Robben Ford Guitar Lesson - Diminished Scale Blues - TrueFire
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How cool is it that he laughs to himself at the notion that the double diminished scale works over a C7 chord? He's been one of the most respected guitar players in the world for 30 years but he's still fascinated by how music works.. its endearing actually.
Steve Veasey well put
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He probably leveled up his ear right there!
He's legendary
I can't believe the negative comments. I for one am always happy to hear anything he or any great player has got to say or teach. I also appreciate any insight into playing on dominent chords.
I've never heard anyone say anything negative about him or his playing, always praise! He deserves it too
u young guitarists should feel blessed. you can literally get lessons from the greatest guitarists to walk this earth. utube can be a great place.
I loved him in 'The Room'.
He is indeed a man of many talents. Actor/ director, great guitar player
Oh hi mark
Wish he decided to throw the football around halfway through.
In which room did you love him?
I cannot stand this yousician ad anymore!!!! Jesus!
This is a great lesson for those who
want to make blues more interesting . Roben Ford is a master! Respect him so much.
Yes except those stripe pants are so weird.
When you can play like that you get to wear anything you want.
You can always wear anything you want but if you're a man and you dare to wear anything other than the most straightforward and ordinary clothing you will be challenged.
Basically "This guy" happens to be Robben Ford. If you don't know him then you should check out his playing. Jazz to rock, you name it. He has so much respect from the professional musical community that he is a highly desired guest guitarist. If you're too busy picking apart his grammar then obviously he's teaching something over your head. Go learn how to play the guitar instead of watching how to play.
When Robben is strumming a chord it sounds like an orchestra
18 people gave this video a thumbs down. Which leads me to believe that there are at least 18 people that have no reason to ever pick up a musical instrument. Great video TrueFire!!!
+James Robinson it might be because there are other videos where people actually explain ideas. Instead of just saying some sparse musical theory ideas and then shredding the rest of the time.
+chuckhough Shredding? Um, no. If the education given is above your ability to understand, that's no reason to hate it. Simply move on to things you are ready for and one day you will come back and be glad this is here.
+jerky2112 not dissing the man or his knowledge. I just think in this particular video he doesnt do a great at explaining what he's talking about. And "shredding" isn't the right word. I should have said "playing". He could have explained a bit more. That's it. I'm not gonna get into an argument about my skill level on the guitar, let's say I'm terrible. Still doesnt change the fact that this isn't the best tutorial on this subject material. But certainly glad that some people will get use out of it. That's the beauty of youtube. Though looking back on my comment it was kind of "troll-y" and I apologize for that.
Ha Ha James Robertson...spot on
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say it's the pants. There is only one objectionable thing in this video, and it's the pants. So that's what I'm going with.
This basically applying the b9 concept you can play diminished arpeggio a semi tone up from any dominant 7 chord in this case on the C dominant 7 (the 5 chord of F) you can play C# diminished arpeggio and it will resolve nicely to the F (“the home”) Just remember that in a blues all three of the chords can be dominant 7 not just the 5.
good lord.......jesus what an awful way to think about music. you're thinking way too hard, bro.
@@neoclassic09 what's your beef with it?
Robben ... THANK YOU ... for all you've done for the guitar world
and forunately is still doing! :)
Robben is such an authentic bluesman, I sometimes forget all the theoretical knowledge he has! He uses that knowledge so well, you don't hear it!! That is the sign of a master!!
Robben is such a wizard! Love his blending of blues and jazz! Great lesson! 👍🎸
To simplify: playing the C# diminished scale (C# D# E F# G A Bb) over a C7 is essentially a simplified way of playing the altered tensions that lie on a C7. It's implying the b9, #9, #11/blue note, and regular 13. It can be useful for that reason in adding some tension to your dominant sound. He has a poor explanation for it but that's how it should be approached.
It can be effective if you're not over using all the tensions and if you kind of lean on a certain one rather than try to go crazy with it.
A nice little touch to your blues stuff to jazz it up a tad would be to play a diminished 7th on bar 6 (second bar of the IV). That's where I think it sounds best on a basic level.
There's many ways to add tension to your solos. Playing an Emin7b5 arpeggio over a C7 yields the regular 9 of C. G min7 arpeggio over C7 gives you the regular 9 and regular 11. Bb maj7 arpeggio over a C7 gives you the 9, 11, and 13. If you look at C and add the 7 chord tones to it (C E G Bb D F A) you can look at each chord tone and use it as an "assumed root" (a dick grove concept) and make a triad or 4 pt chord from it and imply the tensions. The further you go up in chord tones the less definition (meaning the characteristic/ sound of the actual chord) and the more color it will be. Obviously you can also alter notes within those 7 and come up with the altered tensions.
Cheers!
Yes. And another way to get at the altered tones of C7 is with F#7, the Tritone Substitution. So if you use F#7 (the tritone up from C) as a passing chord to the IV chord (F7), you get access to the altered tones (b9, #9, #11 of C7). Tritone substitutions sound great, and work well in a blues context.
Matt Burns Robben Ford doesn't have a 'poor explanation', he just made a video lesson for a certain quality of student. If people have difficulty understanding certain aspects of the lesson then perhaps they're just overestimating their own skill level. That's common and when the lessons aren't one on one in the same room the teacher cannot identify the pupils level so the video is made 'as is' for a certain level with Mr. Ford's own style of pedantry which appeals to some, not to others. If you have difficulty understanding the video then you obviously are not ready for the subject matter which is nothing to be ashamed of (we're all at a different point on our road to taming this beautiful instrument) or Mr. Ford's style doesn't appeal to you which is a matter of personal taste, something that we cannot help as we all learn in different ways.
I found this video helpful but I've been a devotee to Robben Ford's teaching since I first got 'The Blues and Beyond' in the 1980's. He's a great player and a gifted pedagogue who goes far further than he needs to in order to pass on his hard learned skill.
+Epi Phone - Both Matt and Robben know what they're talking about.. but I have to agree with Matt on this one. In this video Robben did have a poor explanation for the scale working over C7. But, the reason was probably to keep the video length down, not lack of knowledge.
Mike Post I never said that Matt Burns didn't know what he was talking about. I simply disagreed that Mr. Ford's explanation was poor, implying a lack of pedagogical ability. I had no trouble understanding his explanation but then I first heard him explain it over a quarter of a century ago so I guess it's subjective. I don't remember being dumbfounded when first confronted with it and while it's possible that his teaching ability has deteriorated Idk. Really though I can't even recall commenting, I must have been inebriated.
Thanks for spelling it out for those of us that need that kind of thing...
Robben Ford is a wonderful person and a wonderful guitarist. The end.
been struggling with the diminished scale for years, this finally made it click! amazing player and teacher
That bit around 1min in where he's saying the C to F is the I-IV (C being the root) in a blues, but is also a V-I (F being the root) is such a great way to explain it. So simple to grasp, especially since most players moving into jazz have a blues/rock background.
" I knew this stuff before I knew what it is called"
I didn't understand 3 words in 4.
One thing I DID understand was that the knowledge is the important thing, not how impressive the sound, shown by how happy this guy is to play clean when demonstration, rather than hiding behind compression, distortion, reverb or chorus.
Truly at ease with the reality of being a musician. Nice one. Very refreshing.
Mr Ford has a really unique way of blending theory and practical application, he has a natural way of somehow being the teacher yet using ideals and terminology that can easily be understood and relatable to the student and at the same time exhibiting the excitement of the discover as the student, hard to explain but he has the gift of bridging the gap between the abstract and the real music world, and in real time .
I just love the way he really digs what he teaches. Robben is just plain awesome
If you watch enough RUclips videos by many of the great guitarists of today...John Mayer, Josh Smith, etc.. you'll find they'll mention Robben in terms of superlatives ("the Great Robben Ford). If you're serious about guitar you've got to know Robben Ford.
my teacher taught me this years ago, and im still working on really mining it for all its worth. esp the four dom7b9 chords that can substituted for one another using this diminshed scale concept. u can also voice them as just dom7 chords (no b9), or just maj triads (no7th or b9 - which is what Robben does here @ 4:14) useful for both comping and playing lead (using arpeggios). learning that was mind blowing. and the dissonance that each substitution offers is rich. Robben doesnt spend too much time on it (prob due to lack of time), but its gold.
Hi! But what when Robben used maj triads at 4:26 after a Gb/C chord he play B/C? After a Gb/C minor third discending there is a Eb/C. What am I doing wrong?
Yep, once again I feel like I know nothing
First step to intelligence
Boy, do I feel you.
Great lesson Robben! Playing diminished scales over dominant chords is something we do a lot in jazz manouche. In fact a diminished 7 is just a semitone away from a dominant 7! (e.g. C# dim 7 is C#-E-G-Bb and C7 is C-E-G-Bb).
"I knew this stuff before I knew what to call it". LOL
Studying is quite boring compared to just jamming and playing.
Practicing hurts and the repetition is nerve racking.
If you are promised that it will pay off in the end it's not a very convincing argument.
But it does. It is like learning a new language but when it clicks you go AH, I get it now and boom, your playing enters a whole new planet and with this new knowledge you are off and running to uncharted waters you've never even thought you could explore.
Take it from a very reluctant ex student. It is worth the effort and you'll get laid a lot more often too, LMAO!
This scale reminds me of old classic cartoons. Love it :)
+Diego Brown Hahahaha it's totally true!
When he played the dim chord moving it up in minor 3rds thats wehat I heard too lol
matt p yeah! The old black-and white silent movies often had a pianist playing along. These pianist used dim chords a lot. Sit down and play C-D#-F-A-C etc, run your hands op the board playing this and you're in an old movie!
I've always thought that too. Back years ago I'd always be pickin' on my guitar while everyone was going about what they were doing and interacting with each other. If an argument broke out, I'd play that ascending diminished chord run and they'd all just laugh. It seemed as though I was providing them a soundtrack!
Looney Tunes "Three Little Pigs" is what I hear
2:37 - chili peppers - road trippin'
haha thanks for the vid!!
I'm liking this Mr. Ford doesn't waste time, he gets right to it. I've been working on " Ain't got nothin but the Blues" .Find some nice chord voicing there.
5:45 - The lick you want to learn
I love him ! But in every lessons I feel that he doesn’t really want you to learn. We’re the things get more complicated he speeds up the tempo, he does it with different fingers and change the way he gets from A to B differently every time. I really watch him doing it in many many occasions. It is my opinion !
You are a very good teacher. Thank you for the great lesson.
robben; thank you for your time, your talent, and your expertise. priceless!
he's the kind of guy who makes u want to pick up the guitar as you realise how much you dont know
I am glad he elaborated on the "V - I vs call it what you" want bit because theory can be confusing, however the slightest understanding of theory should encourage a thirst for more. It is easier to communicate with a stranger if you can share a common language. Thanks for the vid
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My favorite rock/blues/jazz-ish guitarist....... of all time. Amazing that he's sharing his craft so deeply & so well.
My musical hero since the early 90s, even though I cant play the guitar, I always find his video's fantastic.
100% - I've played guitar since that late '50s - never heard anyone so musically/technically/professionally talented. The consummate player
Excellent video!!! Now finally my piano player will leave me the hell alone about bloody diminished scales over Dom 7 chords and my musical IQ just went up too! Thanks
Great lesson - beautiful tele - very cool pants.
I've had the pleasure of two of his Master Classes in Ojai, both times sitting front row dead center. He's a really great teacher. He'll show you how he does all of his distinguishable phrasing, then it's up to you to apply it as you will.
This is for people who actually know something about music, people. There's a lot you'd have to understand before you'd get this, as I'm sure the people who responded favorably would agree.
I have that scale as the Inverted Diminished (half step whole step) and the Diminished (whole step half step) and a bunch of other crazy scales a teacher wrote out for me years ago that I have yet to apply Terrible! Thanks for the tutorial Definitely looking into this one If anyone wants any of those other scales just reply here
Yes please let me know. I like scale lists. In degrees please.
1234567. I'll send you some good one back!
Yea it is really cool it just goes to show some people have the gift while others just talk. The ones who don't get it always have to leave something negative.Thanks again to Robben and to all the positive players on this planet for sharing.
If you cant get something out of a Robben Ford lesson, you need to go sit at the little kids table.
I watch this video almost once a month and im understanding more and more every time :D
If you play blues and you find yourself in a rut, take time to absorb this. It’s a light bukb moment for me
Thanks Robben and TrueFire for sharing. Opens up some great new sounds beyond the straight pentatonic blues playing.
Alan silvestri predator...along with robben BOTH LEGENDS!
Love these videos in which prople at least try to let you in on the way they think and/or feel music.
I kind of get what some people are saying about this video. Robben's knowledge is so deeply ingrained and encyclopedic that he sometimes doesn't get that most people are not familiar with things like the Diminished scale. I've found that I have to go off on my own and research things that he seems to take for a granted as a knowledge base and come back and catch what he's saying about how to use it. I've noticed this problem with a lot of virtuoso players. So much of what they take for granted is not usually common knowledge to those who are learning. It's often better to have a another educator like Andy Aledort or the like show you their stye than have the artist do it themselves. BUT if you are willing to put in the extra work Robben Ford will open up all sort of new vistas for you.
+J. Burton-69 I think this is more of a putting this technique into a music situation. I mean how much more basic can you get a base of a three chord blues or 1-4-5? If you learn the scale he was showing you how to make use of the scale through the changes of that chord idea. Of course, that was just one example there are many other applications of the scale of course. This by no means isn't a beginner video, but it is really a good lesson for those a little more educated on the matter.
Yes, definitely. I'm a professional player of 30 years and sometimes it takes me a couple passes and time studying on my own to get what Robben is saying. He conveys a lot of info in a very short time and I think a lot of times he's just introducing the concept, the way it was done to him and he expects you to put in the additional work to 'get it' (and make it your own). I've a subscription to Truefire and I'm getting ready to tackle Robben's courses one by one. I've gone through a good bit Larry Carlton's so I think I'm warmed up, lol.
Thumbs up on Robben Ford and his insights but thumbs down for the production of this video. A lapel mic would have made this video listenable.
im only 2 years old but i love the blues :)
Its not about a diagram of chords and searching for one you want that fits. Its about building your own chords from the start off the route note. Its also not about trying to play other peoples music note for note like a record drone geek on steroids. Its about exploring the possibilities of music composition, to think for yourself of how to build a song in your own style.
Hey is a true master. Been listening to and enjoying him since his days with Tom Scott and the LA Express.
"When you're playing scales, you're spelling out chords."
This my friends is the simple yet powerful truth that we all need to fully grasp to improvise as melodically and interestingly as we (individually) can. This is the "secret" to Robben's playing, to Matt Schofield's playing, to John Mayer's blues playing, to Wayne Krantz's playing.
Or Charlie Parker.
I like the way he puts it, HE KNEW THIS STUFF, BEFORE HE KNEW WHAT TO CALL IT. The most greatest of guitarist play from inward feel and inspiration. They are not impressed with all the LINGO of what to call this or what to call that. They would rather watch videos where guitarist don't ever talk, just display the lick and lets get on with life. If it sounds good, it works, I don't need to know what to call it.
But curious musicians who wish to play with and write for other musicians like to know the lingo of music.
+moseseseseses The reason I like to know what it's called and why it works is so I can understand it and use it in different keys and in different relevant ways. Otherwise I'm just copping a lick that I don't understand.
That's just me though.
I know diminished scales, BUT for those who don't, they won't learn it here
I have no idea what Robben was talking about but it was still great!
This lesson is a game changer in some level, thank you very much for uploading! 6:05 C Blues rhythm
My father taught me the diminished scale as a child and relative beginner but it was mostly always played as a warm up. Never tried using it this way. Still learning.
Robben Ford: The man who makes Jazz and Blues look effortless, yet can't seem to figure out how shirt buttons work.
To me, this is like listening to an Albanian explaining chinese algebra.
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I wished I knew what he was talking about, but it sure sounds good when he’s doing it 🤔
I'm bored and wrote down some notes on this if you want me to post them below. It'll be a long comment lol but it might help understand it.
What's going on around 4:20, sounds great. Moving the C triad down in minor 3rds?
+Alfred Yanone He's moving the C triad up and down minor 3rds to emulate the sound of a C diminished scale.
How does he do that? How you move a group of notes in minor thirds?
I think he's playing a C major triad, then an Eb major triad, then a Gb major triad, then an A major triad. Those triads are all the distance of a minor third apart, creating a diminished sound.
+Crimson Camel thanks dude
Am I wrong or does ford look like shmegol in certain angles? Now back to not understanding this.
@@Charlee_Murphee From the Lord of the Rings I think....
I think this works great for the 4th bar of a standard 12 bar blues progression.. Thanks to Robben Ford for a generous tip!.
Mucha gente no gusta del blues por considerarlo aburrido. Pero contiene montones de ideas para generar música en varios estilos. Robben Ford agrega elementos del jazz para enriquecerlo. Esa es la lección importante, junto a la dinámica y la limpieza de cada nota tocada que demuestra, algo que hoy se ha perdido casi totalmente.
man, i would love to see Robben and EJ jam unplugged! Wonder who has their theory down better?
Robben looks so chilled out here - like he just finished a couple glasses of red wine.
He's just like that. I attended one of his all-day Ojai clinics and he's just this guy all the time.
Awesome demonstration
i gotta admite i like a bit of jazz in my blues but i hate the sound of diminished stuff myself, but thats me
HEY a big shout out to you drellim 10 It's to bad some people can't realize how fortunate we serious guitar players truly appreciate a player like Robben who take the time to teach,I've been playing for 47 years and I'm ever so grateful to players like Robben who take the time to teach technique and the oh so important style,he offers so much valuable information to the serous players.THANK YOU AGAIN ROBBEN .
Gotta love Robben ford!
RB : My Guitar Blues Master foever..
Robben is great. I always learn a ton from him.
I want stripe pants like dat!! And a yellow Tele too! :)
great lesson in rhythm also if you pay attention to the way he strums those chords!
I used diminished and diminished 7th chords as soon as I got my sisters baritone uke. It sounded natural and pleasant to me. I wrote instrumental music based on it before I learned an actual cover song.
I was told by the cool guys that you gotta play your own original music so I learned to play what guitars do by playing guitar. I could already read music for other instruments that I couldn't jam\compose with. Guitar was my jam as me machine.
Bragging? (Yawn)
Best lesson I found on this scale !! Thanks a lot !! What a delight
Robben Ford and Yngvie using the same basic harmonic material. hmmm who knew. music is amazingly complex and very simple at the same time. It's like quantum mechanics or something. the particle is there and not there at the same time. just sayin.
Man!!! I need to take a Music Theory Lesson!! Most of this is somewhat confusing for me! That's what i get for being a chug-a-chug metal player! LoL!!!
As a long-time guitar instructor, my best advice would be to study all you can about intervals because intervals reveal everything you need to know about music: why scales sound the way they do; why a harmony emotes the way it does and so forth. Google the topic like crazy. :)
Most modern YT'ers teaching guitar are using his stuff repackaged. This video is 8 yrs old as I write this message. It is some advanced s**t for most players, let's be honest. Yet a stripped down version of this tip is game changing to the sound of any blues progression. Genius. Break outta the boring "penta" box and be a real player.
This person just makes one, feel the need to grab up your guitar..
Much like a child, has the need to grab up a big box of crayons and colorfully start to lay down some crazy creations..
And I really need to get some other things in order, .. I'll just set a kitchen for 1hour..
His rhythm playing is mega tasty, great pocket
Amazing musician!
Really love his approach
That was excellent. Thank you very much for posting, I learned something from it.
Nice guy. Great playing. Funny pants.
Quite a confusing way of describing it, the scale is the triad? this simply is not so. You can "Imply melodically" a chord by having some notes fall on the strong beats with the majority of your chord notes but your not necessarily playing a chord arpeggio.
Great player of course and I liked the part where he said doesn't matter what you call it as it has to sound right to your ear.
Saying moving diminished chords is old-timey or corny? I’d like to hear anyone say to Wes Montgomery that one of the devices he loved to use was corny.
Robbins appears to have a good size fourth finger...I do not and often ask of my lil finger more than its capable of
Why is a diminished chord 'corny' ? It's just a sound! Am I not supposed to use it because it's not 'hip' enough?
The camera guy doesn't play guitar.. he doesn't show the right angle all the time to see what's being played. hate that.
the hand held floating drifting camera is annoying. whose bright idea was that? btw...rf fan here 40 years
Too fast for me…I grasped around 50%… I’d definitely need a tab or a printed lesson…
The scale is not in minor thirds but the diminished ARPEGGIO is.
Is the diminished scale part of a mode like Melodic Minor or is this its own thing all over the neck?
WTF , 7 dislikes , I don't get what part of a Robben Ford lesson you
wouldn't appreciate .
6:05
It's called Rimsky-Korsakov scale as well.