Drum Teacher Reacts: John Bonham 'Whole Lotta Love' - Led Zeppelin (Isolated Drum Track)
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Thank God it wasn't "2020 computer perfect." It actually has life.
One of the biggest issues with music today is that it is perfect.
@@rockinroyle Technically.
He gets it more and more as he watches Led Zeppelin. He starts to recognize that this is part of the Bonham feel. This song wouldn't have been a hit if the drums didn't drag
It has feel, thats what shines through and makes it great. THAT is the difference and THAT is what makes Bonham great. Same applies to Page. If it was more “correct” and rigid it would sound stale and swing less.
Bonham is similar to Page in this way: EMOTION first, technique second.
I am NOT a drummer, nor a musician of any sort.
However, I LOVE stuff like this, because . . . I am a lover of music.
Same
Yes it is Bonham yelling. Not singing along, just emoting to what he is playing. Fucking awesome, no? Truly inspiring!!
Yeah it's great. Common in jazz
@@AndrewRooneyDrums I didn't know that this wasn't more or less a Bonzo trait. Learning never ends.
@@AndrewRooneyDrums Yeah, Jimmy Smith, the organist was constantly 'singing' along.
@@allrequiredfields Since our little exchange above, I have been utterly hooked on Jimmy Smith. I wasn't familiar. And yes he emotes a lot! Thanks for the turn on. Too cool...so glad to know of him now and really diggin' the album "Organ Grinder Swing".
Bernard Purdie grunts, etc, too
All of the bleeding through sounds is not imperfections, its just real..theres even one song were theres a plane passing by and you hear robert saying " nah leave it" and they did...love it..
Agree Rene :)
Black Country Woman....
You need to listen to the full song 1st then the drum track. It all makes sense.
Absolutely!
@@AndrewRooneyDrums The weird transition in the middle makes total sense that way
yes
Bonham was known for his squeaky foot pedals.....its actually a very endearing quality for long-time fans. You can really hear it during the intro to "Since I've Been Loving You." Love it all.
The greatest drummer of all time
One of the best.. I should say Ian Paice and Per Lindvall
Honestly, the isolated track really does not do it justice. It is all about how Bonham is grooving with JPJ and Plant; you cannot get a sense of the groove without them. The way that Bonham comes in behind the beat, like a demented cave man, two bars before each chorus is just an awesome air drumming moment. And the phrasing is just perfect. The congas are just overdubbed for atmosphere, they are a ragged mess in isolation but it all works on the track--as does the "flammy" feeling and the chugging high hat, the fuzzy guitar... The whole song is a shaggy, ambling monster. Turn the volume to 11.
I'm not a drummer. I just love Led Zeppelin.
Awesome Jacob!
Thanks for watching Brother!
A bit of the famous shuffle sound he has. The congas are Plant, JPJ, and Bonzo
Oh wow. Thanks for the info!
I’m not a drummer but have, all of my life, been drawn to and inspired by drumming. It’s the first thing I hear and react to. That’s why I’m here.
As a guitarist, I watch drum videos like yours to get better insight into what makes good drummers good. I get more inspiration from playing with good drummers than anything else, and I can communicate better with them if I have an idea of what the heck they're doing. It's like learning a new language. Keep it up man. Cheers!
Thanks for the shout out! That was Bonham who was going “Ahhh”. Just for fun: I think Bonham was 21 when he recorded this 😳.
WHAAAAAAAAAT!?
Yeah. He said he liked to yell like a bear when playing. Definitely Bonzo yelling.
@@lyndoncmp5751 That's amazing! Love it
20 at the time and NO AUTO TUNE!
@@kevinbrady6075 Freaking awesome
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1968
You’ll never be this great “
He’s noticed he just ran out of vodka “
Remember, Page was one of the primary producers and he was a famous session player. The blead, squeaks, etc, were likely part of the live-raw-vibe he was going for.
100%! Love all the real stuff
I must say I now respect him even more. He just delivered a unique and powerful sound from those drums that I’ve rarely heard from others. In some bands, they do not want the drummer to stand out. But they all stand out…quite incredible really…
This was Pre Woodstock. BONZO was about 20 at the time. Dude, you got to listen to the full song not just the drum track. The whole song is wild and raunchy. I also think they had to record over some stuff cause it was on a 8 track so the previous recording bleeds through. It's a recording error but makes the song amazing! Lots of folks think the Plant echos are an effect but it's really just the previous vocal track bleeding through. Would never happen today with all the digital stuff but it's a mistake that makes the tune great if you catch my drift.
we want the pedal squeaks that what made it real..and classic...recorded in 68
I totally TOTALLY agree!
For sure reminds you a human is playing. Not some robotic computer
@@jimmyboredom3519 YES!
1969
So without that Zeppelin wouldn't have been real and classic?
Watch WLL Royal Albert Hall 1970-that’s where you’ll see John really laying it down- absolutely unmatched! And the percussion part-awesome! Transition was going from the middle section back to the “main” part of the song. Robert recorded the tambourine ahead of time along with John’s bongos & he would sing so loud there were places where he bled through the tape.
I've never heard Bonzo vocalizing on that, but it makes sooo much sense! Watch him on Dazed and Confused on The Song Remains the Same...he works his mouth CONSTANTLY to maintain his own time! (Also...spoiler alert...at the end of the video it looks like the reel has benn speeded up, but that's just how badass he was!)
That's definitely Bonham's voice, he also made lots of grunts and groans in live performances.
Around 6:32 he is not hitting with hands btw he's putting one stick on the snare and then hitting it with the other stick it's a really cool trick imo and he uses it amazingly. Great content man you definitely deserve more subs!
Thanks for the info!
To quote the Noel Gallagher lyric "true perfection has to be imperfect I know that sounds funny but it's true"
Super super interesting! I've never heard this isolated, w the bongos and congas so far up front ina mix, when on the album, they're hidden ina background.
Yep, that was Bonzo yelpin', dude was feelin' it!
😄i enjoyed this!
John Bonham also yells out during "All of My Love" isolated drum track I believe.
The " Tambourine " is a Hat Trick on John Bonham's High Hat. He always had a Hat Trick on his High Hats.
Bonham always growled and screamed through is thunderous fills...
I'm not a drummer, I'm primarily a bass player. I dig Zeppelin.
Legendary bassist as well as drummer in the band!
That's a theremin not guitar, Bonham wasn't sloppy, he had feel and got in the groove.
The exit from the percussions, and the theremin, was right before the guitar solo. If you listen to the song the sounds would make sense.
Thanks. Will have a listen for sure!
@@AndrewRooneyDrums And?
I’m not a drummer or musician but love watching these!
Actually that’s a theremin coming through during Bonzos bongo playing, not a guitar. Jimmy plays that too.
Ah right!
Thank you
It's actually a guitar on these tracks. I have a copy of this and there are two separate tracks of guitar with the vibrato bar and pick scrapes with tape echo. The theremin may have been added at the mixing stage but it doesn't appear on the 8 track master.
@@AndrewRooneyDrums yup not "scary guitar sounds." 😊Page's legendary Theremin playing. And I'm a fellow music lover, not a drummer. I appreciate your unique insights of Led Zeppelin songs. 👌🏽
Yes that was Bonham hollering while beating the skins.
Love it!
Nice one bro! Legendary track and drummer right there.
100% man!
Firstly, that is Bonham growling as he's playing, he was famous for it, there are other isolated tracks where you hear him feeling the beat, and growling like a bear.
Second, check out Since I've Been Loving You on the remastered version, bass pedal squeaks on every beat.
Third, Page always complained about drums sounding like a cardboard box so when he started producing, he used different techniques, distance micing, hallways, etc
Four, the actual track fades so all the stuff at the end is absent on the final cut.
Five, Woodstock was 69. This album was recorded very much on the road during their 69 tour of America. Woodstock was in August, I believe, there may have been an influence but this track may have been recorded by then. I think the album was released in October so not a lot of time for changes or influence, but they may have seen Santana on their tour
Great stuff, regards from Wales
Yeah thats Bonzo on mic he often did backing vocals on many Zep tunes . ... as Robert Plant explained in an interview, as far as looking for imperfection well they often did things that may have seemed that way and Jimmy would just leave it alone because it felt more alive and in the moment ! A lot of music after them especially rock , pop and metal seems so plastic and over produced to the point that it has no human feel at all.
100% agree Ronnie!
Every voice you hear on every Zep song is Plant, except one. Battle Of Evermore. That was Sandy Denny.
@@timothyclark5209 Nah, the others chimed in on backup vocals on one or two songs.
@@timothyclark5209 "Thank You," "Whole Lotta Love," "Tangerine."
@@darrellkastin6738 "Your Time Is Gonna Come"
I never noticed those bongos before. They are fairly low in the mix but great in the track.
Listen to the whole song man.
Will do!
@@AndrewRooneyDrums
Thank you
Try the live version in Song Remains the Same.
@@juliedodge900 I think it's betther the RAH's version. IMO.
He is a drummer so he knows all john bonham tracks...
I loved his drumming on In My Time Of Dying!
the ahhhhh... was Bonham
Love it!
What was he doing? Clowning around or just feelin' it!?
@@AndrewRooneyDrums I think it may have just been fun, he always did alot of weird things in studio like Fool In The Rain and the Robert Plant Bonham argument
@@akatoshsdisciple2909 So good!
Adds character and makes things listenable multiple times finding new things
@@AndrewRooneyDrums i'd say next is Moby Dick, his 15 min solo live... it's a monster
I think Bonham was not clowning. There are many songs where the drum part gets very intense and he screams or just does it because he is very excited.
Even a computer would run the other way against john bonham
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I completely agree with you on how John Bonham could sound sloppy, but I honestly think that was part of Zeppelin's appeal. They could make sloppy sound great! Jimmy Page hits tons of wrong notes and mistakes in live performances as well. It gives it more of an unpolished rock n' roll touch in my opinion.
If you haven't seen it yet, check out Dean Ween's comments on Jimmy Page's live playing in his Guitar Moves interview. Bet you enjoy them.
Love your honesty Andrew 👍👍
Thanks Dean!
Honest is all we can be :)
There was no drum booth, a simple search can explain how Plant set up the space.
I'm not a drummer.
I'm a Led Zep Fan.
And I appreciate your analysis
Bonzo was a BEAST!!
Those guitar sounds are actually Jimmy playing a Theramin
You must really love zeppelin I love them too and I’ve watched an insane amount of videos of them and every time I check the comment section you’re always in there somewhere lol.
That is Bonham’s backing vocals you hear!
the reverb is a binson echorec
Excellent!
@@AndrewRooneyDrums you can get a remake of an echorec by Catalinbread in the form of their echorec pedal. Meant for guitar, so Idk how it'd translate to drums
Out of this world!!!¡ 🌍😉🥁♥️
I like Bonhum's squeakie peddle. It tells me a human is drumming. Thats Bonzo yelling. He did that occasionally.
💯Theresa! Humans playing music! TOGETHER!
You mentioned hearing hardware. On the Since I’ve been Loving You track you can hear the bass pedal squeak. It is quite prominent.
Love it! I really do!
Yup. Once you hear it, you can't miss it forever.
10 years gone too and a telephone in the ocean
If you like the reverb sound on this, get a load of the phaser applied to the entire drum track on "Kashmir". Epic!
Hi again my friend I was watching drum history podcast # 134 about John Bonham it’s very informative i think you’ll like it . He got a snar drum at 10 then a cheap kit around 13 then 18 zeppelin pretty amazing . They also said when he started out he’d go up to the bands and tell them your drummers not to good . And get in to bands . He never had a teacher either . Because he couldn’t get it together with the other drummers .!cheers mate
I will check it out!
Bart is a friend of mine and does an awesome job!
@@AndrewRooneyDrums thank you my friend I’ve been following Zep and mr Page since 1977 I have to say all though I don’t listen to the albums much anymore I still have not got bored , and I still learn something new . A good video to talk about is the Danish tv 69 performance of how many more times you’ll get a better look at Bonham up close and the whole band . Check it out I enjoy your videos even though I don’t play drums I play guitar thanks
I’m not a drummer and I’m watching.
Awesome!
Me too. I guess we are in trouble??? No desert
THANKS!! You've just encapsulated what's wrong with most modern music. The more 'perfect' you want to make music, the less interesting and visceral it gets. That's why people still listen to analogue people playing analogue music. That's why Norah Jones' first CD sold millions, it was real.
Hey Chris! I really doubt how much modern music will survive.
Just a personal opinion. Music made via computer vs via humans.
1:19 I'm not, I'm a guitar player. But I enjoy drums as well and like reactions to great artists
Yeah I didn't mean it in a dicky elitist way.
I meant I'm surprised how many people are watching!
Great to have you watching!!!!
"If you're not a drummer, I don't know why you'd be watching this channel if you're not"
I feel attacked
I heard page talking about how he had got interested in drum mic setups from engineers when he did sessions and how the guys were looking at get bigger more dynamic sounds using multiple mics and different room sizes. Maybe explains the fat led zep drum sound compared to keith moon.
Bonzo was known to sing along at anytime.
Andy,
John was unfreaking real as a drummer. I have seen a video where he put his sticks away. And played with his bare hands - bongo style-like. The man was a true master of his craft!!! He died far too young. As always thank you for your insights!
the "scary guitar sounds' you hear in the drums solo parts are actually played with an amazing instrument called Theremin .. go and check it out!
Nice video. LED ZEPP LIVES ON!
Check out Cassard’s “Blowing Up The Song” really lays out how they recorded all of Whole Lotta Love late summer 1968 Very Interesting!
This was from Zep II from 69 - the same year as Woodstock...
you should just watch an unisolated drum song ..Moby Dick...long solo
Yes that one has been requested a bunch. Need to get on to it.
Make sure you listen to Moby Dick live from the How the West was Won live concert album from 1972. Epic live performance 💪
I'm not a drummer and I'm watching this...in fact, quite a lot of your videos!
Great Richard!
@@AndrewRooneyDrums Thank you, sir! lol
You got it 👍
Changes in BPM, mic bleed, Bonzo groans...it all gives the song SOUL, something which is greatly lacking in today's quantized recording. Today's music is for the most part STERILE.
So true
He was barely 20 years old if not younger when this song was recorded
He notoriously made a lot of vocal noises while playing. Also yes he plays the grace notes. While I think the latin percussion is very sloppy I have always found the groove to be very solid. He keeps a very hard and steady funk feel but mixes up the bass drum pattern a bit which I think gives it more feel
Awesome info. Thank you!
@@AndrewRooneyDrums thank you back! Enjoying the vids.
@@AndrewRooneyDrums ps ya know ya gotta do Moby Dick live right? The famous drum solo. But if you, HAS to be royal albert hall. Not madison square garden. Trust me
@@midkingsteve Might do that next and give you a shout out Good Sir!
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Thank you Sir!
He is using a Binson Echorec on the drums.
I think you missed the most important thing that we can heard (difficult) ... and see with the isolated track (easy with simple ruler)
During the basic rythm , the subdivision of time is neither binaire nor ternaire but betwen twice (from 2:10 to 2:30 for example)
It's the reason why this drum section is very very difficult to do.
Thank you for your videos. It's always a pleasure to watch them
Funny you should describe the guitar as scary sounding. As a child (mid 80s) there was a Saturday afternoon horror show that played horror movies in a double header format. The intro was this song focusing on that instrumental part with all the guitar sounds.
Edit: Did some digging and found it. 8qJOR6hhAYY
Im not a muscician but i love vids like this
Thank you!
When I sing this song I sing, "what a grand amount of love."
HAHA NICE!
Woodstock was 69 and this was recorded a couple of months after in 69 aswell
You have Pages guitar. You have Page during the pause using a synathizer. You have John Paul Jones on base standing by not playing. And you have Robert Plant moaning during the entire drum roll. Followed by a drum introduction unlike the beginning of the song where John Bonham not playing until a solid 15 seconds of Page and Jones playing the rif. Robert Plant like John Bonham is silent. Bonham then enters first with symbols followed by drums ( in the first section. The original recorded song, there are 3 sections that constitute the "Whole lotta love" original recording. The beginning of the second part da dot da dot dot da dot da da dot da dot da dot dot is being played during the second guitar/base rif which is section 3 of 3
Note: at the very end of the song, Robert Plant sings a closing solo end. Followed by Bonham as Plant's fading last lyric; Bonham begins another intro with a simple quick pace hard tapping with one drum dut dut dut dut da daa da dot dot. da daa da dot da on guitar coupled with Jones on electric base. I say electric for a reason while listing the musician. Jimmy Page actually began doing recording sessions work with a non electric stand up base. He ( Page ) then went to an electric base guitar. John Paul Jones also played the acoustical guitar, folk guitar, stand up base, electric base guitar as well as the piano. The organ. The electric piano. And the synthesizer piano that also plays the base. Whether it replicate a non electric stand up base, or the electric base guitar. Robert Plant plays the harmonica and the flute. Page is capable of playing the electric guitar with a slide rail tube. Led Zeppelin has since not only copyrighted their sheet music, but also their actual music(cal) recordings due ( in part of litigation over the opening guitar riffs for "Stairway to Heaven" ) to The United States Congress ( including The Senate as well as The Bill being signed into Law ) Stating that only sheet music is covered by copyright; not the artist actual music. Back to the music. Hear Page dot dot da da dot. Yeah, Page is playing along with Jones just as in the beginning ( section 1 of 3 ) of the song only now with Bonham. This recording is not the original. You have a redo. Look for the recording that doesn't possess the bongos during the drum solo ( section 2 of 3 ).
I wonder how often he even hits the snare on the 4 in this song.
I’m not a drummer & I watch this channel. 🤷🏻♀️ Hey, it’s interesting 😁👍
Hey Andrew. If you are enjoying Bozo also check out his son. The most amazing cover if you search Heart covering Stairway To Heaven. They played it for the remaining members of Zep. Amazing stuff!!
Yes I've seen that Alan. It's unreal man!
What a groove,man he was GOOD.He ain't perfect,but he was special.Today there's more great drummers than back then.His rythmics were special.Man his right foot was really quick(just that was incredible).Pioneers of rock and than metal,taken from the blues foundations.Superb job those 4 made together.What about Neil Peart.He was another who used this strange rythmics,Super cool
I'm not a drummer - why am I watching? I'm a bassist and I need to learn all I can about drummers, their groove, their inspiration and perspective.
And also because John Bonham is my favourite drummer - a sublime musician.
Listen to the whole band together
There is only one Bonham “ ❤️❤️❤️❤️
Nah I saw another one outside like 5 minutes ago!
I feel like the drums are further behind the guitar in this isolated track than in the final mix. Can anyone with a better ear than me confirm? It gives it a very different feel, which I actually prefer.
Non-drummer listening. The staccato of his playing here is badass.
Hey Ted! Glad to have you along!
The spring on the pedal can be heard sqeaking and was nicknamed the mouse
Everything just sounds so bloody good!! Every other drummer sounds like kids on plastic kits 😂
Yeah for real. He is KILLER!
Both Bonham and Moon vocalized a lot as they played, and it sometimes leaks through.
It's crucial to most great drummers.
We were opened up to it at music school
Woodstock was august 69 this album was recorded April - august 69 so no Santana inspiration. Watch the video of Glynn John’s talking about recording this song you’ll learn a lot about this song , and also the first album which he said is probably the best album recorded , because Page was prepared . They did the whole album in 2 weeks I think
Thanks for the info Nick!
Just did Moby Dick!
One thing that really hit me during that video.
Can you actually fathom been there in 1970 and witnessing that?
One thing to watch it on youtube in 2020. Very different being at Albert Hall in 1970.
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Mate, you’ve no clue “ This is iconic
No it's 'whole lotta love' by Led Zep. Are you talking about the Alanis Morrisette song?
''Isn't it iconic.... a little too iconic''
I'm a bassist mister gotta be at drummer to be here
Hey Andrew. Cool stuff man. When you can check out the band The Mighty Untouchables - feel for you (chaka kahn cover) the drummer on that track is beast
Thanks for the request!
@@AndrewRooneyDrums No worries man. Keep up the awesome work.
John Bonham ghosts a lot. a LOT. and it's not supposed to be perfect, but it's not 'sloppy'. music moves, it breathes. if it doesn't, it sucks. feel, soul, vibe, dynamics. that's music. and the transition you didn't 'feel, timing wise' was never meant to be judged as a 'part'. it's an overdub, it fades in and out, purposely. when the snare drum comes back in, it's meant to explode out of the middle in an abrupt manner. but again. you can't judge the overdubs that are used as essentially a background 'feel' as a 2-4 part from one section to the next, because it's not actually a transition, it's just a trippy sounds/noise-effects thing they did. in context, in the song, it's perfect. this raw isolated track isn't what that
'part' actually does in the song. finally, if you follow the hi-hat clicks in that section, into the drum lick, and into the accent hits after, it's dead-on perfect. you should listen to the song before trying to break down it's individual parts.
100% man.
It's what makes it endlessly re listenable
its perfect? he is playing with the song and the others, belive me ,he knows what hes doing,he holding it alive:)
I'm not a drummer and I am watching this channel :)
YES!!!!
I'm assuming you've heard the intro to "When The Levee Breaks"???
Eddie Kramer did the mixing. Page loved it ‘
Great info Richard. Thanks for listening!