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  • Опубликовано: 13 фев 2008
  • Buddy & his band on the Val Doonican show circa 1979 from Anty.Buddy shouts something like'Go ahead old man'to Steve Marcus as they launch into Love for Sale.The soloists are:Andy Fusco,Mike McGovern,& Steve Marcus

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  • @mcgovnor1
    @mcgovnor1 13 лет назад +55

    the trumpet soloist is me! Mike McGovern..and thanks for taking note..no..pun intended!

    • @GeneTrujillo
      @GeneTrujillo 6 лет назад +7

      I was noticing, kick ass trumpet solo!

    • @cryptohunt2552
      @cryptohunt2552 6 лет назад +4

      Michael McGovern Still playing, Mike?

    • @Nomfyy
      @Nomfyy 6 лет назад +9

      He is sadly no longer with us.

    • @tuxguys
      @tuxguys 6 лет назад +5

      But his RUclips account lives on...

    • @arame29
      @arame29 4 года назад +4

      Mike you nailed it! Very unique. When Buddy reacts like that, you know its special

  • @philipsummers9682
    @philipsummers9682 2 месяца назад

    My favourite tune performed by Buddy and his incredible big band , .. to witness the band live as I did several times , awesome 👍

  • @JonathanVieker
    @JonathanVieker 5 лет назад +9

    Mike McGovern KILLING it at 3:36. Even Buddy is impressed at 3:43. RIP, Mike.

  • @kungfuninja55
    @kungfuninja55 12 лет назад +3

    Every time I see a big band it reassures me that Big Band is the best music genre out there.

  • @lalva5798
    @lalva5798 3 года назад +2

    Buddy commanded perfection which is why they’re so incredibly tight...AMAZING!

  • @michaelives1018
    @michaelives1018 3 года назад +1

    His intensity is unmatched. It’s like an over wound spring breaks loose on his single stroke fill. Wow!!!!!

  • @JoeNocella
    @JoeNocella 14 лет назад +6

    Buddy was about 62 yrs.old here. He was so youthful and energetic. He is a total inspiration to any drummer alive today. He never thought about getting old and that's probably why he was so great until the day he died. We miss you Buddy.

  • @jsbruzina
    @jsbruzina 14 лет назад +3

    I swear, Buddy is bionic with those single strokes ...... damn!

  • @ralphhale5711
    @ralphhale5711 7 лет назад +5

    Great performance. Gotta love when the sound engineers get it right.

  • @GosokuRyuYodan
    @GosokuRyuYodan 3 года назад +3

    Very spirited version! Notice Buddy giving props to trumper player, who wailed! Never seen Buddy impressed like that!

  • @polara01
    @polara01 6 лет назад +2

    OMG 3:43 - 3:58 Pure trumpet heaven! Never heard a trumpet passage played in such a smooth, melodic fashion with breathtaking dynamics...the look of approval coming from Buddy says it all. Thank God this was captured on film for all to enjjoy! Mike that was phenomenally inspiring, and I'm a drumme lol. Thanks, Bob Marsz

    • @bigswingface5847
      @bigswingface5847 6 лет назад +1

      Mike McGovern, one of B's better trumpet soloists, who sadly died this year.

  • @MarkR1957
    @MarkR1957 15 лет назад +1

    MrDrumact - This snare here is the Ludwig SupraPhonic chrome over steel shell, the same one that Joe Morello made so popular.
    When Buddy was with Ludwig, he used this one and also a bronze shell snare.
    Contrary to what you have been told, I have never seen Buddy use a Black Beauty with his set ~

  • @cadillacdude1975
    @cadillacdude1975 16 лет назад +2

    i have seen Buddy's band play this song several times here on RUclips, and i think that this is the tightest i have heard his band perform this song to date.
    on another note, the Ludwig drums have a perfect sound and with the drum break towards the end, is the best i have heard this song wrapped up also.
    RIP Buddy and Steve.

  • @kimrunic5874
    @kimrunic5874 9 лет назад +3

    My all time favourite BR arrangement

  • @bigd-1-channel514
    @bigd-1-channel514 7 лет назад +2

    Ya man, that was great to see and hear.

  • @keatswilson
    @keatswilson 16 лет назад

    Its so nice to hear a group of musicians play with such precision. The solos were brilliant and you could tell that the performers were enjoying every moment of it. 5*

  • @kahjazz
    @kahjazz 10 лет назад +3

    No comment. Best.

  • @Fencemaster
    @Fencemaster Год назад

    Ah well thanks AGAIN MikeBuddy for another great post.
    I'm sat at my desk here looking at a TDK D-C90 (audio cassette) I recorded off the TV on to, when I was fourteen, with one of those ancient piano key cassette recorders with a built-in condenser microphone.
    I'd been taken by my dad to see BR & his orchestra live for the first time ever (after thirteen years of my dad playing him on vinyl most days) at the Davenport Theater, in Stockport, near Manchester here in the UK, the previous year to this.
    For me it's just not about Buddy Rich being 'really good at drumming', that's more the Weckls / Colaiutas of the world. Buddy Rich WAS the drums as far as I was concerned, but it was always way more than that.
    There was the show business legacy too. The ridiculous stories about Vaudeville when he was 18 months old, the Tommy Dorsey, Frank Sinatra, Count Basie pedigree and accompanying stories / legends / urban myths.
    If you've ever read the harrowing Sammy Davis Jnr biography, 'YES I CAN', you'll know there was way more to Buddy Rich than just being 'a really good drummer'. Look out for it if you haven't read it, add it to your Christmas list this year. Even Miles Davis had good words to say about him. How many other drummers have you seen as guests on TV chat shows or TV shows like this one in the past - I don't know - in the many years since we lost Buddy?
    Anyway, that's what you got, when turfing up at the now long-since demolished theater in Stockport, on a bleak, cold North West night. Your dad chain smoking Benson & Hedges, while driving the Austin Maxi, a terrible 1970s British car, from Warrington, an equally terrible British town (with nothing going for it apart from easy access to the M6 and M56).
    You got a short glimpse into another world, one that seemed a long way from the harsh daily reality of life.
    That's why these even shorter TV appearances were like gold dust then, why I've hung on to that C-90 for 43 years.
    That's a long way of saying THANKS FOR POSTING!

  • @Bluesman549
    @Bluesman549 11 лет назад +2

    I've been listening to Buddy do this song (and many others) for years. I've seen him play it in every type of setting, etc. In spite of this, the riffs he played in this version between 5:00 and 5:30 had me jumping off of my chair and laughing. I gave up playing drums seriously many years ago after I heard this guy. Nobody has ever been able to do what he could do with a big band.. Nobody. Ever. Period.

    • @blockhax6146
      @blockhax6146 7 лет назад

      Bluesman549 that roll feel is fucking incredible. he's got such a style that is just un matched by anyone today

    • @Johnnycdrums
      @Johnnycdrums 5 лет назад +1

      If you're not first, you're last,......... is a bad way of thinking.

  • @spencerholman8653
    @spencerholman8653 8 лет назад +2

    trumpet solo magic

  • @tuxguys
    @tuxguys 6 лет назад

    (I don't care what decade it is, what incarnation of this band it is, I never get tired of this arrangement.)
    Rich, with tenor sax veteran Steve Marcus (who is brilliant, as always), knocks the socks off of a British, all-Caucasian, largely-Wasp audience, with American Music...
    ...which means directly (Big Band Swing and Jazz), and indirectly (American Musical Theater/Cole Porter)...
    African-American Music.
    And all of this, just about a year before he handed me my diploma, upon my graduation from the World's Most Famous Music School, in Boston.

  • @6801ls350
    @6801ls350 11 лет назад

    The funnest band to ever watch!!!

  • @johnastrup1549
    @johnastrup1549 2 года назад

    At the end BUDDY playes the Best drive/swing.💪🥁⭐🇺🇲

  • @philenns6797
    @philenns6797 8 лет назад +2

    HOT .... all the way down the line!

  • @Mink-yu8nu
    @Mink-yu8nu 4 года назад +1

    I bet those Ronnie Scott's shows were amazing.

  • @Commandergree143
    @Commandergree143 11 лет назад

    I LOVE BUDDY'S MUSIC!!!!!

  • @drummerboy2521
    @drummerboy2521 3 года назад +1

    I just love what he always do at 5:21

  • @groucho70
    @groucho70 15 лет назад

    This music IS alive and well and is being played by Chad Rager. I've seen him live with his 8pc band the Chad Rager Groove and he and they smoke!
    Someone told me he's putting together a full big band to tour with. . . that should be AWESOME!

  • @mikebuddy1
    @mikebuddy1  16 лет назад +2

    i don't believe this.Mike McGovern you are one of my fav.players on buddys band at that time.i've just got a post from Glenn Franke Tmb.who was in that band 78-81.I loved your playing on Joy Spring.I'm putting up another vid of you with buddy's band, Montreux 78 (mellow tone) buddy's reaction while you're playing that solo says it all.Thanks man

  • @harrysmallenburg
    @harrysmallenburg 16 лет назад

    Great! Great! Great! Ferocious playing. Thanks for posting this.

  • @mikebuddy1
    @mikebuddy1  15 лет назад

    My drum teacher had a set of Fibes which i used to play on and they sounded great.He was sponsered by Premier,yet he loved the sound of those Fibes Drums.

  • @tomcalderaro7164
    @tomcalderaro7164 7 лет назад +1

    Very nice.

  • @Startac2007
    @Startac2007 7 лет назад +1

    Wooooo!!!!

  • @ernestovai7597
    @ernestovai7597 4 года назад

    That trumpet solo wowww!!!

  • @rhampton1914
    @rhampton1914 15 лет назад

    Let's nor forget about the Bass Player. I am really hearing some serious grooves. I think he's awesome at that Bass.

  • @bedrock2000
    @bedrock2000 11 лет назад

    that was awesome! As good as he gets!

  • @bigbreadeaterellis
    @bigbreadeaterellis 16 лет назад

    now this is a rare video clip!
    i remember the val donican show from the 70s
    but can't remember seeing this...thanks mike

  • @Beauxdeauxfinglok
    @Beauxdeauxfinglok 14 лет назад

    Wish I could have just hung out with Buddy once.

  • @bedrock2000
    @bedrock2000 11 лет назад

    very cool-original and imaginative!

  • @waltgdrums1
    @waltgdrums1 10 лет назад

    A bit blurry but the snare looks to me to be a Ludwig Super Sensitive which is basically a Supraphonic with extended snare wire mechanism/strainer. Saw Buddy live at least 30 times between 1972-1986. First time @ Buddy's Place in NYC with the sextet. Basie and Illinois Jacquet sat in that night. Magic. I miss Buddy.

  • @huyhoquocho
    @huyhoquocho 16 лет назад

    I just had an audition at Kean University and Prof. Fusco loved me =].

  • @acedrumminman
    @acedrumminman 15 лет назад

    Lead Alto..Chuck Wilson...Irst Tenor..Steve Marcus...Andy Fusco, Gary Pribeck, Turk Mauro

  • @davidhinton3595
    @davidhinton3595 2 года назад

    The ever solid Steve Marcus.

  • @julesickdrums
    @julesickdrums 15 лет назад

    thats an awesome sax

  • @TheEddieLandsberg
    @TheEddieLandsberg 4 года назад

    Are the twelve people who thumbed down this people who got balled out on the bus on the famous BR tapes? :-o LOVE FOR SALE is my favorite BUDDY RICH arrangement. I think its because you get to hear Buddy's enormous drive even in the role of accompanist. The energy is just SO there on each and every note (not that it wasn't typical of him, but I think this arrangement is TEXT BOOK Buddy!)

  • @mikebuddy1
    @mikebuddy1  15 лет назад

    Happy Birthday Dude!

  • @acrookedking
    @acrookedking 13 лет назад +1

    The sweater is what gives him his drumming powers...

  • @MarkR1957
    @MarkR1957 15 лет назад

    Dawson used his Fibes set for this recording, and as far as cymbals, not sure of his crash and hats, but I know he used to use an A Zildjian Mini Cup Ride from time to time.
    He was a Zildjian endorser ~

  • @stefanodeblasio
    @stefanodeblasio 3 года назад

    Oh my God!

  • @nifer279
    @nifer279 12 лет назад

    AWESOME DRUMMER

  • @cadillacdude1975
    @cadillacdude1975 16 лет назад

    yeah Steve left us in '05 i do believe. he was 66 if memory serves. wikipedia is where i saw it.

  • @arame29
    @arame29 9 лет назад +2

    One of the better versions, the tempo is a little more relaxed although not as slow as the one on Big Swing Face.
    Fusco, Mcgovern and Marcus all shine as well as strong ensemble playing.
    Wayne Pedziwater on bass, RIP great talent.

    • @tunefultonyjohnson4100
      @tunefultonyjohnson4100 8 лет назад +1

      +Andrew Chaplowit ::: On the "Big Swing Face" album, Buddy got the tempo of LOVE FOR SALE exactly right, but here it feels too rushed and too much like a f**king express train... Sorry, but that's just my honest opinion, buddy.

    • @erzug
      @erzug 8 лет назад +2

      +tunefultony johnson Based on most, if not all, of the RUclips videos of Buddy playing this tune, including the half dozen times I saw him perform LFS live during the late 60's, 70's, and 80's, the tempo on the album was the slowest I've ever heard.

    • @Johnnycdrums
      @Johnnycdrums 5 лет назад

      @@tunefultonyjohnson4100 ; I don't mind this tempo nearly as much as the way he played "Machine" live many times.
      I just love the studio recorded tempo of "Machine" from the album "The New One" (1967).

    • @Johnnycdrums
      @Johnnycdrums 5 лет назад

      @@erzug ; I feel the tune works best at uptempo stripper rhythm, while at the same time realizing you can get away with a higher speed if performed as an instrumental.
      The last live Harry James version I watched on RUclips is almost unrecognizable to me as "Love For Sale" although the tempo is, in my mind, what the tune calls for, if done instrumentally.

  • @marksevel7696
    @marksevel7696 3 года назад

    Insane perfection

  • @bedrock2000
    @bedrock2000 11 лет назад

    he's great!

  • @screamingismyair
    @screamingismyair 13 лет назад +1

    we're playing for our jazz abnd concert

  • @davidmalick6608
    @davidmalick6608 9 лет назад +2

    That was fast!

  • @mikebuddy1
    @mikebuddy1  15 лет назад

    Will do that thanks.
    One of my fav.Brubeck albums is we're all together again for the first time (rec.live in europe '73) with dawson extending on take five.Don't know what drums he is using but the drums & cymbols sound great.

  • @cadillacdude1975
    @cadillacdude1975 14 лет назад

    that was the master.

  • @cadillacdude1975
    @cadillacdude1975 14 лет назад

    love the hi-hat fill leading into Steve's solo at 4:11 to 4:13 .

  • @as5a900
    @as5a900 3 года назад

    That guy has got some balls to lean on Buddy's drums!

  • @60march
    @60march 10 лет назад +2

    5:14!!!!!! Holy Moly

    • @KenLongTortoise
      @KenLongTortoise 6 лет назад

      the best 5 sec of what it means to be buddy rich

  • @romodig
    @romodig 15 лет назад +2

    One of my favorite arrangements. I heard it live in NYC. Buddy "drives" the band in this song like Michael Schumacher drives a Formula one race car. They did this arrangement on "Burning for Buddy" but can't approach the way he does it. Does anyone remember the name of the lead sax player? He's simply great. Thanks, Rob

  • @loudrimshot
    @loudrimshot 13 лет назад

    @Tiahur76 It's still out there. Big band is alive and well. I play in an 18 piece big band. It is the most fun I have ever had as a drummer.

  • @mcgovnor1
    @mcgovnor1 14 лет назад +2

    @moscaw
    hi i'm the trumpet soloist
    mike m

  • @larrysmith6797
    @larrysmith6797 2 года назад

    Back when Steve Marcus and Stan Mark on Maynard's band were vying for biggest hair.

  • @MarkR1957
    @MarkR1957 15 лет назад

    Good eye there, MB1. Yep, that photo on the album cover, originally titled "Rich in London", shows B with his Fibes chrome over fiberglass snare.
    Of course, since B had one, I had to get one, and I did, and I must say it was a pretty nice snare, IF you tuned it right. On that album, B's sounds great, but, on the "At the Top" video, it could sound better. Maybe in the recording, who knows.
    Buddy was seldom happy with his snare drums ~

  • @JeanieBarton
    @JeanieBarton 13 лет назад

    They were definitely holding something back..

  • @arame29
    @arame29 4 года назад +1

    Wayne on bass Mike on jazz tpt Steve Marcus on tenor RIP

  • @edellis515
    @edellis515 Год назад

    Mike your trupet solo is GREAT!!!!!!! Hey how i reach James Martin??
    Thanks

  • @Skinslayer1
    @Skinslayer1 15 лет назад

    You put your finger on it when you said "music industry". Because that's what it is, an industry. They push and push and drown us in the rubbish that is popular. Buddy does what seems humanly impossible, but it takes a lot of drumming time before you can appreciate that, and that's the problem with any instrument or art form. I have this clip recorded from the TV on a reel audio tape around 1970. Great to see it again on video after 35+ years.STILL can't get that single stroke at the end though!

  • @kalamia1000
    @kalamia1000 11 лет назад

    Ludwig Drums and Zildjian cymbals
    He reverted back to his normal, long time Slingerland drums ,later

  • @CribNotes
    @CribNotes 14 лет назад

    at 5:13 what the hell is that?? It's like he switched on a blender - perfect precision!

  • @Commandergree143
    @Commandergree143 11 лет назад

    5:14 DAM!!!!!

  • @mcgovnor1
    @mcgovnor1 14 лет назад +2

    walter..i'm the trumpet soloist....

  • @neri65
    @neri65 15 лет назад

    this was uploaded on my birthday ;D
    lol thanks for the vid i really enjoyed it
    buddy is just the best!

  • @neri65
    @neri65 15 лет назад

    lol ty man :P

  • @justinodowd4182
    @justinodowd4182 9 лет назад

    No draging or rushing.

  • @mikebuddy1
    @mikebuddy1  16 лет назад

    I agree,The BBC guys knew what thay were doing when it came to sound & usually got it right,whereas the us broadcasts (carson)the sound does'nt come across as good IMO,also buddy sometimes did'nt use his own kit.Don't tell me Steve Marcus has left us?He was'nt that old was he?

  • @rdangelo
    @rdangelo 16 лет назад +1

    Nice playing, Mike. I was only 13 when this was recorded, but I remember your name on some studio album from Walter Murphy(?) Does that mean anything? Is that Coassin on lead?

  • @blockhax6146
    @blockhax6146 7 лет назад

    this is one of their tightest versions of it. it's a bit more up tempo than usual and the bass player is on the ball.

  • @pedrex78
    @pedrex78 11 лет назад

    happy birthday first of all, and that¨s when destiny calls no casualty... for some reason, that¨s whay we all knows him that¨s his legacy, and we keeping him alive!! excuse for my english dudes!!! to much emotions at one time!!!

  • @MarkR1957
    @MarkR1957 11 лет назад

    Dawson was using Fibes at that time with Brubeck.

  • @WalterMosca
    @WalterMosca 14 лет назад

    Mike Mc which one are you? great great music for sure...

  • @jazztrump9
    @jazztrump9 14 лет назад

    @arcwelder9999
    yes, yes he does lol

  • @mikebuddy1
    @mikebuddy1  15 лет назад

    MarkR1957
    It looks like buddy is using a Fibes crome snare on the cover of the double album 'live at ronnie scotts' circa 1972would i be correct ?

  • @schilke237
    @schilke237 13 лет назад

    Trumpet solo was a little outta context for my own taste, but after all, mcgovern seemed like he was holding back, nice chops my friend. And tell whoever was playing lead he shouldn't have been there.

  • @neri65
    @neri65 15 лет назад

    haha 0:44 Buddy: Yes, i know!, i kick your ass.. yes I'm the best i know. ;P

  • @mikepritchett100
    @mikepritchett100 14 лет назад

    check out mike pritchett drum solo you tube

  • @ja14732
    @ja14732 10 лет назад +1

    Hard to believe that Buddy Rich was such a real life a**hole, with music this amazing.

    • @adeduction
      @adeduction 10 лет назад +2

      With talent (genius) that amazing I doubt that Rich was a real life a**hole.
      Only stupid people are a**holes & Rich was not stupid. He was a colossus & he knew it & so he was (sometimes) arrogant & cocky. So what? If he really was a bad person he (like most bad people) would hide it & 'pretend' he was good just like every body else did (& does). Rich didn't care what the average person thought (of him) because he was not & never wanted to be 'average'. He cared about his peers & in turn he was respected & admired by his peers. As a band leader of young musicians he practiced 'tough love' & thus he helped them by criticizing them when they did not play well. Rich, like all great artists only cared about & answered to a higher calling - his art - perfection - artistry. Cocky & arrogant he was (at times) but never a real life a''hole. I don't think Rich was an exception to John Keat's premise about 'the impossibility of being a good poet and not be good' (i.e. not be a good person).

    • @ja14732
      @ja14732 10 лет назад

      adeduction Your opening statement, that only stupid people are a**holes, is horribly inaccurate. Many intelligent people over the years have been utter a**holes, including Richard Nixon, who basically ended China's declaration of isolationism and opened them to the world. Nixon was no idiot, but he spied on his enemies and used underhanded tactics to stay in power. That's one definition of an a**hole.
      He was an amazing musician, no doubt, but let's not forget that he didn't write all of his songs, and that he had a horribly short temper. He may have meant well, to be fair, but the Musiker tapes made during tour show that he had a horrible temper and that working with him was difficult, to say the least. I'm not insulting the music, but it's true that he acted like, for the most part, a total jerk.

    • @6801ls350
      @6801ls350 10 лет назад +1

      adeduction Buddy had zero tolerance for ignorance especially with the stuff he rehearsed with the band! He expected everyone in the the band to put forth full effort and plus like he did. NO EXCEPTIONS! The music was very important sound wise to him.

    • @adeduction
      @adeduction 10 лет назад +2

      Joe Michalski Why do you think Nixon was intelligent? You're confusing cunning and artifice with intelligence. Politicians are similar to most people, i.e., are fakes and phonies - dissemblers - pretend to be something they really are not - ie competent. In my opinion a fake and phoney is also stupid. But being stupid doesn't mean you can't become a billionaire and be elected President of the U.S. Didn't JC on the cross say:'Forgive them father, for they know not what they do." I.e., 'Forgive them for being stupid.' Nixon was too dishonest and too phoney to be a great artist like Rich and Rich was too honest - too himself - and not mediocre enough to be a politician. Rich knew that if he focused on his art and the perfection of his music i.e., his band - he couldn't but help the young musicians in his band more than he hurt their feelings. What's wrong with someone trying to help become a better person or musician? The truth makes us more aware. this is why 'The truth hurts but is also cures.' Chinese proverb. That's why Rich was such a colossus.

    • @tunefultonyjohnson4100
      @tunefultonyjohnson4100 8 лет назад

      +Joe Michalski :: "He didn't write all of his songs...." ?? ---"Buddy Rich didn't write ANY of his tunes, they were all arranged especially for him and his Big Band from tunes written either as standards, or written as original music from the pens of arranger/composers such as Bob Florence, Don Mintzer, or Bill Holman.

  • @TheColbles2009
    @TheColbles2009 15 лет назад

    MrDrumcat, Buddy Rich normally used Ludwig Black Beauty snares, and sometimes he used Slingerland Radio King snares.

  • @user-ne2zw3lv1i
    @user-ne2zw3lv1i 11 лет назад

    このラブフォウセールは、演奏するバンドが多いですね。

  • @DavePlaysTrombone
    @DavePlaysTrombone 14 лет назад

    Maybe it's the way they were recorded, but this isn't one of Buddy's best bands. Kinda sounds like they were just going through the motions. Buddy sounds incredible as always though.

  • @RockMacDonald23
    @RockMacDonald23 11 лет назад

    5:14 whaa?

  • @johnjensen4984
    @johnjensen4984 3 года назад

    Steve Markus /Buddy Rich yuu CAN find better one. LOVE FOR SALE with swing and drive. 👏👏

  • @erzug
    @erzug 9 месяцев назад

    If that was a toupee he was wearing, he needed to get his money back.

  • @scatmando
    @scatmando 12 лет назад

    Buddy worked them hard but he got the best out of them, but not my favorit ''love for sale'' by BD

  • @StixH
    @StixH 11 лет назад

    Ascerbic wit! I bet he made Val feel really uncomfortable!

  • @KoolerDunIce
    @KoolerDunIce 11 лет назад

    Yes, these guys are good but now listen to the same number by genius Oscar Peterson.... pure feeling !
    /watch?v=TxO_QORHNmI

  • @KayJayHP
    @KayJayHP 11 лет назад

    As awesome as each section's cohesive playing is, it has ro be tempered by the fact that a major ass-chewing would follow anyone playing a "clam."

  • @bedrock2000
    @bedrock2000 11 лет назад

    that's nonsense