Reflecting on the Sly Cooper Franchise
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- With rumors floating around mentioning that Sly Cooper may be on its way to the PlayStation 5, it is time to reflect. This is one of my all time favorite video game franchises as you fill the shoes of Sly Cooper, thieving your way through various locales with the help of Bentley and Murray. The writing is criminally underrated, the gameplay design is impeccable, and that art style has aged wonderfully.
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Well if nothing comes of the Sly 5 rumors, I'm currently developing a non-profit fan-made Sly 5 for the Dreams-PS5 engine 🙂. It's called Cooper: Court of Thieves! The Sly legacy shall live on one way or another! 😁
How’s the progress going on your game? Been following you for a while!
Great to see you here!
@@Splicer87 Oh yeah, hey! I keep up on the Sly content 😆
@@daphodyl3839 Going great for the most part! Currently working on a grand reveal of the game's first world 😁
@@damselinteractive6960 I can’t wait to see it!
If you notice the manuals from 1-3 gets more worn and decrepit as a design as the series progresses showing time is passing between this trilogy and its like the manual is getting older with time as well. Very well designed and a fun tidbit for those who got all three games originally
Sly 2 was the best IMO. Amazing step up from part 1, amazingly varied gameplay. Sly 3 was great as well.
I was disappointed in PS3’s Sly 4. Didn’t feel as good, humor and story were meh.
Most definitely, the only thing I didn't like in Sly 2 was that we couldn't replay missions after completing the game like in Sly 3 and 4, and the fact that Clockwerk never really returned it was just Neyla in his body
@@elharvey5032 well actually you can replay missions through cheat codes that lets you replay days in it
my opinion exactly
Love this series, they were my childhood man. Hoping we get another sly game soon or at least a remaster or port of the collection to current consoles
You didn't notice that the Thievious Raccones manual got more beat up in each game so that's a nice detail for a game manual.
For Sly Cooper 4, I absolutely agree with you and I don’t agree with half the Sly Fan base. I enjoyed that game, I never understood some of people’s complaints.
Let’s be honest sucker punch wasn’t going to do a sly 4 and it looked like a very long time that we weren’t getting a 4th game. Not until 8 years later after the 3rd one we got a new entire from a different company, this was their first sly game after doing the collection, and it’s literally just more of the same, but this was their first time and it was good. They stepped up to the plate to actually make a sly 4 when nobody else was. I bet giving Sanzaru games another sequel they would go and improve even more than before. But now that doesn’t seem like that is possible for them anymore.
I really loved Sly 4, but the thing that huets it the most is the looooooooong load times.
You should watch the 3 retrospective videos by B-mask about Sly. As a huge Sly fan I always find myself watching those videos again just to be reminded how great the story of Sly is!
Plugged in my PS3 again and downloaded Thieves in Time. I think I will try to get platinum on it. The trilogy is quite expensive today.
I liked Sly 4. I just hated that it was the last one... But hopefully not for long!
Sly 1 is so underrated. Definitely some frustrations but it hooked me so hard.
You should really talk about the Jak and Daxter games on here; they were awesome games, too. The first is still one of the best platformers out there.
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@@lgd921 Ratchet & clank.
@@carlosaponte2349 ew
@@census8610 Oh sorry I meant Bubsy, clearly.
The first sly cooper has the best antagonist of course. The overall story is the best of the series. Sly 2 has the best subplots. The gang being split up and seeing murray and bently grow into their own. Sly 3 perfected gameplay. Sly 4 continued the series. The easter egg of seeing clockwerk in every time period is master class though.
Except clockwork shouldn't exist in sly 4 ep.3
The clockwork easter egg in 4 is kinda weird though. It's cool, but why doesn't sly acknowledge it at all?
@@jonahbrown5669mmm i do wish Sly acknowledged how creepy Clockwerk is to be watching the whole time 😅
I was a game designer on Thieves in Time. We worked our asses off on that game and I only wish we'd gotten some better marketing to let people know about it. Thanks for the shout out!
No amount of marketing would have helped the massive backlash that badly written fanfiction caused among its fan base, even less so when it was launched on last gen before the PlayStation 4 released causing it to die out almost instantly since there were more eyes on the new gen
Would have fared better as a PlayStation 4 launch title ensuring its success somewhat due to being one of the few titles available at the time
@@bamban_garcia5562please be nice with your words 😅 that’s incredibly harsh to call it ‘bad fanfiction’
Honestly I wish I had known about Sly 4 a lot sooner too but it took a way for my family to even get a PS4😅 maybe if it had better marketing the series would have kept going 🤷♀️
You had me until the defense of Thieves in Time’s story and terrible cliffhanger. This is a prime example of what you DON’T do to continue a beloved cohesive series, it is almost as bad as Suicide Squad Kill the Justice League or Disney’s Star Wars trilogy which are all indefensible Marxist/woke garbage. Another commenter is correct that TiT has actual misogynistic undertones in how it treats its female characters, which shows that the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction years later.
Sly 3 literally has you climbing up the body of a giant Carmelita.. How can this game NOT be your favorite
Beyond the Penelope storyline, there are other flaws with Sly 4 that you didn’t mention:
1. The gameplay in general feels floatier; much different from the previous 3 games.
2. The dialogue is legitimately awful compared to the previous games.
3. Some of the missions are just flat-out weird, like the missions where Murray and Carmelita belly dance.
4. Personally, I wasn’t a fan of some of the added mechanics, like the new hackathons or the shooting missions.
How is the game feeling different considered a flaw
@@census8610play 2k16 and then play 2k23 and you'll see the problem.
Really great video. I've had a lifelong love of this series. I honestly think it has the best character writing out of all of the mascot franchises.
Sly 4 was awesome, as was the rest of the series. I don't understand the dislike it gets- even the penelole twist wasn't TOO farfetched when you take into account that they originally met her on a shady chat room, she used foul pay to always win the ACES contests, and was constantly fangirling for Sly. For all we know she joined the Cooper Gang solely to get a cut of the Cooper fortune and was disappointed when Sly disbanded the gang as it meant no more payoffs. Obviously her love for Bentley was genuine though.
Yeah exactly. I don’t have a problem with the twist, it’s just how it was expected and not kept hidden well 😅
@gracekim25 the minute they mentioned the Black Knight, I knew it would be Penelope- thetge fact that her previous persona was the Black Baron was a complete giveaway
Games like this made the ps2 so great, even though I was mainly an Xbox guy at the time. I did buy a ps2 for Everquest and ffxi though.
Love the vids man. Just picked up Sly cooper collection for $35. More than I like, but been wanting it for a while :)
Yeah I've been thinking about picking that up for PS3 also it was around 50/40 on ebay so it went down a little.
That's honestly a great deal if it you got it with the case and everything
Sly 4 honestly did deserve a lot better than it got. It was a legitimately fun game, some hampering from PS3 hardware aside, but the changes ended up polarizing the remaining fanbase, and now it's arguably the punching bag that "killed" the series. Which is a shame, because I remember feeling like it was made by legitimately caring fans of the series too, Sucker Punch gave them their blessing in the first place to keep up the work after trying so hard and putting as much care as they could into the HD Version of the original trilogy. If it came out a few years earlier into the Playstation's life cycle, it might have done better, seeing as the desire for a sequel might have been newer on top of maybe nostalgia glasses on the original trilogy might have made some of the older fans react... well, as any nostalgic fan does. I was honestly glad to have the characters and gameplay back, even if they didn't feel the same as they did on the PS2 for obvious reasons.
3 might still be my favorite on virtue of its writing and levels alone, but damn, these games were great. And it was nice to see a bit of more love towards them, including the one that may have had a misfortune of going down in history as the bad one (which it wasn't).
I enjoy Sly 4😅 sure the characters talking a lot in gameplay and the twist being not well hidden was slightly annoying given I figured it out immediately (and I hate figuring out twists Super fast😅) but like I love time travel stories 😊
Sly 4 had good gameplay but the story was weak and had terrible villains that weren't theating like the main final boss was a joke
It warms my heart to know that the Sly Cooper fandom hasn't died.
I loved this series but it always gives me the weirdest memories cuz my life around that time was wild lol
Great trilogy but TiT was definitely an overall mid ass game, at *best* it was decent, also Rioichi and Tennessee were the only ancestors with worthwhile abilities/gameplay. Let's be real though it's no secret most of the appeal from this series is the art style, story and characters, the latter 2 were a complete miss in TiT and the style is more of a mixed bag however I'll give TiT having the best cutscene animation in the series.
Sly 4 and it's ending aged like milk, really wish they never made it. The ps2 trilogy is still amazing tho and I recommend it to anyone who likes platformers.
Funny how he never mentioned the awful loading times which got worse as the game went on.
I personally enjoyed it but if I had to choose between a Sly 5 or a remake of the Thievous Raccoonus, I'm definitely going for the remake
@@elharvey5032 why not both?
@@census8610 keywords: If I HAD to choose
@@elharvey5032I pick sly 5
I'm happy you went into detail about the back of the box. I remember taking Sly 2 with me everywhere I went as a kid and spent alot of time just looking at the back of case, reminding me of all the fun I'm going to have! This series means so much to me. Even if I don't think Thieves in Time is a good Sly game, I can still have fun with it and respect Sanzaru for giving it a shot. Great video!
Based comment, I actually have the same opinion to yours, miss the Sly franchise
Bentley committed war crimes. Traps, literally juicing enemies... he's a madman!
It seems like maybe you’ve forgotten or just didn’t realize, That without sly three there can be no sly four, Since the concept of time travel was introduced at the end of sly three as a teaser.
Sly 4 would have been WAY better if that DLC of egypt just would have happened. I dont have too many gripes with the game. Graphics, gameplay, the feel, everything was top their Sly, except... the writing. Nate Fox and the others that wrote Sly 1-3 at Suckerpunch knew the characters inside and out, but sanzaru (in my opinion) seems to only kind-of know these characters and their deepest feelings and thoughts.
PlayStation underground used to be the shiz back in the ps1 days. I didn’t know they continued into the ps2 days. You always got awesome dual demo discs in the mail every quarter with import demos and developer videos or e3 footage etc.
I bought the trilogy off the store a while back and loved it despite being in my late 20s at the time haha. Did buy Thieves In Time, still need to play it though.
I totally agree with you on Thieves in Time Matty. It was a unique and good addition to the series
I loved all the ones up to 3. Thives In Time sucked. If they make another Sly game, i hope it’ll be more like the first 3 and not like the 4th one.
i pretty much agreed with everything in this review until Sly 3 and Thieves in Time
Like the Cooper family has decades of thieves so of course they would store the family fortune somewhere and it makes sense that Sly would visit it
And as for Thieves in Time i hated it due to certian characters acting completely different, the dialouge & humor where bad, story was bad and the main villain was weak compared to the other villians in the series
Based on what I've seen over the years; seems like the majority of Sly fans liked Thieves In Time, more people have probably talked about the people that say it's bad than there are the people that actually say it's bad.
Me personally however; (as hypocritical as it is to say this after what I just said) I think this game is pretty flawed for a whole number of reasons. I have to come back to this game to fully judge it on a Gameplay standpoint since it has been years since I last played these games but all I can say is that the graphics are fine fidelity wise but the art style is balls. And as for the story; I'll be brutally honest, it's one of the worst things ever put on paper. Like it's not just bad as a Sly Cooper story but it's not even good as a story in general and that is one hill I am more than willing to die on. Like what do we have? Characters acting nothing like how they're established to be like, a time travel plot that makes absolutely no sense when you put any level of thought into it, more plot holes than pixels, horrible villains with no threat or menace, abysmal cringeworthy humour and dialogue, everything is horribly contrived, filled with coincidences and is entirely half baked, nothing was thought out to any great degree, it flushes everything that was good about the previous games down the toilet and replaces it with nothing but anger inducing BS where everything they could've done wrong was done wrong. All for the express purpose of continuing a story that let's be honest, was already concluded and didn't need to be continued, and now it'll remain un-concluded because Thieves In Time ends on a needless cliff hanger.
please don’t trash sly 4 please don’t trash sly 4
HE PASSED THE G CHECK LETS GOOOOO
Honestly I love all of these games as a series a lot of my complaints for the different games are minor but I love all of em for what they are especially with the Easter egg in thieves in time with clockwork
Hoping the series makes a Comeback. I love Sly Cooper!
Always a massive fan of this series. Heavily influenced my taste in games and music.
Would love to see videos about OG Ratchet and Crash games.
Love all the sly games even thieves in time, wish and hope one day soon we will get sly 5 and 6 to be official
Sly Cooper was one of, if not the best, games I've ever played so much nostalgia and the fact that they've aged well, hopefully they can bring back the franchise some day, most likely in a Remake
They really went all out on the american manuals. The European ones for this series aren't nearly as cool.
Matty you’re creating a ton of content which is awesome but don’t forget to put your health and mind first!
It sucks that those rumors were eventually shut down by Sucker Punch. Would’ve loved to see a new game sooner than later since Thieves in Time is reaching its 10-year anniversary. But, at least they were honest with us and not using us…
I've always loved Sly games cause sly moves so smoothly. Sly 4's movement was quite clunky. That's why it wasn't as good as the other games
I have the vita collection and plan to get the vita version of 4
Sly Cooper was based
Jak was my favorite as a kid, but Sly is my favorite as an adult.
I liked sly more personally but I did love jak and daxter as well. I’ll never forget how shocked I was when I first played jak 2 and realized how different it was from the first game. It was so much darker, a lot harder and way wayyy more action. It almost felt like an entirely new franchise
If this series is coming back in any capacity, I’m looking for the equivalent of Sly Cooper Kiwami and Sly Cooper Zero
Hopefully they we bring him back 🪝
Bruh no love for that PS Move game attached to the Collection and Bentley's Hackpack on the Vita?!?
But fr great video
Do jak trilogy!
The subtitle to "Sly Cooper: Thieves In Time" should have been "Sly Cooper: Misogyny Simulator". As a female fan of the franchise, it was so uncomfortable to play. I'm honestly glad it bombed because it was a gross, embarrassing stain on an otherwise dignified franchise.
Started playing these for the first time recently. Was able to get the collection and 4 for $60 together. I'm on the second game now and am absolutely loving them. Can't believe I skipped these on the PS2 back in the day.
What's your thoughts now?
Damn, there is one thing I will miss back in the ps2 days and that is awesome manual which I would actually read and have deep insight on the lore of the game.
My favorite gaming raccoon is Sonic
i fucking love sly still have my copys of 2 and 3 i will say personally thieves in time didnt do it for me wasn't bad but it no where close to as good as 2. 2 was the first game i got introduced to it from a demo disc years ago i hope we see a comeback those were some excellent games and i love characters Bentley is my fav for sure
At this point in time anything that doesn't hit or wow like x game did is going to be considered "disappointing" to some.
Sly 2: Band of Thieves was the first Sly Cooper game I started with! I think it’s fun playing a later installment of a series and then playing the first game later to see the references like I played Arkham City before I played Arkham Asylum.
All the games r on ps plus top tier plan!
The trilogy is still awesome
This series was part of my childhood. Hope we get a new game, remaster or remake for the PS5!
First of all, love your video and second, I apologize for my long comment, but I'm a fan of the saga too hahaha
My favorite game its Sly 3, its true that Sly 2 really innovates in comparison to Sly 1 and that Sly 3 uses Sly 2 as a base.
But Sly 3 also innovates in a great way, refreshing the saga with new gameplays but at the same time maintaining its essence.
With gameplays such as the planes, the gondolas in Venice, the pirate ships (an idea that Assassin's Creed would later copy hahah), also by adding a multiplayer mode, secondary missions to complete after passing the story of some level, the treasure maps and including for the first time new integrants to the gang, all of them with unique gameplays. (without forgetting the 3D mode of the PS2 era)
On the other hand the environment feels more alive, with the stages of the day changing along the level, with Carmelita walking over the areas, by including traps on the level, with the scenario changing according to the events that happen along the missions, being able to dissguise and talk to guards to go unnoticed, the wolf on the Baron's level and a few other things.
The story of sly 2 is very well done, really well written. But I feel like they lengthened the story a lot by adding so many levels. While Sly 3 has the right extension and its story is also very well done.
We discover more of Sly's past, about his father even, we learned his different ancestors on an epic level in the Coopers' chamber where Sly discovers an incredible new ability related to lasers (I wish it had been included in Sly 4).
Also during the story we visit incredible settings where we meet antagonists from previous games and we see how the actions of past games have a great impact on the story (with characters like Panda King, Dimitri and Muggshot)
Also we see more about other characters, such as Bentley finally finding his better half (until the nonsense that happens with Penelope in Sly 4) or touching on topics such as the roles of each member in the band to conclude that they are above all a family. In addition, Sly finally confesses his love to Carmelita and ends the game with a bittersweet ending that perfectly closes the trilogy (until the 4th was made, i don't complain). I also think that Sly 3 includes some of the best villains in the series, such as General Tsao, Dr. M or Octavio.
Personally, the only problem I noticed in sly 2 was its extension, not because the game had more levels than the others, but because quite similar things were always done in them (yes, there were some exceptions such as the tank in the Contessa's level or Bentley's Dron in the Jean Bison level), but for the most part there were always similar dynamics.
However, I think that both Sly 2 and Sly 3 are the best games in the series and that which game you discovered this incredible world and its characters will always influence a lot.
Lets hope they bring sly Cooper back to life, it was my childhood
PS: The bubbles with options to talk to other characters and also the paintings with codes making references to the previous games were also pretty dope things on Sly 3
PPD: I did miss the clue bottles on Sly 3 :(
The series is LEGENDARY! But Sanzaru royally botched the Sly Collection, especially with the first game. And don't even get me started on the PS Vita download code for Sly 3...
Sly Cooper was the best reason why having a PlayStation was better than a Xbox or GameCube.
Your channel is fantastic. Thank you. Also, I LOVE these games. I should give them a spin again
I had the extreme privilege to talk with the voice of Sly Cooper, Kevin Miller over the phone back when he and his best friend did a gaming centered podcast. And he and I are also friends on Facebook 😅 I don’t ever bother him or ask him questions about Sly. But I have sent him the occasional “hey, hope you and the family are doing well. God bless” kinds of things. Such a sweet guy.
Great video! Blast from the past. I can tell you have so much passion for the series and it’s so refreshing to see for those of us that are day 1 Playstation franchise nerds!
My guess is they're probably rebooting Sly Cooper the same way they did Ratchet and Clank in 2016. I don't think they would do Sly 5. It will probably be an updated take on the story of the first game. And I think it's PixelOpus' game with Sony Animation. Sony Animation had that Sly Cooper movie in development that never came out. I think there was even a teaser for it. I guess it was canceled because of how poorly the R&C movie did. But maybe they can transition some of those assets into a game?
InFAMOUS was also included in that same "leak". I think it's more likely that Sucker Punch is working on that than Sly Cooper. Probably Ghost of Tsushima 2/Legends 2 and a new InFAMOUS
it's cool you know about Sly, i'm very new to the games
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I miss Sly so badly ..2013s release was the weakest entry. Sadly even that was almost 11 years ago as of Aug-September this year. #suckeepunchgames #sony
I have the ps3 collection sealed, man do I want to break it open lol. Sure I could play it on my vita, but it’s not the same, I want dat 60fps. At least it’s smooth unlike jak and daxter trilogy on vita or even ratchet trilogy.
When I got my ps3 in 2013, the sly trilogy was one of the first games I tracked down. Great fun
How do you actually do a review or something like this whatever you wanna call this, without taking the time to refresh your memory in one way or another?
Man I can never get enough of this series, it’s forever going to be my favorite of my childhood and I do hope that we eventually get a remake or ports(but with this day and age, most likely a remake) of the original trilogy. I honestly think it getting a remake for the original trilogy like how Crash and Spyro gotten(which brought them back into the spotlight, but so far more for Crash as we don’t have Spyro 4 yet) is the best way to go and then maybe a sly5 or a remake of 4 that fixes its flaws(like the ending).
RUclips recommended a sly cooper walk through this morning and now it’s on my mind might have to buy the collection i haven’t played the games since the ps2 era
I got the OG in a bundle with my first PS2. Changed my life forever that’s for sure
All the while I'm here by my lonesome self still waiting for Medievil 3 since 1999...
Sly 4 is written pretty terribly, especially compared to the trilogy
The game also adds nothing interesting or fresh to the gameplay outside the mostly half assed playable ancestors.
@@TerrorOfTalos Good point as well.
Will we get a ratchet and clank and/or spyro retro rebound review??? 😍😍😍
My first platinum is Sly 2!
Honestly I’d rather get the ps3 collection over the vita, unless handheld versions are more convenient for you.
Just replayed 3 for the millionth time. I played it on the vita for the first time ever this time. One of my favorite franchises
Thank you letting me remember the gold days 🥹🥹
It would be interesting if there is a new sly game it take some ideas from the batman games the stealth combat and tech batman has could be useful in the sly world
If you're going to play these, I recommend getting an emulator and mod out the motion blur 👍
I liked sly 4, but I hated the whole character designs they did for the characters. I liked the comic style they all had in the past games. I also didn’t like Penelope’s betrayal, it felt out of no where and it didn’t seem like she was the type to not talk it out with Bentley
I believe it was implied in the middle of the Penelope boss fight that it turns out LeParadox deceived her in order to get her time machine.
Sly and Ty: the goats of 3D platforms finest generation!
sly 2 and 3 were my childhood favorite games
Sly 2 was the best one. If you disagree then your opinion is wrong.
Fantastic video thank you very much!
i also dont get the thieves in time hate lol it was really good
Crash bandicoot also may have an argument for playstation mascot. Sly 2 is one of my favorite games of all time, along with crash bandicoot warped
Crash bandicoot 3 warped is imo a top 5 platformer of all time. I loved that game so much as a kid and it was awesome to play through it again when the n sane trilogy released
I loved 2 and 3's gameplay but the first game had a focus that i really missed in those subsequent games. It's arguably the best game because of that.
Recently I've played through the entire Sly Trilogy for the first time and I wish I played it sooner, I feel like kid me would absolutely be obsessed with these games.
Sly 3 was definitely my favorite, 1 being my close second (Sly 2 was great but it kinda dragged on and many missions were a bit hit or miss), I still have yet to play Thieves in Time but I'm not sure if I want my recently developed love for this series to get damaged
The Sly Cooper video game series was awesome 😎👍. I loved sneaking around and beating up mercenaries and henchmen while avoiding being seen but I really liked his reverse Batman and Catwoman relationship with the lady Fox detective.
R.I.P. Sly Cooper movie LOL
I have been waiting for a PlayStation remaster for so long, another great gem from PS2 is Tom and Jerry War Of The Whiskers