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Well basically the doctor already told them the chances of survival were to be low, therefore the option of termination. Soooo it's not like they weren't aware of the possible consequences. Hope dies last...and with that did all of their children, too. I have next to no pity for those two but I feel for the children.
when it's in the best interest for the rest of the children, the decision needs to be made. If she had reduced, at least some of the babies would have survived. Now, none of them did. So, in the end, which decision came out worse? I know it's harsh, but her decision "murdered" (as you put it) her children.
+Ariana Martinez did you know even aborting some of them is a risk to all of them even if she abort a few the other babies could have died as well. there are risks with both options. Your allowed to state your opinion but do not judge other people's choices
I'm just shaking my head at the people on here who think selective abortion is bad, but think fertility treatments that result in horrible survival statistics for large multiple pregnancies are ok... talk about a disconnect.
+Teresa Balbuena I don't think Sabrina meant it in a terrible way. I think it was more to bring out how not only was losing the children emotionally draining, but also physically draining.
Sad story, but the human body simply isn't made to carry those many embryos at once! I hope they consider adoption again, so many children out there in need of a good home...
Sorry you are incorrect. A pregnant woman with multiple babies can carry up to 32 weeks gestation. But are classified as high risk. It is extremely rare but I have read/heard of some mothers carrying multiple babies full term.
It's rare for a reason. Fertility treatments were how she got pregnant in the first place, so high risk or not, the human body still wasn't made to gestate so many. Otherwise it'd be more common with a higher success rate.
+FlowingDepths if the human body wasnt made to gestate so many embryos in one go then she wouldnt of fallen pregnant at all.. It is very possible for the human body to hold more then one fetus but the risk factors are there and that is why early intervention/planning takes place. Like I said if we werent able to concieve (natually or through IVF) multiples babies then our bodies should naturally (not) keep the pregnancy but that isnt the case.
Fertility drugs, not IVF, is tied to causing triplet or higher births. Multi-fetal birth brings with it the possibility for life long problems in the babies, and a high risk of prematurity. Again, the woman in the video got pregnant with the help of fertility drugs, and you are partially correct in your last sentence, the human body typically does "naturally (not) keep" such pregnancies. Hence the woman in the video's unfortunate run in with prematurity in her embryos. Again, sad case.
+Metonymy1979 ... I meant that some people can choose concieving through IVF, naturally or having them implanted.. I dont see how she is a hypocrite - yes she took the risk and unfortunately miscarried all her babies but she never meant any harm. You do realise how hard it is for some couples to even concieve either through having pcos, being told they are unlikely to bare children or have a medical illness that prevents them from even concieving. It is mentally draining and very stressful and unless you have had experienced a miscarriage or are put in her shoes to REALLY understand her reasons for wanting to keep all the babies then you need to back off. End of story.
My cousin has triples, but since her body type is small, she loss all of the three, she's 4'9 since she cant have babies anymore, she her husband decided to adopt. The lady here gain 7 angels
do you think if a person is small like your cousin they most likely wont be able to have children? im so sorry about your cousin btw :( im 4'10 and so im just curious and i have always feared i wont be able to have children. i do want to adopt one day but i also would like to give birth.
+MyLifeAsLana My cousins Ashlynn, Amanda, and Tracy are all small, and all 3 have gotten pregnant and given birth to healthy babies. Ashlynn and Amanda have 1 son each, Tracy has 2 kids: 1 girl and 1 boy. It's possible, don't let anyone tell you otherwise!!
The did have another baby! "Hayden Thomas Justice 7 lbs, 14 ounces, 19.5 inches, Born on March 23rd, 2016, exactly 18 months after his sisters came and left on September 23rd, 2014."
Obviously a loss is devastating (I can't even imagine) - but the doctors suggest reduction to prevent EXACTLY what this couple unfortunately experienced. Loss/preterm/disability is the norm with pregnancies with this many embryos.
+Vanessa Carlsen exactly. I feel for them because i can't imagine this amount of loss, but they seem oblivious and unrealistic. I feel like they set themselves up for failure.
+Vanessa Carlsen Yeah, like the OctoMom. She had 8 & lost... Never mind... The issue as I see it is that Lindsay left the Local Yokel in charge of the gestation, even after the No Talent Fool said "It's unethical to Stop True Labor" to her weeks before. This gestation needed some World Class Care & unfortunately such was Lacking. I feel she was perfectly within the bounds of Medical Reason to refuse Sel Red, she just needed a better doctor to manage her Septuplets. What they didn't say on this NewsBite is that her Doctor Yokel said "Let me pull the Pessary so I can get a Better Look..." She deserved better care & did not get it. Sad.
If they had picked a physician with a decent skillset All of them could have survived. Mom should have launched a search just as soon as she started hearing about how the Local Yokel 'needed her to Reduce' & gone wherever that talent was based. Nadya Suleiman did not reduce nor did she need to, her gestation had Zero Losses despite having 2 pairs of Monochorionic Identicals included, which raised her level of risk Astronomically above this case here, in which each baby had her own placenta. Her doctor gave up in week 22 & pulled out the cervical pessary. That's why all 7 babies died.
+Vanessa Carlsen the problem with that logic is that a large number of women who selectively reduce go on to lose all the embryos...the very action involved can and frequently does cause miscarriage to the rest.... you have to trust than any parents in this situation or a similar one have carefully and painfully considered all the information they are given and then make the best choice for them and their family at THAT moment in time....
Well said Deemail100. By the time the Sel Red gets performed we are more properly discussing Fetuses & not Embryos. My main Thesis here, if you will, is that this mom was actually in need of World Class expertise, such as that which Nadya Suleiman, the "Octomom" had available to her. The video does not make it clear, however using her name as a search key there is a Wordpress blog of hers that makes more of the awful tragedy apparent. It would seem that Mom had the impression that Mother Earth, God, & the Country Doctor were all that she needed to allow these babies to be Liveborn. I feel she was wrong in this, & that the Country Doctor especially was the wrong choice to make in this gestation that could have benefitted greatly from a medical team Hip to the latest techniques in gestational management. The Old Doc went as far as to tell her that "It's Unethical, to Stop True Labor." Which sounds Nice & Folksy, yet is a Truly Stupid thing to say. Labor which can be stopped is not "True", is it? I am sorry for her Losses.
Yes, it's sad, but I can't understand why they are so eager to have such a big family. If I was going to potentially have 9 kids in total, I would pass out from fear.
*I am sorry for their loss however, that’s precisely why the doctor highly suggested selective reduction to avoid this heartbreak. 7 babies trying to survive, one dies others fail too.*
Captcha Neon Selective reduction is just another word for murder. That wouldn't have been any better than what happened. Because even if they had "reduced" their pregnancy and the other babies had survived, they would still have to live with the blood guilt of killing babies.
I’m sorry but if I was pregnant with multiple babies and the doctor said to improve the others chance of survival for the other ones I would do the selective reduction. I feel that’s why her babies didn’t have a chance. She was also a small woman and her body probably couldn’t take anymore hence why she went into early labor.
+ToLovelyJesus It's not "murder". You can't "murder" a part of your body. At the point where they're just a bundle of cells, and not viable, sentient beings, they're just another part of her body, with the POTENTIAL to be a separate life form. But I'm sure it would've been much easier to deal with, if they had a couple/few kids to show for it, instead of having them ALL die, and having planned for nothing. It's like making the choice between letting a doctor amputate your leg, or dying of an infection from your leg, spreading to your heart. It should be a no-brainer.
Remy Mafia you’ve got to be joking to compare those two situations. Those babies ALL had a heartbeat so they weren’t just clumps of cells and an extra part of her body. Your leg being amputated is nothing at all like a selective reduction which is an elective abortion technically.
+Taunya I'm talking about the point in which they first learned they had a dangerous number of embryos forming. Even if it was after they developed heartbeats, they still weren't viable. They weren't even viable at 5 months. Hence, why they died almost immediately, when separated from their mom's body.
Or! You could realize that some women want to give birth to their own children. That doesn't lessen their love for children, but to give birth to a child who is a mix of YOU and your husband is a sacred thing that some women want. And it's rude to suggest that her wanting that isn't right.
The doctors have to implant multiple embryos at a time because with infertility usually ur body rejects them so to increase your chances of a successful pregnancy this is the method. And usually only one actually makes it to be fertilized. Very rarely does it happen where so many actually latch on, how u get ppl like her or the octo-mom. But yea it sucks and is a really sad story but u cant deny physics when statistics are given to u and u choose to blantly ignore it. #RIPBabies
Danielle Lofton you are completely wrong. They do not ever have to implant that many embryos. Most responsible IVF doctors won’t implant that number. There’s a chance they split to twins also. This doctor was negligent and greedy.
But they still have their two beautiful girls. Yes it's sad that the babies died. But even it they did live, they probably would've had terrible medical problems.
But they still have their two beautiful girls. Yes it's sad that the babies died. But even it they did live, they probably would've had terrible medical problems.
God didn't want them to have anymore but they were selfish. They could have adopted but they decided to have non viable babies. You should never be sorry for people that brought grief upon themselves.
Yup. I truly believe that and have no shadow of doubt. Just like my child I loss. And if you don't believe that. Then that is your right. Just like it is my right to have faith.
+Christy Morgan Look where that faith took your child and so many others around the world... it is not faith that we need, god never lend a hand to anyone because it is an inventioooon!!!!! We need to help eachother and stop giving birth to babies and adopt! Until no baby in the world has to live with hunger, alone or mistreated...
+Lilí dos Toxos My loss was great. But if given the choice. I would want my child safe and loved. My father passed away as well. I know for a fact that they are together now. My baby wouldn't ever want to come back. It would be very selfish of me to want them back.
can't believe people are blaming this couple for not reducing...I can't even imagine looking at the surviving kids and thinking about the ones that couldn't live. And yes I know, at least they still have some but still. Besides, even if they had done that, they still could have lost them...you never know what could happen!
+nicolelylewis So its ok that they rather killed them all than make an effort to save atleast few of them? People like that shouldnt have any kids in the first place.
+SixSicSicks medicine isnt always correct. there are many cases of doctors talling about death and it never happens. in this case it could have been the same, she didnt want to believe these baboes were going to die, she was joping they were wrong..
It doesn't look like she has enough body fat for that many babies... most women with multiples are bigger. Not necessarily obese, but a higher body fat percentage. Even seven babies is too much for any woman regardless of body type, the odds were definitely not stacked in her favor given how thin she was. Just from a medical standpoint these babies really didn't have a great chance at survival even if they selectively reduced.
So true but it actually costs much more to adopt than to use fertility drugs and you still have no guarantee you will ever get a child from adoption. I can't tell you how many friends of mine are still waiting for some family to pick them, or who don't qualify at all for one reason or another.
+Amy Chasing Rainbows the couple never mentioned any money issues. Seven babies passed away instead of adopting one beautiful child in need of a family.
Marissa Bernard they had a right to chose to try to get pregnant biologically. Being infertile doesn't mean you're the perfect candidate to adopt children. You shouldn't adopt as a consolation prize but because you genuinely want to bring a child into your family. It's a very sad loss of life. But adoption isn't the easy answer, even foster (which also has a high failure rate and also doesn't allow all families to do, restrictions vary by state).
This couple already had two healthy children. Some couples struggle for years to have one baby. Not selectively reducing the number of babies was foolish. They could have had some live babies but they ended up with none and now they are crying about it. I feel sorry for the babies that died.
It might be foolish but, who would want to kill a few of there babies, and feel like I chose these other ones out of you guys. Very tough decision and people have made the choice to save all and they come out healthy and live and some don't. It's just a game we don't know how to play. So I feel sorry for both the babies and the parents bc they lost there children
supa nova I don’t think anyone should judge their decision nor should they have been judged if they did decide to eliminate a fetus so two more could have a better possibility of living, its not fair or just. They decided to put their children’s lives in God’s hands and he doesn’t make mistakes, I feel terrible for them but they should definitely be thankful for the children they do have.
They made the right decision not to choose, they are people of faith who obviously don't believe in aborting or selectively choosing who would live. They chose not to Play GOD, That was their decision, not yours!
The doctor was right. 7 babies is not natural, we aren't meant to carry that many to term. It was dangerous and a little greedy to try to keep all of them.
xPumpkinxMelonx it’s not greedy when it’s their own children, it’s up to them. just imagine thinking that you chose to kill your other babies and kept the others. Unless you’ve carried children yourself you wouldn’t even begin to understand what the bond would be like for a mother and child, just think about 7 of them.
As much as I feel bad and don’t think it’s right for them to have had to burry 7 children, your right. It was a medical/scientific fact that their wasn’t going to be a away for her to successfully birth all 7 children and leave the hospital with all 8. I mean I do believe that miracles happen and God can do wonders but at some point you have to consider facts.
clorox bleach having one child already, this is a no brainer. I would in fact selectively terminate some of the fetuses to be able to have a successful birth of one or two. I'd rather have one baby make it than have them all die on me. Our bodies word me to carry that many fetuses.
It's hard to select who lives and who dies. But because they couldn't make the decision(idk if I could either), they lost all of them. Is it better to know you purposely killed a few and some lived? Or you gave them each the chance and they all died.... that's very tough to live with.
Ingrid Guevara It is not like they were children, they were just fetuses at that point, if the doctor terminated 3-4 of the weakest ones the rest could live. Lets create an extreme scenario and say there is a ship sinking and lifeboat holds 5, there are 5 kids and 5 elderly. Would you prefer nobody boarded the boat and they all died because you can not save all of them? (Please spare me the crap like children are smaller then adults or squeezing in one more, we both know what this analogy means)
Don’t get fertility treatments as it’s a known fact that getting the fertility treatments raises the risks of multiple births.. When you’re infertile And go through this most people are sane enough and desperate enough they’d do it. Because they’ve tried so hard for so long they want the best. And if the best is killing a few to save a few most people would do it. Try being infertile for 10+ years then you’ll understand. If you haven’t been infertile you’ll never get it. Stop being so apathetic Ingrid Guevara. You’re shaming women who’ve had to deal with infertility and thats not acceptable, especially coming from someone who is most likely fertile.
Fertility treatments are fine, but they should be done sensibly! In Europe there are laws that prevent a woman from becoming pregnant of that many fetuses through fertility treatment. For example, in my country when IVF is used only two embryos are allowed to be placed back in the womb at a time (the rest can be frozen for a second try). When IUI is used no more than two eggs can be released for the doctor to be allowed to add the sperm. Remember these embryos can still split in the womb, so higher number multiples are still not impossible, just less likely.
It's very sad and I do sympathize, but they only implant so many embryos to try to ensure that a few will 'take'. Attempting to keep all six was a gamble that didn't pay off. Doctors helped to achieve that pregnancy, it's a shame they stopped taking their advice once it happened.
TJ Wells they did not implant they used fertility drugs but they are stil hipocrits because if they trustedin God why would you use fertility in the first place?
Sheri For that's ridiculous that's like saying if you believe in God you shouldn't use medicine or you should cross the street blindfolded. Science and help from doctors are not something that disprove God, even with doctors help many people can't get pregnant everything is in God's plan
Ingrid Guevara Are you saying it was God's plan for them to use doctor's help to get pregnant but not to use doctor's help to keep the babies? Or that it was God's plan for them to try so hard so they could experience the pain of losing them?
Ingrid Guevara Their choice to keep all fetuses, against medical advice, killed all their babies. The chance all of them would go full term where extremely low. Had they followed the doctors plan and removed some when they still where conscious-less cell clumps, there would most likely not have been any baby that had to suffer, though for a short time, and die and the family would have gotten siblings to the first two. No matter how you turn it, babies will die, so why not go for the option that kill the least and only undeveloped cell clumps that's not much more of a child then a sperm or an egg are?
That's what you get for not listening to the doctors. My aunt got artificially inseminated. 3 of them took and the doctors wanted to terminate one because my aunt is tiny. They refused. She gave birth at 24 weeks because her body couldn't handle it. They're alive today thankfully, but she could very well have lost them. Listen To Your Doctors
Expression doctors don’t know everything. Why do some people treat them like God? She could’ve reduced and the rest still could’ve died. She took a chance either way.
The statistics overwhelmingly disagree with your argument. Had she reduced, her pregnancy risks would've decreased in line with the number she reduced to. This is fact. You are stating opinion.
saws2006 and no. It isn’t opinion. It’s just common sense. Doctors can give medical advice but they aren’t always right. I’ve dealt with a lot of doctors over my life because of health issues. A good number don’t know what they’re doing.
I'm trying to hold my tears.... when I was pregnant, a lady was pregnant with 4 babies in my baby group and we all were very excited for her but she lost them all at 22 weeks I think. it broke my heart and I always think of that lady and now I feel so broken for this family as well 💔
This is really sad. But this is why they offered selective reduction. They should have went with what their doctors option. Blessed be. I hope they heal. everyday.
Shelby Smith I would have done that absolutely. But they're really religious and that's considered abortion... it would have been against their beliefs.
I hate abortion! Don't get me wrong. I'm completely against it also. But, it would have been better to do what was recommended than loose all their beautiful blessings. Its just so sad things go that way, yano? Just breaks my heart people have to go through this. I hope everyday I never go through something like this. I don't think id come out of it. Thank you for commenting! (And being nice) Nice to know we still have good people in this cruel world!
I'm not pro abortion but I'm definitely pro choice. It's a woman's right to choose. Which is exactly why I support her choice not to. In her position, I probably would have gone with the reduction because the likelyhood of carrying 6 to term was low. But I respect that her belief is that abortion is wrong, regardless of the reason. My beliefs are different but it doesn't mean I can't respect hers. And I agree, I'm sure it was an unbelievably hard situation for her to be in. There are no words. Which is why I don't want to add my judgement to an already heartbreaking situation you know?
As parent you would rather give every child an equal chance to fight and live that to choose to 'terminate' one. Carrying your children inside of you is no different than physically carrying them in your arms. You love each one as an individual ad would die before you let anyone or anything hurt them. You wouldn't choose to 'terminate' the lives of 2 born children to save the lives of the other 5 born children; so why do the same to unborn children. But that is simply my decision. My thought go out to this family! It is beyond any understanding what they must be going through! RIP to those poor little girls!
*I have twins,emergency c-section delivered@ 28 wks&4days, very high risk pregnancy. I also have Multiple Sclerosis, epilepsy. Combined weight of both my premature daughters: 5lbs5ounces. My "oldest" twin had a very difficult start once she entered this world. Her skull was crushed, she was swollen, and not breathing on her own. Her doctor wasn't sure she was strong enough to fight through?... Against My doctor's orders, I got out of bed&went to the NICU where my precious miracles where fighting to stay alive. I went up to my daughters incubators&she wrapped her teeny tiny hand around my finger, then I whispered to her, "Stay strong Angel! Don't give up, I know you can win this fight, I love you. mommy loves you. The very next day their doctor informed nurses, my daughter was breathing 75% on her own. She was on her way to recovery! now they're 8yrs old, and in the third grade. Looking at them now you can not tell they were premature baby's. God is Good!* *God Bless This Family*
Rachael Gibson god does amazing things. bless you and your family. hope you and your daughters live a happy and healthy life. i wish the best for all of you!💜
From someone who has PCOS and has struggled to get pregnant, has had 4 losses.. If they said about selective reduction to me I would do it to give the other a chance at life. My heart hurts for them.
Still it seems very odd that she had PCOS but she had two young children. I could see if it the kids were, say, elementary school age. But it seems like she was trying to have too many kids too quickly.
not to sound horrible but a human is not made to carry that many babies, we don't have litters. selective reduction isn't pleasant but perhaps if they chose that they would have had 2 or 3 survive.
You're exactly right. Hell, even terminating just one would've raised the chances of survival for the other babies. I feel terrible for this family but this could have been avoided.
Ppl just don't realize how big a risk and unnatural having more than 1 baby is. These types of numbers naturally abort. The human body can only handle so much. Unrealistic expectations if they thought they'd make it full term. I blame the media & octomoms
that doesn't make it any easier. how do you decide to kill some of your babies so the others will live. that is an impossible decision and no good parent could make that decision. you obviously have never lost a child.
+J Mac please don't make generalizations like that. Maybe it wasn't your intention, but "No good parent could make that decision" makes it sound like anyone who decides to selectively reduce is a bad parent. They are not. Sometimes that is what has to be done.
I've never been so disgusted by a RUclips comment section in my life! So, all of you have the magical, mystical power of seeing alternate timelines, right? You know for sure that if she had gone with the reduction, the rest of her babies would have lived, right? It's such a given because having 7 children is so normal that all outcomes are easily predicted and there is an exact formula to calculate the perfect outcome, right? You all sound so ignorant. She chose between two extremely difficult choices. She could have aborted two or three of her children (still with a very high chance of losing all of the babies), or she could let all of her children have a chance to make it into the world. Either way, there was a high chance of tragedy, and the fact that people are blaming these parents for the deaths of these girls is so sickening to me.
+SwordTV but, it is. They were told the consequences of carrying so many fetuses at once. They choose to take that risk, and then what the doctor explained to them that could happen, happened. So, who didn't listen? Her and the husband.
+oOMissPoodlePantsOo - Well neither did octomom who gave birth to 8 babies and neither did Kate Gosselin- who gave birth to all her 6. They all made that choice and their kids wouldn't be here if they chose to kill them. This couple had the same hope as the other couples who didn't loose their multiples had. They just weren't the lucky ones. How many singleton pregnancies end up in a loss in stillbirth, miss miscarriage, late term miscarriage, and born too early they can't survive just like these little ones? This happens all the time. Pregnancy is a gamble. Anything can go wrong at any moment. Nothing is a sure thing. Who's to say if they did choose to reduce that any of the others would have survived?
+Jessica641 I get what your saying but usally the kids from multiple pregnacys are there because of science and constant care, They prob. had to be in the hospital for atleast 2 months before they went home. They were all born premature and super small. Idk about you but back in the old days, you push and birth and as long as the baby wasent facing the wrong way or the cord wasent wrapped around their neck. No other medical attention was needed 90% of the time. I mean, imagine anyone spending 2 months or 6 months straight in the hospital. Who would want that?
"And even considered adoption". Oh God forbid it comes to that...last resort, right? That kind of attitude really irritates me. Adoption is a beautiful thing and there are millions of orphans in the world who need a family.
I agree with that Nicola. I was adopted at the age of 9. There are so many children that need parents why bring more children into an already crowded world.
Nicola DeFalco please... I am sure they didn't think of it that way. Again... families have to do what is right for them. Adoption is beautiful but not every family can handle that... there is nothing wrong with wanting to have biological children. I would personally love to adopt... but I doubt I will ever be able to swing the $20,000 it costs to adopt internationally which is what I would prefer
No one in the world think on adopt first than having your own child not even you so please give it a rest and just be mercy cause if you don't know what is it to loss a child then you don't have a part in this discussion. It irritates even more your empty bonehead.... ggeezz
+Child of Yah When people put the reasons for something all in God's hands, they are admonishing their own culpability. The doctors told her a reduction would be the best thing to save at least some of the babies lives. The couple refused to take responsibility and avoided the reduction, so just as the doctors predicted, babies died. It had NOTHING to do with God.
I watched another short documentary about this couple and it is just sad. The couple said they didn't want to "play god" by reducing the pregnancy. But they played god when they used medication that caused her to hyper-ovulate, it is all very hypocritical. Also, the mother obviously has an eating disorder and is malnourished, you can't expect to carry that many babies when you can't even nourish yourself. She was doing exercises when she should have been on bed rest with such high order multiples. So many instances of selfishness with this couple all in the name of "god". I only feel bad for the babies who died.
+Simiopath I hate to say it but I agree about the eating thing, I mean it's possible, what woman looks that thin after having any amount of babies? My late mom was thin because she had an unknown thyroid problem but I looked it up and the condition they said the mom in this story has a side affect of weight gain, their is most likely something wrong. Not to mention she's more then likely young and yet she looks way older, that tends to be a sign of poor nutrition. My mom still looked 40 when she died.
She needs help not judgement :// and they didn't 'play God' in the sense they didn't make the choice to terminate any of the little ones lives. Just because they utilised modern medicine to enhance their chances of producing life, doesn't mean they played God. I feel for the mum.
Actually not stating my opinion one way or the other but women with PCOS are naturally that thin. They genetically have issues with their weight and some women can't gain weight to save their lives no matter how much they eat.
+Simiopath who the hell are you to say she has an eating disorder? she just had half a dozen little vampires sucking the nutrients out of her, it's reasonable to expect her to be a lightweight at this point. and if this vid was only a week after her loss, she's probably anemic as hell. septuplet pregnancies almost never occur with standard PCOS treatments, so they had no reason to expect this. if they could not, in good conscience, kill any of their babies without regretting it for the rest of their lives, then they made the right choice. knowing the outcome is not likely to be great doesn't mean she shouldn't have tried her best.
As someone who feels much empathy for this family and who, like them, believes in a higher power, I will respectfully comment that fertility treatment borders on "playing God" as much as selective reduction does. We medically engineer conception and label it a miracle, but call medically sustaining it a sin? What troubles me is not the [lack of] logic in itself, but the emotional suffering that it costs good people, like this couple, who subscribe to it. It is difficult to watch people suffering when they didn't have to, and that's what makes this story such a sad one.
Actually, fertility treatment and "selective reduction" (aka ending the lives of children who are alive) are NOT even close to the same thing. One creates lives, one ends them. Those two things are inherently different.
They implant as many "embryos" as possible, the couple decides how many they try to implant. The embryo has to thrive though. In this case, they lost 1 out of 7 very quickly. Even so 6 is not common and so rare the UK in 2009 (look it up!) recorded the first natural conceived and survived sextuplets. That's 6 babies. The less embryos in utero the more likely the embryos can survive to fetus and to viable births. Selective reduction gives a chance at life whereas refusing selectively reducing the amount of embryos increases the risk of fetal death. So in this case, their choice resulted in all 7 dying. Your argument is illogical.
rae I agree 100%, i was thinking this throughout the whole video. They already had two beautiful biological children. Why couldn’t they have adopted and spared the heartache and trauma?
Honestly, if it would have saved some babies. she should have terminated. Instead of losing all of them, she would have had at least one. Doctors know what is best, so if they tell you that your best chance is something that goes against your "beliefs", and you go against that, I will not be sorry for you. You are educated people who took a great personal and monetary loss, just because you thought you were "doing right by god". And now you have no babies. How is that right by God at all?? The doctor literally told you this would happen and you're still surprised??
+Gamergirl 2223 no, they were told to terminate some if the early embryos. it's literally not even worth arguing bc people like you believe a fetus has more rights than an actual woman.
Yeah, don't waste your time trying. It would have been super hard to have to do, but she would have probably left the hospital with a couple babies instead of having a funeral for all of them. In the end, I'm sorry for them, but that was their choice. They gambled and lost big.
Yeah, again, she would have been able to keep a few rather than losing all of them. By your logic, she just committed murder. Good job. It's a choice. You do not get to have a definitive say on what I do with my body. And up until 20 weeks (which is the point where a fetus could possibly survive OUTSIDE a body), it is not a "baby". Abortion is necessary. Why do you think we have so much poverty? And what about woman who were raped? Do you think it's right they have to bear a pregnancy that they did not want, nor deserve?? Think about these things the next time you want to argue with adults.
I’m so sorry for your loss!! I lost my twin boy and girl at 21 weeks as well and know exactly what you went through. We also held our babies and they lived for 2 hours as well.
Very sorry for their loss. But, I hope that couples who have love in their hearts and enough stability in their finances to expand their families will open their hearts a little wider, and adopt children who greatly need their love and stability. IF NOT, love your neighbors, friends, and even strangers. There are SO MANY people who are already on this planet, who need their love and stability. Take care of the ones who need the love and support. Look around and see the need.
All you can think to say is “I’m sorry.” But as a mother myself, I know that’s not enough and that there truly are no words. My heart is heavy for you.
People who say she should of got rid of some of the babies floor me..look at your children and decide which one you will let go..Not going happen..Many people have had 6 babies and some more..I am sorry for their losses and hope them the best.
terminating a few UNBORN babies or getting rid of a already breathing child is no where near the same or close to the same thing. It was extremely early into the pregnancy, they wouldn't have felt pain or anything. She gambled her children's life and lost.
There's a huge difference between reducing the number of foetuses inside a woman and killing a child already born. Women are not meant to have litters of children like this. Fertility drugs should be banned. If you can't have a baby of your own, your God is telling you something. Go adopt.
I feel so sorry for them but she really should have considered the reduction more. That could have saved some of the babies. I know it's gotta be hard for other mothers who had to do that pick which ones to essentially kill but she should have really thought about her decision
I agree if she had done what the doctor said she would have saved some of her babys but I also understand her maternal instinct not to be able to make such a choice. That being said I think it's also kind of selfish to have that many children at once as they wouldn't all get the attention they need. It's a hard decision to make but I agree.
It's easy to say, to think about the reduction more. Until your in that shoes, its a hard choice to make, and a reduction could risk ALL of them. Its sad, but no one knows what the future would have been if she reduced or not.
No harm in what she said, some people already know what they would do, before they get pregnant. This is a conversation many couples have before getting pregnant (not multiples, but what if something happens). Some people know they are 100% against abortion (which is what this procedure is, selective abortion).
I know everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but those of you who are bashing these poor people for not reducing their babies are heartless!! These people made the choice not to abort (yes, that's what they would have done) any of their babies and I don't blame them!!! I wouldn't have done it either!! And they ended up losing them all sadly 😢💔 have some respect and keep your negative comments to yourselves! my thoughts and prayers go out to the family 🙏
I don't think we're heartless, I think we're saying she could have had a successful pregnancy and at least one healthy baby if they'd listened to the doctor.
+ladydontekno So, your saying that she should have killed her other children to save maybe one? Because that's what she would have done. There is no garentee that any of them would have made it at all, even if she would have had the reduction. Like I said, I would have made the same decision she did.
+Amanda Nava if by "killing the other children" you mean having a selective abortion, then yes, she would have had a better chance at a successful pregnancy if she'd done that. No pregnancy is 100% guaranteed to be successful, but there are steps people can take to have a better chance of a successful pregnancy. And in this case, that would have been having the selective abortion.
I’m not blaming the Mom but someone needs to make her eat some more because I’m ninety percent sure being that skinny while carrying septuplets is dangerous and deadly not to forget she now looks like a skeleton, like I said. I’m not blaming the Mom but seriously I’m worried about her.
How can a mother pick and choose which child she keeps alive and which one's she kills? They made their choice and they're living with that choice. They chose to not give up on their babies. To give each and every one a chance at life. Just happened to not end well for them in the end. Unless you have been in this situation then you don't know what you would or wouldn't do. I personally would have done things the way they did. I wouldn't be able to choose one of my kids lives over the other. They were conceived together and carried together. If it's meant for them to die together then so be it. Apparently wasn't meant to be in this case for them to be brought into this world. My heart goes out to them for their loss. Doesn't bother me at all if no one agrees with me or not. We're all in titled to our opinions. I don't judge anyone on how they feel. We're all different.
Crystal Rusmisel She gave them all a very small chance of survival instead of terminating a few before they developed any further so then the rest could live.
You should research selective reduction in scientific articles. She doesn't pick and choose. A doctor determines which are most likely to survive based on placement, whether or not any share sacs/placenta, if genetic testing is done then that is used as well.
avamyst70 no they said that because they were supposed to have 7 kids but one died so when they said that they wish they had more feet to add to the photo that means that they wish that 7th baby was still alive to take that picture
How can so many people make such cruel comments? Regardless on what you think she should have done, she is a grieving mother. At least respect that and have some compassion.
Why go through all of that when they already had 2 perfectly healthy girls? If you really wanted another child, then go an adopt one. Our bodies are not meant to carry that many babies at once. Just my opinion.
+Anzuri you misunderstood the obvious implication. I will elaborate: We are always free to choose to respond and to criticize and argue as you are choosing, however, "with freedom comes great reosponsibilty." In other words, you can choose to be a mean person, but you can also choose to have integrity. You will also choose to learn nothing from my advice, and thus further communications are futile.
@Giselle G open comments or not...have a heart and stop being so damn judgy. I am 99.9% sure you didn't go through losing 6 babies. So until you walk in their shoes...keep your trap shut. Please and thank you.
Loriayle right what's worse ending up killing all your babies because your so "righteous" or giving at least some of them a chance to life. I wouldn't get an abortion but in this case I would because if I decided to carry all to term the risk would have been too great
There’s a difference between survival and intentionally killing. Can you imagine looking at the ultrasound and picking and choosing which baby you want to allow to live?
Alice Wanders I’m thinking they may have done that after they lost one of the babies and there were only 6 left. I was thinking the same thing at first though.
Alice Wanders Yes. They were told seven but she miscarried one early on. So, the photo was more than taken after. So. The four of them plus the six surviving babies at the time is ten.
If you were pregnant and the doctor told you to choose only a few of your babies to be alive? so basically kill maybe 3 or 4 of them? would you do that? I mean I wouldn't..
I would've reduced. I have many fertility problems due to other medical conditions , and it would be safer for me and my children to reduce. I'm going to be honest -- I'm not a "logical" person. I'm a professional writer -- I spend quite a bit of time in lala land, but I don't see the sense in this. They already had two kids, which for a lot of women with infertility would literally be a miracle. But I wouldn't call this anyone's "fault". It was really just a collection of extremely bad choices that led to an unimaginably tragic circumstance. There's no one to specifically blame, but it certainly could've been prevented.
+Addy Norman I would like to hear you expound a little more, they apparently had principles which prevented their reducing. One extremely bad choice was the doctor in charge of the gestation, who literally pulled the plug (cervical pessary) on it when she came in at 21 weeks in PTL.
+Michael Ray Overby It was never stated that she had a cervical pessary, and if she had waited too long to come in (they stated that they were in denial), then labor could've progressed too far to intervene. These people already had two children. Women like me would give anything for that. If they had just been happy with what they had -- then this wouldn't have occurred. If they had reduced -- then this wouldn't have occurred. If the fertility doctor had been more cautious -- then this wouldn't have occurred. I'm not gonna get too far into principles, but I think they made the wrong choice. If you have fertility problems, then chances are -- something is going to go wrong in your pregnancy. They're clearly very religious, and it can be hard for people with that kind of passion (for anything really) to be reasoned into doing something other than what they believe they should do. It's sometimes hard for me to understand how people can be so blindly religious, but when comes to certain things (such as writing), I can be just as fanatical. That's about as close as I can come to making sense of this situation. Ultimately, for me, logic trumps faith. If I were lucky enough to ever actually be able to maintain a pregnancy, I would do whatever was medically best -- but that's just me.
They have a WordPress blog, I'll update with the info on that. That's where everything came from regarding her mismanaged labor, including the pessary. The "fertility doctor' only prescribed 1 cycle of Clomid that resulted in the original Septuplets. Your writing is indeed beautifully rational. I'll get you the address to their wordpress site. Thank you for your answer Addy.
The comment section should be closed. This is sickening to read some of the comments you people are leaving. My thoughts go out to the family. Fly high angel babies
I'm sad they lost their babies but I have to agree with some of the comments it's kinda their fault she should've had selective reduction done first of all she knows she had issues getting pregnant then she had pcos and she pushed her body weigh to much to hold 7 it's a shame she could've had 4 babies in her arms instead of 7 gone
Gambling would have been to selectively choose which children live. The procedure could have ended up killing all the children. Then people would have said she was selfish. No one will ever win this argument. Shame on you.
Please state your source. WebMD" "Risks- When there are three or more fetuses in the uterus, their risks of disability or death are higher with each additional fetus. A successful MFPR increases the chances of healthy survival for the remaining fetuses and reduces risks to you. But MFPR sometimes leads to miscarriage of the remaining fetuses, preterm labor, or infection." The term used was SOMETIMES, not rarely, or just 0.09% chance.
I've been working in the healthcare field for 10 years now. I've seen some of the best ER doctors use WebMD to help diagnose patients. Is it perfect? No, but neither is a human. But does it serve a purpose? Absolutely!.
OMG... My heart just breaks for this couple. What a heart wrenching decision to have to make... All these judgemental people need to STOP!!! God please comfort this family in their time of grief...
I don't mean to sound insensitive but I'm sure I will, but evacuating even 2-3 of the babies would have given the rest a better chance. I think they were selfish and it cost them their babies.
I agree. I am so sad for their loss (which was monumental) and I really understand why a lot of people wouldn't want an abortion in a normal situation... but this isn't a normal situation. Their choice to not evacuate a few caused the deaths of the rest... I understand people are very tightly attached to their personal values but blatantly speaking they gambled with those babies lives, to save themselves from whatever guilt they'd have experienced if they'd listened to the doctor. Seems a bit selfish to me, but it's a really hard choice to make I suppose...
By choosing none of them, they chose all of them. If my doctor told me that's what my inaction would probably do, I would let the doctor select the ones he thought were least viable to evacuate and leave it at that. Would it be a hard decision? Of course. It's playing with lives. Probably also helps I'm pro-choice and have no issue with abortion before viability; I can see why someone who is pro-life would abhor this kind of decision.
So many comments here that lack heart, and tact... Some need to learn, "if you don't have anything kind to say then just don't say it." Your opinions about her body or feelings about her choice to try and birth all of her children are obscenely inhumane and hurtful. Please, try to consider this is a person; a woman, a mother, a daughter, a wife... and she had been so traumatized that she wants to connect with people to share her story and to feel healing through love and support...Not more suffering. May you evolve compassionately. May you understand Love supreme. Remember, we are all related... Would you throw your words and judgements so loosely onto a friend or a sister? Think before you speak. Pause before your act. I am very sorry for your overwhelming loss. Have Faith and may you Love everything... Even your pain..sacred and challenging teacher... May your daughters stay wrapped in the light of heaven- warm and safe... Until you meet again. Xo
I agree with you , People can be ABSOLUTELY Heartless. My heart goes out to the Parents. Even if she had taken the Doctor's advice and aborted one or two babies, there Still was "NO" GUARANTEE THAT THE OTHER BABIES WOULD HAVE SURVIVED. THERE IS ONE CONSULATION THOUGH, MUM & DAD WILL BE VERY BUSY IN HEAVEN.....WHEN THEIR TIME COMES, RAISING THEIR BEAUTIFUL BABIES. 💗💗💗💗💗💗💗
I cant imagine loosing one baby never mind 7 all at once. Such brave people telling their story. I hope this family is able to heal and have a happy life. Rip little angels
Omg this is so sad. My mom and dad were trying to get pregnant for years. They finally did with their first baby. It was a boy and his name is Alex. Alex did not make it. He came out dead unfortunately. But then they had my older sister and then they had me. But it was still really hard for them and the still get sad
Okay so let me get this straight. They are upset they passed but they were heavily warned that the kids would not make it? Would you rather have twins than 7 dead babies? I understand the loss is heart breaking, but they could have made the best of it and came out with two very healthy twins or even triplets. Not to mention they named them before the mark of "having a chance". It's like counting your eggs before they hatch. Even women carrying on child are told a date to wait until.
Have you ever lost a baby? Obviously not. Just because you're told they won't survive doesn't stop a mother from loving the babies inside her. And some people don't want abortions. If I was asked to reduce the amount of babies I would never be able to because I couldn't look at the babies that were alive and think of the ones that didn't make it. I can't believe people are making rude and negative comments. Can't we just be respectful to parents who lost their babies and let them grieve and show them love and support without a bunch of people blaming them and being mean?
+sushibu God gives life and God takes life. It is all Gods plan for HIS glory. The couple firmly believes in Jesus as their Savior and LORD of the life. This is faith. This is Gods grace in action here. For other believers they know that the couple made the right choice and I as a born again Christian would have done the same thing. Their babies live. God said I am not the God of the dead but of the living. Amen.
+karen dufft Your right, everyone should have died, including the mom. Then the 2 children she already have would have been let without a mom. Much Much better then choosing a safe number of children to have.
karen dufft I was being sarcastic not ignorant. There is some serious risk with this type of pregnacy and they could have ALL died. This is a fact that shouldnt be taken lightly. She put the posiblilty of having 7 kids ahead of the kids she already has. And you cannot deny i am speaking the truth.
I'm so sorry for your loss, I'm sure the babies are heavens lil angels and watching over your family and praying for you to be happy even without them, but they are always with you in your heart
This poor family. All these people in the comments saying they should've just killed some of those little girls to begin with are sick. Those saying it's her fault (Because obviously it was her choice to become pregnant with seven babies) are disgusting. You wouldn't blame a non-Christian if this happened to them.
She chose to agree to have 7 embryos implanted, therefore she chose the risk of having 7 babied growing in her instead of going through the process more then once and potentially having all 7 with them...
This is kinda their fault... Sure maybe downsizing the pregnancy wasnt what they wanted but in result they all died anyways. Its very common that even 2 babies dont make it full term!
I feel so heartbroken for them they don't deserve that
Me too I cried
I can’t imagine how they feel
BabySalv GAMING they don't they deserve more they need all of the kids on that sixth bday she would have took the kids to chuckey Chess and I'm sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo sorry for your los😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Well basically the doctor already told them the chances of survival were to be low, therefore the option of termination. Soooo it's not like they weren't aware of the possible consequences. Hope dies last...and with that did all of their children, too.
I have next to no pity for those two but I feel for the children.
Miidy Sama AMEN. Finally someone with more brain cells than emotions. Thank God.
I'm so sorry for your loss.
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Lmfao like it’s not expected!
Selective reduction was offered for a reason
but how could anyone the decision to murder their child?
+Renee Furrer "make"
when it's in the best interest for the rest of the children, the decision needs to be made. If she had reduced, at least some of the babies would have survived. Now, none of them did. So, in the end, which decision came out worse? I know it's harsh, but her decision "murdered" (as you put it) her children.
princessAlexis but now all of them are dead, so it's like choosing all of them to die.
+Ariana Martinez did you know even aborting some of them is a risk to all of them even if she abort a few the other babies could have died as well. there are risks with both options. Your allowed to state your opinion but do not judge other people's choices
I'm just shaking my head at the people on here who think selective abortion is bad, but think fertility treatments that result in horrible survival statistics for large multiple pregnancies are ok... talk about a disconnect.
At least someone is mentioning it.
Vaneska59 I'm not quite sure what you mean.
The point about fertility treatments that result in multiple pregnancy.
Vaneska59 ah ok
Or that euthanasia is ok because they're not humans.
She looks so tired, her husband looks younger then she is but not sure if she is older or not. So sad, they are heavens lil angles now. Bless them.
when does her appearance become something to talk about? the video was about 2 parents devastated about the loss of their infant children
+Teresa Balbuena I don't think Sabrina meant it in a terrible way. I think it was more to bring out how not only was losing the children emotionally draining, but also physically draining.
it could be thats she's under weight in this video...being underweight can make you look older just like being obese
Based on what they showed and what Steve's wikipedia page says, they both attended college from 2003-2007 so they are probably around the same age.
thin face thats why
Sad story, but the human body simply isn't made to carry those many embryos at once! I hope they consider adoption again, so many children out there in need of a good home...
Sorry you are incorrect. A pregnant woman with multiple babies can carry up to 32 weeks gestation. But are classified as high risk.
It is extremely rare but I have read/heard of some mothers carrying multiple babies full term.
It's rare for a reason. Fertility treatments were how she got pregnant in the first place, so high risk or not, the human body still wasn't made to gestate so many. Otherwise it'd be more common with a higher success rate.
+FlowingDepths if the human body wasnt made to gestate so many embryos in one go then she wouldnt of fallen pregnant at all..
It is very possible for the human body to hold more then one fetus but the risk factors are there and that is why early intervention/planning takes place.
Like I said if we werent able to concieve (natually or through IVF) multiples babies then our bodies should naturally (not) keep the pregnancy but that isnt the case.
Fertility drugs, not IVF, is tied to causing triplet or higher births. Multi-fetal birth brings with it the possibility for life long problems in the babies, and a high risk of prematurity. Again, the woman in the video got pregnant with the help of fertility drugs, and you are partially correct in your last sentence, the human body typically does "naturally (not) keep" such pregnancies. Hence the woman in the video's unfortunate run in with prematurity in her embryos. Again, sad case.
+Metonymy1979 ... I meant that some people can choose concieving through IVF, naturally or having them implanted..
I dont see how she is a hypocrite - yes she took the risk and unfortunately miscarried all her babies but she never meant any harm.
You do realise how hard it is for some couples to even concieve either through having pcos, being told they are unlikely to bare children or have a medical illness that prevents them from even concieving. It is mentally draining and very stressful and unless you have had experienced a miscarriage or are put in her shoes to REALLY understand her reasons for wanting to keep all the babies then you need to back off. End of story.
My cousin has triples, but since her body type is small, she loss all of the three, she's 4'9 since she cant have babies anymore, she her husband decided to adopt. The lady here gain 7 angels
she didn't. they all passed away
no she said "angels" bc their in heaven now
do you think if a person is small like your cousin they most likely wont be able to have children? im so sorry about your cousin btw :( im 4'10 and so im just curious and i have always feared i wont be able to have children. i do want to adopt one day but i also would like to give birth.
+MyLifeAsLana my neighbor is all of 5'0 and 120lbs and has 7 healthy gorgeous children. Don't allow other people to cause fear in your heart.
+MyLifeAsLana My cousins Ashlynn, Amanda, and Tracy are all small, and all 3 have gotten pregnant and given birth to healthy babies. Ashlynn and Amanda have 1 son each, Tracy has 2 kids: 1 girl and 1 boy. It's possible, don't let anyone tell you otherwise!!
that pain will never go away. I had my baby girl at 25wks and she past away at 5wks old... I don't wish it upon anyone. It's still painful...
kristina beaubien Aw I feel for you. I really hope it gets better for you.
kristina beaubien at least you got to know her, see her, hug her, feed her, change her clothes, etc
kristina beaubien I'm sorry.
kristina beaubien I'm so sorry. I pray you become pregnant again and have a rainbow 🌈 baby.
kristina beaubien Im so sorry for your loss.
The did have another baby!
"Hayden Thomas Justice
7 lbs, 14 ounces,
19.5 inches,
Born on March 23rd, 2016,
exactly 18 months after his sisters came and left on September 23rd, 2014."
yay
And a boy this time!
how do you know
Lilliana Keen h
Easy. Google their names.
Obviously a loss is devastating (I can't even imagine) - but the doctors suggest reduction to prevent EXACTLY what this couple unfortunately experienced. Loss/preterm/disability is the norm with pregnancies with this many embryos.
+Vanessa Carlsen exactly. I feel for them because i can't imagine this amount of loss, but they seem oblivious and unrealistic. I feel like they set themselves up for failure.
+Vanessa Carlsen Yeah, like the OctoMom. She had 8 & lost... Never mind... The issue as I see it is that Lindsay left the Local Yokel in charge of the gestation, even after the No Talent Fool said "It's unethical to Stop True Labor" to her weeks before. This gestation needed some World Class Care & unfortunately such was Lacking. I feel she was perfectly within the bounds of Medical Reason to refuse Sel Red, she just needed a better doctor to manage her Septuplets. What they didn't say on this NewsBite is that her Doctor Yokel said "Let me pull the Pessary so I can get a Better Look..." She deserved better care & did not get it. Sad.
If they had picked a physician with a decent skillset All of them could have survived. Mom should have launched a search just as soon as she started hearing about how the Local Yokel 'needed her to Reduce' & gone wherever that talent was based. Nadya Suleiman did not reduce nor did she need to, her gestation had Zero Losses despite having 2 pairs of Monochorionic Identicals included, which raised her level of risk Astronomically above this case here, in which each baby had her own placenta. Her doctor gave up in week 22 & pulled out the cervical pessary. That's why all 7 babies died.
+Vanessa Carlsen the problem with that logic is that a large number of women who selectively reduce go on to lose all the embryos...the very action involved can and frequently does cause miscarriage to the rest.... you have to trust than any parents in this situation or a similar one have carefully and painfully considered all the information they are given and then make the best choice for them and their family at THAT moment in time....
Well said Deemail100. By the time the Sel Red gets performed we are more properly discussing Fetuses & not Embryos. My main Thesis here, if you will, is that this mom was actually in need of World Class expertise, such as that which Nadya Suleiman, the "Octomom" had available to her. The video does not make it clear, however using her name as a search key there is a Wordpress blog of hers that makes more of the awful tragedy apparent. It would seem that Mom had the impression that Mother Earth, God, & the Country Doctor were all that she needed to allow these babies to be Liveborn. I feel she was wrong in this, & that the Country Doctor especially was the wrong choice to make in this gestation that could have benefitted greatly from a medical team Hip to the latest techniques in gestational management. The Old Doc went as far as to tell her that "It's Unethical, to Stop True Labor." Which sounds Nice & Folksy, yet is a Truly Stupid thing to say. Labor which can be stopped is not "True", is it? I am sorry for her Losses.
Yes, it's sad, but I can't understand why they are so eager to have such a big family. If I was going to potentially have 9 kids in total, I would pass out from fear.
Did all of the babies in her stomach die?
Babies are from the uterus. And yes, they did all die.
Religion.
i knew someone who had 11 kids...
silentArtist00 my parents have 9 kids and still surviving . Not all at once but one by one. So it's not so bad .
*I am sorry for their loss however, that’s precisely why the doctor highly suggested selective reduction to avoid this heartbreak. 7 babies trying to survive, one dies others fail too.*
Captcha Neon
Selective reduction is just another word for murder. That wouldn't have been any better than what happened. Because even if they had "reduced" their pregnancy and the other babies had survived, they would still have to live with the blood guilt of killing babies.
I’m sorry but if I was pregnant with multiple babies and the doctor said to improve the others chance of survival for the other ones I would do the selective reduction. I feel that’s why her babies didn’t have a chance. She was also a small woman and her body probably couldn’t take anymore hence why she went into early labor.
+ToLovelyJesus It's not "murder". You can't "murder" a part of your body. At the point where they're just a bundle of cells, and not viable, sentient beings, they're just another part of her body, with the POTENTIAL to be a separate life form. But I'm sure it would've been much easier to deal with, if they had a couple/few kids to show for it, instead of having them ALL die, and having planned for nothing. It's like making the choice between letting a doctor amputate your leg, or dying of an infection from your leg, spreading to your heart. It should be a no-brainer.
Remy Mafia you’ve got to be joking to compare those two situations. Those babies ALL had a heartbeat so they weren’t just clumps of cells and an extra part of her body. Your leg being amputated is nothing at all like a selective reduction which is an elective abortion technically.
+Taunya I'm talking about the point in which they first learned they had a dangerous number of embryos forming. Even if it was after they developed heartbeats, they still weren't viable. They weren't even viable at 5 months. Hence, why they died almost immediately, when separated from their mom's body.
Please just adopt.... So, so, so many children who need love in the world...
Thats true but it is alot of money to adopt a child and its very complicated going through the process of doing it, but that is very true.
+good camp it is a lot of money to have a child too..
+Amber Locked They were playing God when they conceived 7 babies using fertility drugs.
they have no more obligation to adopt than you do.
Or! You could realize that some women want to give birth to their own children. That doesn't lessen their love for children, but to give birth to a child who is a mix of YOU and your husband is a sacred thing that some women want. And it's rude to suggest that her wanting that isn't right.
I’m so sorry for her loss... but she looks really unhealthy? Is it just me?
Emily McPhedran she looks like shes dying
jane Doe i just said she looks like death. Something is up
It was probably because she had 7 babies living off of her. That can't be healthy
jane Doe there are people that carry multiple babies and not look as unwell as her. Maybe it’s just her looks but it was the first thing I thought :/
Yeah ya know recently miscarrying 7 babies makes you the picture of health
I'm in tears god bless you my heart is truly broken
The doctor literally told them this would be the outcome...
xscemesx the same doctor that shouldn't have inplanted too many embryos 😑
The doctors have to implant multiple embryos at a time because with infertility usually ur body rejects them so to increase your chances of a successful pregnancy this is the method. And usually only one actually makes it to be fertilized. Very rarely does it happen where so many actually latch on, how u get ppl like her or the octo-mom. But yea it sucks and is a really sad story but u cant deny physics when statistics are given to u and u choose to blantly ignore it. #RIPBabies
Danielle Lofton In Europe they only inplant 1 though. 2 if you're older.
Oh wow I learned something new.
Danielle Lofton you are completely wrong. They do not ever have to implant that many embryos. Most responsible IVF doctors won’t implant that number. There’s a chance they split to twins also. This doctor was negligent and greedy.
If the septuplets survived wouldn't it be 11 not 10
She had already miscarried one
thats wath I was thinking
Actually, I think it was before they found out that they were going to have 7 instead of 6.
I know this is an old thread but she miscarried one early before she unfortunately lost the others :(
oh Yea. haha
I'm so sorry for their lost
But they still have their two beautiful girls. Yes it's sad that the babies died. But even it they did live, they probably would've had terrible medical problems.
But they still have their two beautiful girls. Yes it's sad that the babies died. But even it they did live, they probably would've had terrible medical problems.
Same here. Could NOT imagine losing one baby let alone 7
My son was a 23 week premie twin whose brother died. He just graduated from college.
God didn't want them to have anymore but they were selfish. They could have adopted but they decided to have non viable babies. You should never be sorry for people that brought grief upon themselves.
I am so sorry for your loss. They are playing on the shores of Heaven.
+Christy Morgan Really???
Yup. I truly believe that and have no shadow of doubt. Just like my child I loss. And if you don't believe that. Then that is your right. Just like it is my right to have faith.
***** You're right.
+Christy Morgan Look where that faith took your child and so many others around the world... it is not faith that we need, god never lend a hand to anyone because it is an inventioooon!!!!! We need to help eachother and stop giving birth to babies and adopt! Until no baby in the world has to live with hunger, alone or mistreated...
+Lilí dos Toxos My loss was great. But if given the choice. I would want my child safe and loved. My father passed away as well. I know for a fact that they are together now. My baby wouldn't ever want to come back. It would be very selfish of me to want them back.
4 + 7 = is 11, or am I just losing it
Emily Miller they miscarried one
They miscarried one before the photo
Yeah same
Emily Miller they ended up only having 6
I know right
can't believe people are blaming this couple for not reducing...I can't even imagine looking at the surviving kids and thinking about the ones that couldn't live. And yes I know, at least they still have some but still. Besides, even if they had done that, they still could have lost them...you never know what could happen!
+nicolelylewis You're right!
+nicolelylewis the ones that are blaming them probably never had kids. It's impossible to do, I know I couldn't.
+nicolelylewis By the same logic, you could just as well mourn the loss of all the billions of sperms.
+nicolelylewis So its ok that they rather killed them all than make an effort to save atleast few of them? People like that shouldnt have any kids in the first place.
+SixSicSicks medicine isnt always correct. there are many cases of doctors talling about death and it never happens. in this case it could have been the same, she didnt want to believe these baboes were going to die, she was joping they were wrong..
It doesn't look like she has enough body fat for that many babies... most women with multiples are bigger. Not necessarily obese, but a higher body fat percentage. Even seven babies is too much for any woman regardless of body type, the odds were definitely not stacked in her favor given how thin she was. Just from a medical standpoint these babies really didn't have a great chance at survival even if they selectively reduced.
Michaela Leach I was thinking the same
There are so many other children in need of a home that are ready to be adopted. Sad on all fronts.
So true but it actually costs much more to adopt than to use fertility drugs and you still have no guarantee you will ever get a child from adoption. I can't tell you how many friends of mine are still waiting for some family to pick them, or who don't qualify at all for one reason or another.
Then foster. States pay you and after a certain amount of time, you can adopt. For free.
+Amy Chasing Rainbows the couple never mentioned any money issues. Seven babies passed away instead of adopting one beautiful child in need of a family.
I adopted and didn't consider failure. it takes stamina but it can be done.
Marissa Bernard they had a right to chose to try to get pregnant biologically. Being infertile doesn't mean you're the perfect candidate to adopt children. You shouldn't adopt as a consolation prize but because you genuinely want to bring a child into your family. It's a very sad loss of life. But adoption isn't the easy answer, even foster (which also has a high failure rate and also doesn't allow all families to do, restrictions vary by state).
This couple already had two healthy children. Some couples struggle for years to have one baby. Not selectively reducing the number of babies was foolish. They could have had some live babies but they ended up with none and now they are crying about it. I feel sorry for the babies that died.
It might be foolish but, who would want to kill a few of there babies, and feel like I chose these other ones out of you guys. Very tough decision and people have made the choice to save all and they come out healthy and live and some don't. It's just a game we don't know how to play. So I feel sorry for both the babies and the parents bc they lost there children
supa nova I don’t think anyone should judge their decision nor should they have been judged if they did decide to eliminate a fetus so two more could have a better possibility of living, its not fair or just. They decided to put their children’s lives in God’s hands and he doesn’t make mistakes, I feel terrible for them but they should definitely be thankful for the children they do have.
They made the right decision not to choose, they are people of faith who obviously don't believe in aborting or selectively choosing who would live. They chose not to Play GOD, That was their decision, not yours!
Not murdering is foolish? Very evil logic.
Darlene Achille they played God when they did fertility treatments to begin with so...
The doctor was right. 7 babies is not natural, we aren't meant to carry that many to term. It was dangerous and a little greedy to try to keep all of them.
xPumpkinxMelonx it’s not greedy when it’s their own children, it’s up to them. just imagine thinking that you chose to kill your other babies and kept the others. Unless you’ve carried children yourself you wouldn’t even begin to understand what the bond would be like for a mother and child, just think about 7 of them.
clorox bleach yeah it is greedy. They could’ve saved 2-3 of them instead of letting them all die.
As much as I feel bad and don’t think it’s right for them to have had to burry 7 children, your right. It was a medical/scientific fact that their wasn’t going to be a away for her to successfully birth all 7 children and leave the hospital with all 8. I mean I do believe that miracles happen and God can do wonders but at some point you have to consider facts.
clorox bleach having one child already, this is a no brainer. I would in fact selectively terminate some of the fetuses to be able to have a successful birth of one or two. I'd rather have one baby make it than have them all die on me. Our bodies word me to carry that many fetuses.
This is why this artificial crap is just wrong from the start.
It's hard to select who lives and who dies. But because they couldn't make the decision(idk if I could either), they lost all of them. Is it better to know you purposely killed a few and some lived? Or you gave them each the chance and they all died.... that's very tough to live with.
I would never kill my own children for others to survive if they die at least I know that I had hope and that I wasn't the one who killed my own kids
Ingrid Guevara It is not like they were children, they were just fetuses at that point, if the doctor terminated 3-4 of the weakest ones the rest could live. Lets create an extreme scenario and say there is a ship sinking and lifeboat holds 5, there are 5 kids and 5 elderly. Would you prefer nobody boarded the boat and they all died because you can not save all of them? (Please spare me the crap like children are smaller then adults or squeezing in one more, we both know what this analogy means)
Don’t get fertility treatments as it’s a known fact that getting the fertility treatments raises the risks of multiple births.. When you’re infertile And go through this most people are sane enough and desperate enough they’d do it. Because they’ve tried so hard for so long they want the best. And if the best is killing a few to save a few most people would do it. Try being infertile for 10+ years then you’ll understand. If you haven’t been infertile you’ll never get it. Stop being so apathetic Ingrid Guevara. You’re shaming women who’ve had to deal with infertility and thats not acceptable, especially coming from someone who is most likely fertile.
Fukai Kokoro She's under 30 and had two kids already....she doesn't know infertility either!!
Fertility treatments are fine, but they should be done sensibly! In Europe there are laws that prevent a woman from becoming pregnant of that many fetuses through fertility treatment.
For example, in my country when IVF is used only two embryos are allowed to be placed back in the womb at a time (the rest can be frozen for a second try). When IUI is used no more than two eggs can be released for the doctor to be allowed to add the sperm.
Remember these embryos can still split in the womb, so higher number multiples are still not impossible, just less likely.
It's very sad and I do sympathize, but they only implant so many embryos to try to ensure that a few will 'take'. Attempting to keep all six was a gamble that didn't pay off. Doctors helped to achieve that pregnancy, it's a shame they stopped taking their advice once it happened.
TJ Wells they did not implant they used fertility drugs but they are stil hipocrits because if they trustedin God why would you use fertility in the first place?
Sheri For that's ridiculous that's like saying if you believe in God you shouldn't use medicine or you should cross the street blindfolded. Science and help from doctors are not something that disprove God, even with doctors help many people can't get pregnant everything is in God's plan
Ingrid Guevara Are you saying it was God's plan for them to use doctor's help to get pregnant but not to use doctor's help to keep the babies? Or that it was God's plan for them to try so hard so they could experience the pain of losing them?
Katerina Wiles by doctors help to keep babies you mean killing some, I don't have to explain why killing your own children is wrong.
Ingrid Guevara Their choice to keep all fetuses, against medical advice, killed all their babies. The chance all of them would go full term where extremely low. Had they followed the doctors plan and removed some when they still where conscious-less cell clumps, there would most likely not have been any baby that had to suffer, though for a short time, and die and the family would have gotten siblings to the first two. No matter how you turn it, babies will die, so why not go for the option that kill the least and only undeveloped cell clumps that's not much more of a child then a sperm or an egg are?
That's what you get for not listening to the doctors. My aunt got artificially inseminated. 3 of them took and the doctors wanted to terminate one because my aunt is tiny. They refused. She gave birth at 24 weeks because her body couldn't handle it. They're alive today thankfully, but she could very well have lost them.
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Expression doctors don’t know everything. Why do some people treat them like God? She could’ve reduced and the rest still could’ve died. She took a chance either way.
The statistics overwhelmingly disagree with your argument. Had she reduced, her pregnancy risks would've decreased in line with the number she reduced to. This is fact. You are stating opinion.
saws2006 are you seriously going to respond to my every comment here? Kinda silly.
saws2006 and no. It isn’t opinion. It’s just common sense. Doctors can give medical advice but they aren’t always right. I’ve dealt with a lot of doctors over my life because of health issues. A good number don’t know what they’re doing.
no I'm not going to listen to my Dr when he says I should take the life of one of my children. having said that, I would never have ivf to begin with.
I'm trying to hold my tears.... when I was pregnant, a lady was pregnant with 4 babies in my baby group and we all were very excited for her but she lost them all at 22 weeks I think. it broke my heart and I always think of that lady and now I feel so broken for this family as well 💔
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This is really sad. But this is why they offered selective reduction. They should have went with what their doctors option. Blessed be. I hope they heal. everyday.
Shelby Smith I would have done that absolutely. But they're really religious and that's considered abortion... it would have been against their beliefs.
I hate abortion! Don't get me wrong. I'm completely against it also. But, it would have been better to do what was recommended than loose all their beautiful blessings. Its just so sad things go that way, yano? Just breaks my heart people have to go through this. I hope everyday I never go through something like this. I don't think id come out of it. Thank you for commenting! (And being nice) Nice to know we still have good people in this cruel world!
I'm not pro abortion but I'm definitely pro choice. It's a woman's right to choose. Which is exactly why I support her choice not to. In her position, I probably would have gone with the reduction because the likelyhood of carrying 6 to term was low. But I respect that her belief is that abortion is wrong, regardless of the reason. My beliefs are different but it doesn't mean I can't respect hers. And I agree, I'm sure it was an unbelievably hard situation for her to be in. There are no words. Which is why I don't want to add my judgement to an already heartbreaking situation you know?
I agree.
As parent you would rather give every child an equal chance to fight and live that to choose to 'terminate' one. Carrying your children inside of you is no different than physically carrying them in your arms. You love each one as an individual ad would die before you let anyone or anything hurt them. You wouldn't choose to 'terminate' the lives of 2 born children to save the lives of the other 5 born children; so why do the same to unborn children.
But that is simply my decision.
My thought go out to this family! It is beyond any understanding what they must be going through! RIP to those poor little girls!
*I have twins,emergency c-section delivered@ 28 wks&4days, very high risk pregnancy. I also have Multiple Sclerosis, epilepsy. Combined weight of both my premature daughters: 5lbs5ounces. My "oldest" twin had a very difficult start once she entered this world. Her skull was crushed, she was swollen, and not breathing on her own. Her doctor wasn't sure she was strong enough to fight through?... Against My doctor's orders, I got out of bed&went to the NICU where my precious miracles where fighting to stay alive. I went up to my daughters incubators&she wrapped her teeny tiny hand around my finger, then I whispered to her, "Stay strong Angel! Don't give up, I know you can win this fight, I love you. mommy loves you. The very next day their doctor informed nurses, my daughter was breathing 75% on her own. She was on her way to recovery! now they're 8yrs old, and in the third grade. Looking at them now you can not tell they were premature baby's. God is Good!*
*God Bless This Family*
Rachael Gibson amen, thank God. I’m glad she’s okay.
Rachael Gibson thank u Jesus preach sister!! My God my saviour forever
Rachael Gibson I’m so glad their ok. God was and is with you. Amen.
Rachael Gibson god does amazing things. bless you and your family. hope you and your daughters live a happy and healthy life. i wish the best for all of you!💜
God bless you!
God bless that family. So strong. I'm glad they have each other for support
The picture was wrong it should be 10 4+7=11
She miscarried one of the babies before the picture
ohhh
But also at some point they were told it was only 6 babies instead of the actual 7
one of the babies had already died so it was only 6.
scaring people
From someone who has PCOS and has struggled to get pregnant, has had 4 losses.. If they said about selective reduction to me I would do it to give the other a chance at life. My heart hurts for them.
I find the PCOS diagnosis a bit suspect tbh. PCOS isn't birth control but she didn't seem to have any problems getting pregnant the first two times.
+ladydontekno PCOS can develop over time, sometimes with age, a change in weight.. There's a lot of different things that can contribute.
Still it seems very odd that she had PCOS but she had two young children. I could see if it the kids were, say, elementary school age. But it seems like she was trying to have too many kids too quickly.
I agree. They had a chance to save a few, but left if in "God's" hands. We all know that doesn't fair well with life in the balance.
Those are human life already... Yeah ethical issues. But Its hard for a mother to give up some of them.
not to sound horrible but a human is not made to carry that many babies, we don't have litters. selective reduction isn't pleasant but perhaps if they chose that they would have had 2 or 3 survive.
You're exactly right. Hell, even terminating just one would've raised the chances of survival for the other babies. I feel terrible for this family but this could have been avoided.
year but to have 7 or more its pretty rare
Briana's Production yeah but it’s like a 2% chance that all of them could have survived like it’s out of luck really
You're very right. We have evolved to carry one at a time. Two or more is either tampering with nature or a freak natural occurrence.
Ppl just don't realize how big a risk and unnatural having more than 1 baby is. These types of numbers naturally abort. The human body can only handle so much. Unrealistic expectations if they thought they'd make it full term. I blame the media & octomoms
achanwahn more than 2*. Having twins is perfectly natural. Dangerous yes. But natural.
I am a 65 year old twin born to Mother then aged 46. Mother had last child at aged 51. My Son is older than my Sister, his Aunt. 🙂😉
there are many cases of sixtuplets serviving and i believe there is a case of natual sixtuplets so it is possible do you research next time
I feel terrible. I teared up. But the doctor did warn them. Just saying
I agree... Its like dangling a piece of candy in front of a child then taking it away...
that doesn't make it any easier. how do you decide to kill some of your babies so the others will live. that is an impossible decision and no good parent could make that decision. you obviously have never lost a child.
+J Mac when you decide to not selectively reduce... you give all your babies a death sentence
+J Mac better than losing all
+J Mac please don't make generalizations like that. Maybe it wasn't your intention, but "No good parent could make that decision" makes it sound like anyone who decides to selectively reduce is a bad parent. They are not. Sometimes that is what has to be done.
I've never been so disgusted by a RUclips comment section in my life! So, all of you have the magical, mystical power of seeing alternate timelines, right? You know for sure that if she had gone with the reduction, the rest of her babies would have lived, right? It's such a given because having 7 children is so normal that all outcomes are easily predicted and there is an exact formula to calculate the perfect outcome, right? You all sound so ignorant. She chose between two extremely difficult choices. She could have aborted two or three of her children (still with a very high chance of losing all of the babies), or she could let all of her children have a chance to make it into the world. Either way, there was a high chance of tragedy, and the fact that people are blaming these parents for the deaths of these girls is so sickening to me.
I completely agree with you. It's so so sad. :(
I know
👏🏼 Beautifully said girl
Raven w If you've never been so disgusted by RUclips comments in your life, you've most likely haven't watched many videos in your life.
Raven w Thank you for speaking out. It is a shame!
Why are people saying it's her fault ITS NOT
+SwordTV but, it is. They were told the consequences of carrying so many fetuses at once. They choose to take that risk, and then what the doctor explained to them that could happen, happened. So, who didn't listen? Her and the husband.
+oOMissPoodlePantsOo - Well neither did octomom who gave birth to 8 babies and neither did Kate Gosselin- who gave birth to all her 6. They all made that choice and their kids wouldn't be here if they chose to kill them. This couple had the same hope as the other couples who didn't loose their multiples had. They just weren't the lucky ones. How many singleton pregnancies end up in a loss in stillbirth, miss miscarriage, late term miscarriage, and born too early they can't survive just like these little ones? This happens all the time. Pregnancy is a gamble. Anything can go wrong at any moment. Nothing is a sure thing. Who's to say if they did choose to reduce that any of the others would have survived?
+Jessica641 I get what your saying but usally the kids from multiple pregnacys are there because of science and constant care, They prob. had to be in the hospital for atleast 2 months before they went home. They were all born premature and super small. Idk about you but back in the old days, you push and birth and as long as the baby wasent facing the wrong way or the cord wasent wrapped around their neck. No other medical attention was needed 90% of the time. I mean, imagine anyone spending 2 months or 6 months straight in the hospital. Who would want that?
She looks so unhealthy while pregnant and more unhealthy after the loss... poor couple, I hope theyre okay
"And even considered adoption". Oh God forbid it comes to that...last resort, right? That kind of attitude really irritates me. Adoption is a beautiful thing and there are millions of orphans in the world who need a family.
I agree with that Nicola. I was adopted at the age of 9. There are so many children that need parents why bring more children into an already crowded world.
Nicola DeFalco please... I am sure they didn't think of it that way. Again... families have to do what is right for them. Adoption is beautiful but not every family can handle that... there is nothing wrong with wanting to have biological children. I would personally love to adopt... but I doubt I will ever be able to swing the $20,000 it costs to adopt internationally which is what I would prefer
No one in the world think on adopt first than having your own child not even you so please give it a rest and just be mercy cause if you don't know what is it to loss a child then you don't have a part in this discussion. It irritates even more your empty bonehead.... ggeezz
+gri03 now say that again in English?
I agree with you...it's got to be another language this chick is speaking. GEEEEZZZZZ LMFAO
made me cry!!! Things happen for reasons only the most high knows.
Who's the high most?
+Craig Tucker the most high Yah and his son Yeshua. aka God and his son Jesus he loves us my friend
Amen
+Child of Yah When people put the reasons for something all in God's hands, they are admonishing their own culpability. The doctors told her a reduction would be the best thing to save at least some of the babies lives. The couple refused to take responsibility and avoided the reduction, so just as the doctors predicted, babies died. It had NOTHING to do with God.
Stokedhavok You can believe that. In my heart I know it to be that was The Lords plan.
Im so sorry for their loss but loosing 2-3 babies is better then all 7.
They lost all 7.
he meant if they aborted 2-3 babies.............
Phan Lover there's no guarantees the other ones wouldn't have died either, all kinds of things can go wrong during your pregnancy.
Phan Lover it’s not that easy, how can u pick some of ur kids to die! They obvs had hope that all of them would survive
Phan Lover They lost them all
He looks 20 but she looks 45???
Erin Duffy I know right 😂
White people, especially blondes age faster/ look older
How is their ages any of our business? Really?
The stress and pcos might be taking it's toll. She'd look so much younger if she had some weight on her, even her face is skinny.
Erin Duffy that’s rude and disrespectful she lost her children and then you say that
I watched another short documentary about this couple and it is just sad. The couple said they didn't want to "play god" by reducing the pregnancy. But they played god when they used medication that caused her to hyper-ovulate, it is all very hypocritical. Also, the mother obviously has an eating disorder and is malnourished, you can't expect to carry that many babies when you can't even nourish yourself. She was doing exercises when she should have been on bed rest with such high order multiples. So many instances of selfishness with this couple all in the name of "god". I only feel bad for the babies who died.
+Simiopath I hate to say it but I agree about the eating thing, I mean it's possible, what woman looks that thin after having any amount of babies? My late mom was thin because she had an unknown thyroid problem but I looked it up and the condition they said the mom in this story has a side affect of weight gain, their is most likely something wrong. Not to mention she's more then likely young and yet she looks way older, that tends to be a sign of poor nutrition. My mom still looked 40 when she died.
She needs help not judgement :// and they didn't 'play God' in the sense they didn't make the choice to terminate any of the little ones lives. Just because they utilised modern medicine to enhance their chances of producing life, doesn't mean they played God. I feel for the mum.
Actually not stating my opinion one way or the other but women with PCOS are naturally that thin. They genetically have issues with their weight and some women can't gain weight to save their lives no matter how much they eat.
Absolutely true, watch Ellie and jarred another you tube family she has pcos and hyperthyroidism and us very thin, not everyone has an eating disorder
+Simiopath who the hell are you to say she has an eating disorder? she just had half a dozen little vampires sucking the nutrients out of her, it's reasonable to expect her to be a lightweight at this point. and if this vid was only a week after her loss, she's probably anemic as hell.
septuplet pregnancies almost never occur with standard PCOS treatments, so they had no reason to expect this. if they could not, in good conscience, kill any of their babies without regretting it for the rest of their lives, then they made the right choice. knowing the outcome is not likely to be great doesn't mean she shouldn't have tried her best.
As someone who feels much empathy for this family and who, like them, believes in a higher power, I will respectfully comment that fertility treatment borders on "playing God" as much as selective reduction does. We medically engineer conception and label it a miracle, but call medically sustaining it a sin? What troubles me is not the [lack of] logic in itself, but the emotional suffering that it costs good people, like this couple, who subscribe to it. It is difficult to watch people suffering when they didn't have to, and that's what makes this story such a sad one.
Actually, fertility treatment and "selective reduction" (aka ending the lives of children who are alive) are NOT even close to the same thing. One creates lives, one ends them. Those two things are inherently different.
A very wise statement.
They implant as many "embryos" as possible, the couple decides how many they try to implant. The embryo has to thrive though. In this case, they lost 1 out of 7 very quickly. Even so 6 is not common and so rare the UK in 2009 (look it up!) recorded the first natural conceived and survived sextuplets. That's 6 babies. The less embryos in utero the more likely the embryos can survive to fetus and to viable births. Selective reduction gives a chance at life whereas refusing selectively reducing the amount of embryos increases the risk of fetal death. So in this case, their choice resulted in all 7 dying. Your argument is illogical.
rae I agree 100%, i was thinking this throughout the whole video. They already had two beautiful biological children. Why couldn’t they have adopted and spared the heartache and trauma?
they are all in heaven... dont you worry..
Heaven doesn't exist so...
+Cora Blah your Entitled to your own opinion please keep it to yourself
+Wendy :D
Why should she keep it to herself? monsterhigh1975 didn't keep hers to herself.
+CatB lmao thank you you are instantly getting subscribed
Cora Blah xD No need friend, no need.
This is one of the saddest stories I have ever heard. 😭
Did non off them survive that's so sad 😭😭
Fiza Khan your right
Fiza Khan ikr I was crying
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Honestly, if it would have saved some babies. she should have terminated. Instead of losing all of them, she would have had at least one. Doctors know what is best, so if they tell you that your best chance is something that goes against your "beliefs", and you go against that, I will not be sorry for you.
You are educated people who took a great personal and monetary loss, just because you thought you were "doing right by god". And now you have no babies. How is that right by God at all??
The doctor literally told you this would happen and you're still surprised??
+Gamergirl 2223 no, they were told to terminate some if the early embryos.
it's literally not even worth arguing bc people like you believe a fetus has more rights than an actual woman.
Yeah, don't waste your time trying. It would have been super hard to have to do, but she would have probably left the hospital with a couple babies instead of having a funeral for all of them. In the end, I'm sorry for them, but that was their choice. They gambled and lost big.
That's your opinion, you can't claim that like it's a fact.
+Gamergirl 2223 I think you are too young to understand what a fact is 😅
Yeah, again, she would have been able to keep a few rather than losing all of them. By your logic, she just committed murder. Good job.
It's a choice. You do not get to have a definitive say on what I do with my body. And up until 20 weeks (which is the point where a fetus could possibly survive OUTSIDE a body), it is not a "baby".
Abortion is necessary. Why do you think we have so much poverty? And what about woman who were raped? Do you think it's right they have to bear a pregnancy that they did not want, nor deserve?? Think about these things the next time you want to argue with adults.
Absolute tear jerker, loosing 1 child is awful but 6/7 is soul crushing, she dressed them...;(
I’m so sorry for your loss!! I lost my twin boy and girl at 21 weeks as well and know exactly what you went through. We also held our babies and they lived for 2 hours as well.
That is just sad not even one of them survived...
Took a risk by not getting a selective reduction done. Sad they didn't even think or discuss it further with their doctor at the time.
You don't know what went on in that room
Kate of Jon and Kate Plus 8 took that risk but in her case all the babies lived. She said "What heart do I stop beating?"
It's a hard choice because maybe all will live like in Kate's situation. Then again maybe all will die as in this situation.
Selective reduction is a nice way of saying abortion. Abortion is murder. She didn't want to murder her babies.
Zoe Girl so she watched them die. Wow, Good Choice.. .Not!
Very sorry for their loss. But, I hope that couples who have love in their hearts and enough stability in their finances to expand their families will open their hearts a little wider, and adopt children who greatly need their love and stability. IF NOT, love your neighbors, friends, and even strangers. There are SO MANY people who are already on this planet, who need their love and stability. Take care of the ones who need the love and support. Look around and see the need.
All you can think to say is “I’m sorry.” But as a mother myself, I know that’s not enough and that there truly are no words. My heart is heavy for you.
People who say she should of got rid of some of the babies floor me..look at your children and decide which one you will let go..Not going happen..Many people have had 6 babies and some more..I am sorry for their losses and hope them the best.
terminating a few UNBORN babies or getting rid of a already breathing child is no where near the same or close to the same thing. It was extremely early into the pregnancy, they wouldn't have felt pain or anything. She gambled her children's life and lost.
There's a huge difference between reducing the number of foetuses inside a woman and killing a child already born. Women are not meant to have litters of children like this. Fertility drugs should be banned. If you can't have a baby of your own, your God is telling you something. Go adopt.
I feel so sorry for them but she really should have considered the reduction more. That could have saved some of the babies. I know it's gotta be hard for other mothers who had to do that pick which ones to essentially kill but she should have really thought about her decision
I agree if she had done what the doctor said she would have saved some of her babys but I also understand her maternal instinct not to be able to make such a choice. That being said I think it's also kind of selfish to have that many children at once as they wouldn't all get the attention they need. It's a hard decision to make but I agree.
It's easy to say, to think about the reduction more. Until your in that shoes, its a hard choice to make, and a reduction could risk ALL of them. Its sad, but no one knows what the future would have been if she reduced or not.
+Jessica Pape So True
+Jessica Pape you're completely right. I just commented that because she said she didn't even need to think about it she just said no
No harm in what she said, some people already know what they would do, before they get pregnant. This is a conversation many couples have before getting pregnant (not multiples, but what if something happens). Some people know they are 100% against abortion (which is what this procedure is, selective abortion).
its so sad but just remember they can see u they are just above you
My heart goes out to this family. I wish them nothing but the best and hope they have more blessing.
I know everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but those of you who are bashing these poor people for not reducing their babies are heartless!! These people made the choice not to abort (yes, that's what they would have done) any of their babies and I don't blame them!!! I wouldn't have done it either!! And they ended up losing them all sadly 😢💔 have some respect and keep your negative comments to yourselves!
my thoughts and prayers go out to the family 🙏
I don't think we're heartless, I think we're saying she could have had a successful pregnancy and at least one healthy baby if they'd listened to the doctor.
+The Ng Thing Agreed!!! 💔💔
+ladydontekno So, your saying that she should have killed her other children to save maybe one? Because that's what she would have done. There is no garentee that any of them would have made it at all, even if she would have had the reduction. Like I said, I would have made the same decision she did.
+Amanda Nava if by "killing the other children" you mean having a selective abortion, then yes, she would have had a better chance at a successful pregnancy if she'd done that. No pregnancy is 100% guaranteed to be successful, but there are steps people can take to have a better chance of a successful pregnancy. And in this case, that would have been having the selective abortion.
I understand her I could never choose which ones to terminate stop being harsh on her this must have been a very painful decision.
I’m not blaming the Mom but someone needs to make her eat some more because I’m ninety percent sure being that skinny while carrying septuplets is dangerous and deadly not to forget she now looks like a skeleton, like I said. I’m not blaming the Mom but seriously I’m worried about her.
Bella Manor
Yes, she is super thin; the entire family eats strict vegan so not really sure if that is why because
Mom also is an extreme runner!!
Carrying septuplets is what's dangerous and deadly.
Bella Manor ya I'm her size and it'd be dangerous for me to carry even more than one
I feel like crying, you are so brave to share your story. And I’m sorry for your loss. Just remember they are in a better place called heaven!
How can a mother pick and choose which child she keeps alive and which one's she kills? They made their choice and they're living with that choice. They chose to not give up on their babies. To give each and every one a chance at life. Just happened to not end well for them in the end. Unless you have been in this situation then you don't know what you would or wouldn't do. I personally would have done things the way they did. I wouldn't be able to choose one of my kids lives over the other. They were conceived together and carried together. If it's meant for them to die together then so be it. Apparently wasn't meant to be in this case for them to be brought into this world. My heart goes out to them for their loss. Doesn't bother me at all if no one agrees with me or not. We're all in titled to our opinions. I don't judge anyone on how they feel. We're all different.
Crystal Rusmisel the doctor chooses (the smallest ones that probably wouldn't make it anyway). The mother doesnt have to decide it
Crystal Rusmisel She gave them all a very small chance of survival instead of terminating a few before they developed any further so then the rest could live.
Andy Wang
Thank you, finally someone who understands that they should have aborted some.
Crystal Rusmisel how can a mother chose for seven children to die instead of 3 or 4
You should research selective reduction in scientific articles. She doesn't pick and choose. A doctor determines which are most likely to survive based on placement, whether or not any share sacs/placenta, if genetic testing is done then that is used as well.
"The couple wanted more feet to add to a photo.." Well that's a weird reason to have more children!
obviously that was just a way to add to their family tradition. i'm sure they didn't want more babies JUST to take pictures of their feet..
I think it was figurative language
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avamyst70 it means they wanted a larger family.
avamyst70 no they said that because they were supposed to have 7 kids but one died so when they said that they wish they had more feet to add to the photo that means that they wish that 7th baby was still alive to take that picture
I am sorry for your loss stay strong your family are in my prayers
How can so many people make such cruel comments? Regardless on what you think she should have done, she is a grieving mother. At least respect that and have some compassion.
Why go through all of that when they already had 2 perfectly healthy girls? If you really wanted another child, then go an adopt one. Our bodies are not meant to carry that many babies at once. Just my opinion.
I'm sure they didn't ask for your opinion, nor was it warrented.
We're always free.
+Michelle Walker You just said that we're not free to our opinions a few hours ago...
+Anzuri you misunderstood the obvious implication. I will elaborate: We are always free to choose to respond and to criticize and argue as you are choosing, however, "with freedom comes great reosponsibilty." In other words, you can choose to be a mean person, but you can also choose to have integrity. You will also choose to learn nothing from my advice, and thus further communications are futile.
@Giselle G open comments or not...have a heart and stop being so damn judgy. I am 99.9% sure you didn't go through losing 6 babies. So until you walk in their shoes...keep your trap shut. Please and thank you.
Sorry for the loss, bless your hearts 💕
I mean it feels bad but at the same time if they would have listened to the doctors and aborted some of them, this wouldn't have ended that way.
Loriayle actually selective reduction always runs the risk of losing all of them. Or the surviving babies could be injured or disabled
PrincessLuLu But then again theyre the ones with the years of studying and degrees,, should still listen to them
Loriayle right what's worse ending up killing all your babies because your so "righteous" or giving at least some of them a chance to life. I wouldn't get an abortion but in this case I would because if I decided to carry all to term the risk would have been too great
There’s a difference between survival and intentionally killing. Can you imagine looking at the ultrasound and picking and choosing which baby you want to allow to live?
I'm so saddened by their tragedy. God bless you and your family 💓
My thoughts and prayers go out to this family. Nobody should ever have to bury their child.
My cat just had 7 babies (literally at 5am)
yay!!! how many nipples do cats have agian?
Sarah McLeeson not for cats.
Cats usually get around 5 to 8 kittens during one pregnancy.
i once met a cat who had a littler of like 16.... It was crazy
Mrs. Dun aww your cats must be the cutest
Mrs. Dun congrats on the kittens🐱➕🐱 equals 🐈🐈🐈🐈🐈🐈🐈 one more thing that amount of cats mean a lot of this 💲👗💵💶💷💸💱
this is the saddest thing ever, my mom has gone through this twice, and to know how hard it hit me, you cant imagine how hard it is for a mother.
Talk about Strength and Courage. They both are incredible!!!!! Wow is she amazing.
7 +4 isnt 10....
plus.. the doctors said that would happen..
Alice Wanders I’m thinking they may have done that after they lost one of the babies and there were only 6 left. I was thinking the same thing at first though.
They were originally told they were only 6 also .. and later found out there were 7
Alice Wanders Yes. They were told seven but she miscarried one early on. So, the photo was more than taken after. So. The four of them plus the six surviving babies at the time is ten.
Alice Wanders 1 was a miscarriage
If you were pregnant and the doctor told you to choose only a few of your babies to be alive? so basically kill maybe 3 or 4 of them? would you do that? I mean I wouldn't..
I would've reduced. I have many fertility problems due to other medical conditions , and it would be safer for me and my children to reduce. I'm going to be honest -- I'm not a "logical" person. I'm a professional writer -- I spend quite a bit of time in lala land, but I don't see the sense in this. They already had two kids, which for a lot of women with infertility would literally be a miracle. But I wouldn't call this anyone's "fault". It was really just a collection of extremely bad choices that led to an unimaginably tragic circumstance. There's no one to specifically blame, but it certainly could've been prevented.
+Addy Norman I would like to hear you expound a little more, they apparently had principles which prevented their reducing. One extremely bad choice was the doctor in charge of the gestation, who literally pulled the plug (cervical pessary) on it when she came in at 21 weeks in PTL.
+Michael Ray Overby It was never stated that she had a cervical pessary, and if she had waited too long to come in (they stated that they were in denial), then labor could've progressed too far to intervene. These people already had two children. Women like me would give anything for that. If they had just been happy with what they had -- then this wouldn't have occurred. If they had reduced -- then this wouldn't have occurred. If the fertility doctor had been more cautious -- then this wouldn't have occurred. I'm not gonna get too far into principles, but I think they made the wrong choice. If you have fertility problems, then chances are -- something is going to go wrong in your pregnancy. They're clearly very religious, and it can be hard for people with that kind of passion (for anything really) to be reasoned into doing something other than what they believe they should do. It's sometimes hard for me to understand how people can be so blindly religious, but when comes to certain things (such as writing), I can be just as fanatical. That's about as close as I can come to making sense of this situation. Ultimately, for me, logic trumps faith. If I were lucky enough to ever actually be able to maintain a pregnancy, I would do whatever was medically best -- but that's just me.
They have a WordPress blog, I'll update with the info on that. That's where everything came from regarding her mismanaged labor, including the pessary. The "fertility doctor' only prescribed 1 cycle of Clomid that resulted in the original Septuplets. Your writing is indeed beautifully rational. I'll get you the address to their wordpress site. Thank you for your answer Addy.
You mean *abort/murder. Disgusting.
MsPrettypinkpanther8 I'll probably never be able to have children anyway, so it doesn't matter.
Dear lady, may God grant you another child. I am so sorry for your loss.
The comment section should be closed. This is sickening to read some of the comments you people are leaving. My thoughts go out to the family. Fly high angel babies
I'm sad they lost their babies but I have to agree with some of the comments it's kinda their fault she should've had selective reduction done first of all she knows she had issues getting pregnant then she had pcos and she pushed her body weigh to much to hold 7 it's a shame she could've had 4 babies in her arms instead of 7 gone
She gambled her children's life and lost.
Yea she did.
Gambling would have been to selectively choose which children live. The procedure could have ended up killing all the children. Then people would have said she was selfish. No one will ever win this argument. Shame on you.
+BlueEyedSoul21 What are you talking about? It's a common practice to select children and works 99.9% of the time.
Please state your source.
WebMD"
"Risks- When there are three or more fetuses in the uterus, their risks of disability or death are higher with each additional fetus. A successful MFPR increases the chances of healthy survival for the remaining fetuses and reduces risks to you. But MFPR sometimes leads to miscarriage of the remaining fetuses, preterm labor, or infection."
The term used was SOMETIMES, not rarely, or just 0.09% chance.
I've been working in the healthcare field for 10 years now. I've seen some of the best ER doctors use WebMD to help diagnose patients. Is it perfect? No, but neither is a human. But does it serve a purpose? Absolutely!.
OMG... My heart just breaks for this couple. What a heart wrenching decision to have to make... All these judgemental people need to STOP!!! God please comfort this family in their time of grief...
I don't mean to sound insensitive but I'm sure I will, but evacuating even 2-3 of the babies would have given the rest a better chance. I think they were selfish and it cost them their babies.
I agree. I am so sad for their loss (which was monumental) and I really understand why a lot of people wouldn't want an abortion in a normal situation... but this isn't a normal situation. Their choice to not evacuate a few caused the deaths of the rest... I understand people are very tightly attached to their personal values but blatantly speaking they gambled with those babies lives, to save themselves from whatever guilt they'd have experienced if they'd listened to the doctor. Seems a bit selfish to me, but it's a really hard choice to make I suppose...
+Paige VanDenburg I agree 110%!!!!
I could never pick which of my babies gets to live and which get to die.
+jennifer finkral And that lack in decision caused all her babies to die. Wouldn't you rather 4-5 healthy or less delayed babies then 7 dead ones ?
By choosing none of them, they chose all of them. If my doctor told me that's what my inaction would probably do, I would let the doctor select the ones he thought were least viable to evacuate and leave it at that. Would it be a hard decision? Of course. It's playing with lives.
Probably also helps I'm pro-choice and have no issue with abortion before viability; I can see why someone who is pro-life would abhor this kind of decision.
So many comments here that lack heart, and tact... Some need to learn, "if you don't have anything kind to say then just don't say it." Your opinions about her body or feelings about her choice to try and birth all of her children are obscenely inhumane and hurtful. Please, try to consider this is a person; a woman, a mother, a daughter, a wife... and she had been so traumatized that she wants to connect with people to share her story and to feel healing through love and support...Not more suffering. May you evolve compassionately. May you understand Love supreme.
Remember, we are all related... Would you throw your words and judgements so loosely onto a friend or a sister?
Think before you speak.
Pause before your act.
I am very sorry for your overwhelming loss. Have Faith and may you Love everything... Even your pain..sacred and challenging teacher... May your daughters stay wrapped in the light of heaven- warm and safe... Until you meet again. Xo
I agree with you , People can be ABSOLUTELY Heartless. My heart goes out to the Parents. Even if she had taken the Doctor's advice and aborted one or two babies, there Still was "NO" GUARANTEE THAT THE OTHER BABIES WOULD HAVE SURVIVED. THERE IS ONE CONSULATION THOUGH, MUM & DAD WILL BE VERY BUSY IN HEAVEN.....WHEN THEIR TIME COMES, RAISING THEIR BEAUTIFUL BABIES. 💗💗💗💗💗💗💗
7 is a holy number!
jbhorselover5 but it was 6 in the end, right? One of them died... 666 is satanic
+Jasreen Lamba 6 is not satanic. learn your numerology. 6 is the number of man.
ALLIS0N4 calm down mate, I was joking! And by the way, I meant 666
I cant imagine loosing one baby never mind 7 all at once. Such brave people telling their story. I hope this family is able to heal and have a happy life. Rip little angels
This is so heart touching God bless them
Why do stupid people always saying "god bless them", when there's a tragedy just happened? Do you really think praying going to solve anything? No. 🖕
7 kids is ridiculous.
Who else cried 🙋🏼🙋🏼
minecraftALVC No one
minecraftALVC me
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Emoji's want to make me die
I'm Crying!! God Bless your hearts!
Omg this is so sad. My mom and dad were trying to get pregnant for years. They finally did with their first baby. It was a boy and his name is Alex. Alex did not make it. He came out dead unfortunately. But then they had my older sister and then they had me. But it was still really hard for them and the still get sad
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Okay so let me get this straight. They are upset they passed but they were heavily warned that the kids would not make it? Would you rather have twins than 7 dead babies? I understand the loss is heart breaking, but they could have made the best of it and came out with two very healthy twins or even triplets. Not to mention they named them before the mark of "having a chance". It's like counting your eggs before they hatch. Even women carrying on child are told a date to wait until.
I agree...
Have you ever lost a baby? Obviously not. Just because you're told they won't survive doesn't stop a mother from loving the babies inside her. And some people don't want abortions. If I was asked to reduce the amount of babies I would never be able to because I couldn't look at the babies that were alive and think of the ones that didn't make it. I can't believe people are making rude and negative comments. Can't we just be respectful to parents who lost their babies and let them grieve and show them love and support without a bunch of people blaming them and being mean?
+sushibu God gives life and God takes life. It is all Gods plan for HIS glory. The couple firmly believes in Jesus as their Savior and LORD of the life. This is faith. This is Gods grace in action here. For other believers they know that the couple made the right choice and I as a born again Christian would have done the same thing. Their babies live. God said I am not the God of the dead but of the living. Amen.
+karen dufft Your right, everyone should have died, including the mom. Then the 2 children she already have would have been let without a mom. Much Much better then choosing a safe number of children to have.
karen dufft I was being sarcastic not ignorant. There is some serious risk with this type of pregnacy and they could have ALL died. This is a fact that shouldnt be taken lightly. She put the posiblilty of having 7 kids ahead of the kids she already has. And you cannot deny i am speaking the truth.
Prayers for this family.
I'm so sorry for your loss, I'm sure the babies are heavens lil angels and watching over your family and praying for you to be happy even without them, but they are always with you in your heart
This poor family. All these people in the comments saying they should've just killed some of those little girls to begin with are sick. Those saying it's her fault (Because obviously it was her choice to become pregnant with seven babies) are disgusting. You wouldn't blame a non-Christian if this happened to them.
Actually I would. The dumbasses were offered a selective reduction and refused. Christian or not it's stupid and now all their kids are dead.
She chose to agree to have 7 embryos implanted, therefore she chose the risk of having 7 babied growing in her instead of going through the process more then once and potentially having all 7 with them...
She was not implanted with anything... No 7 embryos were planted she was on fertility drugs and got pregnant with 7 ......
Emily Leonard i don't understand.. what does christianity have to do with this?
Emily Leonard I'm a Christian but it would have been safer for her and the babies if she had taken at least 2 away.
Omg i feel so bad my mom just had twins and she deliverd safe but i feel so bad for this family for their loss
This is kinda their fault... Sure maybe downsizing the pregnancy wasnt what they wanted but in result they all died anyways. Its very common that even 2 babies dont make it full term!
Well it is a possibility that she could've lost all through the reduction
+Ashley Miller yes that's possible, but the difference is that it was very probable that they would all die if she didn't
I'm sure they'd prefer to lose their babies than know that they willingly decided to kill them.
This couple needs words of encouragement and prayer not criticism from people who don't know or care about them.
BREAKS MY HEART