. I am so grateful for that. But like, then again i feel like if youre married to someone with an addiction you should be supportive of them or not be with them or like.. at the very fucken least dont do drugs or drink in front of them.. and dont take away their medications when theyre trying to get better. SO FUCKING SIMPLE.. again those are bare minimum expectations. My mother is an amber, she was my enabler.. my mother TO THIS DAY still puts drugs in my hand and tries to get me to relapse.. thats why i do not see her unless I absolutely have to. But she only does this because shes very jealous that i was able to get clean, she doesn’t like that she has lost her drug buddy, she is ashamed of her own drug use & being around me who is sober makes her feel even worse about it.. and just overall she is jsut a miserable person who wants everyone else to be miserable with her. But thats exactly what Amber was doing. She didnt want Johnny to g eat clean, she didnt wanna lose her party buddy, she didnt wanna see him better himself because she knew that even at her best she was not as good of a person as him, she did not have as much to offer & everything she did have to offer was surface value at best. So of course she wanted to sabotage his recovery. Miserable people want everyone to be miserable with them so that they dont have to feel bad about being a miserable person. Sorry for the long comment. I saw your comment and nobody else was talking about this from an addicts perspective so i really wanted to connect my own experiences to your comment and Johnnys dealings with amber and hopefully give people who aren’t addicts or dont know any addicts a different point of view on this topic since i think its very important to point out that Amber did not want Johnny to get better. Which is a WHOLE OTHER element to this cycle of abuse that nobody has really talked about yet. That in itself is abuse. On top of the physical abuse. The emotional abuse. The mental abuse. Etc.
@@KreatureKennedy Thank you! And you are truly loved. I personally had a problem w/ her with holding medication from JD and her continuing to drink and use drugs in front of him. No wonder he had to find a way with out enraging her and getting into ...Another fight w/her and getting/asking her to leave and let him do this detox with out her. ( Because she was NOT helping him!) Just causing JD more pain and hindering his process in trying to get clean. The control amber eased in so sneakily- boots & drink... Drink! Amber had her own daemons and past history with drugs & alcohol. Lucky. when your under 18 those records are sealed but do not disappear. Right amber? But the DV records for amber did not vanish... Bummer Amber. So she has a court history. And Van Rae knew like I knew if charges were pressed there would be HELL to pay... Later. Probably was anyway because NOTHING is ever ambers fault. But before I went off on my own angry... Because this makes me So Angry rant. I just wanted to Thank You again for your input and insightful comment. I hope your comment bring light to AH supporters.
I think you're right about Depp's sort of chuckling/laughter. I have C-PTSD and if I'm ever in a situation where I have to recall my trauma (mostly therapy honestly or sometimes when I'm starting a relationship to give some background on the nuances of my behavior) - I do it too. It's hard to explain why - it's like a nervous/uncomfortable tic. Sometimes I also think it's like an unconscious way of trying to comfort the other person (see! I chuckled! Really it's okay! I'm fine!) because it makes me uncomfortable when people feel pity for me. If I don't laugh then I have to acknowledge how unfunny and horrible everything that happened to me was and even as I'm writing this comment like the discomfort I feel is palpable.
I agree, I think it’s also a way to dismiss something a person knows will be viewed as abnormal. “I know, crazy, right?” To downplay the seriousness. Or even to avoid confrontation because the abuser will become aggressive if you call them out on their previous actions. The part where she’s yelling at him that she only hit him and is wasn’t a punch is a tactic I’m familiar with.
I find it extremely concerning that she's weaponizing his substance use against him on the one hand, while on the other she allegedly sabatoged his detox.
It’s like she kept poking at him wanting him to lash out.. when someone is detoxing people say it feels like they are someone else cuz they’re feeling crazy & trying to get a grip on reality. So sabotaging that definitely makes me raise my eye brows.
I've dealt with a few people who went through q substance abuse issue while also trying to detox. I did not want to be their boss cuz they snapped randomly at a drop of a hat. She's an evil person.
@@nikkydalby7126 that's literally what their marriage counselor said she did. She'd rather fight with him than have him leave. He'd try to deescalate stuff and shed KEEP POKING
AH claim she wanted to help and this was to make their relationship Better. If Johnny loved her he would get clean, while she was NOT and and did nothing to support him in this endevar. She just hindered him while making it even more painful for him. I boggles my mind that she insisted she be by Johnny's side to sabotage him, hurt him and cause him even MORE pain. So evil... She was probably smiling/smirking as she replied " It's not time."I'm doing this for you Johnny. But it was all about HER. So incredibly sad. Johnny had to bribe amber with money, trip & friends to gain himself time to detox. This is not love or a caring / concerned spouse/girlfriend, whatever she was at this time. It also concerns me the matter about being in Johnny's will ( and that special loving gesture of the engraved large knife as a Wedding present amber presented to him at the Wedding. NOT the gift of an abused woman. IMO Johnny's so lucky to be alive. I hope Johnny's security team stays on alert for a number of YEARS after this court case is over. Elon and possibly James Franco better watch out too, both could of helped Johnny but haven't so far. I truly believe that the both of them will deeply regret this decision.
I share the same laughing coping mechanism. It really unnerves people when I'm relating my trauma and I laugh, but I laugh because it sounds fake, it sounds so unbelievable and my brain wants to snap in half and the only thing I can do with that energy is scream, or laugh, to let it out.
I do it as well. I think part of the reason I do it is actually to put the person listening to me at least. Like yeah it’s heavy but haha see it’s okay
Yes. My mom laughs too. But I believe that the laugh always sounds weird. There’s a heaviness in it. And probably if you ask anyone close to you they will tell you the same. That’s how it feels when he laughs. Is just such a heavy reflexive laugh. Like his body just did it because what else could it do?
He calls her Miss Heard. She calls him Johnny, all the time. For some reason that bothers me terribly, I feel like she wants to get under his skin, still trying to scare him. It's so hard to watch her take the stand. 😔
Watching his testimony was hard, you could just see him literally recalling it and reliving it. Watching hers made me think "how does she keep getting acting jobs, because she's _bad_ at it"
@Autumn there's a bit when she started testifying where she looked 'sad' until the other lawyer objected, and she immediately stopped looking sad, until she was able to start talking again and boom, sad-face again. It was unnerving
Same. I have been trying so hard give her the same benefit of the doubt I gave Johnny and not assume either are acting immediately. But where Johnny, for all that he dragged on to the point of tears, came off as believable and I empathized with him a lot. Amber… not so much.
THANK YOU in regards to “mutual abuse” I don’t trust anyone that can’t see the difference between a victim having a breakdown because of abuse, lashing out, and being an abuser.
It’s referred to as “Reactive Abuse” and it very much needs to be highlighted more. No one can be expected to just lay down and take it from their abuser.
I work in DV and we don’t use the term mutual abuse and I personally don’t like it. When there’s physicality on both sides for example, we identify the primary aggressor. And we don’t count self-defense as DV.
I wince every time I hear people describe their relationship as mutually abusive because he said some shitty things about her (not to her) to his friends or lashed out at some cabinets. I still haven't seen any concrete evidence of him hitting her or berating her like she's done. As if every victim of abusive is supposed completely passive and composed at all times or that makes them no longer a victim. If JD was the female in this situation, I don't think people would be pointing to his few instances of bad behavior as being equal to the totality of things she's done to him.
Talking shit to friends about your abusive wife at home is pretty normal lmao not abusive he never said those things to her it's a normal dark humor reaction to friends about a really bad situation at home . Not mutual abuse.
This trial was so upsetting to watch, me and my father are emotional abuse victims. I was tormented by my mother for years, constantly told I wasn't good enough, and at one point the abuse was physical as well. However, from some things that my dad has mentioned... I had it bad, but he had it way worse. My mother forbid him to see me for 7 months, knowing damn well that he had a tumor and that he was going to die, he sent money every time that he could, he even drove 2 hours just to see me for 10 minutes at recess. She hit him multiple times at some point during their relationship. Forbid him to have any female friends even though they were divorced, she treated him as if he was his property. It's disgusting how men can abuse a woman and immediately be sent to jail, but woman don't face the same consecuences. Absolutely horrendous, and my heart goes out to any abuse victims.
Men are RARELY held legally accountable for their abuse. Have you ever seen the stats?? The small percentage of female victims who get justice is depressing, and if women barely get justice, imagine how much less common it is for men to get justice. The whole system is screwed up beyond repair. That’s what happens when you have a system that was designed by men for men. We need a complete overhaul. Abuse has no gender, even if women are significantly more likely to be the victims. It doesn’t cancel out the men and others who are also abused. It’s weird that we as a society have this belief that women can’t abuse men, but we’re fine with acknowledging the fact that women often abuse their children. Clearly women can be abusive, and the whole idea that they can’t is really a disservice to women and justice
I don’t care about Hollywood gossip so I don’t even know how I got into watching this trial. Pretty sure I was looking for content to listen to while working and all I could find was this trial. Anyway, I got hooked and then addicted IMMEDIATELY. But it wasn’t until AH took the stand that I got TRIGGERED. I am a woman who was abused in a very similar way by a woman who also has BPD and lemme tel you, the trauma came back full force. I was not prepared for that. I am sorry you also got triggered and I’m certain a LOT of other people too. I try to look for the good and focus on that and so I’m grateful this trial was aired on tv and a LOT of people were properly educated about what DV is and that a mentally ill woman can cause just as much damage as a psychotic male partner. Furthermore she abused him psychologically too which was also done to me- where these women abuse their victim then pretend to be the victim of that person which pretty much makes the real victim have a mental breakdown. It took me years to get over it. Sending you my compassion. 💗
@@kateashby3066 maybe DON'T generalize on everyone with bpd. I'm sorry for what you went through. But saying things about how mentally ill women are dangerous, and comparing that to a male psychopath make you sound insanely ignorant. Maybe learn a little about it first. People with bpd are more likely to hurt themselves than other and spreading this stigma isn't helping anyone. In your experience maybe those things were factors but it's completely irresponsible to put labels on a large margin of people.
@@wayln2591 True. If the odds are extremely low for female victims, they're even lower for male victims. Regardless, i send love to anyone that has been a victim of any kind of abuse.
in the phone call he had with Heard he said something along the lines of "That's what you're not seeing, Amber. This isn't just about me. How do you think my kids feel when their classmates call the kid of an abuser?" I think it's perfectly reasonable for him to mention his kids in court.
As someone who’s been subjected to severe abuse and attempted murder by an ex boyfriend, hearing his testimony absolutely tore me up inside. The part where he was withdrawing and had to *beg* for his medication cut like a knife because I *know* that feeling, I know that embarrassment and absolute self loathing of being in such a place where you have to beg someone you love for medication to help with getting through an addiction and detoxing. When all of this came out I believed Amber, I have always and will always believe women when they come forward as victims of abuse - but I genuinely believe that Johnny is the victim here and Amber is a vile person.
This trial didn't change your mind on believing women who come out with stories of abuse/SA? Do you take the statements at face value and assume no lies, or do you take it with a grain of salt/assume true but wait for verification (or maybe something else)?
@@lunaredelvour2972change our minds? Sadly, too many people never believe victims-who are overwhelmingly female-already. It made me really nauseous that she came out claiming to “Fight for Women” as she made it worse for those victims. Look, he is no prize as a husband, but she is a vile POS.
As a woman you gotta be the perfect victim, you can't fight back no matter how much you're being harmed or stupid fucks will just blame you because they don't recognize they're sexist.
When Johnny is listening to the recording I noticed his shoulders were slouched, he was trying to be as little or unseen as possible. This is just heartbreaking, she uses how she feels at that moment to make sure he knows he did this to her. I believe him 100%
AH's testimony today was... something. She really presented herself as an almost perfect victim and everything was his fault, his wrongdoing, he started it, he was the issue, etc. The way she presented is COMPLETELY at odds with former witness testimony and audio recordings of her. It was like two different Ambers. The biggest red flag to me was her own attorney asking if she documented anything after the alleged bar incident, IYKYK, and she said no. No?? Something like that happens and you're fine the next day (by other witness account) and don't document it or report it? She has lost all credibility to me for so many reasons, all by evidence presented in this case. Meanwhile Johnny went to the hospital to deal with his severed finger. This is astonishing. Truly.
I know. She has no awareness of the responsibility she holds in the dysfunction of this relationship. JD sure as shit said and did some vile things, but we heard audio of AH being awful too. She knows we know, but she's still not incorporating any admission of her own toxic behaviour. Even when my partner and I fight (not physical, just usual couples' disagreements) I can look back and see what I said or did that was hurtful to my partner. AH has absolutely zero self awareness and zero sense of accountability. Disingenuous.
I was so angry. I felt insulted by her audacity. And the pictures. My god. The easier example was Rihanna, she was hit 3 times and looked really bad and swollen, AH had such a horrible experience and she’s not a walking bruise? How?
I’ve had to detox before. I was crying uncontrollably and hyperventilating while calling my doctor on a Saturday. My doctor called me back within 5 minutes but that felt like forever… Called me on his car phone talking me through it. Just thinking about what he went through begging for the meds is one of the worst things I could ever think of! It’s disgusting.
I literally held my breath when he was describing it because it took me back to my same experience.. I had meds and doctors at my disposal. I couldn't imagine being denied while in that state ESP by someone who "loves me".
If unsupervised and off of medical attention, someone who is having a withdrawal can die from it and that's not mentioning how painful and terrifying it is without risk of death either. :/
I have detoxed off of opiates twice, it is extremely painful. The fact that she wouldn't give him his comfort meds is absolutely sickening, you really need somebody with you who is going to take very good care of you and keep you comfortable.
It's wild how all he wanted to do was leave. And there's MORE then enough recordings showing how manipulative she was so he wouldn't leave. Just so she could keep verbally and mentally ab*sing him. I seriously feel so bad for him. He may not be perfect but he certainly doesn't deserve this.
The big difference between their testimonies, so far, is that Johnny seems to be recalling everything, Amber seems like she's creating it and reciting something rehearsed.
There’s proof of her literally just quoting stuff from movies etc. and it’s just.. ew. She’s not even a monster, she’s something worse. And I have no idea how she got acting jobs with how insanely bad her acting is during this. If Johnny doesn’t win then there’s something very very wrong.
@@Cairovalerius I saw that. That's so scary... Gone Girl level stuff... You can tell Johnny's attorney is looking forward to tearing her testimony apart. He's literally getting excited with each lie, and it's hilarious to watch. They can bring up her ex's, now that she brought up Kate Moss. She deserve prison.
@@shae9364 agreed! I look forward to when it’s their turn. She really does, for several different reasons. Let’s hope jury and judge feel the same, even if the judge feels a bit.. odd.
The biggest difference I've noticed is that Johnny seems to speak from a place of how he felt & it often seems like he's even reliving the emotions as he relates his experiences, whereas Amber appears to be telling a story/setting a scene & doesn't seem to be recalling so much as reciting; on the occasions where she's telling us some truly horrific things, her face gets very ugly, like someone about to break down into tears, but her face never quite makes it - no tears, no swelling, no redness. The moment she stops speaking, you'd have no idea she was just talking about an extremely frightening experience where she allegedly was concerned for life & limb. It's...quite a contrast.
I ugly cried through most of this doc. Just watching someone I’ve adored and idolized since I was a kid relive his trauma completely destroyed me. When he was asked why he didn’t leave and answered, “because my dad didn’t leave,” I totally lost it. Yes he made mistakes in all this as well, but he is still the main victim in this case and it kills me to know that my idol has gone through, and still is going through, his own personal hell.
What bothers me the most is that people still want to say "oh it was just a toxic relationship on both ends" like no, this man was abused mentally, emotionally and physically.
I hope his dad is helping him through these tough days. Luckily, I think his 12 years of terror should end with this verdict and big $ award. Consequences!
From one survivor to another, thank you for pointing out that Johnny talking about burning Amber's corpse was perhaps a trauma response. I remember how angry I was with my abuser. I had dark revenge fantasies at times. It is a normal thing to think about taking your power back from someone that has stripped you of your dignity and your sense of safety in the world. Unless you've been reduced to tatters you really can't understand that desire to put yourself back together again, and I think that revenge fantasies are a normal part of the healing process. It is not our thoughts that define us, it is our actions.
As someone who has gone through a painful detox, the story of her withholding drugs from him during that process makes me want to scream. The amount of fear he must’ve felt in that moment is unimaginable.
Not to mention the selfishness of making it about her and complaining that he was agitated. I can’t wrap my mind around arguing with someone detoxing. Someone in acute withdrawal is in extreme discomfort and distress - they are incapable of entertaining you or being there for you. He’s crawling out of his own skin and trying to survive each minute and she has the nerve to come there with expectations for his behavior?! Either be there 100% in support or leave. That part infuriated me too.
Yes that made me so disgusted with her. I want to puke hearing that. I cannot imagine how she could treat another human like that let alone her husband that she says she loves so much. And how helpless and alone he must have felt then. Absolutely disgusting.
I feel like that was THEE hardest thing hes ever had to do in his life, and SHE is the hardestttttssss thing ever. Imagine combining the 2 at once! She is an evil and vile woman for doing that to him during such a painful and vulnerable time. She loved and enjoyed every single second of torturing him too. Withdrawals and detox from opiates to me, is harder then giving birth. I feel for every single person who’s ever gotten addicted to that crap.
When I was watching her testimony today when she described receiving a severe beating where she received 2 black eyes, thought she had a broken nose, busted swollen lip, bruised forehead, and a huge clump of hair pulled out that was so severe her makeup artist had difficulties covering it the next day, I couldn't believe the pictures they entered into evidence as proof was just a minor lip injury and some light discoloration around one eye as well as another photo of what looked like a lock of hair cut off. Then I remember her former nurse's testimony including her notes that included that besides the minor lip injury which was still bleeding a fee days later she didn't notice any injuries and told her to follow up with her doctor about it ....which she didn't .
This right here proves it for me. I mean, come on. If he actually did what she said he did as many times as she said he did it, there would be so many more and worse pictures and MEDICAL RECORDS - she said he pretty much beat her half to death and seriously injured her in multiple ways on multiple occasions! NO PROOF! INSANITY!
I actually found an interesting twitter thread that was able to go through her timeline of "injuries" and compare the pictures to her changing face due to minor cosmetic procedures, as well as a rhinoplasty. It also compared her "injuries" to pictures of other people post botox, rhinoplasty, fillers etc. It is... uncanny.
That 'lip injury' looks like a cold sore, mine looked exactly like that after a few days and it took days to heal. I wish I could share pictures here, cause I'm pretty sure a lot of people will see her lip differently. Even when she said 'this is a picture of my lip healing' and it looks like that too. She had discolouration and under eye bags, but no injuries at all. The supposedly 'clump of ripped hair' also looked like cut hair, placed on the floor, since they were similar in size.
It should also be noted it is very easy for a person to minorly split their own lip. I'm a lip and nail biter when my anxiety levels go up; I've biten my lip open more times than I can count in my 26 years of life. People still ask if something happened to me if I have a split on my lip, and embarrassingly I say every time "I did it to myself. I'm a lip biter and I sometimes split my lip on accident, not realizing how hard I'm biting." (Same as I've caused that kind of damage to my nails.) I just wanted it noted for everyone how easy it is for a person to split their own lip, without physical confrontation as the cause of the injury.
My siblings and I have similar "laughing" type manerisims when it come to discussing our childhood trauma. I get the sense that it is a coping mechanism for him
I feel so, so bad for Johnny. He suffered this insane abuse, then was ground into the dirt when Amber successfully turned the tables in 2015/16, and now he has to air out every little dirty detail of his life in front of the entire world.
I feel like this case brings to light that woman abuse men too, and Amber has made it harder for real victims to come out, she has single handily done an incredibly large amount of damage to the me too movement, like she even told Johnny that nobody would believe him because he’s a man, she knew exactly what she was doing, even people in her own circle has claimed to be abused by her, and her own parents are on Johnny’s side, and it absolutely blows my mind that even with all proof coming out against her, people still are on her side, and just looking at his face when listening to those tapes, it’s like he’s having flashbacks, he just looks so sad and broken, like he wants to cry, and he just keeps staring at him with a look of “ you’re gonna pay for this, I’ll make you pay”
What are you guys even talking about at this point, if it only takes 1 woman to discredit a whole movement, then you didnt really care much about that movement in the first place 🙄 people just wanted a woman they can spew their misogynistic hatred at free from consequences. The people who are doing the constant victim blaming and spewing misogynistic hatred at 1 woman while discrediting other women are the ones who are doing damage. And the deranged fan girls stanning a misogynistic man like Johnny... THEY are the ones who are causing damage to other victims...
@@why7189 The reason she specifically damages the Me Too movement and other survivors coming out is because she was appointed to the ACLU as a 'human rights ambassador'. So this is not just 'one woman' ruining a movement, it is 'one of the most prominent women in the movement' being proven to have lied. It reopens the already doubtful circumstances for many to much further scrutiny and question, which true survivors should never have to endure.
It seriously upsets me hearing people say he was just as abusive as she was. One unfortunately effective tactic of an abuser is to get under their victims skin to push them towards retaliation, so they can use those instances to twist peoples view and control the narrative. Watching Johnny speak is absolutely gut twisting, he is showing clear signs of someone who has gone through the trauma of DV. Watching Ambers body language and testimony actually triggers a trauma response, it is way too familiar.
I’m glad that most people seem to be able to see through her. I’m angry that the media keep putting out headlines that anyone who supports Depp is a “crazed fan” It more often than not seems to be survivors of dv and people that know the damage of what a narcissist personality can do. I’m hoping she has to face some kind of accountability for her actions.
Yes. As a survivor, it was VERY clear to me, in my opinion & experience, that she is the abuser. I have nothing but fury towards people who LIE about being a "victim". May Amber get every.last.thing.that.she. deserves. I am terrified for that poor, poor, precious, innocent child stuck with her as a "mother". That is horrific, to me.
I personally think her eating during the deposition was a strategy (likely recommended by her lawyers). Chewing food gave her “legit” excuses for extra time to think of answers/lies to the questions being asked without just overtly pausing for long periods or stumbling over her words & being obvious about needing to really think about the lie she’s gonna say. When people are being honest most of us simply automatically respond with the truth & don’t necessarily need lengthy pauses to recall truthful memories.
Twice she does this. First time she has no problem talking with her mouth full. Second it's a long drawn out process, to buy time to think of next response. Doesn't take an expert to see it.
Actually there is a body language specialist channel called observe that kinda goes over this specific deposition you speak of. She is eating and drinking specifically when she is asked a question that she has to build up a story for or she don't want to answer.
@Tam you’re not the only one - The Behavior Panel, Observe, The Body Language Guy, and Derek Van Sheik have all spoken of this extensively on their channels.
That deposition was a joke... I can't even *IMAGINE* being allowed to eat during a legal procedure... You want to see into her TRUE persona?---- That footage is a GOLDmine... Sneering, disdain, dismissal, minimalism or denial of ANY personal responsibilities --- she's *power MAD* , and makes no bones about it... A foul, vile, and evil creature, at best...
Abuse doesn't bring out the best in a person, and abusers see that, and use it against their victims. Like, "look! He's drinking more and doing more drugs! He's angry and slamming door's! He's out of control!" Conveniently leaving out their actions which have potentially led to these reactions.
"Tell the world, Johnny, tell them, 'Johnny Depp, I, a man, I'm a victim too of domestic violence'. And see how many people believe or side with you" 💙❤️WE BELIEVE YOU JOHNNY!!! ❤️💙
I firmly believe he was the victim and everything he said about her is true, even stuff that I think would be too much like defecating on the bed, maybe her image in his eyes at that point was so bad that he jumped to that conclusion and it really was the dogs but it doesn't matter. I don't believe a thing she said, she was never afraid of him hurting her, she was afraid of him leaving her cause she's so obsessed with control.
I never thought I would have a lot in common with Johnny depp. But my heart is with him. I was an opiate addict in a relationship with a narcissistic abuser. When I got clean the violence got worse. He told me nobody would believe me because I was a “junkie wh-re” After we broke up, he smeared me and told everyone he was the victim. I recently found out he has done this to every single girlfriend in some form. I’m four years clean now and happier than ever. I wish I could give jd the biggest hug. The reason so many dv survivors are on his “side” is we recognise it. We see it. And we stand with victims. No matter the gender. 💜❤️ oh side note, no way in hell would I have bought my abuser a knife! 😂❤️
'And we stand with victims. No matter the gender'. Now THIS, this should be on a t-shirt. This should be the motto of every organization that is meant to support victims of any kind of abuse.
Urgh sobriety sucks. I’m looking forward to the day I fall off this dreadful wagon. I dnt see how ppl do it, but then again I been sober for 2 years but done opioids for 15 years. Anyways congrats on staying sober.
@@johndough5192 I found finding things that give you a high helps. A long walk somewhere pretty, dancing like a maniac, hot baths, transcendal meditation (David lynch has some good talks on it)- sounds hippy but really works to get that noddy feeling. Stay strong ❤️❤️ try to surround yourself with fun sober people, as I know the na crowd can be a bit intense 🥱 ❤️❤️❤️
Swoop, I am a DV survivor also and have followed you for a while now. What I find most telling and honestly would like to run into the courtroom to say is “if you need any more evidence that this man is telling the genuine truth, here it is: An entire hour and a half Swoop documentary and NOT ONCE did we go to Petty University!!!” His last words when he says he has nothing left but his blood and she belittles him by telling him to tell the world about it broke my heart but made me smile a little that he has done exactly that and we believe him! Bet she didn’t see that coming!
I see, so a man can lie he's being abused and he automatically gets brownie points for it. Now you know why domestic violence is getting worse, people like you.
If Johnny's so abusive why is she complaining that he always tries to get away? I would think (though admit have no personal experience) that if my partner was abusive I would be more than happy for him to leave.
@@uhmull I'm referring to Johnny wanting to leave the situation before things escalate, not about him leaving permanently. Johnny also grow up with an abusive childhood. Given all the evidence (or lack of evidence on Amber's part) I suspect the physical abuse came from her, not him.
@@deesmith4800 its like when a parent hits the child. Who does the child want to be comforted by. Usually that same person. If theres mental abuse you become addicted to their validation and you dont even realize it..
@@realaliciacinnamon If the choice is the abusers leaves for a short period of time or they abuse you, wouldn't most abuse victims prefer a temporary break than abuse? That said most of the evidence is that Heard is the physical abuser, not Depp.
Her testimony does not smach up with the recordings. The way she testified is like she was sooooo scared of him, but the recordings says something totally different.
Yet in Amber's teams opening statement they claimed he was isolating her from her family and friends. You know, as he let them free-load in his homes right next toAber and she saw them daily... It's incredible how much she took his story and twisted it around to be her own. I don't even believe she was abused as a child, she took that from him, too and her mom is dead and can't speak up, and her dad is as after the money as Amber is so he won't speak up...
The whole her following him around while he’s trying to escape an argument is so triggering to me. My dad did that to my mum, sister and I to the point that we’d go off and then he’d call us “drama queens”; my husband used to do it when we were teenagers to the point I would physically shove him to get my point across that I didn’t want him to be near me, which would make me feel gross because I physically laid hands on him in anger. There’s nothing worse than just trying to get away and they’re not letting you
According to Amber, he isolated her from all of her friends and family. Seems a weird way to go about that if he let her friends live in his penthouses rent-free and also put her up WITH HER FRIENDS in a bougie hotel.
Plus notice how it was always her friends. With his friends she called them boring old men who always wants to play with their silly little instruments, and she doesn’t like hanging around them (who are all some of the most influential rock musicians of our life time) and always refers to Marilyn Manson as the person he went on a coke binder with. Lmfao however none of her friends could do any wrong. She and her friends are the perfect little angels 👼
It was her friends HE had to hang with, while she dipped out on his friends. It’s HER friends he had to spend time with at some trailer park. It was HER friends he had to come home to after being away filming. It was HER friends and parents who were over during thanks giving and he only had 1 or 2 friends there. Lmfao she is a certified sociopathic lunatic
it makes me really happy that you included the bit about mutual abuse not being a thing. i've seen a lot of people claiming they're both the issue - while yes, he's no saint; he's the victim through and through despite his reactions to her. it's difficult to keep your cool and remain calm when someone is constantly throwing punches (sorry hits - not punches) at you and making you feel like you're crazy. especially while he was trying to get clean. she is disgusting for using him and treating him the way she did and continues to do. my heart goes out to johnny depp and all the other survivors like him and i really hope after this trial he'll be able to move on with his life and continue doing what he loves.
I think the part of her testimony that got me the most is when she was describing a certain situation (can't say on here which) but she started crying and saying she just can't go on. She said it twice and I believe she was expecting someone to say you don't have to go on or expecting someone to sympathize with her and offer her a moment to get her thoughts together, but no one said a word, not one word. She ended up having to say what supposedly happened. I have the greatest amount of sympathy for DV victims, as my own child was one, but something in her story does not ring true and it has nothing to do with me liking Depp or not. It has everything to do with her demeanor and the fact that there are more than a few embellishments in her story.
It's expected in court that you tell the story in its entirety. You don't get a pass. You can pause to collect yourself, but they won't let you off the hook telling the story because you either can't remember or it's too much. Or, in Amber's case, you have to make something up.
I agree, it didn’t feel genuine most of the time, you could tell when she meant some things, and then she’d make all these faces and try and get herself to cry… it was so bizarre. I want to believe victims, but I’m having a hard time with her. To me it’s simple, where are the receipts of all those awful times he harmed her? Was she not seen by any medical professionals EVER??, where are those photos of the things he did? Why not take pics of that , if she claims she took pics to remind him of what happened… it doesn’t make sense…:-/
It was kind of on my radar because Crowder had a show about its importance, but the first I actually saw of the trial (that got me hooked and digging into the rest of it) was about a week later when, by popular demand, he livestreamed part of Amber's direct with commentary. Try this on for size for putting your finger on why she rings not true: the Boston Flight Incident. I didn't hear the question, because they were talking over it, but I saw her initial physical reaction to the question. She started looking up, down, and around in these jerky glances. She wasn't looking at anyone or anything in the room, she was "looking" at various points in her own mind, gathering them and connecting them together. I recognized it, because I do the exact same thing when I'm trying to collect details of a vague memory or when I'm putting something together in a logical or philosophical calculation in my head. Crowder's whole studio erupted in catcalls, but I was thinking, "Wait for it. You haven't heard her answer yet." Then she gave her 1st sentence: "It was a nightmare." 😶... *LIAR* warning bells so loud they drowned out my tinnitus. Either the physical reaction or that particular opening sentence I might have bought, not both together. I have a panicky my-baby-sister-could-have-died-and-it-would-have-been-my-fault memory from 13 years ago I classify as a nightmare. Never mind direct reference to it, just the association of knowing she was supposed to recount a memory and her calling it a "nightmare" (as in, exponentially worse and more traumatic than the "regular" nightmare she alleges about their relationship as a whole) instantly brought that memory, whole, with every detail, ready to be recounted, to the front of my head. I don't need to searching 😒🙄💩 around for it.
Omg Spankie... him describing the situation where Amber withheld the medications is beyond disturbing and my heart literally breaks for him. As someone who has withdrawn from substances in the past and knows firsthand how INCREDIBLY AWFUL the symptoms are, I cannot imagine how horribly helpless he must have felt begging someone who is supposed to love him to help him not feel like he is dying is incomprehensible
I've been there too, there is nothing worse than withdrawal, you literally feel like your dying. The symptoms can make you wish for death. That is the cruelest exertion of control by Amber. It makes a statement of the person she is
The most haunting thing to me is when he talks about drawing on the walls with his blood. It sounds absurd but i understand- at the lowest point in my life i ended up covered in blood from an attempt and i just sat in-front of the mirror and smeared it on my face. You just lose all sense on reality in that moment. I hope he wins and can heal from what happened to him.
Pretty sure this trial is one part if a healing process that already started. His description of Amber's need for conflict, etc has a very strong recitation cadence. The terms and phrases he uses are not what you would expect from a lay person or a lawyer. It *is* what I might expect a therapist to tell a survivor over and over and over to reaffirm that the abuse was not his/her fault. I would be surprised if he has not had therapy during his largely homebound life to which Dr. Curry referred.
The laugh as he talked about his childhood abuse BROKE ME. I have two babies and the thought of throwing an ashtray at them is horrifying. But it’s his laugh that kills me because it’s almost like he has to minimize it to cope with it. I can’t believe any mother could treat their child like that (even though I’m very aware some do). 😔
Having children retraumatized me. Bc you think how could anyone treat me this way when all I want to do is love and keep my babies safe. This is why he’s so protective over his children. You have to be. Besides him being famous.
That laugh and how Swoop explained it hit way too close to home for me, while my mom didn't quite throw ashtrays at me, she did throw things including a half a kilo cheese to my head because I was eating cereals and not bread, and I also can't help but chuckle at the absurdity every time I tell of it, like who the fuck does things like that to their kids. Humor is a good way to be able to cope with parents doing absurd things that no parent should do, it doesn't feel as bad if you just laugh it off.
yeah, when you remember the abuse you either laugh or cry. and some of us prefer to laugh because we're all out of tears. I talk about when my mum threatened to unalive me while dragging me on the kitchen floor by the hair with a smile, but I've been told my eyes are vacant. Like... I'm not really there. if I don't smile, I break, and if I break I disappear... I don't want that to happen, I want to live.
I knew a guy who talked about his own childhood abuse as if he were a stand-up comedian. He would have had a great career in comedy, as he spun it in such a way that we (as teenagers) couldn't help but laugh while saying "That's horrible!" We did not find the abuse funny. There is nothing funny about it. He was just extremely skilled with using humor as a coping mechanism. I guess it's that "If you don't laugh, you'll cry" thing...
As a childhood abuse survivor myself, I relate heavily to the idea that you don't know how to react protectively when you're used to people abusing you. People with unresolved trauma, like an abusive parent, commonly don't develop the coping skills necessary to extract themselves from an abusive situation quickly. When all you're used to is chaos, chaos is normal
What is alarming to me is how in arguments she will go from nearly tears, to verbally accosting him and yelling, to a hushed calm tone, then back to yelling, and crying again. These rapid swings in her tone and countenance tells me all I need. She “cries” for sympathy from Jonny to keep him there. Then verbally abuses him, then tries to calm him when he gets upset, then cries again to keep him from leaving. An abusive emotional rollercoaster just to control him.
All victims and survivors of abuse are sitting thru this case with their jaws clentched. Shes a narcissist and anyone who has been abused by one can see it. Its actually really scary. She genuinely scares me.
@@pearlosibu I felt exactly the same way. It was almostlike MY abuser lost and I won !! VERY happy for Johnny, he did get there, he did tell the truth, and he wad BELIEVED ❤❤❤!!!!!
At this point I have changed how I thought about this case. After hearing Johnny, I fully believe him, now that he has been able to fully tell his experience. Amber's actions and behaviors were so similar to my abusive ex. Even in the timeline of them slowly taking control and escalating abuse. And being a reactive abuser, she would push and push then when he came back to defend himself would point and say he's the abuser, he's the crazy one, which my ex would also do. In the recordings you can hear that she is gaslighting him or she just went off on him and now is recording once he's reacting. Loving the video so far. Not even done it yet lol.
Yeah.. i know a lot of people are looking at this as “gold”, “entertainment” and even “comedy”, but, it was hard for me to listen to Johnny in the audio of AH telling him “I didn’t punch you!! I HIT you!”. He sounded so pitiful, and broken.. and also under the influence. A lot of people are giving him shit for that, but, could they deal with that mess sober? And tbh, if he was the abuser, none of this would be funny. None of it. And as far as the drugs and alcohol? It would largely be excused as her escape from the nightmare that is Johnny. He said some awful things, but she DID some awful things. I’m shocked he didn’t strike her back. I think at the very least, I’d probably say some questionable things to my close friends, and her, if I was in his situation (as I have been and I did do some of those things 🤷🏻♀️). It’s also worth noting she derailed his attempts to get sober… so.. and apparently, she’s no stranger to drugs and alcohol either.
At what point did you decide to believe amber - to have to change your mind I to believing Johnny ???? Bc this stuff has mostly all been public knowledge for years
As a survivor of domestic violence (mental, emotional, financial, physical, and sexual), when I hear Johnny speak about his experience with Amber I feel all the things. The pain, the fear, the sadness...all of the things he says gives me the vibes of "yeah...those are the feelings I have had too." However, when Amber speaks about her experience it feels like the way Hollywood thinks abusive relationships go... I know that they are actors and he has more experience...but his story just matches my domestic violence story more clearly than hers does. I am not saying that I don't believe both sides...it is just a difficult case where 2 actors, who know their craft, are telling their story in a potentially dramatic way...the world is watching them.
@@mobwatch8119 I am legitimately curious about what your comment means. Are you saying that I am wrong for voicing my connection to another person's story? Because one of the joys of the internet is that people can hear a story similar to their own and talk out their own pain/traumas. I was not saying my story is better or worse than anyone else's...I was merely saying that I felt more connected to the way JD tells his story. I am allowed to have that reaction and share that with people. The internet is sometimes a cesspool of problematic opinions but in this case I was sharing my personal feelings as they relate to being a person who experienced DV/IPV. I am just confused what you were trying to say in your comment. 🤷🏼♀️
I have personally been through withdrawals from drug addiction and I cannot imagine his pain she put him through on top of the pain his body is going through!!! This poor man!
However…. The time thing for his medication (depending on what medication he was prescribed to help him manage his withdrawal symptoms) there’s a 24 hour time period or the medication could send you into acute withdrawals
I absolutely cannot wait to hear your take on “mutual abuse” because that’s a topic that is really close to my heart since Justice was denied to me in my own domestic violent relationship due to the fact that I occasionally hit my partner back. He was 23 when I was 16, and the power dynamic was definitely swayed in his favor.
I'm so sorry to hear that that happened to you. While I do believe there is such a thing as mutual abuse (as I grew up in a household where that was happening) I do not believe that getting the courage to strike back occasionally makes you a co-abuser or equal abuser. Everybody is different and some people do try to fight back sometimes or hope that they can stop it by reacting or whatever they might be thinking at the time. That doesn't make you an abuser too. And it's very unfair that you were denied justice for yourself. I'm sorry about that.
There is no such thing as mutual abuse. Abuse is, by definition, an issue of power and control. You cannot both have power and control. One party has the power. One party is the abuser. Responding to being abused does NOT MAKE YOU AN ABUSER! PERIOD. END OF STORY.
Speaking of coping mechanisms for trauma and stuff, I've noticed Johnny has a particular way of speaking at times like he's trying to remove himself from the situation. He doesn't say "I took a scalding shower," he says, "the only thing YOU can do, you take a shower, set it to scalding". He use multiple coping mechanisms to try to separate himself from those instances emotionally. Another thing I noticed he does is he sometimes will use very clinical terminology, such as when he mentioned the poop incident. He used the term 'human fecal matter', which many people have poked fun at already, but it's very telling that he used that terminology in that recounting. Maybe these stick out to me as a detail oriented person and a trauma survivor myself. I myself have used these coping mechanisms many times, so seeing so many parallels with Johnny just sticks out like a sore thumb and hearing the stories about Amber set off alarm bells in my mind really fast. Like when he was talking about trying to escape so he can just breathe after a fight, and she showed up five minutes later screaming. That would have set me off in panic attack mode, I can only imagine how hard it was for Johnny being in the thick of it all. I can only watch these court scenes in short spurts at a time because I just resonate so strongly with Johnny that seeing his thousand yard stares and hearing the pain or emotional detachment when he describes his trauma is way too visceral for me.
Thank you for sharing. Although, personally, that sounded more like explaining to me. I thought it was great and very effective, the way he didn't just assume the jury would understand the struggles of addiction withdrawal, trying to get clean, and the effects of specific drugs. It was very helpfully informative for people who didn't know and was consistent with the experience of people who do. I was prescribed oxy after I had my wisdom teeth out (Thankfully not addicted. I *hated* the first dose, but I managed not to get dry socket, so my pain was manageable enough I'd rather deal with that than the fug.) and I've been around a couple of other people who *were* addicted to opiates, so I could recognize his descriptions. I was also called up for jury for a case involving marijuana. I wasn't selected, but hoped that if I were, some witness on either side would describe it like Depp described opiate use rather than just assume.
It’s so weird listening back on this after hearing Amber’s testimony. There are so many stories she takes and completely swaps. Also the moment of him talking about his finger and how he didn’t feel pain, just the heat.. then she shares the story of the bottle saying she didn’t feel pain, just the pressure. Just interesting.
I grew up in a household incredibly similar to how Johnny is describing his relationship with Amber. My father has always been abusive to not only to us kids, but to my mom doing the EXACT same things Amber did to Johnny. Telling [my mother] she was a bad mother, having to constantly walk on eggshells because my father could explode at any moment. It’s so sad and I’m happy Johnny is out of that relationship. My father and Amber are so similar that it’s genuinely terrifying to me that other people like my father exist in the world.
God bless you. Hope you are in a safe and happy place as I had a similar experience as you as well. I still have trusting issues but luckily I am in a good support system from friends and family I established on my own, and I could rely on my skill for living. Good luck!
@@cocoli6035 thank you. My parents got a divorce and are finally separated form each other and we’ve been healing as a family for the past year and a half. Much love to you as well. ❤️
Reactive Abuse is still abuse. If someone chases you, hits you, harasses you, corners you, won't let you leave the situation until you snap and strike back, and then THEY act like the victim -- that is Reactive Abuse. That's not a both sides issue. That is the twisted machination of one histrionic and narcissist personality targeting and abusing another person. I don't care how many times the victim strikes back.
@@hollyerorabaugh4406 please be safe, I hope you find happiness. Been there before. It took me leaving more times than I'd care to admit. He was a great hoover, just sucking me back in with pleas and promises. Once he found a new supply i was free. I'm happy now, have a son that I share with my husband, the man of my dreams. Stay strong, I hope you are able to get out safely and permanently. Xo from Ohio.
I disagree with reactive abuse being abuse in the general sense. Reactive abuse is what it's called when the victim reacts to the abuse perpetrated by their abuser. So johnny yelling back or insulting back is reactive abuse and does not make him an abuser. If he did push or hit in response to her attacking him, then that is also reactive abuse and he would still be the victim. I certainly reacted to the abuse I suffered because there's no way a human can just keep taking it forever. Victims never need to be completely innocent because being placed in that environment by their abuser is living hell. It will cause you to break and act differently at times. Mutual abuse, the idea that both were equally to blame, does not exist according to research. It's s just a phrase used by abusive people to muddy the water and make the victim less sympathetic.
I’ve literally watched everyday of this trial live and all of this is just so infuriating and triggering because my older Brother was a victim of physical, emotional and mental abuse by his ex girlfriend AND at the end of their relationship… she shot him twice in the stomach/lung area, while he was asleep in his bed and actually walked away and left him for dead! Thank god it woke him up and he was able to reach his phone and call 911. As she was walking down the hallway, she heard him on the phone with 911… so she hurried and called 911 too because she, of course, thought… “oh shiiiittt… ok, I’ve gotta come up with story as to why I shot him!” This is one of the worst real life, like in my own life, true crime story and complete injustice I’ve ever experienced! Just absolutely awful. Women can absolutely be the abuser and it’s so hard for men to say anything to anyone because they immediately think, “they’ll never believe me, so what’s the point of even trying to get help!” It’s just so sad and I really hope this trial brings massive awareness to Men being abuse victims!
Watching this was triggering AF but hearing you defend him and put words in my mouth I didn't know how to explain for before. It was completely validating. I feel like you were defending me.. I'm sure a lot of survivors feel the same way. This was exactly like my relationship.
“You’re such a baby, grow UP” This is the part I hate the most out of all the voice recordings. How dare you, how DARE you hurt someone and then mock them and get angry at them like this. Disgusting and unacceptable behaviour. Enjoy jail
As telling as that recording is there are some that are even worse AH recorded without his knowledge. They're so bad I'm still at a loss as to their being submitted to the court in her "defence" when some actually serve to better prove JD is telling threw the truth.
when he talked about himself telling her “i already gave you everything, take my blood i know that’s what you want” i literally cried. i’ve never been in a relationship, never been abused like that, and just imagining it hurts me bad… i can’t believe he actually went through that
When you were talking about her “ smirk” after the finger incident; that’s called duping delight! She actually thought it was funny; but tried to get away with it. Not knowing the camera was on her. There is such a thing as “ controlling abuse” that is recognized in many countries; our country is working on this! This whole scenario screams control; with Amber being the controller.
The true crime fan in me wonders what would’ve happened if this had gone on any longer especially since she made a point to say “I’m not even in your will” when they literally just got married…
That what I think about. She was probably planning to frustrate him to an overdose. Then she would get a lovely inheritance, sympathy as a young widow and some clout to boost her acting career. Being left out of the will spoilt her plans/hopes and she lost it.
Re-hearing Johnny Depp's testimony after having heard Ambers now, it is eerie how there are weird elements of their testimonies of abuse that are the same in both words and tone. I've missed some portions and commenting before it's over but two pieces specifically that caught me was when he reported that he didn't initially feel any pain when his finger got severed. Amber testifies she didn't feel any pain after her (stolen) SA. And the second one was that he laughed in response to getting the text about "fecal matter". Amber testifies that she laughed after the first time "she got hit". It feels especially interesting since those exact details are two details about Amber's testimony that don't make sense and don't feel right. Realizing now that it's likely because she took them from Johnny's testimony.
I was hoping you would cover this! Johnny Depp is one hundred a victim; people who are abused often act out in an attempt of self preservation. I am so over people saying that he is just as abusive as she is, and I'm so happy for him for coming forward.
My ex withheld any source of warmth from me after a traumatic moment in my apartment that was so cold there was literally ice forming along the windows. I was forced, while sobbing, to snuggle into him. I know exactly what Johnny meant about that moment with the meds. You feel so pathetic and small; you're begging for this person who should love you to give you just the smallest bit of relief and they refuse because they want you to be punished. He may have acted out, but it was because he was pushed to that point.
I’m still early in the video, but as we’re watching him talk about the drug use, I can’t help but pause and just give an opinion. There is no doubt in my mind that his lawyers said look Johnny, if you go ahead with this case the whole world is going to hear every little thing. All of it. And he chose to move forward with it. He is pushing 60. Not early in his career. He has a very impressive resume already. He doesn’t need to salvage his career. So I feel deep in my soul that he just wants to clear his name. To show the world he is not this person. After her testimony today I feel sick for him. I believe he did say some icky stuff to her but I do not believe he was physically hurting her. Ever. I also believe that if contact was ever made with amber it was in defense. I can see him ACTUALLY donating the money if he wins. I don’t think it’s about that. Ok that’s all 😬
She is not a victim. His story resonates with nearly every survivor of domestic abuse, including myself, that I have spoken to. I've known since the jump. She is damaged and evil.
I’m with you in this. I grew up on abuse. I instantly picked up the vibes of her vs Jonny. She acts like my mother and he acts like my dad who has been in a DV relationship with her for almost 50yrs. To be clear… my mother is the abuser and my dad is the victim.
Same! I definitely feel like JD is being genuine. I don't believe AH's testimony because there is so much missing detail that flshbulb memories would burn into her brain if she had truly experienced what she describes. I DID believe her until I saw/heard the evidence. Also, would he fight so hard to televise the trial if he were lying? It would be a serious narc move or a genuine move.
The "come here I love you" recording hits sooo close to home. I think I can talk for a lot of victims when I say, most of us have heard that from our abusers multiple times.
After watching his testimony, and now watching hers...I can't wait to hear what you think! I've been ripping her apart! As a survivor myself, AND having lived with an alcoholic, her accounts are so wrong!
I feel this so deeply. For me personally, her willingness to just stare at him for hours during this trial is the biggest example…😦🙅🏼♀️because there’s just no way, it’s horribly anxiety inducing just to THINK about
@@danielllleX I feel the same way. I have anxiety and have major issues with making eye contact in general but with my ex it was non existent. And the way she spoke directly to the jury the ENTIRE testimony except when she was trying her hardest to conjure up tears was uncomfortable at best.
I think what annoyed me most about this whole 6 week trial, is that he had to give up his phone with texts venting to his friends. But she didn’t give her phone or text messages up! I would have loved to see what she actually said to her freeloading friends about setting Johnny up!
Johnny describing writing on the walls with his severed, bleeding finger sounds *exactly* like a psychotic break. I cannot imagine how he must have been feeling in that moment.
This all makes me so sad. Being an addict in recovery myself drugs can take a person down a dark path and make them do things they never would have normally. When I was on meth my hygiene, mental health, ect was not well and I couldn’t imagine having millions of people have an opinion on the abusive toxic relationships I had during that time
I’ve been clean for a little over 5 years and I’ll out of nowhere think back to the stupid shit I’ve done in the past. Its still the most humiliating feeling even after all these years. I’ve went through a lot of therapy but the feeling never goes away.
It's damned hard going down the drugs path. Keep hanging in there. Drug's are such fun at first, but not for long. You're doing well you sound like you have your life together. Keep it up. Remember there's always someone who loves you.
I’m not an addict, but I love someone who is, and I couldn’t help but think the medication he was talking about was suboxone or subutext- where she was saying “it’s not time” and he’s saying “it’s not based on a clock, it’s based on symptoms”, that was what came to mind. That one specific incident is the one I can sort of understand, because I’ve been in the situation where I’ve been told “you can’t cave in, you have to be strong” and stuff like that, but if we were at a point where my wife was sobbing and begging, I would *at minimum* call the doctor and ask for direction. I have much more experience treating post surgical patients, where the patient is upset and saying they are still in pain but it’s too soon for their pain medication; even in that case, if we had tried other measures and the pain was still overwhelming them, you can bet your buttons I spoke to the surgeon and come up with a new plan. I could not leave someone suffering unnecessarily, and pain is pain whether we’re talking about a post surgical patient or an addict in the throes of withdrawal.
@@mandaleemilly6367 congratulations on your clean time, I’m a little over one year right now. I don’t think I’ll ever forget the humiliation, but it’ll help keep me clean as a good reminder of what not to go back too that’s forsure
I have gone through the same detox that he describes and to have someone refuse to give me the detox medication and force me to scald my skin as my only relief is simply cruel. There is no way I’d be able to keep my cool or ever trust that person again. The agony you go through, you wish you were dying it’s unbearable
I relate with the "smiling" when Johnny Depp talks about his traumatic experiences cause I do it too. For the longest time I didn't even know I was doing it until my husband pointed it out one time when I was having a breakdown and he was trying to help me parse through my emotions. Its like this natural response when you are retelling a story to other people that you are embarrassed about, and the nervous smiles and/or chuckles is like a way to convince, not even the person you are talking to, but yourself that its funny in order to cope, otherwise you risk having all the negative emotions come pouring out and just break you mid-sentence.
As a sdv survivor, I use humor a lot. I agree it's a mechanism for uncomfortable situations. Listening to AH makes my skin crawl and takes me back. I can feel his pain, I can see him relive those moments like it just happened and I hurt for him. This WAS the only way for him to start the healing process. I finally told my parents at age 30 about being raped by someone I knew. Stupid me told my 1st husband about it as I thought he would be understanding about my nightmares and sometimes I had trouble with our intimacy cause I would go back to that dark place. He used it against me and threw it into my face for 10 yrs. So, my 2nd husband I told him up front before we got married. His advice was to tell my family and seek therapy. So telling my family was my first step. It was hard. But, it enabled me to go to therapy and 2 yrs later I was able to finally let it go and heal. So again AH is not a victim. She brought all of her lies and now she has to live with them for the rest of her life. God bless JD cause he survived AH. And I hope he gets therapy as it truly makes a difference. All of us who have lived through dv, men or women, can spot the true victim in a heart beat. As we ourselves have lived through those horrific moments ourselves. Ty for giving us a voice to speak here. Blessings!
Swoop, you were the first person to introduce Histrionic Personality Disorder and Dr. Curry was spot on with all her behavior reflecting that!! Her testimony right now proves it even more!
The first time round, being a survivor myself, I was on her side. However when I saw his testimony in this trial, I believed him, particularly when he started rocking a he was speaking. He definitely comes across as being traumatised. When she came on yesterday, after about 30 minutes, I had to turn it off. Not because I believed her but because I didn't believe her that she seemed to be lying about it made me feel sick. I have watched more but have to do it in small sections because I feel so angry at what she is doing. I'm not saying he was perfect but I don't believe he was violent to her, I think he said stuff due to being pushed to his limits and all the gaslighting he's gone through. I'm not sure he will win, in the court but I think he's regained his credibility in the public. I hope she loses too but I don't think she's likely to work again. I've seen lots of comments from other survivors on various sites and have yet to find one where they believe her having watched her testimony over the last two days. She's just so bizarre.
It so true what you say. I guess when you experience or witness on life DV is easy to see who lies and who does not. In my case my father was both verbaly and physically violent against my mother and oldest sister. They were married for 27 years. I was the youngest and she finnaly divorced him when I was 13. You really see the tipical abuser portrayel as and angel who would never harm anybody. I also have to foward a lot to watch her testimony is so cringy and infurating. What has trigged me more against AH is exactly how she faked something as awful and traumatic as DV. I find her inmmensely repulsive.
I whole heartedly believe the reason Johnny spoke so painfully slow is because he knew he had to watch literally every word that came out of his mouth and how ANYTHING he said would be under the microscope, so I feel for him over that because people took it in a totally different way when really he's no less of a good speaker then he was 10 years ago.
that detox anecdote hit me really hard and is exactly why someone very close to you definitely shouldn't be the one administering your detox drugs (or even to help you taper off certain substances). I've been through that exact same thing... with my ex-wife...
I too injured myself to the point of having my bone exposed. As Johnny said, you don't process it nor feel the pain in the moment. As soon as it happened, I was looking at my bone and thinking "oh, that looks like a serious injury. I should go to the hospital". It took me months to recover and I will have to live with the consequences for the rest of my life, BUT my jokes about it are hilarious.
My dad cut off the tips of a couple of his fingers with a lawn mower. The paramedics were there before the shock wore off and he really started feeling the pain. He was laughing and pretty normal until then. Our bodies are amazing and weird.
42:48 As someone with CPTSD from gaslighting/narcissistic abuse, I can confirm the following. That's not humility, that's a lack of confidence. He is so unable to trust his own reality, that he doesn't believe the facts coming out of his mouth. Part of him thinks he's making this all up. Part of him is terrified of retaliation. And Part of him is filled with a guilt that he's breaking HER moral code, HER trust, HER love. It sucks, so effing much.
This trial is triggering for me. I have been yelling at my phone at AH's treatment of JD. My belated husband was sober for 19yr 11months before he died. The things she did, undermined him being sober, every single time. I do not believe he ever hit her, might have destroyed objects, but not hurt her. How can I say that? During our 4 year engagement, he never once hit me when he was under the influence. I wouldn't marry him as he was and it was when he hit rock bottom and realized he was going to lose me and the life he really wanted, he joined AA to jump start a new life. What sacrifices did she do to help him stay sober? NONE.
Someone may have already clued you in, if so, never mind. The slow cadence of his speech was also driving me nuts! Then I watched his sister testify, and it all made sense! She speaks in a similar, very methodical, way. It’s genetic, he’s not affecting an “accent.” My two cents, he’s a victim. She’s awful! She beat up her wife/partner long before she was Mrs. Depp. She’s the abuser. Always has been. Keep up the great work! Amy
I noticed that too. It must be years of anxiety from his childhood. In his actual interviews, he talks slow but not as slow during the trial. I would assume that when he and his sister were with their mom, they had to make sure whatever comes out of their mouth will not get them beaten in case his mom didn't like what they say.
Him talking about his childhood and kind of smiling is how I have recounted some of the totally horrible but also bizarre traumatic things that happened to me as a child. Some of it is very bizarre and almost comically so. Doesn’t make it any less traumatic.
17:17 thank you for pointing this out. I laugh or make jokes about trauma or horrific situations all the time and a lot of people think I am not taking things seriously. Laughing can be a real coping mechanism for trauma. Great doc as always! ✨ can’t wait to see you disect Amber’s testimony.
When you talked about the "mutual abuse" and how there is actually always a power dynamic, that is so true. I'm a survivor of abuse from my partner and there were times when I would hit back to protect myself and I started to get physical during arguments. I found myself turning into my partner in a way but there was always a line. He always had the power and I always knew there was a line I couldn't cross when trying to defend myself without getting hit or "in trouble" for it. There can be abuse on both sides but one side is always in control.
I hated the therapist who said they engaged in mutual abuse. No real therapist entertains the bullshit that is mutual abuse. There is no such thing. Both parties cannot have power and control over each other.
I really like how you break this down. There have been so many channels and reactors treating this entire case like a joke and it's sad because this is a serious topic.
A tip I got from a DV class was if there's an argument/sign your abuser is going to lose it get away from the bathroom, it's a common place for fatalities to happen for sufferers of DV.
I just realized, that's what Amber was doing with all this writing, she is writing her script for her turn on the stand. Taking Johnny's testimony and using it as her own. I noticed similarities with Johnny's when she was testifying.
I also noticed her trying to copy Johnny’s testimony. I saw right through that crap! It was like an alarm going off in my head every time she copied his words or mannerisms on the stand. Maybe because I have had many years of experience living with Narcissist doing this to me, using this mimicking behavior against me. 😵💫
She is definitely setting him up, trying to make the recordings sound like he is hurting her even when he isn't even near her, upset or angry. You can actually hear her terrible acting in her performance as she is pretending emotions and being hurt, it's laughable.
I don't think it's a polarizing case. Most people are with Johnny. He's not a perfect person but his story is congruent with factual information. Being a victim is s situation/circumstance (a hard one at that). I stand with victims
@@mobwatch8119 but he assaulted her on video/audio right? They've shown that in court right? She's proven that he abused her right? I just want to know if I'm watching this trial correctly.
I feel like she denied him his detox meds because it gave her a sense of ultimate control and pay back... The way he describes it, it sounds to me that he was referring to the first dose he would be given ... A doctor would have decided when to give it based on his symptoms... I'm sure that doctor was a phone call away to confirm he could have meds... That's dispicable to hold that over his head in his most vulnerable moment.
Right? If she were truly concerned about the proper timing she easily could’ve called his doctor to be told what to do. I’ve had many health problems and my husband has called my doctors many times for help on my behalf. That’s what a loving partner does. Assuming his account is true, she clearly didn’t care, and/or wanted to see him suffer.
I got the sense that she didn't really want him to get better because past his substance abuse, he was a genuinely good guy, and it created a bit of a imbalance in their relationship. She didn't want him to be good because she isn't, and she couldn't have anything over him if he didn't have the drug addiction, if that makes sense.
This was so triggering for me but I love this case. Hearing Amber on those recordings had me having flash backs to my father suddenly having "heart palpitations" whenever I tried to talk to him about his verbal and mental abuse he was doing to me.
Such a polarizing case! Where do you currently stand? Everyone is welcome to how they feel, but please be mindful of judging a survivor for how they do or don't respond or relate to this case. As a fellow survivor, I know full well that trauma effects us in all different ways, and someone else's story might resonate with us, or repel us. That's ok. People have very different sides and "teams" they're on in this case. The truth is, there are many many blurred lines in this case. I have been meticulously dissecting thousands of pages of court documents and evidence in this trial and the UK trial and there are alarming inconsistencies I've found on both sides. I still have yet to state my final opinion, as I'm waiting to hear all the evidence presented, as I feel a responsibility to do that as someone researching this. I will do my best to be as thorough as I can, with the knowledge that at the end of the day, none of us will really know EXACTLY what happened, simply because none of us were there. I will not "shame" a person or a survivor if they have a different opinion than mine, because we all process trauma and relate to this story differently. What I care about most is keeping the door open for conversation around survivors, that male survivors exist, and that there are complexities to trauma that extend far beyond this case. I hope we can be open to each other's opinions, and allow for space, reflection, opinions to change, and openness to discuss these nuances. I love you all more than I can say! Please show respect to Amber and Johnny in public discourse, as at the end of the day, even with evidence presented in trial swaying opinion... none of us were present. It's ok to identify with one or the other as they may remind you of your own experiences as survivors (same for me), and everyone is allowed to have an opinion and should be allowed to express it! Let's try to keep it to the trial, and not engage in any name calling Also huge thank you to today’ sponsor! Go to expressvpn.com/swoop and find out how you can get 3 months of ExpressVPN free!
Ever since I heard the hitting audio that came out awhile ago, I've been pretty biased towards Johnny Depp. This whole case just makes me sick and I just hope justice prevails, regardless of my opinion.
They're both victims and were both abusive to each other. She reminds me of my experience during that same time actually with someone addicted to ice and alcohol. It brings out the worst of you. I wasn't physically abusive but when I drank the hurt by my ex would come out and I'd say nasty things. I no longer drink, but I can see why she did as you need to cope. Alcohol is poison and one of the worst substances around for many. Anyway, I copped it and would do my best to calm the irrational rage too. You get desperate, like her threatening self harm etc to make him care. I guess you need to experience it to understand (I'm glad not many seem to as it's pure hell, in between the addictive love.).
It's easy to judge and we all definitely do, but for me personally, it's all too familiar and understandable on both sides. Two hurt, traumatised individuals getting together and throwing substances in the mix will never work until personal healing and sobriety.
Good to see so many haven't had such a toxic relationship. Brings out the worst of you and if you're both "broken" people you don't react in healthy ways. Speaking from experience and now hearing some of her testimony it really makes sense. The way he speaks about her in text, laughing it off as poetic. He spoke horribly of his ex, mother of his kids too. That's not nothing.... Both of them abused each other and it's incredible that everyone thinks she's such a horrible liar when they're both right in how they perceive their experiences. Certainly shows how much awareness the world needs on how abuse changes people and how they behave. Condemn her yet he's okay to comment on women's bodies and ridicule them in private. It cuts deep.
Honestly, I tend to believe Johnny. I've heard the recordings. Plus, the court ordered Heard's team to hand over the devices that originally took Heard's photo evidence of injuries from alleged abuse and she did not. The meta data that would prove whether pics were altered or not is on those raw images. Evidence leans towards Johnny and testimony, for me, does as well.
As a female who left a10 year abusive relationship 2 years ago with a man she sounds so much like my ex he couldn't stand if I try to take a break from the fights he had to be with me 27/7
I watched amber testify today and I noticed one really striking difference. When Johnny is explaining how she hurt him, he is acting out what it was like for him to get hit or for him to move his head away from a bottle that she’s thrown. When amber acts out her story she is physically acting out the acts of aggression. She says”he hit me” and she mimes throwing a punch. She says “ he threw the bottle” and she mimes throwing the bottle. It just isn’t congruent.
HOLY GUACAMOLE how does this not have more likes?? You're so right, and that is SO TELLING.
Holy shit, you're right!!!
Omg yes! Never noticed that. Aggression is the only thing she can act convincingly..... We know why 🙄🙄
I think it’s because she was the one that did those things.
Haha thats really funny because thats exactly how they both acted in their LAST testimonies for the sun article.
The thing that got me the most during his testimony is that Amber watched him the whole time, and yet now that she's on the stand currently, he cannot even look at her. Being unable to look at one's abuser is a common trauma response, one I personally have, along with the laughing mechanism.
Also, when dealing with a domineering, oppressive, exploitive control freak, one can reclaim their personal control and bodily autonomy from their oppressive abusive controller by not looking at them at all.
It’s the beginning of regaining one’s own control as well as letting it be known to the abuser that they no longer have control and will not be reclaiming it…And it sends her off her rocker, driving her to do anything she can to reassert control by compelling him to look at her.
So, she will make the lies bigger and the statements more bold and be more brazen with her poorly written storytelling in an effort to entice him to look at her even if it’s in anger and disgust.
Him not looking at her is making her insane and it may be the best tactic he and his legal team can employ during this revealing of the truth of it all.
Right!!!!!! No survivor would stare Down the abuser
There’s more evidence that he is abusive, you all just make excuse after excuse because you have it in your mind he is a victim. They’re are text messages of him admitting to kicking and head butting her. We just gonna keep making excuses because he drank and took drugs and acts like a big victim? He’s abused a number of people in the past too and you still think he isn’t capable of this? The guy admitted to cutting his finger in a text and re tracked it. He also messaged a friend to talk a shit and there’s no evidence she did this. According to Depps fans, “evidence is now important” there’s evidence he’s an abuser. He’s called various women including his own ex wife and mum to his kids, “sluts, whores and cum guzzlers” the guy lost work due to his own behaviour. Amber didn’t initially go to the papers, the Sun newspaper found out he abused her after Depp told amber to sign a non disclosure agreement after the divorce to stop her talking about the marriage. He went to the papers and said he didn’t hit and she then went and said he did. This isn’t her fault. You’re all denial, how anyone can believe this narcissism woman abuser is beyond me
Yet she steadily looks at him it's gross
That’s really interesting. I read your comment a few times, and in my own life it makes so much sense…
someone pointed out “johnny depps statements seem so rehearsed, they’re exactly the same every time.” well, when you tell the truth, your story won’t change.
It's actually usually the other way around. When a story is made up, you tell it the same way every single time, while if it's real you're more likely to remember new details or forget others as you say it again and again so it will change slightly.
In this case though it's clear that JD's stories are always consistent while AH's stories are not just told differently, they are inconsistent.
@@spookysomeone this! I feel like he had to tell these stories so many times that it feels like he's "memorized" them again and that might make them sound rehearsed. I have experienced that in the past
@@d.on.in.a No, police say they know people are lying because ppl keep adding random details to their story. I’ve been a former reporter and generally ppl who tell the truth keep it simple. Every now and then they’ll call later with something they forgot but not usually.
I am not as familiar with someone telling the story over and over. I’d ask different questions differently to see if the details are the same. But not over and over and over.
Thank you...so true. He's telling his actual experience...and doesn't have to fake anything or lie.
I'm honestly curious about Ambers old relationships. I mean such a level of abuse and abusive behavior doesn't pop into existence over night. Why didn't her previous partners ever speak out?? Wouldn't be surprised if any of them finally gathers the courage to do that, once she's completely obliterated legally.
Her statement saying “I didn’t punch you, I was just hitting you.” Reminds me of my abuser throwing books at me saying after “I didn’t throw books AT you, I threw them in your direction. I’m not the monster you’re trying to make me out to be.” I had to move so one of the books didn’t hit me…
Same here ♡ and so sorry you went through the same bullshit
Same....when my abuser knocked my infant out of arms he said "I wasnt trying to hit him, I was hitting you." I get so upset just thinking about it but we are still here. Im glad you are as well.
This is pretty helpful haha
my abuser did the same thing "I didn't hit you, I was slapping your back". I'm sorry for everyone in this thread that has been through that and I'm honestly sorry that JD had that experience, it really makes you completely question yourself. This person you love who claims to love you would never really hurt you, right, so it must be true that you're wrong?
Same but plates and glasses
As an ED nurse I can assure you someone going through withdrawal gets meds whenever they have symptoms- doesn’t matter the interval they receive them lol. Essentially you’re preventing them from going into a seizure
She was literally risking his life.
Thank you for confirming that. That is so messed up.
Medically detoxing someone should not be left to a spouse in the slightest, it's an extremely delicate process that requires proper knowledge and medication she should never been allowed to gain control of the situation
YES!! I've worked in detoxes before and as a clinician and I can confirm this as well. Absolutely disgusting and evil that she would do that to him.
Thank you for chiming in on this! I was wondering with detox if there was a timing issue like most meds have. Holy crap, that makes it so much worse. I can't imagine.
He does actually talk slower than most people in general and is also very eloquent and thoughtful with what he says. It seems like a baseline.
Probably is his baseline. I never heard about his abuse as a child whether or not you believe Amber was abusive or not, his sister and him have recounted and confirmed that the mother was abusive.
In that environment you grow to be very careful of your words if you don't want the abuser to attack you. Although judging from his testimony it could happen randomly without cause and I still believe they watched their words to not cause extra abuse.
I've gone to an event where it was him and one other person talking on stage, and he absolutely talked like this the whole time.
@@kyoxtohru112Yes, even when it happens randomly, you watch your words to not trigger the abuser, because anything can set them off. I speak from experience (emotional/verbal abuse, not physical thankfully)
He said when he was asked about himself generally that he doesn't talk like his characters, he talks how he talks.
My father also did this, and I do this as well. It's why I prefer written communication because people tend to talk over me, whereas when im typing I have all the time in the world to choose my words. Not as a compensation for abuse, just a personality trait
Friendly reminder that victims are not always perfect people. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY ARE NOT VICTIMS. We shouldn't expect people in awful situations to be saints, abuse can break your spirit.
That applies for romantic partners, family, someone with power over you, etc. You deserve respect, dignity and safety, you don't need to be perfect for that.
Most of victims aren't perfect people. Because predators go for the weak and lonely.
Absolutely 💯
Do you even know the extent of Johnny’s behaviour? Or are you only reading his side cause he’s no victim they were both aggressors
@@Vgs183 I don’t see anything in this comment string implying anyone is talking about either of them exclusively. Or even them specifically at all and not just victims in general.
As someone that has self harmed for years, him describing the shower to burn himself to cope with withdrawals was heartbreaking. I was very much on the fence when this was coming out originally but holy crap, I hope he finds peace.
I hope you also find peace.
I agree. I have nothing but respect for him coming forward as someone dealing with addiction. More so for saying enough, I’m taking my life back. I think it will help a lot of people.
@@crazyamericanredhead I hope it helps male victims know they matter and we believe them too.
@@lalabrouhaha you know why people invalidate male victims? Toxic masculinity this is the tone men have set for themselves so maybe grown ass men should grow up unlearn harmful behaviours and go to ducking therapy. That man has access to literally ever help resource he could ever need. I don’t feel bad for him.
Also I struggled with alcoholism for 10 years, I went from highly functioning to not functioning at all, yes I understand addiction is a disease but at some point it becomes a choice between life and early death and the only one who can make the decision is you. It’s not easy but it’s necessary.
@@Vgs183 wow, the complete lack of empathy towards another person is sad. Even if toxic masculinity is a factor, shaming them even more because of it is just another form of victim blaming. It reinforces the notion that they need to just suck it up or deal with it. Showing them through empathy and belief is much more successful in changing old outdated mindsets. Congrats on overcoming addiction, but that doesn't invalidate other people's struggles. It's not a competition.
The reason why I believe Johnny whole heartedly is because he never once isolated her from her own support group, but rather allowed them to live rent free in his own home. Abusers never do things like this. Amber also never mentioned that he did not allow her to call her parents or see her sister, she never mentioned anything about Johnny stopping her from contacting anyone or her own support group.
proves
how crazy she is
While she tried isolating Johnny
Great point
Excellent point, abusers don't surround you with your closest friends and family
They do if those people also have a history of abusing you, but that is not what happened in this case. But, just the presence of someone having family or friends with them doesn't mean they aren't being abused. Again, doesn't appear to have happened here, but they easily could have been manipulated especially since they were living for free.
I love how the world can't fathom a man being physically abused by a woman and would rather pretend that "mutual abuse" is a thing than dealing with the reality that a man can be a woman abuser's true victim.
EDIT: turns out bidirectional abuse is a thing, but you have to be veeery careful with such terms to avoid victim blaming, since many victims will at some point use tactics considered abusive to try to cope with their situation. If there is a significant difference in intensity and frequency, it's not mutual abuse.
Completely agree, it's sad
Thank you!
This isn't a normal case and they were both drug addicts so sorry if I don't believe that the drug addled man and the drug addled woman weren't toxic to each other. Or that someone who married someone 20 years their junior, or 20 years their senior wasn't toxic to each other.
@@nocause5395 oh toxicity can absolutely go both ways, but abuse is a power struggle it's never both ways, or at least not in a way that can be considered "mutual"
@@nocause5395 I agree that when you introduce drugs / addiction , into a relationship (or it was already present) it gets so messy its ridiculous and unless both ppl choose recovery (in whatever healthy form..doesn't need to be AA/NA) it will be unbalanced. It will ruin the most beautiful relationships. I would never use/ drink in front of my husband if my he was detoxing .it depends on how they feel on a long term basis how triggering it is, alcohol is everywhere- even grocery stores..so it's a little different than opiates or other stuff.
Amber not stopping her drinking, even just for a short time, shows she didnt care too much about his recovery..besides withholding necessary meds.
She had all the power..and seems like she enjoyed him being miserable, so she, and only she, could give him the meds to give him relief.
I do get what you're saying with drugs and age gaps. There are a lot of things we wont know. But most ppl in relationships with significant age gaps, the older one is usually saying the young one "doesn't understand " or doesn't "get it" because they are too young/ naive, etc..and the young one will talk shit about the older one, calling them names, not wanting to be seen with them, (this is different bc they are in the public eye)
I'm a recovering addict, and him talking about her refusing to give him his meds literally makes my blood boil. The kind of evil that takes, to look at someone withdrawaling, and say no to giving him his medication to get through it. I just can't.
She also drank in front of him during his alcohol detox treatment.
Agreed. As a police officer seeing someone not get their fix or medical attention when withdrawing is painful to watch.
Right dude? I’m also a recovering addict. My husband stuck by my side thru all of my self destruction and thru my recovery. This man was almost obnoxious about me taking my meds on time, getting enough sleep, drinking enough water, eatin enough healthy food, getting me to exercise and get out of bed when i was past the worst of my detox.. he quit smoking weed for me, when i told him he didnt have to since A. I was addicted to opiates not weed B. I don’t think weed is a drug per say and C. My issues are not his issues and he shouldn’t have to give anything else up just because im not a responsible person as long as he doesn’t do drugs in front of me, then we were all good. But that was not even a negotiation for him. He did whatever he needed to to help me work thru my shit and never once did he EVER withhold my meds, put drugs or alcohol in front of me, take me to places where id be tempted, push me to the point where i relapsed, or did anything others than support me and my sobriety. I know that i am VERY blessed to have a person in my life who would do this for me. I am so grateful for that. But like, then again i feel like if youre married to someone with an addiction you should be supportive of them or not be with them or like.. at the very fucken least dont do drugs or drink in front of them.. and dont take away their medications when theyre trying to get better. SO FUCKING SIMPLE.. again those are bare minimum expectations. My mother is an amber, she was my enabler.. my mother TO THIS DAY still puts drugs in my hand and tries to get me to relapse.. thats why i do not see her unless I absolutely have to. But she only does this because shes very jealous that i was able to get clean, she doesn’t like that she has lost her drug buddy, she is ashamed of her own drug use & being around me who is sober makes her feel even worse about it.. and just overall she is jsut a miserable person who wants everyone else to be miserable with her. But thats exactly what Amber was doing. She didnt want Johnny to g eat clean, she didnt wanna lose her party buddy, she didnt wanna see him better himself because she knew that even at her best she was not as good of a person as him, she did not have as much to offer & everything she did have to offer was surface value at best. So of course she wanted to sabotage his recovery. Miserable people want everyone to be miserable with them so that they dont have to feel bad about being a miserable person. Sorry for the long comment. I saw your comment and nobody else was talking about this from an addicts perspective so i really wanted to connect my own experiences to your comment and Johnnys dealings with amber and hopefully give people who aren’t addicts or dont know any addicts a different point of view on this topic since i think its very important to point out that Amber did not want Johnny to get better. Which is a WHOLE OTHER element to this cycle of abuse that nobody has really talked about yet. That in itself is abuse. On top of the physical abuse. The emotional abuse. The mental abuse. Etc.
Right here, recovering addict and maintenance program advocate! It is disgusting evil and extremely telling she does this. Her need to control!
@@KreatureKennedy Thank you! And you are truly loved. I personally had a problem w/ her with holding medication from JD and her continuing to drink and use drugs in front of him. No wonder he had to find a way with out enraging her and getting into ...Another fight w/her and getting/asking her to leave and let him do this detox with out her. ( Because she was NOT helping him!) Just causing JD more pain and hindering his process in trying to get clean. The control amber eased in so sneakily- boots & drink... Drink! Amber had her own daemons and past history with drugs & alcohol. Lucky. when your under 18 those records are sealed but do not disappear. Right amber? But the DV records for amber did not vanish... Bummer Amber. So she has a court history. And Van Rae knew like I knew if charges were pressed there would be HELL to pay... Later. Probably was anyway because NOTHING is ever ambers fault. But before I went off on my own angry... Because this makes me So Angry rant. I just wanted to Thank You again for your input and insightful comment. I hope your comment bring light to AH supporters.
I think you're right about Depp's sort of chuckling/laughter. I have C-PTSD and if I'm ever in a situation where I have to recall my trauma (mostly therapy honestly or sometimes when I'm starting a relationship to give some background on the nuances of my behavior) - I do it too. It's hard to explain why - it's like a nervous/uncomfortable tic. Sometimes I also think it's like an unconscious way of trying to comfort the other person (see! I chuckled! Really it's okay! I'm fine!) because it makes me uncomfortable when people feel pity for me. If I don't laugh then I have to acknowledge how unfunny and horrible everything that happened to me was and even as I'm writing this comment like the discomfort I feel is palpable.
It's a bitter incredulous chuckle. Like wow. I put up with a lot. Laugh or cry is how I see it. I refuse to shed one more tear on that so I laugh.
Yes, me too. Very well explained.
I do the same thing when I’m nervous I laugh or smile out of shyness or being uncomfortable.
CPTSD is the ICD-10's special version of BPD.
I agree, I think it’s also a way to dismiss something a person knows will be viewed as abnormal. “I know, crazy, right?” To downplay the seriousness. Or even to avoid confrontation because the abuser will become aggressive if you call them out on their previous actions. The part where she’s yelling at him that she only hit him and is wasn’t a punch is a tactic I’m familiar with.
I find it extremely concerning that she's weaponizing his substance use against him on the one hand, while on the other she allegedly sabatoged his detox.
It’s like she kept poking at him wanting him to lash out.. when someone is detoxing people say it feels like they are someone else cuz they’re feeling crazy & trying to get a grip on reality. So sabotaging that definitely makes me raise my eye brows.
I've dealt with a few people who went through q substance abuse issue while also trying to detox. I did not want to be their boss cuz they snapped randomly at a drop of a hat. She's an evil person.
@@nikkydalby7126 that's literally what their marriage counselor said she did. She'd rather fight with him than have him leave. He'd try to deescalate stuff and shed KEEP POKING
AH claim she wanted to help and this was to make their relationship Better. If Johnny loved her he would get clean, while she was NOT and and did nothing to support him in this endevar. She just hindered him while making it even more painful for him. I boggles my mind that she insisted she be by Johnny's side to sabotage him, hurt him and cause him even MORE pain. So evil... She was probably smiling/smirking as she replied " It's not time."I'm doing this for you Johnny. But it was all about HER. So incredibly sad. Johnny had to bribe amber with money, trip & friends to gain himself time to detox. This is not love or a caring / concerned spouse/girlfriend, whatever she was at this time. It also concerns me the matter about being in Johnny's will ( and that special loving gesture of the engraved large knife as a Wedding present amber presented to him at the Wedding. NOT the gift of an abused woman. IMO Johnny's so lucky to be alive. I hope Johnny's security team stays on alert for a number of YEARS after this court case is over. Elon and possibly James Franco better watch out too, both could of helped Johnny but haven't so far. I truly believe that the both of them will deeply regret this decision.
She’s insulting the sober community, and the abuse survivors community.
I share the same laughing coping mechanism. It really unnerves people when I'm relating my trauma and I laugh, but I laugh because it sounds fake, it sounds so unbelievable and my brain wants to snap in half and the only thing I can do with that energy is scream, or laugh, to let it out.
I do it as well. I think part of the reason I do it is actually to put the person listening to me at least. Like yeah it’s heavy but haha see it’s okay
Same. I use humor to cope with the trauma b/c it just seems so unreal the things a person will do to another.
Yes. My mom laughs too. But I believe that the laugh always sounds weird. There’s a heaviness in it. And probably if you ask anyone close to you they will tell you the same.
That’s how it feels when he laughs. Is just such a heavy reflexive laugh. Like his body just did it because what else could it do?
I do it too
I laugh too. Or I disassociate and talk about it like it wasn't me.
He calls her Miss Heard. She calls him Johnny, all the time. For some reason that bothers me terribly, I feel like she wants to get under his skin, still trying to scare him. It's so hard to watch her take the stand. 😔
Absolutely terrifying.
I 100% agree with you. I feel like him calling her “Miss Heard” is a way of deliberately distancing himself from her.
Watching his testimony was hard, you could just see him literally recalling it and reliving it. Watching hers made me think "how does she keep getting acting jobs, because she's _bad_ at it"
@Autumn there's a bit when she started testifying where she looked 'sad' until the other lawyer objected, and she immediately stopped looking sad, until she was able to start talking again and boom, sad-face again. It was unnerving
Exactly!
The number of times I've said this. She's so bad.
He literally talked about r4ping her d3ad corpse but omg yeah hes such a soft innocent poor little boy 🥺🥺🥺
Same. I have been trying so hard give her the same benefit of the doubt I gave Johnny and not assume either are acting immediately. But where Johnny, for all that he dragged on to the point of tears, came off as believable and I empathized with him a lot.
Amber… not so much.
THANK YOU in regards to “mutual abuse”
I don’t trust anyone that can’t see the difference between a victim having a breakdown because of abuse, lashing out, and being an abuser.
People don’t realize how saying “mutual abuse,” just invalidates the victim who is just reacting to the abuse.
It’s referred to as “Reactive Abuse” and it very much needs to be highlighted more. No one can be expected to just lay down and take it from their abuser.
I work in DV and we don’t use the term mutual abuse and I personally don’t like it. When there’s physicality on both sides for example, we identify the primary aggressor. And we don’t count self-defense as DV.
I wince every time I hear people describe their relationship as mutually abusive because he said some shitty things about her (not to her) to his friends or lashed out at some cabinets. I still haven't seen any concrete evidence of him hitting her or berating her like she's done. As if every victim of abusive is supposed completely passive and composed at all times or that makes them no longer a victim. If JD was the female in this situation, I don't think people would be pointing to his few instances of bad behavior as being equal to the totality of things she's done to him.
Talking shit to friends about your abusive wife at home is pretty normal lmao not abusive he never said those things to her it's a normal dark humor reaction to friends about a really bad situation at home . Not mutual abuse.
This trial was so upsetting to watch, me and my father are emotional abuse victims. I was tormented by my mother for years, constantly told I wasn't good enough, and at one point the abuse was physical as well. However, from some things that my dad has mentioned... I had it bad, but he had it way worse. My mother forbid him to see me for 7 months, knowing damn well that he had a tumor and that he was going to die, he sent money every time that he could, he even drove 2 hours just to see me for 10 minutes at recess. She hit him multiple times at some point during their relationship. Forbid him to have any female friends even though they were divorced, she treated him as if he was his property.
It's disgusting how men can abuse a woman and immediately be sent to jail, but woman don't face the same consecuences.
Absolutely horrendous, and my heart goes out to any abuse victims.
Men are RARELY held legally accountable for their abuse. Have you ever seen the stats?? The small percentage of female victims who get justice is depressing, and if women barely get justice, imagine how much less common it is for men to get justice. The whole system is screwed up beyond repair. That’s what happens when you have a system that was designed by men for men. We need a complete overhaul. Abuse has no gender, even if women are significantly more likely to be the victims. It doesn’t cancel out the men and others who are also abused. It’s weird that we as a society have this belief that women can’t abuse men, but we’re fine with acknowledging the fact that women often abuse their children. Clearly women can be abusive, and the whole idea that they can’t is really a disservice to women and justice
I don’t care about Hollywood gossip so I don’t even know how I got into watching this trial. Pretty sure I was looking for content to listen to while working and all I could find was this trial. Anyway, I got hooked and then addicted IMMEDIATELY. But it wasn’t until AH took the stand that I got TRIGGERED. I am a woman who was abused in a very similar way by a woman who also has BPD and lemme tel you, the trauma came back full force. I was not prepared for that. I am sorry you also got triggered and I’m certain a LOT of other people too. I try to look for the good and focus on that and so I’m grateful this trial was aired on tv and a LOT of people were properly educated about what DV is and that a mentally ill woman can cause just as much damage as a psychotic male partner. Furthermore she abused him psychologically too which was also done to me- where these women abuse their victim then pretend to be the victim of that person which pretty much makes the real victim have a mental breakdown. It took me years to get over it.
Sending you my compassion. 💗
@@kateashby3066 maybe DON'T generalize on everyone with bpd. I'm sorry for what you went through. But saying things about how mentally ill women are dangerous, and comparing that to a male psychopath make you sound insanely ignorant. Maybe learn a little about it first. People with bpd are more likely to hurt themselves than other and spreading this stigma isn't helping anyone. In your experience maybe those things were factors but it's completely irresponsible to put labels on a large margin of people.
Yeah but men don't get sent to jail immediately too. Most female victims also don't get justice.
@@wayln2591 True.
If the odds are extremely low for female victims, they're even lower for male victims.
Regardless, i send love to anyone that has been a victim of any kind of abuse.
in the phone call he had with Heard he said something along the lines of "That's what you're not seeing, Amber. This isn't just about me. How do you think my kids feel when their classmates call the kid of an abuser?" I think it's perfectly reasonable for him to mention his kids in court.
As someone who’s been subjected to severe abuse and attempted murder by an ex boyfriend, hearing his testimony absolutely tore me up inside. The part where he was withdrawing and had to *beg* for his medication cut like a knife because I *know* that feeling, I know that embarrassment and absolute self loathing of being in such a place where you have to beg someone you love for medication to help with getting through an addiction and detoxing. When all of this came out I believed Amber, I have always and will always believe women when they come forward as victims of abuse - but I genuinely believe that Johnny is the victim here and Amber is a vile person.
This trial didn't change your mind on believing women who come out with stories of abuse/SA? Do you take the statements at face value and assume no lies, or do you take it with a grain of salt/assume true but wait for verification (or maybe something else)?
She smirks when he's explaining about her denying the medicine
@@lunaredelvour2972change our minds? Sadly, too many people never believe victims-who are overwhelmingly female-already. It made me really nauseous that she came out claiming to “Fight for Women” as she made it worse for those victims. Look, he is no prize as a husband, but she is a vile POS.
As a woman you gotta be the perfect victim, you can't fight back no matter how much you're being harmed or stupid fucks will just blame you because they don't recognize they're sexist.
My ex flushed an entire bottle of medication (mine) down the toilet. Absolutely awful
When Johnny is listening to the recording I noticed his shoulders were slouched, he was trying to be as little or unseen as possible. This is just heartbreaking, she uses how she feels at that moment to make sure he knows he did this to her. I believe him 100%
AH's testimony today was... something. She really presented herself as an almost perfect victim and everything was his fault, his wrongdoing, he started it, he was the issue, etc. The way she presented is COMPLETELY at odds with former witness testimony and audio recordings of her. It was like two different Ambers. The biggest red flag to me was her own attorney asking if she documented anything after the alleged bar incident, IYKYK, and she said no. No?? Something like that happens and you're fine the next day (by other witness account) and don't document it or report it? She has lost all credibility to me for so many reasons, all by evidence presented in this case. Meanwhile Johnny went to the hospital to deal with his severed finger. This is astonishing. Truly.
I know. She has no awareness of the responsibility she holds in the dysfunction of this relationship. JD sure as shit said and did some vile things, but we heard audio of AH being awful too. She knows we know, but she's still not incorporating any admission of her own toxic behaviour.
Even when my partner and I fight (not physical, just usual couples' disagreements) I can look back and see what I said or did that was hurtful to my partner. AH has absolutely zero self awareness and zero sense of accountability. Disingenuous.
I was so angry. I felt insulted by her audacity. And the pictures. My god. The easier example was Rihanna, she was hit 3 times and looked really bad and swollen, AH had such a horrible experience and she’s not a walking bruise? How?
I was speachless
She could get plenty of pictures of Depp passed out and videos of him having breakdowns but couldn't photograph her injuries? HELLO???
The other thing is she always blamed Johnny.... but usually most victims do feel like they fed into it a bit or didn't do enough to stop it.
I’ve had to detox before. I was crying uncontrollably and hyperventilating while calling my doctor on a Saturday. My doctor called me back within 5 minutes but that felt like forever… Called me on his car phone talking me through it. Just thinking about what he went through begging for the meds is one of the worst things I could ever think of! It’s disgusting.
I literally held my breath when he was describing it because it took me back to my same experience.. I had meds and doctors at my disposal. I couldn't imagine being denied while in that state ESP by someone who "loves me".
If unsupervised and off of medical attention, someone who is having a withdrawal can die from it and that's not mentioning how painful and terrifying it is without risk of death either. :/
I have detoxed off of opiates twice, it is extremely painful. The fact that she wouldn't give him his comfort meds is absolutely sickening, you really need somebody with you who is going to take very good care of you and keep you comfortable.
@@dont_harsh_my_mellow you can die detoxing off of alcohol and barbiturates! Its scary!
Yeah. It sounds horrific
It's wild how all he wanted to do was leave. And there's MORE then enough recordings showing how manipulative she was so he wouldn't leave. Just so she could keep verbally and mentally ab*sing him. I seriously feel so bad for him. He may not be perfect but he certainly doesn't deserve this.
The big difference between their testimonies, so far, is that Johnny seems to be recalling everything, Amber seems like she's creating it and reciting something rehearsed.
There’s proof of her literally just quoting stuff from movies etc. and it’s just.. ew. She’s not even a monster, she’s something worse. And I have no idea how she got acting jobs with how insanely bad her acting is during this.
If Johnny doesn’t win then there’s something very very wrong.
@@Cairovalerius I saw that. That's so scary... Gone Girl level stuff... You can tell Johnny's attorney is looking forward to tearing her testimony apart. He's literally getting excited with each lie, and it's hilarious to watch. They can bring up her ex's, now that she brought up Kate Moss. She deserve prison.
@@shae9364 agreed! I look forward to when it’s their turn. She really does, for several different reasons. Let’s hope jury and judge feel the same, even if the judge feels a bit.. odd.
The biggest difference I've noticed is that Johnny seems to speak from a place of how he felt & it often seems like he's even reliving the emotions as he relates his experiences, whereas Amber appears to be telling a story/setting a scene & doesn't seem to be recalling so much as reciting; on the occasions where she's telling us some truly horrific things, her face gets very ugly, like someone about to break down into tears, but her face never quite makes it - no tears, no swelling, no redness. The moment she stops speaking, you'd have no idea she was just talking about an extremely frightening experience where she allegedly was concerned for life & limb.
It's...quite a contrast.
Yesssss. It's like she is telling the jury a story and gauging their reaction
I ugly cried through most of this doc. Just watching someone I’ve adored and idolized since I was a kid relive his trauma completely destroyed me. When he was asked why he didn’t leave and answered, “because my dad didn’t leave,” I totally lost it. Yes he made mistakes in all this as well, but he is still the main victim in this case and it kills me to know that my idol has gone through, and still is going through, his own personal hell.
What bothers me the most is that people still want to say "oh it was just a toxic relationship on both ends" like no, this man was abused mentally, emotionally and physically.
I agree
People who aren't following this case closely are just stating "they sound like they were as bad as each other"
Err no she abused him
I hope his dad is helping him through these tough days. Luckily, I think his 12 years of terror should end with this verdict and big $ award. Consequences!
From one survivor to another, thank you for pointing out that Johnny talking about burning Amber's corpse was perhaps a trauma response. I remember how angry I was with my abuser. I had dark revenge fantasies at times. It is a normal thing to think about taking your power back from someone that has stripped you of your dignity and your sense of safety in the world. Unless you've been reduced to tatters you really can't understand that desire to put yourself back together again, and I think that revenge fantasies are a normal part of the healing process. It is not our thoughts that define us, it is our actions.
Amber was the abuser.
As someone who has gone through a painful detox, the story of her withholding drugs from him during that process makes me want to scream. The amount of fear he must’ve felt in that moment is unimaginable.
Not to mention the selfishness of making it about her and complaining that he was agitated. I can’t wrap my mind around arguing with someone detoxing. Someone in acute withdrawal is in extreme discomfort and distress - they are incapable of entertaining you or being there for you. He’s crawling out of his own skin and trying to survive each minute and she has the nerve to come there with expectations for his behavior?! Either be there 100% in support or leave. That part infuriated me too.
This so much. I’ve detoxed off many substances. Fuck her. Fuck that. Wow. It makes my blood boil.
@@skinsciencebymira Exactly!
Yes that made me so disgusted with her. I want to puke hearing that. I cannot imagine how she could treat another human like that let alone her husband that she says she loves so much. And how helpless and alone he must have felt then. Absolutely disgusting.
I feel like that was THEE hardest thing hes ever had to do in his life, and SHE is the hardestttttssss thing ever. Imagine combining the 2 at once! She is an evil and vile woman for doing that to him during such a painful and vulnerable time. She loved and enjoyed every single second of torturing him too. Withdrawals and detox from opiates to me, is harder then giving birth. I feel for every single person who’s ever gotten addicted to that crap.
When I was watching her testimony today when she described receiving a severe beating where she received 2 black eyes, thought she had a broken nose, busted swollen lip, bruised forehead, and a huge clump of hair pulled out that was so severe her makeup artist had difficulties covering it the next day, I couldn't believe the pictures they entered into evidence as proof was just a minor lip injury and some light discoloration around one eye as well as another photo of what looked like a lock of hair cut off.
Then I remember her former nurse's testimony including her notes that included that besides the minor lip injury which was still bleeding a fee days later she didn't notice any injuries and told her to follow up with her doctor about it ....which she didn't .
This right here proves it for me. I mean, come on. If he actually did what she said he did as many times as she said he did it, there would be so many more and worse pictures and MEDICAL RECORDS - she said he pretty much beat her half to death and seriously injured her in multiple ways on multiple occasions! NO PROOF! INSANITY!
I actually found an interesting twitter thread that was able to go through her timeline of "injuries" and compare the pictures to her changing face due to minor cosmetic procedures, as well as a rhinoplasty. It also compared her "injuries" to pictures of other people post botox, rhinoplasty, fillers etc. It is... uncanny.
That 'lip injury' looks like a cold sore, mine looked exactly like that after a few days and it took days to heal. I wish I could share pictures here, cause I'm pretty sure a lot of people will see her lip differently. Even when she said 'this is a picture of my lip healing' and it looks like that too. She had discolouration and under eye bags, but no injuries at all. The supposedly 'clump of ripped hair' also looked like cut hair, placed on the floor, since they were similar in size.
@@Megan-cd6sh I agree those look like marks after cosmetic procedure.
It should also be noted it is very easy for a person to minorly split their own lip. I'm a lip and nail biter when my anxiety levels go up; I've biten my lip open more times than I can count in my 26 years of life. People still ask if something happened to me if I have a split on my lip, and embarrassingly I say every time "I did it to myself. I'm a lip biter and I sometimes split my lip on accident, not realizing how hard I'm biting." (Same as I've caused that kind of damage to my nails.) I just wanted it noted for everyone how easy it is for a person to split their own lip, without physical confrontation as the cause of the injury.
My siblings and I have similar "laughing" type manerisims when it come to discussing our childhood trauma. I get the sense that it is a coping mechanism for him
Same; my therapist pointed it out one day and it sent me.
This comment just pointed this out how I do the same things
I feel so, so bad for Johnny.
He suffered this insane abuse, then was ground into the dirt when Amber successfully turned the tables in 2015/16, and now he has to air out every little dirty detail of his life in front of the entire world.
@@ocu8378
What???
Yep.
And on top of that, people immediately slam and condemn him only because he’s a man. This case is insane.
I feel like this case brings to light that woman abuse men too, and Amber has made it harder for real victims to come out, she has single handily done an incredibly large amount of damage to the me too movement, like she even told Johnny that nobody would believe him because he’s a man, she knew exactly what she was doing, even people in her own circle has claimed to be abused by her, and her own parents are on Johnny’s side, and it absolutely blows my mind that even with all proof coming out against her, people still are on her side, and just looking at his face when listening to those tapes, it’s like he’s having flashbacks, he just looks so sad and broken, like he wants to cry, and he just keeps staring at him with a look of “ you’re gonna pay for this, I’ll make you pay”
What are you guys even talking about at this point, if it only takes 1 woman to discredit a whole movement, then you didnt really care much about that movement in the first place 🙄 people just wanted a woman they can spew their misogynistic hatred at free from consequences. The people who are doing the constant victim blaming and spewing misogynistic hatred at 1 woman while discrediting other women are the ones who are doing damage. And the deranged fan girls stanning a misogynistic man like Johnny... THEY are the ones who are causing damage to other victims...
@ is that literally all you guys have to say? I have never seen people go this hard towards male r4pists and abusers as they have towards Amber....
@@why7189 I mean, there's male abusers who have been killed for what they've done so how does that one work in your world?
@@why7189 The reason she specifically damages the Me Too movement and other survivors coming out is because she was appointed to the ACLU as a 'human rights ambassador'. So this is not just 'one woman' ruining a movement, it is 'one of the most prominent women in the movement' being proven to have lied. It reopens the already doubtful circumstances for many to much further scrutiny and question, which true survivors should never have to endure.
@@why7189 because it's not the abuse they're mad at, it's women
It seriously upsets me hearing people say he was just as abusive as she was. One unfortunately effective tactic of an abuser is to get under their victims skin to push them towards retaliation, so they can use those instances to twist peoples view and control the narrative. Watching Johnny speak is absolutely gut twisting, he is showing clear signs of someone who has gone through the trauma of DV. Watching Ambers body language and testimony actually triggers a trauma response, it is way too familiar.
I’m glad that most people seem to be able to see through her. I’m angry that the media keep putting out headlines that anyone who supports Depp is a “crazed fan” It more often than not seems to be survivors of dv and people that know the damage of what a narcissist personality can do. I’m hoping she has to face some kind of accountability for her actions.
Yes.
As a survivor, it was VERY clear to me, in my opinion & experience, that she is the abuser.
I have nothing but fury towards people who LIE about being a "victim".
May Amber get every.last.thing.that.she.
deserves.
I am terrified for that poor, poor, precious, innocent child stuck with her as a "mother".
That is horrific, to me.
Yeah. Even if say he was abusive, she would still be abusing him. Its like "I commited a crime, but he commited the same crime so im not guilty!"
Yes! Exactly. It's called reactive abuse and it's not spoken about often enough.
Well said
I personally think her eating during the deposition was a strategy (likely recommended by her lawyers). Chewing food gave her “legit” excuses for extra time to think of answers/lies to the questions being asked without just overtly pausing for long periods or stumbling over her words & being obvious about needing to really think about the lie she’s gonna say. When people are being honest most of us simply automatically respond with the truth & don’t necessarily need lengthy pauses to recall truthful memories.
Twice she does this. First time she has no problem talking with her mouth full. Second it's a long drawn out process, to buy time to think of next response. Doesn't take an expert to see it.
Actually there is a body language specialist channel called observe that kinda goes over this specific deposition you speak of. She is eating and drinking specifically when she is asked a question that she has to build up a story for or she don't want to answer.
@Tam you’re not the only one - The Behavior Panel, Observe, The Body Language Guy, and Derek Van Sheik have all spoken of this extensively on their channels.
That deposition was a joke...
I can't even *IMAGINE* being allowed to eat during a legal procedure...
You want to see into her TRUE persona?---- That footage is a GOLDmine...
Sneering, disdain, dismissal, minimalism or denial of ANY personal responsibilities --- she's *power MAD* , and makes no bones about it...
A foul, vile, and evil creature, at best...
100% accurate. Her lawyers had nothing else bc she is such a bad liar and actor lol
Abuse doesn't bring out the best in a person, and abusers see that, and use it against their victims. Like, "look! He's drinking more and doing more drugs! He's angry and slamming door's! He's out of control!" Conveniently leaving out their actions which have potentially led to these reactions.
"Tell the world, Johnny, tell them, 'Johnny Depp, I, a man, I'm a victim too of domestic violence'. And see how many people believe or side with you"
💙❤️WE BELIEVE YOU JOHNNY!!! ❤️💙
The most impactful part of that was his 1 word reply after she says it. “Yes!” He said yes with such a surety that I knew it wasn’t a lie.
- Johnny : "Hold my megapint"
no
I believed & still believe him.
I firmly believe he was the victim and everything he said about her is true, even stuff that I think would be too much like defecating on the bed, maybe her image in his eyes at that point was so bad that he jumped to that conclusion and it really was the dogs but it doesn't matter. I don't believe a thing she said, she was never afraid of him hurting her, she was afraid of him leaving her cause she's so obsessed with control.
I never thought I would have a lot in common with Johnny depp. But my heart is with him. I was an opiate addict in a relationship with a narcissistic abuser. When I got clean the violence got worse.
He told me nobody would believe me because I was a “junkie wh-re”
After we broke up, he smeared me and told everyone he was the victim.
I recently found out he has done this to every single girlfriend in some form.
I’m four years clean now and happier than ever.
I wish I could give jd the biggest hug.
The reason so many dv survivors are on his “side” is we recognise it. We see it. And we stand with victims. No matter the gender. 💜❤️ oh side note, no way in hell would I have bought my abuser a knife! 😂❤️
'And we stand with victims. No matter the gender'.
Now THIS, this should be on a t-shirt. This should be the motto of every organization that is meant to support victims of any kind of abuse.
I agree! I recognize it too and I’m on the victim’s side as well…no matter the gender because woman can be abusers too!
Urgh sobriety sucks. I’m looking forward to the day I fall off this dreadful wagon. I dnt see how ppl do it, but then again I been sober for 2 years but done opioids for 15 years. Anyways congrats on staying sober.
@@johndough5192 I found finding things that give you a high helps. A long walk somewhere pretty, dancing like a maniac, hot baths, transcendal meditation (David lynch has some good talks on it)- sounds hippy but really works to get that noddy feeling. Stay strong ❤️❤️ try to surround yourself with fun sober people, as I know the na crowd can be a bit intense 🥱 ❤️❤️❤️
Swoop, I am a DV survivor also and have followed you for a while now. What I find most telling and honestly would like to run into the courtroom to say is “if you need any more evidence that this man is telling the genuine truth, here it is: An entire hour and a half Swoop documentary and NOT ONCE did we go to Petty University!!!” His last words when he says he has nothing left but his blood and she belittles him by telling him to tell the world about it broke my heart but made me smile a little that he has done exactly that and we believe him! Bet she didn’t see that coming!
It takes a strong man to admit he is being abused by his spouse mr. Depp, I'm proud of you for standing up not many men do !
I see, so a man can lie he's being abused and he automatically gets brownie points for it. Now you know why domestic violence is getting worse, people like you.
😂😂😂
Usually because they aren’t believed, even if they have photos voice recordings etc. I really hope this case helps more men be believed
If Johnny's so abusive why is she complaining that he always tries to get away?
I would think (though admit have no personal experience) that if my partner was abusive I would be more than happy for him to leave.
This is such a good point!!!!!
@@uhmull I'm referring to Johnny wanting to leave the situation before things escalate, not about him leaving permanently.
Johnny also grow up with an abusive childhood.
Given all the evidence (or lack of evidence on Amber's part) I suspect the physical abuse came from her, not him.
@@deesmith4800 its like when a parent hits the child. Who does the child want to be comforted by. Usually that same person. If theres mental abuse you become addicted to their validation and you dont even realize it..
@@realaliciacinnamon If the choice is the abusers leaves for a short period of time or they abuse you, wouldn't most abuse victims prefer a temporary break than abuse?
That said most of the evidence is that Heard is the physical abuser, not Depp.
@@uhmull There's no doubt this was, overall, a toxic relationship between 2 people with serious issues.
Her testimony does not smach up with the recordings.
The way she testified is like she was sooooo scared of him, but the recordings says something totally different.
The recordings and her exaggeration are her downfall
Both can co-exist
Yet in Amber's teams opening statement they claimed he was isolating her from her family and friends. You know, as he let them free-load in his homes right next toAber and she saw them daily... It's incredible how much she took his story and twisted it around to be her own. I don't even believe she was abused as a child, she took that from him, too and her mom is dead and can't speak up, and her dad is as after the money as Amber is so he won't speak up...
The whole her following him around while he’s trying to escape an argument is so triggering to me. My dad did that to my mum, sister and I to the point that we’d go off and then he’d call us “drama queens”; my husband used to do it when we were teenagers to the point I would physically shove him to get my point across that I didn’t want him to be near me, which would make me feel gross because I physically laid hands on him in anger. There’s nothing worse than just trying to get away and they’re not letting you
According to Amber, he isolated her from all of her friends and family. Seems a weird way to go about that if he let her friends live in his penthouses rent-free and also put her up WITH HER FRIENDS in a bougie hotel.
and primarily her friends at their damn wedding
Plus notice how it was always her friends. With his friends she called them boring old men who always wants to play with their silly little instruments, and she doesn’t like hanging around them (who are all some of the most influential rock musicians of our life time) and always refers to Marilyn Manson as the person he went on a coke binder with. Lmfao however none of her friends could do any wrong. She and her friends are the perfect little angels 👼
It was her friends HE had to hang with, while she dipped out on his friends. It’s HER friends he had to spend time with at some trailer park. It was HER friends he had to come home to after being away filming. It was HER friends and parents who were over during thanks giving and he only had 1 or 2 friends there. Lmfao she is a certified sociopathic lunatic
Imagine if we didn't have these recordings. Johnny would have no proof that she was ever the primary aggressor.
it makes me really happy that you included the bit about mutual abuse not being a thing. i've seen a lot of people claiming they're both the issue - while yes, he's no saint; he's the victim through and through despite his reactions to her. it's difficult to keep your cool and remain calm when someone is constantly throwing punches (sorry hits - not punches) at you and making you feel like you're crazy. especially while he was trying to get clean. she is disgusting for using him and treating him the way she did and continues to do. my heart goes out to johnny depp and all the other survivors like him and i really hope after this trial he'll be able to move on with his life and continue doing what he loves.
I think the part of her testimony that got me the most is when she was describing a certain situation (can't say on here which) but she started crying and saying she just can't go on. She said it twice and I believe she was expecting someone to say you don't have to go on or expecting someone to sympathize with her and offer her a moment to get her thoughts together, but no one said a word, not one word. She ended up having to say what supposedly happened. I have the greatest amount of sympathy for DV victims, as my own child was one, but something in her story does not ring true and it has nothing to do with me liking Depp or not. It has everything to do with her demeanor and the fact that there are more than a few embellishments in her story.
It's expected in court that you tell the story in its entirety. You don't get a pass. You can pause to collect yourself, but they won't let you off the hook telling the story because you either can't remember or it's too much. Or, in Amber's case, you have to make something up.
I agree, it didn’t feel genuine most of the time, you could tell when she meant some things, and then she’d make all these faces and try and get herself to cry… it was so bizarre. I want to believe victims, but I’m having a hard time with her. To me it’s simple, where are the receipts of all those awful times he harmed her? Was she not seen by any medical professionals EVER??, where are those photos of the things he did? Why not take pics of that , if she claims she took pics to remind him of what happened… it doesn’t make sense…:-/
I got that as well. She’s horrible
It was kind of on my radar because Crowder had a show about its importance, but the first I actually saw of the trial (that got me hooked and digging into the rest of it) was about a week later when, by popular demand, he livestreamed part of Amber's direct with commentary.
Try this on for size for putting your finger on why she rings not true: the Boston Flight Incident. I didn't hear the question, because they were talking over it, but I saw her initial physical reaction to the question. She started looking up, down, and around in these jerky glances. She wasn't looking at anyone or anything in the room, she was "looking" at various points in her own mind, gathering them and connecting them together. I recognized it, because I do the exact same thing when I'm trying to collect details of a vague memory or when I'm putting something together in a logical or philosophical calculation in my head. Crowder's whole studio erupted in catcalls, but I was thinking, "Wait for it. You haven't heard her answer yet." Then she gave her 1st sentence: "It was a nightmare."
😶...
*LIAR* warning bells so loud they drowned out my tinnitus. Either the physical reaction or that particular opening sentence I might have bought, not both together. I have a panicky my-baby-sister-could-have-died-and-it-would-have-been-my-fault memory from 13 years ago I classify as a nightmare. Never mind direct reference to it, just the association of knowing she was supposed to recount a memory and her calling it a "nightmare" (as in, exponentially worse and more traumatic than the "regular" nightmare she alleges about their relationship as a whole) instantly brought that memory, whole, with every detail, ready to be recounted, to the front of my head. I don't need to searching 😒🙄💩 around for it.
Omg Spankie... him describing the situation where Amber withheld the medications is beyond disturbing and my heart literally breaks for him. As someone who has withdrawn from substances in the past and knows firsthand how INCREDIBLY AWFUL the symptoms are, I cannot imagine how horribly helpless he must have felt begging someone who is supposed to love him to help him not feel like he is dying is incomprehensible
I've been there too, there is nothing worse than withdrawal, you literally feel like your dying. The symptoms can make you wish for death. That is the cruelest exertion of control by Amber. It makes a statement of the person she is
The most haunting thing to me is when he talks about drawing on the walls with his blood. It sounds absurd but i understand- at the lowest point in my life i ended up covered in blood from an attempt and i just sat in-front of the mirror and smeared it on my face. You just lose all sense on reality in that moment. I hope he wins and can heal from what happened to him.
Pretty sure this trial is one part if a healing process that already started. His description of Amber's need for conflict, etc has a very strong recitation cadence. The terms and phrases he uses are not what you would expect from a lay person or a lawyer. It *is* what I might expect a therapist to tell a survivor over and over and over to reaffirm that the abuse was not his/her fault. I would be surprised if he has not had therapy during his largely homebound life to which Dr. Curry referred.
The laugh as he talked about his childhood abuse BROKE ME. I have two babies and the thought of throwing an ashtray at them is horrifying. But it’s his laugh that kills me because it’s almost like he has to minimize it to cope with it. I can’t believe any mother could treat their child like that (even though I’m very aware some do). 😔
Right. It’s bc it’s normal to us. It’s horrible.
Having children retraumatized me. Bc you think how could anyone treat me this way when all I want to do is love and keep my babies safe. This is why he’s so protective over his children. You have to be. Besides him being famous.
That laugh and how Swoop explained it hit way too close to home for me, while my mom didn't quite throw ashtrays at me, she did throw things including a half a kilo cheese to my head because I was eating cereals and not bread, and I also can't help but chuckle at the absurdity every time I tell of it, like who the fuck does things like that to their kids. Humor is a good way to be able to cope with parents doing absurd things that no parent should do, it doesn't feel as bad if you just laugh it off.
yeah, when you remember the abuse you either laugh or cry. and some of us prefer to laugh because we're all out of tears. I talk about when my mum threatened to unalive me while dragging me on the kitchen floor by the hair with a smile, but I've been told my eyes are vacant. Like... I'm not really there. if I don't smile, I break, and if I break I disappear... I don't want that to happen, I want to live.
I knew a guy who talked about his own childhood abuse as if he were a stand-up comedian. He would have had a great career in comedy, as he spun it in such a way that we (as teenagers) couldn't help but laugh while saying "That's horrible!" We did not find the abuse funny. There is nothing funny about it. He was just extremely skilled with using humor as a coping mechanism.
I guess it's that "If you don't laugh, you'll cry" thing...
The laughing is 100% a defense/soothing mechanism. I use it a lot when I talk about my childhood and the things I had to endure from my mother.
As a childhood abuse survivor myself, I relate heavily to the idea that you don't know how to react protectively when you're used to people abusing you. People with unresolved trauma, like an abusive parent, commonly don't develop the coping skills necessary to extract themselves from an abusive situation quickly. When all you're used to is chaos, chaos is normal
Even when you get a ‘normal’ life, you’re waiting on the other shoe to drop 😞
It’s normal but I hate it. So glad the family I’ve created doesn’t scream and hit and doesn’t manipulate. Growing up without love is hell
Honestly moving somewhere quiet I had to relearn how to live in peace. Now I can't be without it
What is alarming to me is how in arguments she will go from nearly tears, to verbally accosting him and yelling, to a hushed calm tone, then back to yelling, and crying again. These rapid swings in her tone and countenance tells me all I need. She “cries” for sympathy from Jonny to keep him there. Then verbally abuses him, then tries to calm him when he gets upset, then cries again to keep him from leaving. An abusive emotional rollercoaster just to control him.
She does the same thing on the stand. It’s so weird to watch
Dr curry was able to read her like a book.
All victims and survivors of abuse are sitting thru this case with their jaws clentched. Shes a narcissist and anyone who has been abused by one can see it. Its actually really scary. She genuinely scares me.
When the verdict was being read i was crying so hard. Felt like justice for so many.
@@pearlosibu I felt exactly the same way. It was almostlike MY abuser lost and I won !! VERY happy for Johnny, he did get there, he did tell the truth, and he wad BELIEVED ❤❤❤!!!!!
So many memories of my ex being controlling and abusive..
At this point I have changed how I thought about this case. After hearing Johnny, I fully believe him, now that he has been able to fully tell his experience. Amber's actions and behaviors were so similar to my abusive ex. Even in the timeline of them slowly taking control and escalating abuse. And being a reactive abuser, she would push and push then when he came back to defend himself would point and say he's the abuser, he's the crazy one, which my ex would also do. In the recordings you can hear that she is gaslighting him or she just went off on him and now is recording once he's reacting.
Loving the video so far. Not even done it yet lol.
It’s upsetting that so many people have gone through something similar.
Yeah.. i know a lot of people are looking at this as “gold”, “entertainment” and even “comedy”, but, it was hard for me to listen to Johnny in the audio of AH telling him “I didn’t punch you!! I HIT you!”. He sounded so pitiful, and broken.. and also under the influence. A lot of people are giving him shit for that, but, could they deal with that mess sober? And tbh, if he was the abuser, none of this would be funny. None of it. And as far as the drugs and alcohol? It would largely be excused as her escape from the nightmare that is Johnny. He said some awful things, but she DID some awful things. I’m shocked he didn’t strike her back. I think at the very least, I’d probably say some questionable things to my close friends, and her, if I was in his situation (as I have been and I did do some of those things 🤷🏻♀️). It’s also worth noting she derailed his attempts to get sober… so.. and apparently, she’s no stranger to drugs and alcohol either.
Reactive abuse is so fucked up, I'm glad you got away and they're your ex.
My sister is like this. Sucks that I can't divorce her and need to address all the messes she makes along the way. It's tiring
At what point did you decide to believe amber - to have to change your mind I to believing Johnny ???? Bc this stuff has mostly all been public knowledge for years
As a survivor of domestic violence (mental, emotional, financial, physical, and sexual), when I hear Johnny speak about his experience with Amber I feel all the things. The pain, the fear, the sadness...all of the things he says gives me the vibes of "yeah...those are the feelings I have had too." However, when Amber speaks about her experience it feels like the way Hollywood thinks abusive relationships go...
I know that they are actors and he has more experience...but his story just matches my domestic violence story more clearly than hers does. I am not saying that I don't believe both sides...it is just a difficult case where 2 actors, who know their craft, are telling their story in a potentially dramatic way...the world is watching them.
@@mobwatch8119 I am legitimately curious about what your comment means. Are you saying that I am wrong for voicing my connection to another person's story? Because one of the joys of the internet is that people can hear a story similar to their own and talk out their own pain/traumas. I was not saying my story is better or worse than anyone else's...I was merely saying that I felt more connected to the way JD tells his story. I am allowed to have that reaction and share that with people. The internet is sometimes a cesspool of problematic opinions but in this case I was sharing my personal feelings as they relate to being a person who experienced DV/IPV. I am just confused what you were trying to say in your comment. 🤷🏼♀️
Watch Incredibly Average ‘s take. They reveal all, perfect, incredible to watch.
I have personally been through withdrawals from drug addiction and I cannot imagine his pain she put him through on top of the pain his body is going through!!! This poor man!
However…. The time thing for his medication (depending on what medication he was prescribed to help him manage his withdrawal symptoms) there’s a 24 hour time period or the medication could send you into acute withdrawals
I absolutely cannot wait to hear your take on “mutual abuse” because that’s a topic that is really close to my heart since Justice was denied to me in my own domestic violent relationship due to the fact that I occasionally hit my partner back. He was 23 when I was 16, and the power dynamic was definitely swayed in his favor.
I'm so sorry to hear that that happened to you. While I do believe there is such a thing as mutual abuse (as I grew up in a household where that was happening) I do not believe that getting the courage to strike back occasionally makes you a co-abuser or equal abuser. Everybody is different and some people do try to fight back sometimes or hope that they can stop it by reacting or whatever they might be thinking at the time. That doesn't make you an abuser too. And it's very unfair that you were denied justice for yourself. I'm sorry about that.
There is no such thing as mutual abuse. Abuse is, by definition, an issue of power and control. You cannot both have power and control. One party has the power. One party is the abuser. Responding to being abused does NOT MAKE YOU AN ABUSER! PERIOD. END OF STORY.
Speaking of coping mechanisms for trauma and stuff, I've noticed Johnny has a particular way of speaking at times like he's trying to remove himself from the situation. He doesn't say "I took a scalding shower," he says, "the only thing YOU can do, you take a shower, set it to scalding". He use multiple coping mechanisms to try to separate himself from those instances emotionally. Another thing I noticed he does is he sometimes will use very clinical terminology, such as when he mentioned the poop incident. He used the term 'human fecal matter', which many people have poked fun at already, but it's very telling that he used that terminology in that recounting. Maybe these stick out to me as a detail oriented person and a trauma survivor myself.
I myself have used these coping mechanisms many times, so seeing so many parallels with Johnny just sticks out like a sore thumb and hearing the stories about Amber set off alarm bells in my mind really fast. Like when he was talking about trying to escape so he can just breathe after a fight, and she showed up five minutes later screaming. That would have set me off in panic attack mode, I can only imagine how hard it was for Johnny being in the thick of it all. I can only watch these court scenes in short spurts at a time because I just resonate so strongly with Johnny that seeing his thousand yard stares and hearing the pain or emotional detachment when he describes his trauma is way too visceral for me.
This is a great point. He absolutely uses a lot of techniques to emotionally distance himself from traumatic things he experienced
It reminds me of myself intelectualizing
Thank you for sharing. Although, personally, that sounded more like explaining to me. I thought it was great and very effective, the way he didn't just assume the jury would understand the struggles of addiction withdrawal, trying to get clean, and the effects of specific drugs. It was very helpfully informative for people who didn't know and was consistent with the experience of people who do. I was prescribed oxy after I had my wisdom teeth out (Thankfully not addicted. I *hated* the first dose, but I managed not to get dry socket, so my pain was manageable enough I'd rather deal with that than the fug.) and I've been around a couple of other people who *were* addicted to opiates, so I could recognize his descriptions. I was also called up for jury for a case involving marijuana. I wasn't selected, but hoped that if I were, some witness on either side would describe it like Depp described opiate use rather than just assume.
It’s so weird listening back on this after hearing Amber’s testimony. There are so many stories she takes and completely swaps. Also the moment of him talking about his finger and how he didn’t feel pain, just the heat.. then she shares the story of the bottle saying she didn’t feel pain, just the pressure. Just interesting.
I grew up in a household incredibly similar to how Johnny is describing his relationship with Amber. My father has always been abusive to not only to us kids, but to my mom doing the EXACT same things Amber did to Johnny. Telling [my mother] she was a bad mother, having to constantly walk on eggshells because my father could explode at any moment. It’s so sad and I’m happy Johnny is out of that relationship. My father and Amber are so similar that it’s genuinely terrifying to me that other people like my father exist in the world.
God bless you. Hope you are in a safe and happy place as I had a similar experience as you as well. I still have trusting issues but luckily I am in a good support system from friends and family I established on my own, and I could rely on my skill for living. Good luck!
@@cocoli6035 thank you. My parents got a divorce and are finally separated form each other and we’ve been healing as a family for the past year and a half. Much love to you as well. ❤️
@@jace4545 I am sincerely happy to read your follow up comment.
Reactive Abuse is still abuse. If someone chases you, hits you, harasses you, corners you, won't let you leave the situation until you snap and strike back, and then THEY act like the victim -- that is Reactive Abuse. That's not a both sides issue. That is the twisted machination of one histrionic and narcissist personality targeting and abusing another person. I don't care how many times the victim strikes back.
I’m in the very situation
Yes!
@@hollyerorabaugh4406 please be safe, I hope you find happiness. Been there before. It took me leaving more times than I'd care to admit. He was a great hoover, just sucking me back in with pleas and promises. Once he found a new supply i was free. I'm happy now, have a son that I share with my husband, the man of my dreams. Stay strong, I hope you are able to get out safely and permanently.
Xo from Ohio.
Amythyst Jazyn thank you!
I disagree with reactive abuse being abuse in the general sense. Reactive abuse is what it's called when the victim reacts to the abuse perpetrated by their abuser. So johnny yelling back or insulting back is reactive abuse and does not make him an abuser. If he did push or hit in response to her attacking him, then that is also reactive abuse and he would still be the victim. I certainly reacted to the abuse I suffered because there's no way a human can just keep taking it forever. Victims never need to be completely innocent because being placed in that environment by their abuser is living hell. It will cause you to break and act differently at times. Mutual abuse, the idea that both were equally to blame, does not exist according to research. It's s just a phrase used by abusive people to muddy the water and make the victim less sympathetic.
I’ve literally watched everyday of this trial live and all of this is just so infuriating and triggering because my older Brother was a victim of physical, emotional and mental abuse by his ex girlfriend AND at the end of their relationship… she shot him twice in the stomach/lung area, while he was asleep in his bed and actually walked away and left him for dead! Thank god it woke him up and he was able to reach his phone and call 911. As she was walking down the hallway, she heard him on the phone with 911… so she hurried and called 911 too because she, of course, thought… “oh shiiiittt… ok, I’ve gotta come up with story as to why I shot him!” This is one of the worst real life, like in my own life, true crime story and complete injustice I’ve ever experienced! Just absolutely awful.
Women can absolutely be the abuser and it’s so hard for men to say anything to anyone because they immediately think, “they’ll never believe me, so what’s the point of even trying to get help!” It’s just so sad and I really hope this trial brings massive awareness to Men being abuse victims!
I really hope your brother is recovered and okay.
God bless him!
Watching this was triggering AF but hearing you defend him and put words in my mouth I didn't know how to explain for before. It was completely validating. I feel like you were defending me.. I'm sure a lot of survivors feel the same way. This was exactly like my relationship.
“You’re such a baby, grow UP”
This is the part I hate the most out of all the voice recordings. How dare you, how DARE you hurt someone and then mock them and get angry at them like this. Disgusting and unacceptable behaviour. Enjoy jail
Wish there was...
@Mickey Holmes She can go to jail for perjury. Lying on the stand is literally a crime.
As telling as that recording is there are some that are even worse AH recorded without his knowledge. They're so bad I'm still at a loss as to their being submitted to the court in her "defence" when some actually serve to better prove JD is telling threw the truth.
I hope she ends up going to jail. I really do.
I think Johnny should also charge her with abuse. Even attempted murder.
when he talked about himself telling her “i already gave you everything, take my blood i know that’s what you want” i literally cried. i’ve never been in a relationship, never been abused like that, and just imagining it hurts me bad… i can’t believe he actually went through that
When you were talking about her “ smirk” after the finger incident; that’s called duping delight! She actually thought it was funny; but tried to get away with it. Not knowing the camera was on her. There is such a thing as “ controlling abuse” that is recognized in many countries; our country is working on this! This whole scenario screams control; with Amber being the controller.
thank you for explaining!!! she does this several times in the trial
😁 behavior panelists? Lol!!
I think that she knew that him admitting to that would make him look unstable and help her case.
And that it’s one of the few concrete things they’d have against him (because he admitted to it)
She also gets a smirky look when his children are mentioned
The true crime fan in me wonders what would’ve happened if this had gone on any longer especially since she made a point to say “I’m not even in your will” when they literally just got married…
At one time he was worth about 650 million dollars. I think AH had a plan to dispose of him for a long time.
Ever heard of Phil Hartman?
That what I think about. She was probably planning to frustrate him to an overdose. Then she would get a lovely inheritance, sympathy as a young widow and some clout to boost her acting career.
Being left out of the will spoilt her plans/hopes and she lost it.
Honestly, same. It’s not the she discussed wills with her spouse, it’s the *way* he testified that she went about it
Re-hearing Johnny Depp's testimony after having heard Ambers now, it is eerie how there are weird elements of their testimonies of abuse that are the same in both words and tone. I've missed some portions and commenting before it's over but two pieces specifically that caught me was when he reported that he didn't initially feel any pain when his finger got severed. Amber testifies she didn't feel any pain after her (stolen) SA. And the second one was that he laughed in response to getting the text about "fecal matter". Amber testifies that she laughed after the first time "she got hit". It feels especially interesting since those exact details are two details about Amber's testimony that don't make sense and don't feel right.
Realizing now that it's likely because she took them from Johnny's testimony.
I was thinking exactly the same thing!!!
Why she was taking all those notes!
I was hoping you would cover this!
Johnny Depp is one hundred a victim; people who are abused often act out in an attempt of self preservation. I am so over people saying that he is just as abusive as she is, and I'm so happy for him for coming forward.
My ex withheld any source of warmth from me after a traumatic moment in my apartment that was so cold there was literally ice forming along the windows. I was forced, while sobbing, to snuggle into him. I know exactly what Johnny meant about that moment with the meds. You feel so pathetic and small; you're begging for this person who should love you to give you just the smallest bit of relief and they refuse because they want you to be punished.
He may have acted out, but it was because he was pushed to that point.
I’m still early in the video, but as we’re watching him talk about the drug use, I can’t help but pause and just give an opinion. There is no doubt in my mind that his lawyers said look Johnny, if you go ahead with this case the whole world is going to hear every little thing. All of it. And he chose to move forward with it. He is pushing 60. Not early in his career. He has a very impressive resume already. He doesn’t need to salvage his career. So I feel deep in my soul that he just wants to clear his name. To show the world he is not this person. After her testimony today I feel sick for him. I believe he did say some icky stuff to her but I do not believe he was physically hurting her. Ever. I also believe that if contact was ever made with amber it was in defense. I can see him ACTUALLY donating the money if he wins. I don’t think it’s about that. Ok that’s all 😬
Also: Lily Rose got death threats because she defended him. Imagine seeing your children being cyberbullied over lies?
i agree here, he said some horrid stuff to her, bht havent we all when we get annoyed with people and then regretted it the next day?
@@BeS1228 YES!
@@8LyJu8 that alone would make it all worth it to do this lawsuit. Notice how she keeps bringing up his kids. She’s just pushing buttons
@@theifysnightmare1316 yes! Some I don’t regret. I mean if it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck…😬😬
She is not a victim. His story resonates with nearly every survivor of domestic abuse, including myself, that I have spoken to. I've known since the jump.
She is damaged and evil.
I’m with you in this. I grew up on abuse. I instantly picked up the vibes of her vs Jonny. She acts like my mother and he acts like my dad who has been in a DV relationship with her for almost 50yrs. To be clear… my mother is the abuser and my dad is the victim.
Same! I definitely feel like JD is being genuine. I don't believe AH's testimony because there is so much missing detail that flshbulb memories would burn into her brain if she had truly experienced what she describes.
I DID believe her until I saw/heard the evidence.
Also, would he fight so hard to televise the trial if he were lying? It would be a serious narc move or a genuine move.
+1 she resembles me of my abusive former husband, he resembles me of myself. Coincidence? I don't think so!™ 😅
+1 she resembles me of my abusive former husband, he resembles me of myself. Coincidence? I don't think so!™ 😅
She's got that heinous & guilty stare on her face that terrifies me!!!😱😱😱😱
The "come here I love you" recording hits sooo close to home. I think I can talk for a lot of victims when I say, most of us have heard that from our abusers multiple times.
After watching his testimony, and now watching hers...I can't wait to hear what you think! I've been ripping her apart! As a survivor myself, AND having lived with an alcoholic, her accounts are so wrong!
Thank you! I’m glad someone said it!
I can’t wait for the cross examination, I wonder how many crocodile tears she’ll have ready for that.
I feel this so deeply. For me personally, her willingness to just stare at him for hours during this trial is the biggest example…😦🙅🏼♀️because there’s just no way, it’s horribly anxiety inducing just to THINK about
Her photos do not coincide with her fake testimony.
@@danielllleX I feel the same way. I have anxiety and have major issues with making eye contact in general but with my ex it was non existent. And the way she spoke directly to the jury the ENTIRE testimony except when she was trying her hardest to conjure up tears was uncomfortable at best.
I think what annoyed me most about this whole 6 week trial, is that he had to give up his phone with texts venting to his friends. But she didn’t give her phone or text messages up! I would have loved to see what she actually said to her freeloading friends about setting Johnny up!
Johnny describing writing on the walls with his severed, bleeding finger sounds *exactly* like a psychotic break.
I cannot imagine how he must have been feeling in that moment.
@@hughmungus431 Shit, that sounds awful. Glad you're still here with us and I hope you're feeling better 💜
This all makes me so sad. Being an addict in recovery myself drugs can take a person down a dark path and make them do things they never would have normally. When I was on meth my hygiene, mental health, ect was not well and I couldn’t imagine having millions of people have an opinion on the abusive toxic relationships I had during that time
I’ve been clean for a little over 5 years and I’ll out of nowhere think back to the stupid shit I’ve done in the past. Its still the most humiliating feeling even after all these years. I’ve went through a lot of therapy but the feeling never goes away.
It's damned hard going down the drugs path. Keep hanging in there. Drug's are such fun at first, but not for long. You're doing well you sound like you have your life together. Keep it up. Remember there's always someone who loves you.
You’re still responsible for that behaviour. It’s no excuse.
I’m not an addict, but I love someone who is, and I couldn’t help but think the medication he was talking about was suboxone or subutext- where she was saying “it’s not time” and he’s saying “it’s not based on a clock, it’s based on symptoms”, that was what came to mind. That one specific incident is the one I can sort of understand, because I’ve been in the situation where I’ve been told “you can’t cave in, you have to be strong” and stuff like that, but if we were at a point where my wife was sobbing and begging, I would *at minimum* call the doctor and ask for direction.
I have much more experience treating post surgical patients, where the patient is upset and saying they are still in pain but it’s too soon for their pain medication; even in that case, if we had tried other measures and the pain was still overwhelming them, you can bet your buttons I spoke to the surgeon and come up with a new plan. I could not leave someone suffering unnecessarily, and pain is pain whether we’re talking about a post surgical patient or an addict in the throes of withdrawal.
@@mandaleemilly6367 congratulations on your clean time, I’m a little over one year right now. I don’t think I’ll ever forget the humiliation, but it’ll help keep me clean as a good reminder of what not to go back too that’s forsure
I have gone through the same detox that he describes and to have someone refuse to give me the detox medication and force me to scald my skin as my only relief is simply cruel. There is no way I’d be able to keep my cool or ever trust that person again. The agony you go through, you wish you were dying it’s unbearable
I relate with the "smiling" when Johnny Depp talks about his traumatic experiences cause I do it too. For the longest time I didn't even know I was doing it until my husband pointed it out one time when I was having a breakdown and he was trying to help me parse through my emotions. Its like this natural response when you are retelling a story to other people that you are embarrassed about, and the nervous smiles and/or chuckles is like a way to convince, not even the person you are talking to, but yourself that its funny in order to cope, otherwise you risk having all the negative emotions come pouring out and just break you mid-sentence.
Completely agree - I deal with trauma by laughing. It’s better than crying … makes it easier to distance yourself from the pain
It’s to soothe or cope, lighten the emotional burden/break the tone of it and largely self-soothe
:( I do the same thing
As a sdv survivor, I use humor a lot. I agree it's a mechanism for uncomfortable situations. Listening to AH makes my skin crawl and takes me back. I can feel his pain, I can see him relive those moments like it just happened and I hurt for him. This WAS the only way for him to start the healing process. I finally told my parents at age 30 about being raped by someone I knew. Stupid me told my 1st husband about it as I thought he would be understanding about my nightmares and sometimes I had trouble with our intimacy cause I would go back to that dark place. He used it against me and threw it into my face for 10 yrs. So, my 2nd husband I told him up front before we got married. His advice was to tell my family and seek therapy. So telling my family was my first step. It was hard. But, it enabled me to go to therapy and 2 yrs later I was able to finally let it go and heal. So again AH is not a victim. She brought all of her lies and now she has to live with them for the rest of her life. God bless JD cause he survived AH. And I hope he gets therapy as it truly makes a difference. All of us who have lived through dv, men or women, can spot the true victim in a heart beat. As we ourselves have lived through those horrific moments ourselves. Ty for giving us a voice to speak here. Blessings!
Swoop, you were the first person to introduce Histrionic Personality Disorder and Dr. Curry was spot on with all her behavior reflecting that!! Her testimony right now proves it even more!
I don't think she's the first. People have been trying to diagnose amber with all sorts of disorders
@@kay-oc2zm she mentioned it in her Gabbie Hanna video towards her, not Amber. I’m just pointing out that I first learned about it from Swoop
The first time round, being a survivor myself, I was on her side. However when I saw his testimony in this trial, I believed him, particularly when he started rocking a he was speaking. He definitely comes across as being traumatised. When she came on yesterday, after about 30 minutes, I had to turn it off. Not because I believed her but because I didn't believe her that she seemed to be lying about it made me feel sick. I have watched more but have to do it in small sections because I feel so angry at what she is doing. I'm not saying he was perfect but I don't believe he was violent to her, I think he said stuff due to being pushed to his limits and all the gaslighting he's gone through. I'm not sure he will win, in the court but I think he's regained his credibility in the public. I hope she loses too but I don't think she's likely to work again. I've seen lots of comments from other survivors on various sites and have yet to find one where they believe her having watched her testimony over the last two days. She's just so bizarre.
Oh. Don’t watch today then. I am still so upset. She is an insult to real victims and survivors.
It so true what you say. I guess when you experience or witness on life DV is easy to see who lies and who does not. In my case my father was both verbaly and physically violent against my mother and oldest sister. They were married for 27 years. I was the youngest and she finnaly divorced him when I was 13. You really see the tipical abuser portrayel as and angel who would never harm anybody. I also have to foward a lot to watch her testimony is so cringy and infurating. What has trigged me more against AH is exactly how she faked something as awful and traumatic as DV. I find her inmmensely repulsive.
Today’s testimony was beyond infuriating. I had to turn her off and take a walk to calm down.
She makes me nauseous. I viscerally distrust her.
Yeah, she's a really bad actress. IDK how she ever got a role to begin with.
I whole heartedly believe the reason Johnny spoke so painfully slow is because he knew he had to watch literally every word that came out of his mouth and how ANYTHING he said would be under the microscope, so I feel for him over that because people took it in a totally different way when really he's no less of a good speaker then he was 10 years ago.
that detox anecdote hit me really hard and is exactly why someone very close to you definitely shouldn't be the one administering your detox drugs (or even to help you taper off certain substances). I've been through that exact same thing... with my ex-wife...
That’s awful, I’m really sorry that happened to you
I too injured myself to the point of having my bone exposed. As Johnny said, you don't process it nor feel the pain in the moment. As soon as it happened, I was looking at my bone and thinking "oh, that looks like a serious injury. I should go to the hospital".
It took me months to recover and I will have to live with the consequences for the rest of my life, BUT my jokes about it are hilarious.
My dad cut off the tips of a couple of his fingers with a lawn mower. The paramedics were there before the shock wore off and he really started feeling the pain. He was laughing and pretty normal until then. Our bodies are amazing and weird.
I hope you’re doing okay! ❤️
Yeah, my grandad is missing half of the thumb after work accident, it still bothers him decades later, but his jokes about it indeed are hilarious
It’s fine when you make jokes about your own trauma / life experiences
I am a walking disaster and have PLENTY of jokes about my own self-inflicted injuries 🤡
42:48 As someone with CPTSD from gaslighting/narcissistic abuse, I can confirm the following.
That's not humility, that's a lack of confidence. He is so unable to trust his own reality, that he doesn't believe the facts coming out of his mouth. Part of him thinks he's making this all up. Part of him is terrified of retaliation. And Part of him is filled with a guilt that he's breaking HER moral code, HER trust, HER love. It sucks, so effing much.
This trial is triggering for me. I have been yelling at my phone at AH's treatment of JD.
My belated husband was sober for 19yr 11months before he died.
The things she did, undermined him being sober, every single time. I do not believe he ever hit her, might have destroyed objects, but not hurt her.
How can I say that? During our 4 year engagement, he never once hit me when he was under the influence. I wouldn't marry him as he was and it was when he hit rock bottom and realized he was going to lose me and the life he really wanted, he joined AA to jump start a new life.
What sacrifices did she do to help him stay sober? NONE.
Someone may have already clued you in, if so, never mind. The slow cadence of his speech was also driving me nuts! Then I watched his sister testify, and it all made sense! She speaks in a similar, very methodical, way. It’s genetic, he’s not affecting an “accent.”
My two cents, he’s a victim. She’s awful! She beat up her wife/partner long before she was Mrs. Depp. She’s the abuser. Always has been.
Keep up the great work!
Amy
I watched his testimony on 1.5x speed haha
Yea, I went back and looked at some of his interviews. I wanted to know if he has always talked like this.🥰🥰 he has.🥰
I noticed that too. It must be years of anxiety from his childhood. In his actual interviews, he talks slow but not as slow during the trial. I would assume that when he and his sister were with their mom, they had to make sure whatever comes out of their mouth will not get them beaten in case his mom didn't like what they say.
@@jenblueangel05 great point!
He's southern and native American
Him talking about his childhood and kind of smiling is how I have recounted some of the totally horrible but also bizarre traumatic things that happened to me as a child. Some of it is very bizarre and almost comically so. Doesn’t make it any less traumatic.
17:17 thank you for pointing this out. I laugh or make jokes about trauma or horrific situations all the time and a lot of people think I am not taking things seriously. Laughing can be a real coping mechanism for trauma.
Great doc as always! ✨ can’t wait to see you disect Amber’s testimony.
Seriously though. Its a self calming thing for me, laugh to push away the uncomfortable memory.
My psychologist even gets to laugh when I tell him the abusive situations I lived because I only joke about it
When you talked about the "mutual abuse" and how there is actually always a power dynamic, that is so true. I'm a survivor of abuse from my partner and there were times when I would hit back to protect myself and I started to get physical during arguments. I found myself turning into my partner in a way but there was always a line. He always had the power and I always knew there was a line I couldn't cross when trying to defend myself without getting hit or "in trouble" for it. There can be abuse on both sides but one side is always in control.
This was my EXACT experience!!!! Well said
I would even hit back and instantly ball up waiting for the consequences for it smh. Truly scary times.
They break you down till you're so cornered you fight back so they can say "see you're the bad one I'm innocent"
I hated the therapist who said they engaged in mutual abuse. No real therapist entertains the bullshit that is mutual abuse. There is no such thing. Both parties cannot have power and control over each other.
fighting back is not being like your abuser. there is no such thing as 'mutual abuse'
I really like how you break this down. There have been so many channels and reactors treating this entire case like a joke and it's sad because this is a serious topic.
A tip I got from a DV class was if there's an argument/sign your abuser is going to lose it get away from the bathroom, it's a common place for fatalities to happen for sufferers of DV.
Ive never thought of that. Thank you for sharing I’ll try my best to remember Incase I’m ever in that situation.
@@Alice-ib4cz that's okay, if it even helps one person that's amazing😊
I couldnt go anywhere else it was the only place with locks on the door
But why? Is it because you’re trapped?
I just realized, that's what Amber was doing with all this writing, she is writing her script for her turn on the stand. Taking Johnny's testimony and using it as her own. I noticed similarities with Johnny's when she was testifying.
Yes I did to
That’s why it was so overly dramatic/ detailed.
I also noticed her trying to copy Johnny’s testimony. I saw right through that crap! It was like an alarm going off in my head every time she copied his words or mannerisms on the stand.
Maybe because I have had many years of experience living with Narcissist doing this to me, using this mimicking behavior against me. 😵💫
I noticed that too.
@@kaitlynraw4899 yes she's following Johnny's testimony, taking notes to make t her own
She is definitely setting him up, trying to make the recordings sound like he is hurting her even when he isn't even near her, upset or angry. You can actually hear her terrible acting in her performance as she is pretending emotions and being hurt, it's laughable.
He was lucky she is shit actress. Otherwise it would have been a lot harder.
i 💯 agree
I don't think it's a polarizing case. Most people are with Johnny. He's not a perfect person but his story is congruent with factual information. Being a victim is s situation/circumstance (a hard one at that). I stand with victims
Well, it is if you have a bias favoring women. Then yes, that's why it's edited in a way to make him appear manipulative.
It’s polarizing because he’s clearly manipulating the jury and public opinion. His PR team coached him.
@@BeS1228 and Amber recorded them
@@ALT-vz3jn both have PR firms.
@@mobwatch8119 but he assaulted her on video/audio right? They've shown that in court right? She's proven that he abused her right? I just want to know if I'm watching this trial correctly.
I feel like she denied him his detox meds because it gave her a sense of ultimate control and pay back... The way he describes it, it sounds to me that he was referring to the first dose he would be given ... A doctor would have decided when to give it based on his symptoms... I'm sure that doctor was a phone call away to confirm he could have meds... That's dispicable to hold that over his head in his most vulnerable moment.
Right? If she were truly concerned about the proper timing she easily could’ve called his doctor to be told what to do. I’ve had many health problems and my husband has called my doctors many times for help on my behalf. That’s what a loving partner does. Assuming his account is true, she clearly didn’t care, and/or wanted to see him suffer.
I got the sense that she didn't really want him to get better because past his substance abuse, he was a genuinely good guy, and it created a bit of a imbalance in their relationship. She didn't want him to be good because she isn't, and she couldn't have anything over him if he didn't have the drug addiction, if that makes sense.
This was so triggering for me but I love this case. Hearing Amber on those recordings had me having flash backs to my father suddenly having "heart palpitations" whenever I tried to talk to him about his verbal and mental abuse he was doing to me.
The "tell the world you're a victim" line made me so nauseous. Great video. Keep going on this, please.
I tear up every time I hear that clip.