Most adults are overweight or obese. For the experts who say 1.2g protein/kg body weight, is that actual body weight, ideal body weight, target body weight, or something else?
Good question. It's the aevegre requirement but if bmi for instance is on the high side likely lean towards the lower end of the reccomemdations its really a range the rda
And the answer is... waiting... waiting... waiting... Stu Phillips: 1.2 to 1.6 g /kg of body weight. Chris Gardner: Anything over RDA is probably superfluous. As polite and respectful as they are to each other, there was no consensus.
The problem is that Dr Phillips has received lots of money and funding from the meat, dairy, egg and protein powder industries. This doesn't invalidate his research but raises problems
Dr Stuart Philiips has received lots and lots of funding from the meat, dairy, and egg industries. As well as specific funding from the whey protein powder industry. Dr Chris Gardner, on the other hand, has received funding for only one study from Beyond Meat, a vegan meat company. This doesn't negate what they are saying but should be kept in mind when evaluating what they are saying.
It has been well established that sarcopenia is primarily the result of: Starvation; anorexia or other eating disorders, and also being bedridden. As long as a person eats the required calories and moves their body, muscle wasting does not occur.
Here in India, poor men usually do hard manual labour all day and definitely don't get even close to 0.8g/kg and yet are well chiselled for their height on a diet of mostly starch.
Wanting a change because it's been over 10 yr's so time is not a good solution unless the math shows the results for change. I dislike science by speculation. My muscle continues to grow with only 14% protein macro for past 3 yrs with a daily (250) cal deficit avg each yr. I'm on a roll at 62 & now targeting my high school weight in future taking it slow. In 2022 I avg 5400 daily steps & this yr at 9400 going for a walks 6 days a week in 2023. Does you muscle change shape & grow more on higher protein levels >100g? I say no only those promoting protein products with marketing seem to what those levels. Dr Gundry says you only need 30g like 2.5 daily eggs so my results are in his camp!
The instant someone says a good thing about the keto diet I know you’re a ding dong. The only thing that matters is long term health outcomes. The kd is consistently ranked as the worst diet for humans for almost every “study” done. I “quote” the word study because there are so few studies that have any real merit showing the kd. Let’s not forget that cancer loves protein and an environment of too much protein leads to a shorter sicker life. We can observe this by looking out your window. Many many millions of people dying early that consume waaaaaaaaaay too much protein. Dr Gardner is right as usual here. The other dude is simply wrong on this one.
A few people need, for medical reasons, a ketogenic diet. To say that long term health outcomes are the only thing that matters says more about you than the other 8 billion people who don’t share your beliefs. Perhaps you could focus harder on what comes out of your mouth than on what goes in to everyone else’s.
@@dianabenjamin7837 Yes, and as you probably already know, heavy protein consumption can break you out of ketosis. Excess protein is broken down and mostly converted to glucose by the liver in gluconeogenesis. So when the original commenter said “cancer loves protein”, that’s not how that works. Though maybe they were talking about the star sign.
Most adults are overweight or obese. For the experts who say 1.2g protein/kg body weight, is that actual body weight, ideal body weight, target body weight, or something else?
Good question. It's the aevegre requirement but if bmi for instance is on the high side likely lean towards the lower end of the reccomemdations its really a range the rda
And the answer is... waiting... waiting... waiting...
Stu Phillips: 1.2 to 1.6 g /kg of body weight.
Chris Gardner: Anything over RDA is probably superfluous.
As polite and respectful as they are to each other, there was no consensus.
The problem is that Dr Phillips has received lots of money and funding from the meat, dairy, egg and protein powder industries. This doesn't invalidate his research but raises problems
Dr Stuart Philiips has received lots and lots of funding from the meat, dairy, and egg industries. As well as specific funding from the whey protein powder industry. Dr Chris Gardner, on the other hand, has received funding for only one study from Beyond Meat, a vegan meat company. This doesn't negate what they are saying but should be kept in mind when evaluating what they are saying.
I'm still confused. Do we use lean body weight or lean mass (muscle, bone and water)?
Please have Prof. Joe Millward on.
It has been well established that sarcopenia is primarily the result of: Starvation; anorexia or other eating disorders, and also being bedridden. As long as a person eats the required calories and moves their body, muscle wasting does not occur.
Most of the population is overweight/obese yet they are under muscled
The RDA is great for a person who sits at an office job or only goes on walks for their exercise.
Not true. The RDA is not the minimum but is more than what most people need.
@@Mrm1985100 Correct, the RDA is two standard deviations above what is considered to minimum.
He’s right about old people…… you ever see them eat?
Most seem to eat not much more than bread and butter/jam and canned soup and a banana.
Here in India, poor men usually do hard manual labour all day and definitely don't get even close to 0.8g/kg and yet are well chiselled for their height on a diet of mostly starch.
Wanting a change because it's been over 10 yr's so time is not a good solution unless the math shows the results for change. I dislike science by speculation. My muscle continues to grow with only 14% protein macro for past 3 yrs with a daily (250) cal deficit avg each yr. I'm on a roll at 62 & now targeting my high school weight in future taking it slow. In 2022 I avg 5400 daily steps & this yr at 9400 going for a walks 6 days a week in 2023. Does you muscle change shape & grow more on higher protein levels >100g? I say no only those promoting protein products with marketing seem to what those levels. Dr Gundry says you only need 30g like 2.5 daily eggs so my results are in his camp!
1.1 gram/kg as a rational minimum (?)
Dr Phillips is talking a lot, but not saying much. Nonsense.
The instant someone says a good thing about the keto diet I know you’re a ding dong. The only thing that matters is long term health outcomes. The kd is consistently ranked as the worst diet for humans for almost every “study” done. I “quote” the word study because there are so few studies that have any real merit showing the kd. Let’s not forget that cancer loves protein and an environment of too much protein leads to a shorter sicker life. We can observe this by looking out your window. Many many millions of people dying early that consume waaaaaaaaaay too much protein. Dr Gardner is right as usual here. The other dude is simply wrong on this one.
A few people need, for medical reasons, a ketogenic diet. To say that long term health outcomes are the only thing that matters says more about you than the other 8 billion people who don’t share your beliefs. Perhaps you could focus harder on what comes out of your mouth than on what goes in to everyone else’s.
A true keto diet is not high protein it's high fat.
@@dianabenjamin7837 Yes, and as you probably already know, heavy protein consumption can break you out of ketosis. Excess protein is broken down and mostly converted to glucose by the liver in gluconeogenesis. So when the original commenter said “cancer loves protein”, that’s not how that works. Though maybe they were talking about the star sign.