The Audiophile's Dream? TAD Compact Reference One TAD-CR1TX Review.
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2:14 - Subjective
9:57 - Objective
17:12 - Summary
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Sadly they're tad expensive for me
This is it, this is the top comment folks.
Yeah. I'm a horn guy. I have never been able to afford TAD compression drivers. That really is the top of all speaker piles.
lol
@@peteleoni9665 Horn guy too. Implementation is still king. Im very happy with B&C drivers at 1/4th the price
Just tell your kids that they can’t go to university because dad found an amazing bookshelf speaker set
Here I am, listening attentively to your recommendations, as though I will be buying them.
😂
Nah. I can build ya a better pair with best crossover parts for 1000€
OMG the DIY delusion 😭
@@mizake01 maybe I can make a point about kits. Notice how heavy the Tads were? Notice how Erin said that certainly helped keep the resonance down? These cabinets are probably half the cost of the speaker. Maybe more when you consider packaging and shipping. And if a kit builder wanted to match the performance of this box for $1000 he most likely could do it - if he does his research first. Would not look as nice, but would do the job.
You can smoke these in the diy world. They have maybe at best $180 if we are talking retail cost of crossover parts. The crossovers is absolutely everything, the cabinet is definitely important but they really blew their budget ass backwards here. Quality crossover and drivers in a well braced 3/4" MDF box with bracing and insulation would kill these.
Any cabinet/mechanical distortion being lessened is amazing like in the TAD design. I think the box always has some ringing/woofer backwaves that escape through the box material and adds to the sound signature of the speaker in a bad way. You want to hear what the signal of the audio is not added ringing produced by the cabinet. I do a lot of DIY speaker design and odd real testing/tinkering. One of those tests was putting a small full range 4" driver right inside a common bookshelf speaker box for a 6.5" woofer and had some sound absorbing material typical for common cheaper speakers found under $1000, blocking the woofer hole and port hole with some thick wood covers and letting the driver play inside the cabinet to hear what would leak out. I could hear nasty sound across many frequencies escaping though the cabinet walls, you could hear enough to make out the full song so all frequencies from the midrange and down were coming though to some degree. My current DIY bookshelf speakers use 1.25" (32mm) wall thickness made from laminating 3/4" birch plywood and 1/2" MDF with contact cement. I chose two different types of wood thinking that both will have slightly different composition and might block a wider range of cabinet distortion. That does not eliminate all cabinet distortion but lessens it quite a lot and improves the overall sound a lot compared to my previous designs in thin cabinets. This is for a 5.25" 2 way. If I were doing a larger speaker I would consider the same wall design but also adding internal bracing in many places.
Erin: It's so great, and fun, that you are including a wide range of speakers in your reviews. Sure nobody watching is likely to buy these speakers, but it's entertaining and informative to see "what you get for the asking price" in some of these high end designs. I enjoy watching content of gear I'll never own, as do many others, and you clearly balance that out with a preponderance of more affordable gear. So I hope you don't take the "why review ridiculously expensive speakers" folks to heart. Keep 'em coming. There's virtually nobody else out there who can put such expensive gear to the level of testing you supply.
What separates this channel from others is the time Erin takes to put the measurements into context which makes them actually useful. Well done!
i bet they appreciate the technical recognition for their efforts 👍
I think these and Børresen M1 are the current kings of endgame, ultra-fi standmount designs!
Thankfully, both brands have released more affordable options too, but objectively these are excellent speakers.
Your measurements of the TAD CR1TX are incredible, and it's worth remembering that these are hand finished and in-house designed Japanese speakers!
There's something for everyone. But for 87 grand I want an exotic transmission line designed by NASA. Not a vent...
For 87 grand you could buy a lot of great JBL reference monitors all of which would blow the pants off of these speakers in a blind ab test. I promise. I have spent my entire life in the studio biz. You can't beat JBL they know too much about every side of this.
@peteleoni9665 These are used in many of the world's Grammy and Oscar winning recording studios, so...
@@peteleoni9665while I agree these speakers are a joke, jbl has gone down the tubes over the last 20 years. Just look at the crossover parts it doesn't get more obvious
A transmission line is a folded Voigt pipe. You may as well get a Voigt pipe. And it's the farthest thing from complex and exotic. It's just really tall and ugly
@@peteleoni9665 absolutely right, JBLs were gorgeous. I can't even understand the component value and materials used that would make them anywhere near this cost unless every part is totally handmade.
Great review!Like the listening room snipets!Would love LP measurement in every review,Erin!
This review is greatly appreciated.
Enjoyed it very much. Keep up the good work
Love TADs. The distortion level is really low.
Dude, haven't even watched but thank you for reviewing. Rare as hens teeth to get videos on these.
Good summary, thx. Question re; your room which looks nice! Plans for acoustic room treatments? I encourage it:)
Great review, thank you! I admire your courage in even attempting to hoist an 87.5 grand/pair speaker up onto your Klippel stand, and then back down again!
I had the pleasure to hear these they’re great
Thank you Erin!
I like the subjective then objective review style
I enjoyed this video. Those speakers are insane and they look really nice too. I also like to put my speakers not aimed directly center at my ears but actually straight and a lil bit upwards on the iso pads behind my laptop.
Hope you can have them for a while 😊 And thanks for your great work....❤
Good advice on picking a speaker moving assistant.
Thanks for the review Erin. (I'm sure I called you Eric recently and I apologize)
Would be cool in future videos to hear more impressions on other acoustic properties of the speaker. Like level of detail, examples where you missed details that were present on other speakers or the other way round. Or your impression of the "stability" or "correctness" of the soundstage.
Kudos to Erin! Nice to see you are reviewing luxury stuff! (Even though i'd buy 9 pairs of Kef reference 1 or 6 pairs of Kii 3...)
Great to see some data on a TAD speaker. If I ever win the lottery maybe I'll pick them up!
Having heard these compared to other very well designed speakers I can say that they are amazing. They are a great example of how there is so much more to speaker design than frequency response(which you highlight very well) I still can’t afford them but they are the best speakers I have ever heard by a reasonable margin and I feel fortunate that friend allowed me time with them in a familiar space. I’m still happy with my speakers that were 7% of that cost though and wouldn’t likely invest that much in speakers even if I had it. I still admire what a cost no object approach can achieve. Thanks for review.
Holy crap, they are a TAD expensive for my wallet!
Wow 101 lbs per speaker? That’s more than my floor standers lol
I can make a custom made concrete block weight on top of my current bookshelf speaker.
can cause hernia. need a fork lift
@@wswsn7396make it then, then send it to Erin.
My budget "small" surrounds weight 35kg per unit, they got 10" midrange and horn, 4cm front, 2cm sides, heavy magnets and bracing etc.
Damn you’re good at all this analysis man.
Eh, I mostly make it up and hope nobody catches on. 🤪
@@ErinsAudioCorner hhahahahahhahaha
I didn’t realize that it doesn’t matter what I buy using affiliate links! Thanks for explaining this. Nice review!
No problem!
wonderful speaker
I simply Adore TAD’s incredible designs. They’re like, light years beyond a lot of competitors. And you can rest assured, that system would NEVER be switched off! First in all things at TH$T echelon is to wring every thin dime of performance out of them. They’d play at near whisper volume at bed time, and at room filling peaks the rest of the time, but NEVER OFF!
Regrettably creating an inert cabinet costs money and most manufactures won't address the elephant in the room.
Total Audio Domination.
I love this review. Although, I am not buying a pair of speakers that cost more than the value of all 4 cars I own, but that you for reviewing these speakers. Take care.
I am running the Focal Utopia Viva as my LCR also another great speaker with mid range similar to your review
In the new space, did you have to spend a lot of time tuning and getting adjusted to how that new room sounds or reveals the sound of your reference speakers?
Thanks for you videos Erin. When you said by moving them back to the wall increased the bottom end, I thought I should try this with my speakers as my Mirage sounded thin. Well B I N G O the difference was unbelievable. Fuller sound witl such better imaging. Thank you SO much. I wish I were not a pensioner as I cant afford a tip to you. Sincerely...Mike (Regina Saskatchewan Canada).
Hey, I’m super happy to hear the advice helped you!
I was wondering what you do if you drop them. Thanks for addressing that at the end.
No problem 👍 ☠️
Thanks for reviewing these. Many audiophile reviewers ignore expensive items because they're out of range of their audience. But that's never been a problem with car reviews, and without good people such as yourself, I never get to even live vicariously through an audio reviewer. But there's something missing - did you actually enjoy listening to the TADs? That's the subjectivity that I really care about!
I did. Big, open and well controlled soundstage. Great tonality. Excellent midrange quality.
i believe Andrew Jones had a hand in designing them as well as the KEF Blade Meta
AJ designed these. He did not design the Meta.
Andrew Jones sure gets around. He is to speaker manufacturers like Phil Collins was to pop music in the 80s…everywhere: singing solo, singing/playing with his band (genesis), playing on his band mates solo albums, playing and/or producing for another band or singer previously in a famous band (Frida from ABBA), writing or producing another band, singing with a dude from a key band in a different genre on that dudes solo pop album (Bailey of Earth Wind and Fire), acting in a tv show that famously employed many of his songs (Miami vice), playing at live aid in London in the morning and taking the concord to play live aid Philadelphia later that day…for a few bands.
Diminishing returns for sure but that distortion is impressive. If you have the money they look sweet.
Erin, it's good to see you reviewing some small, budget oriented computer speakers again 😂
Great review once again. Love how you add both, measurement and listening experience. 👍👍 Top. Now can I borrow 87500$ 😅
Excellent review....definitely can't aford them.., already know i would like to here them....sure they would meet my expectations based on both the measurements and your in room experience. They are also a nice looking moderatly sized package ...gets a big appeal factor. If I had these for just a few hours I know I would listen to one of my favorite Opera from start to finish...they are going to sound fantastic with Opera....very few speakers do. The Opera is a good test....if it csn do the Opera everything else will also be good. This brings me around to the glaring contrast with the T shirt and hat....these speakers were kindly sent to you from TAD. It doesn't look like you took this seriously enough.. could have gotten a nice looking suit coat, dress shirt (with possibly a nice sweater between) and ditched the hat achieving the perfect balance with out being over dressed. When living in a car even then my wife and I managed to do some thrift shopping and used a storage locker to get dressed in we were able to attend an Opera and looking good for the event. The setting in the room behind you really didn't highlight the extra levels of craftsmanship that went into these either. It's an opportunity to get new viewers and quickly based on appearance it didn't look like the review was taken seriously. You are the source for speaker reviews that I take the most seriously. Really would you be dressed like this for a serious presentation to the board. If you can afford these you probably can afford an experienced insured piano mover.
Thank you for this review! Do you think you can add in room at listening position FR sweep in the future? that would be very helpful data in addition to the Klippel measurements.
Good on TAD for supplying them, even they know it probably won't make them sell a single additional pair. Near or at benchmark level items are needed for us to see how the "price/performance S curve" ends (or at least seems to plan out 😅)
For $87.5k… I think not. This is an excellent review nonetheless, and I’m glad they actually measure well. I think we could expect this performance given the background of those at TAD, being able to access all of the data for yourself is lovely. The price:performance ratio says so much and enthusiasts/audiophiles should take note of this.
At the end of the day, to each their own. Preference is inviolate. If one possesses such disposable income, it’s 100% a “flex.” Thanks Erin.
Maybe you could review acoustic treatments in your new main listening space. That would be cool to see you break down the data and effectiveness of designs, size, and materials.
Great review, again Ern! I don't understand how placing a speaker next to a wall ( 1 ft) will improve midbass/lower midrange vs a cancellation null, in this case around 300Hz right? Secondly, what is the value of an accelerometer in objectively assessing cabinet resonances.
Erin as you age and your high frequency starts to dip you will like hotter speakers. I can't stand compression tweeters, but I love Focals and b&Ws all day long.
Man, so glad you consider, practice and test the subjective factors that play into the way speakers are designed to be used, and not simply measure and cast aspersions. Great review that gets into what we might experience if we were to actually pay for speakers like these! 🙏🏼
I have been to RMAF multiple times and listened to a ridiculous number of 1%er systems. A few months ago I visited a friend's home studio for atmos music mixing. In all, his system probably costs $5k. The difference between being surrounded by cheap speakers with discrete channel mixes and a pair of 1000+ mains is absolutely astounding. There is nothing more immersive than that atmos experience. The pressure it puts on the production is very very high, because a shitty mix will pull the listener out of the experience right away. A somewhat careful mix is incredible. An expert mix is undeniable. In a comparison between one expensive speaker and ten cheap speakers, the single expensive speaker loses 10 out of 10 times. I say this as the owner of Neumann mains.
That's what Toole's research showed - the more speakers you put into the room the less objectively well designed they need to be. Bose did internal research showing that too.
That's why I don't ever see myself moving on from my KEF R series hooked up to a 7.1.4 system. I always use Dolby Surround upmixing & it sounds amazing. At this point a better upmixer will have a better result. I've tried Atmos mixes but not a fan. Just prefer stereo upmixed.
I would highly recommend room treatment to make them sound their best also
I wonder how these compare to the $100k Borresen M1 bookshelves ?
It is great that expensive things exist
Glad to see you back and in your new home
I really want to see a borresen measurement. They are the latest golden child on audiogon forums and I wonder how true it is.
Measurement doesn't matter , listen to them do you enjoy them or not that all that matters , easy to make a neutral speaker , usually boring sounding
@@misterzero8667 then why do you watch Erin’s videos ?
If I cannot listen to a speaker before buying it, I will absolutely only buy speakers with an exceptional ruler flat response. I am not willing to find out if I enjoy a wonky response.
@@misterzero8667then why TF are you here if measurements don't matter... Why not go to any of those forums that wax poetic about the speaker because it is expensive
Thanks
This speaker seems to measure very well. So does the KEF reference one. What is the acoustic difference? Is it reflected in the measurements?
Hi Erin, I noticed you have a different kind of diamond wiring on the speakers. You connected to lf red and hf black, instead of hf red and lf black. Please explain if your way is better? Thanks Kellman 👍
Great review, thanks! I’m really glad you are reviewing more high end speakers.
Ty
Hi Erin, will you be uploading the TAD-CR1TX review onto your website?
always interesting to see how far engineers go with no cost constrains ... does it make sense in terms of value per $ ... perhaps not, but i am happy there are people with money for such craftsmanship. This just pushes the industry forward and sets standards.
one of the few that gets it
I get what you are saying but despite the price they are beaten by the best models from Genelec and Neumann which are a small fraction of the price.
@@Solus793 ive heard alot of the genelecs and I have never heard one I would own, so I respect your opinion but I totally disagree, neumann, heard one pair, same thought but to each there own
Imagine: Little Timmy thinks this stuff is cool, hates goin to college. Fine, go to Mr.Woodshop and Ms.Physics and Them.ArtTeacher and they show u how to build similar speaker at your high school vocational program. The other kids in the Voc. can share their amplifier and etc projects so yall can host the " watever " event(s) this year. Then, adults secretly funnel math, reading, research, OJT, all kinds of [college] learnin into these vocational programs. Over time local businesses will develop to resource and fund these. Then they will need voc and college kids to fulfill work. Many of the voc students eventually DO go to college snd or send their kids to college. Imagine it happening globally. With 3d printing. Quantum computing. End of war and strife. All thnks to a review at Erin's Corner.
@@christianrogers2355 objectively they measure as good as anything, they are state of the art - people like a coloured sound though, so just use EQ if you want to alter the frequency response.
Nice review. Given that you can get some outstanding speakers for $2-5K, I guess the question with speakers like this is always going to be, is the average audiophile really going to hear $80k worth of extra goodness? A proposition for the "money-no-object" crowd.
nope, not worth it.
I think it’s crazy money too, but these are probably built so well they will work for generations. Just rotate the drivers 180 degrees every 20 years to compensate for gravity. lol.
Obviously these are not mass market or even upper market but rather an engineering exercise to create an ultimate stand mount with not only low distortion but also almost shockingly good directionality.
Nice review. It appears these were designed to be positioned close to the rear wall for bass reinforcement like the Wilson Duettes. Still, those are really close to your back wall. Surprising.
Erin - how would these compare to the KEF Ref 1 Metas and Blade 2 Metas
Awesome. Would you still choose Blade2's if money was not a factor?
It’s nice to see speakers designed to be used in real world environments(against the wall) rather than the theoretical ideal of a few feet out. This should be the norm instead of the exception, yet these and the Larsen, are the only ones that come to mind that do that.
Cornwalls go against the wall too.
Some of the Kefs Erin reviewed had a bass shelf for closer wall placement.
Lol what... Erin has reviewed many speakers that are gonna play fine as close to the wall as possible...
any speaker can be placed anywhere thanks to this handy invention audiophiles seem unaware of... EQ.
@@Mishael_Agyei-Boamah Not that are high end speakers, say $20k and up.. I'm referencing the industry as a whole and not just what Erin has reviewed, which that covers the vast majority of speakers.
Not a gripe, but a wish. Would be awesome to have a close look at the drivers and cabinet. Or go full evblog and take them apart!
MORE close ups!! Slow pans. Lets see the guts!
I’d have been happy to but these are their demo pair for shows and I didn’t want to risk damaging them somehow before they went out to THE Show this weekend.
@@ErinsAudioCornerare you making it out to THE show?
@4:20 you have the banana plugs plugged in to different pairs of binding posts. I assume they have a jumper, so does it make a difference if you use the bottom or top pair of posts vs one on bottom and other on top?
It would make no difference. It can’t
There is a jumper plate on each of these. I like to use different ones in case maybe one of the connections/jumpers is broken or loose. That way it's immediately noticeable that one speaker isn't connected correctly. Just a habit.
I've heard these and the compact evolution one's, personally I cant say for certain as I have not heard both back to back or DBT'd. The evolution ones are crazy speakers, they are really really good and I came to this realization during AXPONA when finally somone young was behind the source choosing the songs.
That speakers is killer with all genres and not just audiophile recordings, this guy played nothing that was beyond cd quality or "audiophile" recordings. This greatly won me over and even all the people in the room were rocking out it was so killer. It was literally a vibe
I was just about to buy 7 of these for my Atmos bed layer. Now that I know that they work best close to the wall I guess I’ll have to pass 😉.
Thanks Erin. I know you are a realist and this is probably where some audiophiles might go batshit crazy. But can you you justify the TADs at their price vs the $27k KEF Blade 2 Meta?
I love reading Consumer Reports and support Ralph Nader. I nearly joined the PeaceCorp and dream of sailing with GreenPeace. This is a RUclips _MUSIC GEAR 'N STUFF_ channel for a relatively small yet GLOBAL community of people who enjoy music for what it is, a speaker for how it speaks. Pricing strategies questions belong on those youtube channels. I send you peace and Love.
can't justify either, 27k is already ridiculous.
It is an audiophiles dream. The more they pay, the more theyre worth.
Haven't seen the review but a pair of nautilus is about 100k. Given the size and design 87.5k for these seems hard to justify.
They used to be $30,000 twenty years ago!
Thank you Erin for another insightful review. A couple of questions came up as I listened to your review and my apologies if you have covered them in the past. What electronics do you use as reference for speaker evaluations? How much do electronics play in speaker measurement results, anechoic and in-room? Subjectively and objectively? Thanks in advance.
Depends. Right now I'm using the top of the line Purifi amplifier module in a March Audio box. P501. Do amplifiers matter? Depends. Some amplifiers' output impedance is subject to the load. The amplifiers I use are not. If you have an amplifier which alters the FR based on the load then it is possible you'll hear a difference. In some cases I've seen and heard the difference is substantial because of the function of the speaker load.
@@ErinsAudioCorner Do you think a Dan D’Agostino Progression Integrated Amplifier can drive these TAD's?
Do the JTR noesis have a similar horizontal and vertical directivity?
Speakers are the most distorting object in the sound path…as in your amplifier distorts an order of magnitude less than the speakers. So now I get why the Kef, the Perlisten and the tad, are so dang expensive 😮
Heard them a couple of times. They are INSANE. If I could ever afford them, I would!
I can afford them, but I still won't.
No speaker on the planet is worth that sort of money, I don't care how good it sounds.
Just build a pair of gr research and your mind will be blown and you can still afford two new cars with ur savings (and they will beat these much better crossover)
Same here, heard them a couple times and they are simply incredible. Best bookshelf I've ever heard
Isnt the JBL 4367 quite close in distortion? Also do all horns have high second order distortion but low other orders?
the List for least compression/distortion goes:
KEF Blade 2 Meta
followed closely by
JBL 4367 and the TADs
@@Mishael_Agyei-Boamahhow are the blades and the jbl in terms of directivity?
It would be a bit easier to place seven of these in a living room for surround rather than 6 KEF Blades plus whatever the center for a blade is. Lol. As if anyone who can drop that kind of cash would not have a devoted home theater room.
Epic !
Great review as always. Did you measure them with the feet screwed in?
As a comparison that was interesting to me: I Have a pair of Mirage MRM-1, and while they were about 5% the price of these, and are at least 50% smaller in volume, they are also very heavy for their size. Only 35lbs-40lbs or something like that each. Lightweights. They are also completely inert, even though their frequency response is shocking deep for a tiny monitor (-3db is around 70hz, with a bump up from 90-150 due to the port tuning). You can put your hand on them with them blasting deep bass trip hop so loudly that the little 5.5” woofer is pumping with the maximum excursion that won’t damage them, and you feel nothing. The drivers are mounted in a thick slab of corian and the cabinet is layers of mdf and steel. As small two ways with low sensitivity they have inherent limits but after a decade of owning them in still surprised how much sound they produce for their size with pretty low distortion numbers. I used them with a subwoofer crossed at 80hz to take pressure off the little woofer. they work like point sources at 10-20ft away, very consistent at every listening position. Super wide and deep soundstage (they are not bipolar/omni mirages, but conventional 2-way reflex) They disappear in the sound field. I say all this because these much more expensive and much more impressively measuring speakers seem to have a similar design intent: a small monitor that will effectively be a point source (especially with the coax mid-tweeter). I’m surprised at the low frequency rolll off considering the 8” driver, but I guess they did so intentionally for lowest distortion possible, and rely on the port / wall reflections for anything below 80hz - or a subwoofer especially in ht applications/use. Hey, my mrm-1 even has a very similar dip in the presence region-very typical of older British tuning, properly done it apparently helps the speaker “disappear,” aka great directionality. My experience is that this wide as all get out sweet spot tends to come at the expense of center imaging precision unless you really dial in the toe-in (or eq the dip out). Anyway, it’s nice to see a design that maximizes stand mounts Though you better have some stout stands. Though At these prices, or rather less, the KEF blades seem a bit more, well, reasonable.
The TAD drivers I really like were developed by both Kinoshita and Locanthi..
Erin, may I ask what color walls do you have?
so 87k retail ok...any guesses as to what Tad has in these??
You could buy a pair of KEF reference ones and a new C8 Corvette for the price of those
Very good, but the price is just not competitive thinking about KEF or Genelecs. But if you're going for build quality, why not.
Honestly that is not the same market. This is for very well off Japanese/Asian business types honestly.
@@JamesWilliams-gf8gm I get what you mean. But the aren't those "in between" those markets and super niche? Too expensive for scientific hifi fans but too small/unimpressive for big spenders. For this price you could get Dali Epikore or Focal Meastros if you want to flex. Also aren't 110 pounds a "little" heavy for standmount speakers? You'd need a VERY heavy standmount for this thing not to topple easily.
@@H1kari_1 the Asian market has lots of money but tiny houses. Lots of people there are very poor there but the rich are very rich.
The rich are a very small percentage but it is a small percent of a very large population. It is still a lot of people with stupid money.
Try the ME-1; a bit more reasonably priced
With these being beryllium how did the treble compare with the blade 2 meta? After all this is what the buyers of these get them for over the blades, where the other metals have a natural breakup at around 10.5khz these should go over 15khz before breakup.
Impressive directivity!
Very!
It seems that the audio industry is trying to find how much they can charge before "audiophiles" will say "enough". There is no connection between value and price anymore. Headphones that cost $8000, speakers that cost an annual salary. It's like the supercar industry or the sneaker or watch industry now.
I can't afford $87k. But I can afford (tmm configuration) Purifi 6.5 with Bliesma t34b beryllium tweeters. I'm about halfway done. Total invested should be around 3500-3700.
Might be a good way to go for some of you.
Is their a possibility to unscrew the woofer and measure the driver alone with Klippel, LSI module especially ?
lol. Yeah…that’s going to happen on such an expensive speaker. And I think you underestimate how much work the cabinet and port is doing. But Close mike to the driver will do the same. Or if the woofer has its own binding post plug just that in.
Hi Erin! Based on your subjective listening experiences with sub $10K/pair speakers, are there any you would choose over these, even if money was no object?
the ones he's bought that are on the way. the MoFi Sourcepoint 888. Look forward to his review in the coming weeks
Great video. I learned a lot. Thanks Erin
I guess if you really want more SPL from you KEF reference 1’s you go ahead and spend 10 more for TAD’s. Beryllium is extremely good material when done well but also the price is extreme as well.
Are they good speaker at the end ? Do they do music ?
Music does them.
the tweeter start to beam at 7khz and midrange appears tobe 10° wider directivity
Thanks. Do you get into studio monitor analysis?
Yeah he's reviewed many studio monitors
Not an equivalent but I do get a taste the clarity bug, my KEF REF 1 META blew me away even coming from an electrostatic to fit better in a new home that I now share my listening experience with a TV family room. The tall black thin 2001 A Space Odyssey monoliths had to go. And it’s okay!
A pair of speakers or about 30 Marshall stacks?
17:45 that’s some good food for thought 🧐😂
Not that THX Publishes what their process is, but do you think that these would meet THX spec Ultra/Dominous for output & distortion?
yes. easily
@@Mishael_Agyei-Boamah For Dominous though? Erin only tested output up to 102db, and 12Khz onwards showed significant compression @102db+
A speaker designed to be close to the wall and pointed straight out into the room instead of toed in. How about that? Wouldn't it be nice if more designers took the approach of designing speakers for how they will typically be placed instead of assuming a dedicated listening space where they can be pulled out into the room? Dunno that I'll ever get a chance to listen to these so I appreciate you running these through their paces and giving your subjective opinion as well.
close to the wall? yes, typical, often practical if not absolutely necessary. but pointed straight out? no, not typical (except of noobs who don't know about or care about sound), and not practical or necessary. quite easy to toe speakers in.
but I also don't need a crossover design to do what EQ can accomplish. just give me a smooth neutralish response curve without major peaks or dips or problem areas... then a careful PEQ implementation can make them sound however I want.
@@Artcore103 Yeah, I'm thinking of all the non-audiophiles out there that buy bookshelf speakers and use them as bookends, or buy home theater speakers and place them right beside their entertainment centers, against the wall, and pointed straight out. I hear what you're saying but most people aren't audiophiles. They don't care about toe in, first reflections, comb filtering, standing waves, or the rest of it. They just want to listen to their music (oftentimes in mono via bluetooth). I think anything manufacturers can do to make getting good sound more accessibly, the better. Not that 87k dollar TAD's are accessible, but you know...
@@caseyodonnell6621 yeah, but those people aren't buying nice speakers. So I guess maybe they should design budget/big box store speakers for the placement you describe. Then again those speakers aren't really "designed" for anything, except to hit a price point. They don't know or care what their off axis response is like lol.
There was a demo sale for 3-4years ago for 37k in Sweden.
They have gone up in price like crazy!
Are you sure it’s the same model? I believe these came out in 2022 as a new model.
Yeah the new version doubled in price.
@@ErinsAudioCornerThis is a small update, I have listened to the biggest brother with all TAD electronics and it was like losing my virginity again! 😁