The Problem with Medical Analogies
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“You’re gaslighting me with a strawman!”
God, that’s way too real. Why does everyone constantly misuse both of those terms?
Because idiots usually don’t have valid arguments, they just throw buzzwords around to seem intelligent. Also usually they believe they’re right, because as we all know, those types never do their research 🙄
Because they heard them used and didn't understand the objection.
But they assume they do.
For instance, gaslighting doesn't mean contradict. Simply telling someone something other than what they think isn't gaslighting. Even if it is lying, it isn't.
It's only if you are specifically aiming to an making them doubt their own ability to reason.
No one does that. Stop strawmaning. What’s next? You gonna pretend gaslighting actually exists?
It's mostly the people who actually use those techniques but are too dumb to understand how to disprove another's claim, so they just repeat what people said about their arguments
Dude no one does, you're the first example of a strawman I've seen in weeks
Comparing things that are different is literally the entire point of analogies.
Yes... It's very specifically not the same thing
Why can't such be general knowledge to anyone? Okay at the very least people with acess to schools, or even just (and somehow particularly) access to the internet.
I mean, by definition of “Comparison”, referring to two things as different is comparing them
True. You’ll never be a real woman.
@@balladofroses5282yes. It is comparing things that are different but they need to have something in common. In the plumbing-intestine comparison it's the tubular nature and the fact that they both can carry limited amounts of pressure. The rest of the details don't matter in the point of the analogy.
this is like talking to someone who just took their first philosophy class 🤣
Or certain drugs… hmmmm
Equally as intelligent as someone taking shrooms
I was gonna say, I was in freshman classes with this guy in college
Yep, that's a Philosophy 101 student for SURE.
Or anyone that listens to televangelists.
Gaslighting, dude a hole is a hole!
A hole is a goal!
That's what she said
Math is math!
Say that to a lady 😆
@@philip_bray 😂😂😂
You missed the opportunity to say “you’re comparing apples to organs”
😅😅😅
"you're comparing assholes to organs"
I had a perforation in my stomach... I was in so much pain I could never have been such a pain in the arse I couldn't piece a sentence together . But I appreciate the joke.
Yeah… it’s not a perfect analogy…
@@AlanisonYT 🤣🤣👍
A friend of mine from university had a really terrible stomach ache one day when he got up. He was sweating and every movement was basically torture. He went to Uni that day because he had an exam and he took it (in Germany you have to sign a declaration before that you feel able to take the exam, so he could have just not done that, leave and get a waver from a doctor for it later that day). After the exam, he was walking to from our building across the street to the university hospitals ER to get checked out and they rushed him into an operating room because his appendix had ruptured in the morning.
Dude had 95% of the points on his exam that day.
@@midnight8341 He really went: My body can wait
Huh
Me tooooo. I was in an absolute panic and I couldn't explain or even speak either. Unbelievable pain
I've seen those exact people in your shorts comment section and God, I die a little inside every time they do this.
Hell yeah! People wonder why society is shit but act like this. Nothing can be positive nowadays because people think they are smart because google or facebook taught them everything 😂
The gasp at the end… GOTTEM!
"they don't have a warranty by the manufecturer"
Well... If it's not being fixed you will kind of go back there😅
“They don’t have a warranty by the manufacturer, do they?”
“No, but if you don’t get them fixed, all of you will be recalled by said manufacturer.”
@@kyscco24 gon be a permanent recall on your life, no replacement
Omg I’m so sorry to any doctors that have to deal with patients like these. 🤦🏻♂️
They are the Sovereign Citizens of the medical community....
This brings back fond memories of your speed bump video. You know, the one about "speed bumps".
Except that analogy was actually flawed. The proper analogy for the real topic he was talking about would be banning vehicles, not placing a permanent environmental structure to passively prevent the misuse of cars... When you use the proper analogy then it becomes clear how ridiculous the "safety" measures are that he was trying to advocate for...
Also, this video is likely related to the speed bump one, and the argument that "all analogies are flawed" is just straight up incorrect... Even if it was true, it does not strengthen the argument made by the attempted satirical analogy, but rather weakens it. Instead of defending the analogy, the statement "all analogies are flawed" implicitly admits defeat.
Facebook arguments in a nutshell
🤣🤣🤣 good one!!
Too "sophisticated"... I think it's twitter
RUclips too, nowadays, sighs~
Hahaha
Conservative arguments… or well…. Arguments WITH conservatives… I imagine an argument between 2 of them would just a shit eater’s food fight
Sir how did you break your leg?
Oh I didn't break it, it's only fractured
When I saw the first line. I was sure the second was going to be, "Oh my surgeon got so frustrated with me that he left without checking if I needed help getting back into bed. It really wasn't his fault. I made him so mad that, well... I'm pretty impressed that he just left. Anyway, I tripped over something on the floor trying to get back in bed and broke my leg. I think it was a pipe?"
I think that one makes a lil more sense. A break to mean a clean break through and through. A fracture to mean only a partial break, with a small amount of structural integrity still remaining.
@@ashley_smith A fracture is any break in the bone, from minimally displaced all the way up to a segmental fracture where there is no structural integrity left. Therefore a "broken bone" and a "fracture" are the same thing.
It's not really a fracture it's a "solution of continuity"... ortho loves that one
"Well, they said to me 'Break a leg!' So i decided mine was good enough
This is how it feels to talk to my mother omg
I wish I could be this witty and eloquent on the spot.
Practice
Besides, he probably plans these out
same, though don't beat yourself up if even practice doesn't make better
I love how this video itself is an analogy
An analogy video which uses analogy to explain and defend the other analogy videos…I like this meta vibe
Omggg
"Poking holes... like a perforation??" Hahaha
something tells me this isn’t about medicine? 🤔🤔🤔🤔
Isn’t everything about medicine? 😁
Diverticulitis will cause this. It's very painful and is about diet and fiber consumption more than anything. It can cause parts of your intestines to need to be removed.
It's very painful. The pass out from the pain type painful.
But it may be from something else. I just wanted to let you know it doesn't have to be.
Probably about the Katherine that wanted to be called Kay-Kay or the woman forced to donate her kidney to her long lost child
@@sumduma55 really interesting, but I think what they meant is that this kind of argument tends to happen around certain people arguing against proven medical treatments
@@giggabiite4417 ha. I feel silly now. I thought the guy was insinuating the holes were from gerbling or Taiwan bike pumping (which i think is not a real thing unlike anal vodka shots).
I never considered it was about the argument and mentality of the patient itself. Thanks for the heads up.
I literally had this argument with someone upset that they assumed I said something...which they hadn't. So I tried to be like "well no, this is my opinion" and she was like "OH now you're BACKPEDDLING EH??? Your story has so many holes...are you high?!" Which I was but still
Ugh, I hate those types. Yeah sure, put words in my mouth, hear what you want to hear and blame me when you misconstrued what I tried to say. I have regular arguments like this, one thing with a stranger online, way more frustrating with family irl 🤦🏻♀️
@@digitalharmony26 I do it with my family so often that I often just agree with them because it hurts more to be misconstrued than it does to be ignored when you try to explain to someone you love why they're invalidating you....but my mother lives with my family so it happens every day haha
@@CheekieCharlie oh I feel this. I’m sorry you do too 😅
You could've titled this every internet argument w a person that "does their own research" ever
I can't keep up with the messages behind all these medical parables! 😂
Thankfully, this one is literal!
Analogies can’t be perfect, but if you pay attention, you can understand the information the doctor is trying to give you.
Don’t be pedantic about the things being compared not being exactly 1:1.
Your videos are getting so esoteric. Just quote a patient I overheard once: "I busted my gut."
I learned a new word today. Esoteric.
I had a perforation and developed sepsis and I was in so much pain I couldn't talk. I wish I was this snarky. 😂
This is why I no longer use analogies in my marriage. It always leads to analyzing the analogy instead of trying to understand the #$@&ing point.
Oh my god...I couldn't deal with that. I would've strangled my partner before it got that far 😅
The concrete thinker is real. Good job, doctor.
It feels like half the people in the world don't understand analogies.
This is how my mom gaslights me I get so confused I dont remember what we are talking about anymore 😂
OMG right? My SOON TO BE EX HUSBAND did this all the time. So flipping frustrating. His and my careers are based on logic thinking (we're both engineers) so when he did these twists and turns I'd be like WTAF?
My ex husband did that too 🙄
You, sir, are a “rhetoricist”. A pipe dream of mine.
More like a flesh-tube dream 🧐
@@ghostbill1010 Stop! Lol.
"you have intestinal contents leaking into your abdominal cavity and your going to get sepsis and die if we dont fix the hole!"
I would yell this at them. Which is one reason i work with the dead instead.
Man. It really is true. The internet has let them learn just enough to not understand when they’re wrong.
Dude this is so triggering! 😂 I am screaming at this patient. 🙏 Bless the docs with good bedside manner.
My god there’s no arguing with people who refuse to indulge an analogy, I’ve had way too much experience with people like that and it’s truly infuriating.
I really, really appreciate you putting that cathartic resolution at the end!
My mental health would be going downhill quick if this bit didn’t have a cathartic conclusion.
When you can explain it to them, but not understand it for them.
That’s when you turn it around on them “Poking holes in my story? Is my story a physics object that can be punctured?”
Finally! I've been waiting for someone to do a skit mocking ppl that do that. Idk what that's called. But I do know I cut them off & out.
It's called "arguing in bad faith". The goal isn't to get to the truth, but to tear the other person down, regardless of facts.
I was extremely lucky to have a specialist who happily used Analogies to explain Ankylosing Spondylitis to me. It's because of him and my first Specialist Nurse that I have a real understanding of what's happening in my body.
Medical Students - please don't let this sort of patient beat that education skill out of you. Not only is it helpful for the patient's peace of mind, but they can also recognise when something is connected to their condition, and when it's not. Saving you extra work! 😁
Reminds me of another video of yours… 🚗
“You can either argue semantics or I can help fix it. Choice is yours”
The ending 😂
The little gasp was perfect
The wig really is perfect for this charctaer :)
I'm so glad you made this, doctor. It's hilarious and so pertinent. I lost a parent to GI sepsis caused from a perforation in the duodenal duct that led to bile leakage.
"There's a little hole in your intestine. We need to close it up with surgery."
Which is another hole to your abdominal cavity
Thank you! So many people attack the example and completely miss the point.
Ahhh…gotcha!!! Lol. Love it How do you come up with these? Amazing!
You'd be surprised at how often you get patients like this. Lemme tell ya! For some, it's fear-based, like a defense mechanism. They're overwhelmed, afraid of the circumstances, and they kind of half don't understand/half need to push back against someone just to have a tiny sense of control to comfort themselves. For others, they're genuinely just like this & everyone who crosses their path receives the same kind of response.
No matter what, once they're your patient, you do your best to inform them in terms they'll understand and to do so with as much compassion as you can muster.
Some of the patients help medical professionals to find their Oscar-worthy performances time after time.
What a goober. The doctor has a great explanation/analogy/comparison of what was wrong and why he was feeling pain. Just listen and learn something. He's trying to help you.
That was just...beautiful.
This is one of the reasons I stopped arguing with people so much. They would get argumentative about my analogy not being the exact same as the thing I was using as the analogy.
I genuinely believe there is a very significant population of people with no idea what an analogy is.
So the problem with medical analogies is that people are idiots? 🤔
It's more about how certain people choose to respond to his more metaphorical videos (the ones about vaccinations, abortion, trans pronouns etc).
@@Suzanne4415 Such as choosing to respond like an idiot, as shown in the video?
I loved that Gotcha at the end! 😂😂😁
So like wouldn't he be an insane amount of pain if he has a perforation in his stomach lining?
I'm not trying to sound sarcastic I'm asking like a real genuine question like wouldn't that hurt like hell?
Yes it would
Thanks for the video
I have had an issue like this for years from a bad surgery and its great to explain to my friends like this.
Mmmmm representative of ALL arguments knowadays orrrrr a particular one?😅
Oh my word! Arguing with a whole adult child. Bless you cause my bed side manner would have evaporated quickly.
This patient hates speed bumps.
You bet he does!
Talking to people like this is one of the most exhausting things. They project so much. They latch on to something you say, then create a fight where there isn't one, then accuse you of being the problem. This person gave up rather easily, but these people will go round for round until they can accuse you of every fear they have all while making you live their fears. Gah! 😢
When Ben Shapiro is your patient:
I do find it weird when people make a point of dissecting some analogy I've made, missing the point of its use - to save time and use a common, relatedable example that most people would grasp the essentials of.
"Your computer is kind of like a car. Every so often you should get it inspected and have routine maintenance done on it. The ports can get clogged with dust, or parts might wear out and that could be why it's running slowly, but, just like a car, you don't need to throw away the entire thing, just replace the bad part."
"What!? I don't need a license to use a computer! My computer doesn't have spark plugs, or need an oil change!"
I think people just get flustered or wrapped up in tryint to prove that they aren't stupid (they're not stupid, just inexperienced) that they try to poke holes to prove how much smarter than the person trying to help them. It's kind of hard to blame them, but it makes communication over very basic things very aggravating.
i'm loving all of these digs at conservatives lately
Odd, as a moderate I thought this was a dig at the left.
These two comments are just *muah* bone-app-the-tea
Great work, doc.
@@TD-ug4mg both sides sound the same, especially when talking about the other... humans are humans... differing beliefs withstanding
@@theGiver3uhhhh…I think it’s bone apple tea…like duh
🙄
😁😎😉
“Your comparing apples to oranges”
“Yes, it’s like saying that apples are round, like oranges.”
Being a person who us terrified of this and has nearly had this happen due to gastrointestinal disease the pipe anoligy is the best analogy
I had one doctor who made so many analogies in an appointment it was ridiculous. He seemed to take pride in them, but they were very tangental. They were phone appointments so in my last appointment when he was using endless analogies for why I was being discharged without any medical help to begin with, I must admit I was rolling my eyes quite as I said mhmm just to get it finished.
Analogies sometimes help (this one made some sense to me), but can also just confuse things further. Even more so with a neurodivergent patient who may take things literally or come to a different conclusion to what the medical professional is expecting.
I’m glad I’m not a doctor or nurse. It’s like customer service but all the customers are not feeling well and can be grumpy. They even leave bad google reviews, which is wild to me.
Accurate representation of trying to argue with anyone on the internet ever. Also you should have switched to answering his questions with the most obscure medical jargon possible and seen how quick he wanted to go back to analogies.
The patience required to deal with those kind of patients is something I could never manage. If I was in that situation I would start describing it in the most medical way possible that’s indecipherable to someone not in the medical field. Guess that’s why I’ll never be a doctor 😅
That happened to my brother. He was in a vegetative like state so he was unable to express any pain and unfortunately developed sepsis, on top of that he had a tumor in the top of one of his lungs and one of them had collapsed. We unfortunately had to take him off the vent and let him pass but now I get paranoid about everything happening inside my body. I wish I could see inside of it somehow all the time to keep an eye on it
"My intestines don't have a warranty from the manufacturer do they?" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Thanks for the good laugh! 👍
I'm amazed that the patient has the energy to resist that way given his pain level.
imagine this, but with vaccines
I have had patients like this. One of them drifted into insulting me because--my name--and then becoming disgustingly vulgar, and threatening. I had to have security help him out to his car. He got rescheduled to my boss, who made it clear that he would not be tolerating any kind of nonsense from him.
THE G A S P AT THE END IS SO GOOD
No, it comes with a warranty. If it breaks during the first 18 years the manufacturer has to pay for repairs.
The moment you're off your parents' health insurance is when the warranty expires.
"But you-"
"STOP CUTTING ME OFF."
I love analogies, they make it so much easier. I hate people that argue back just to seem smarter than the doctor
Yup, had a foster parent that did this exact thing ANYTIME I used an analogy.
That dude imagined endless comebacks in middleschool that he never got to use and it became his personality.
Well played, Doctor. Well played.
I know this patient! I had many just like him. Exhausting. But these patients challenge us to become better practitioners and develop more patience for our...patients.
Hahahahaa ahhhh I am a medical interpreter and get these types of patients often - it’s like ok sir/ma’am you know better!
When this happened to my mother she was so sick she couldn't poke holes into anything (which was pretty refreshing, ngl).
“Imagine, if you will, a pipe made of flesh”
His move now!
I had a perforation in the descending colon last year. The only question they asked me was, “How do you feel about dilaudid?” Then it was off to surgery land.
This happens with so many comparisons, the thing you need to yell into people ear through a megaphone when they do this is “THE ONLY PERFECT ANALOGY FOR ANY GIVEN THING IS THE THING ITSELF”
Oh my God! Thank you! I was beginning to think that I was wrong in using analogy!
Sometimes so many people do wrong thing altogether that you start to doubt yourself anyway.
But oh my horror! There are people in the States who dont understand an analogy! I have met them, butted heads with them. But never realised it until this video. Till now I was thinking that maybe I was doing something wrong.
The amount of times someone does this to me over so many different things is insane.
"pipes aren't made of flesh"
Looks like someone has never played Silent Hill.
😂 this is like trying to talk to my neurodivergent brain sometimes. I usually keep quiet, but every once in a while I just get too stuck on the facts and have to ask someone to come up with a diff analogy so that I can pay attention lol
"Like a perforation?" "Gasp"❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
I started silently screaming the second I heard perforation the mental picture nearly took me down
I use electrical wiring to explain my MS all the time
Basically your intestines have a hole because something that we don't know about increased the pressure inside too much, we gotta close it up or whatever's mixing with the biological stew of bacteria in your body right now is going to cause an infection and that's just more work on everyone
This is excellent. You are so funny . I am going out in a minute but this is absolutely wonderful to cheer me up. Thank you so very much. Kindest regards. A great doctor for sure!!!!
Thank you!
That gasp at the end was just perfect! KEKW
"It's a flesh pipe"
"The warranty expired"
"Yes it will"
"Your mother"
I had an accident when playing hockey and ended up in the hospital for thee days. It ended up being a lacerated kidney, which sounds badass, but it was really just a small cut on my kidney that didn’t even need surgery. I literally just sat in the hospital for 3 days watching tv. However, internal bleeding turns out to hurt like a bitch.
Patient: "pipes aren't made from flesh"
Doctor: "...yet."
"now your trying to gaslight me" know what sir your absolutely right. your totally fine. go on home. that pain might get a bit worse but just keep taking pain killers until its gone
Guarantee this was an online conversation he probably had too, but acted out for us Word for Word too I bet 🤣🤣