What was this massive chamber for ?
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- Опубликовано: 23 ноя 2024
- In this video we are in Manchester looking at the Moss brook. We follow the moss brook into an underground culvert in this urbex video. The culvert leads to a massive chamber with a flood control penstock. The penstock is a kind of flood gate that can control the flow of the moss brook in times of flooding. The moss brook can be diverted into a diversion tunnel that leads down to the river Irk. The area is Collyhurst in Manchester. Downstream of the moss brook was a lot of Victorian industry bleach works and engineering works. This Victorian industry needed protection from floods so in the Edwardian era around 1907 this flood control was built. We see the Moss brook in full flood and we understand why the whole victorian flood defence was built. We also go to look at the penstock control mechanism via a manhole shaft. We also look at a seewer overflow pipe, part of Manchester's sewer system. This is an underground urbex video exploring Victorian underground sewer and flood culverts.
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Thanks to Dean for the ‘Being Boiled’ cover. Too good Dean 😉
I to listen to it again, been some time since
hi Martin at 28:27 that's empty . . 28:39 that's full ,see the man standing on the wall , his hand in the air ,is right on top of the submerged inflow pipe , you can see the top . so when you stood at the inflow pipe the water level was 6 feet above your head as in photo the water level is at the top of the pipe .also the curved wall he was standing on is still there .
Listen to the sound of Buddha. .inspired Martin. Great video.
Ref Video Title. I'm thinking a Hydro Turbine installation.
PS: Massive Chamber = MC = 33.
Wasn't "Get Carter" on the 7inch EP?
For Martin to explore, that’s what.
😁
Hi Martin from Canada....sewer guy here for the last 20 years...those "steps" are called flights...used to dissipate the force of the flows to reduce scouring of the infrastructure. Because there is a fair amount of grit in both sanitary and storm water..
Neat, thanks for the explanation
They’re called flights cuz I drink that water up yumm yum
Great video, very rare to find videos like this. Thank you for your work!
Hey how are you. Love your videos 👍
It is simply astounding the engineering and brickwork of that era. I am continuously impressed. Naturally your James was missed and his famous brews. Cheers
Thing is Martin (bearing in mind I work in flood investigation so this is my bread and butter) you showed that the overflow was constructed in the 1900s and the industry downstream at the outfall was built possibly 1840-1890, meaning the weir wall and sluice arrangements pictured at 28:50 were there before the overflow was added. You need to look at what's *upstream* of the overflow, to find the area that's truly protected by it.
My theory as to what was happening is that when the weir wall was built, causing the stream to back up to almost the crown of the original culvert pipe, that would cause a loss of head back through the network meaning that in the spate conditions you showed towards the end, there would be nowhere for the water to go and it would flood the property/land upstream. The penstock may well have been meant more as an isolation measure to allow work to be done on the reservoirs downstream, rather than flow control, especially as you would essentially need someone sat down that hole 24/7 waiting to wind down the windlasses when a storm came. Possibly a job for a Gollum-like creature.
So TLDR - I think the overflow and penstock were added later than the industry, not just to protect the industry but to mitigate its flooding effect on the upstream portion of the brook.
Please let me know if you know something I don't - this stuff is fascinating to me and I'm very lucky to have a job in it.
Those 1895 photos are amazing and even then you can see how things were in constant flux of change. Great video as always.
Especially the second one which was taken in 1805, twenty-one years before photography was invented.. Lol. (I'm sure it was just a typo.) ;)
Those Edwardian and Victorian brickie's were certainly skilful guy's, great to see how it all works, those penstock valves are formidable looking things.
Thank you, Martin & pals. For climbing into culverts, rivers & stinky sewer holes. All those spiders! Gaaaah! And the LAUNDRY OMG! I love every minute of your adventures. Cheers from New York!
At least the spiders are relatively small in England! In Australia they would span your face easily 😱
An older map gives context. Looking at the contour lines, Collyhurst was a ravine eroded by the Moss Brook. There was even a reservoir. Looks like the whole area has been filled in to create the flat area we see today. The photo at 28.08 probably shows the old bridge within the structure of the new viaduct (dated 1905 not 1805) hence the caption of ‘stringcourse’. The arch on the right is over the Moss Brook which is about to be culverted. The wall is to probably act as a mill pond for the Bridge Mill. The square hole in the wall your photos could even be for the water wheel axle.
he said 1895 and it is dated 1895 on the photo.
@@blaze1148 ah. Mistook 9 for a 0
Your videos are totally facinating! The engineering that goes into building these brickwork marvles is unbelievable!! I am claustrophobic and to go where you guys go would be impossible for me, yet, I totally enjoy (from my office!) what you and your guys do. Thank you guys!!
Yes, especially that egg shaped sewer tunnel they crawled through! I get claustrophobic in an MRI machine let alone that sarcophagus!
Imagine back when and even now, the dangers the workers took building these systems and how well they're paid?!
Even though this is a 'Jamesless' video, it's still a crackin' one Martin because it's in Manchester! All four of you have nerves of steel to go in chambers like those you show. Your newcomer and our hero from Sheffield showed no signs of being nervous I would say. Roy, well, he's just totally brilliant, the way he knows about these tunnels and drains plus his photos and videos. And finally Martin, you deserve a load of merit in organising this program - it's your channel - it's mega! Many thanks for this upload, and keep up the Manchester discoveries!
fantastic look at the engineering effort that went into these projects all those years ago.
Used to see the moston brook at the back of moston brook high school , scared me to death as I looked into the tunnel mouth.the open part of the brook was covered and filled about 1973-5 when I was at Moston Brook High School for Boys.the change from brick to concrete is what interests me the most…
Surge chamber, when the penstock is lowered the water upstream of it doesn't stop suddenly. It has to go somewhere until it finds a level and backs up in the tunnel.
It doesn’t really back up, it diverts to a different route
yeah, thats what we explained 😄👍
@thedrainmaestro I believe what the comment above is trying to say is that without additional space at the diversion the momentum of the moving water would create a dangerous effect called water hammer. If there was no chamber and the culvert outfall directly joined the brook, if the penstock had to be lowered the water pressure would rise rapidly and potentially damage the structure. If you think of the brook culvert like the barrel of a gun and the continuously moving mass of the water inside, then imagine the water suddenly stopping... bear in mind water is incompressible... the disaster writes itself.
Oh, and if you want some serious nightmare fuel, look up hydroelectric power station surge shafts.
"Back underground again" Great start for a Martin Zero Video...... I tip my hat to all the unknown & forgotten workers that built all the infrastructure we all take for granted today. Those old B&W photos were Amazing. I bet that you all celebrated the end of the day with a long hot shower, use of the washer and dryer and a bit of body spray.....
That brick work is so perfect. I missed James and Timmy the wonder dog. Thank you Martin and team.😊😊😊
Fascinating video Martin and Co., well done Roy for filming the Brook in full flow.
Brilliant brickies
Hi Martin, I remember bits of this from your earlier videos and yet there is more to show us 👏👏
That was one hell of a ladder to scale to get to the opening mechanism, looks like that went on to the surface as well.
Looks like the diversion was put in to protect the mills at times of high flow.
Well done to all of you. Have a great week!!
Impressive work they did building all this , testament of their skill
one of your best Martin - thanks - and a tribute to the engineers, architects, brickies and all the people who built these amazing Mancunian structures. Would be invisible to us without films like yours.
Watching a bunch of blokes crawling up pipes is bearable but when you add the historic content I can't stop watching. It is totally fascinating for me how you mix the now and then and makes me realise how mortal we all are and that we should embrace our time while we can. Thank you for making and posting. Martin zero should be No 1
We loved going with you all for this one guys. Amazing. Thanks
I used to play down there as a kid. Forgive me because I’ve only just pressed play but is it near Broadway (Dual carriageway)? There was a story of a boy who went in a tunnel and never came out we called it Damien’s tunnel. They were the days. May of been Moston Brook actually.Thanks Martin
Unreal. The brickwork is so amazing. Hats off to the people that built this.
Brilliant. One of my favourite videos of yours, Martin. The insane amount of engineering, brickwork and attention to detail that went into the construction of this network of tunnels and that penstock... Wow.
Just as a side note, I work in municipal water main leak detection and one of the things we hear a lot is that 'leaks surface' - i.e. they always appear above where the leak is. No they don't. They seep underground and run into structures like this!
The works is probably my favourite drain, I'd love to see Hulme Flume one day if it's still possible
Another great video Martin and gang, It’s been a while since I’ve worked in and around culverts and sewers etc and what blood, sweat and tears that must have gone into these engineering marvels. Sorry to add the boring bit (and I’m sure Roy checked them ) but always be wary of the metal access steps built into the brickwork, some can be badly corroded and weak (a bit lit the rickety bridge in front of the penstock gate), the modern equivalent steps are plastic coated. Looking forward to the next video already! (Bill Horrocks, ex BMF).
Fantastic video Martin. Great job
Interesting video as always lads.And it amazes me the engineering back in da 1800’s superb👌
Martin,,, So Soo!! Fascinating as always. I love your educational knowledge on these old infrastructures. I’m so interested and fascinated by the olden era of engineering. Incredible, great content as always! Thank you
Excellent work again Martin , brilliant workmanship by people who knew how to control the water and built things to last
Loving all your vids . Making my way through watching them all. Keep up the good work.
Been a tough weekend. A Martin Zero update was just what I needed!
Thanks Martin, Roy and I thank you all. I've always loved history. This is how history should be taught in schools, so we never forget where we came from. We forget our history at our peril Martin and I thank you all once again for bringing it to life.
This was very very interesting. What a complex underground construction, and so great with the supplementing old fotos and flood fotage. Thanks for sharing guys.
Listen to that water flow. Rather you than me Martin & co! But fantastic to tag along via video! Don't blame you for your nerves Aaron...... scary stuff! Fantastic too, but as much for making you wonder what's in people's minds when you see what's been left on other people's previous visits! 😳But regardless you have to just wonder at the engineering skills and construction skills of the past! What amazing secrets there are hidden under the roads and pavements we travel along! Well that was tense and exciting. Thanks all of you!
Fabulous Martin, so glad you do this and I just watch! Quite terrifying to see the Moss Brook in flood, great video Roy.
Those black and white bite pics were fantastic, thanks Martin
Thanks team Martin for a great episode, over and out.
Without you guys Mr Average like me has no idea what is down there. Fascinating. You all get the big balls award from me. Many thanks Martin.
Cheers Dave 👍
Aaaah the Irk Valley.... home :D
I especially love how fascinating the remains are down Sand Hills. Every time I am walking there I think of your footage and explores.
Great stuff Martin. I just watched the older video last week and here you are again. It's like 3 years didn't happen.
Another great video of your exploration. Thanks for this, always make my Sundays! I love the music in the background too, takes me back to my youth.😊
Is Roy Ojay from back in the day?
What flashlights do you guys use?
It’s absolutely crazy to see what people have had to create so that we remain safe and can sleep well, thanks for another great video 😊
Fantastic historical research, you derserve a PhD for this stuff
What a lovely video, I take my hat off to you for exploring and showing us all the wonderful history of the area. Keep safe.
Outstanding that Roy thought to take those videos of the flood stage!
This was brilliant, Martin, thank you. I certainly appreciate you doing these things, as I no longer can.
Thanks for this beautiful documentary. I really enjoyed seeing the whole infrastructure and remains of the historic buildings. Absolutely stunning! 😍 Regards from the Netherlands.
Thank you, glad you enjoyed 👍
Lovely video , never cease's to amaze me these underground structures and the design and workmanship of them silent hidden monument's to those who built them.
Clay kickers?
Back into Morlock territory - love it! Fascinating stuff as ever, Martin, and Roy's footage of the brook in full spate really drives the message home.
And everyone of those bricks were laid by hand . . . amazing, even a sewer was done with style.
That brickwork is insane. Another great video Martin!
Good adventure, taught a thing or two about Victorian/Edwardian engineering. Glad to see Marcus again.
Great video as usual Martin. You have one of the best history channels on RUclips. 👍🇬🇧
Thanks martin great video. And thanks roy for the amazing floodwater footage at the end of the video
What a fascinating video. The engineering that went into those drains and chambers is just phenomenal. Thanks guys! 🙏
Didn’t expect to hear The Human League’s ‘Being Boiled’ as part of the soundtrack! Amazing video as always, thank you. The engineering is mind blowing.
Great stuff as usual. I love your stuff. It explains so many things that puzzled me when I was growing up in Manchester.
I have to agree with everyone's comments. Another plus is, you have created an inspection video, for the engineers that maintain the area. Good job.
Thank you Martin for exploring the tunnel
That was a fun episode.
Hello, and thank you glad you enjoyed
What an incredible piece of water management. Thanks Martin, God bless
Really enjoyed that. Love it when you look around these places. Thanks for taking me along. Please take care
YES ! Finally watched and another contender for favourite video .
The thought and skill that’s gone into that area is mind boggling .
On the drawing they are blue pipes but in real life that are beautifully build brick pipes . Doing a very important job but very beautiful at the same time .
Thanks for taking us down there Martin 🙏🏽🤜🏽🤛🏽🧱👍🏽🤩
We threw the drawing up quick as a visual aid. Do you want to visit it ?
@@MartinZero. I would love to !
As soon as I’ve had my hip replacement and I can walk properly 😁🧱👍🏽
Fantastic vlog as always. Uncovering what's under neath the ground we stand on and understand the water sewers
Absolute classic vid. What id give for a time machine and go back to that site. Ps love the music from Assault on precinct 13 (1976) thanks martin.
Another fantastic video and I just love the engineering in these hidden worlds. Thanks for sharing
Love the background music Martin. Could say you 4 are the Human League.
If it got hot down there they'd be 'Being Boiled'.
Wow ! Another corker. Thanks so much Martin and guys ....... sooooo interesting. Some of that brickwork is just beautiful. I couldn't help being a bit scared for you though! Even more so when I saw that old footage of Roy's ......
You need to use the lidar on the iPhone and make a 3D map of these places.
Wait, iPhones have LiDAR?
Awesome, your very brave entering those culverts, the clips from Roy demonstrated the power of floodwater very entertaining video, thanks for posting.
Thanks Martin. Great video cobber. Cheers.
My pleasure
Brickwork and engineering like this is beyond today's engineers that's why its lasted so long. Great video really enjoyed it.
I'm sitting at home, feeling very grateful that you're crawling through that tunnel.
🧠💪🙋♂️🤝 fabulous video as always so very informative great team and camera 🎥 work 🧠💪🙋♂️Nath cheers 🥂
Hi Martin great to. watch very informative your one on the Williamson tunnels had the honor to go down them many years ago before they were opened to the public keep up the good work bobby the bootle buck😊😊
This is urbex gold! Well done chaps 👍
Probably a sump or a communion. When there is a heavy sudden storm, there is a delay in the water reaching a peak inside the network. To delay the network getting overwhelmed (resulting in flooding,) this sump was built. Here, the modern big commercial developments with lots of roofs and lots of blacktop and concrete covered earth have large open air impoundments that serve the same purpose. In big old cities there is little to no space for the above ground impoundments. By the way the sumps and impoundments offer primary treatment, mainly in that they tend to make heavier debris settle out. There are also measures taken (weirs mainly) to ensure there is passive aeration being done as even stormwater benefits from it on the outfall end of the network. The engineering specs are higher than say in 1970 or 1900. During our course we found out 97 percent of the streams in our town were enclosed in subterranean storm sewage networks over probably the past century. Development really had its origins here starting around 1918.
Cheers for that. Beautiful engineering xx
Love the underground ones the most. Though that little sewer and those two pipes looked a bit too claustrophobic for me! 🙂 Incredible, too, to look at the old maps and imagine the lives of the hundreds of folks living in those crowded streets, now lost to time.
Martin; "This time we're crawling through sewers".
James; "Nah. I'm working. Honest".
Martin; "What about the brew?".
James; "Arron can brew up".
Martin; "But he's not been trained".
James; "Training apprentices is extra".
The brick working is amazing 👍
When i lived just off Eggington Street in the 1960s that deep gully was well hidden and totally unknown to us. The mills and other structures surrounding it must have made it pretty impenetrable. I do remember there was a fairly high wall by the Bridge Mill and that piece of the Rochdale Road is on photos on the Manchester Archives website where the buildings can be seen from around 1910 i think. My street was on that old map you showed near the top. It is now all trees , there were hardly any trees until you got nearer Queen's Park.
I dont think I'll ever get over how much that area has changed Anne
Hi Martin i love all the videos you and the gang make especially the Collyhurst ones, without that flood control it would be chaos where Moss Brook joins the river Irk and in past years it has lead to collyhurst road being flooded by an over flowing Irky(what we call the river Irk). i aprepreciate all the effort you put into your videos, keep up the amazing job you do and Thanks once again
Martin you videos are always an educational cinematic adventure
It's amazing that those bricks have been in the same spot and holding together for 300 years!!! Absolutely amazing video as always!!!.
150.
Thanks Martin, this is another fascinating video.
This was a great video. I've been a fan so long of this channel I remember the works shot in 2019 you showed! Thank you!
Another fantastic mix of footage, photographs, maps and dialogue to really give a sense of everything. I can't help think how bland, boring and over complicated the modern equivalent would be, probably chock full of modern infrastructure needing regular checks and redundancy measures overseen by teams of dozens when the discovery it's failed actually happens.
If too much water arrives, the round cap is lowered and the water accumulates and is diverted via the stair-shaped systems. This should prevent the remaining channels from filling up. It's kind of a flood control system. Remarkable that they had already thought about it in 1907.
Thanks. Wonderful video.
Fantastic stuff Martin as always, many thanks. Do I detect a hint of 'Being Boiled' in the soundtrack?
Given the varying height of the ground above the sewer etc maybe the need for large drops would be installed to keep the water flowing. Perhaps looking for the height above sea level of each inlet and outlet would provide more evidence.
First shots look like the inside of an alien
Great explore guys
God bless 🙏
Fascinating video and history. I know the local railway works in Norfolk had a tarpaulin works but I think merely made up tarpaulin sheet for the railway. What I wonder is that at Mossbrook you might have had the means of weaving tarpaulin. Now this would be a different matter entirely and might require water for retting flax or cotton? For the weaving process. Perhaps a viewer with such knowledge could explain. If that were so then the round structure could well be a large pond from which water could be extracted for retting and steam power and penstock 37 would be there to control the flow because a high aeration of the water might well cause problems in the uptake of water. This is only a personal theory and a water engineer might have a different argument but I have had vague contact with this sort of thing many years ago as a production engineer.
Love the tour and history presentation!