Calm to Cantankerous. Manchester's lesser know waterway.
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- This video is about the Wince Brook. One of Manchester's lesser know waterways. It is a tributary of the River Irk. The Wince brook from its source in Chadderton Oldham Lancashire only appears from a culvert after running a considerable length. Its source is situated in a former mill lodge reservoir. It runs past an old industrial colliery site. The Stockfield colliery. One of a number of collierys or coal mines in Chadderton Oldham. It runs past foxdenton Park and becomes very cantankerous as a large discharge from a sewage farm joins it. The rest of the Wince brook passes old Cotton mills runs underneath a former railway yard. Then it finally ends in the town of Middleton. This video is very much about the History of Manchester and the story of the Industrial revolution. We have to use our imagination to envisage what the Wince brook looked like pre industrial revolution.
Music: Savfk, Strange the dreamer
Your videos are always interesting and impressive. I am struck by just how much research you do to present these wonderful videos! As always you and your great crew remember to stay safe! All my best from Utah!
@michaeloneill7813Not crappie enough, They lost the plot years ago
It’s amazing how much I know about Manchester England sitting in my home in Pennsylvania USA. When I come over for a visit I’ll be able to tell the locals about the history in their back yard.
I have similar about the Lehigh river and Dunmow number 7 in Pennsylvania from the South East of England
Bloody hell I’ve never known 46 mins to go too fast. This was amazing Martin, James, and Roy.
I was glued.
“Red brick giants”
I love that term.
They’re disappearing slowly but surely and it’s such a shame.
They took one down in Bamber bridge near me about 8 years ago for new plastic housing.
What you need are felt-soled waders with tungsten stud inserts embedded in in them. This allows you to walk on sloppy surfaces, and muddy banks, anglers use them when wading
This is all filmed where I also used to hang around when I stayed at my Auties house, my mom n Auntie grew up around the Stocksfield area, the guard dog at the cement place on Peel Street used to bark at her n scare the shit out of her!😂, my dad's cousin owns a big house near the sewage works on Foxdenton Lane, great video Martin, this brings back a lot of memories mostly good ones!🤔😂✌️
Martin and James have me seriously considering a trip from TX to Manchester just to explore all the incredible places and things he's shown us
You wouldn't regret it, there's so much old industrial archaeology in these parts and it's wonderful to imagine all the stories that may be lost to time behind it all
I'm with you on that one. 💯
Tx?
Make a trip of it and head up to Scotland as well, my TX based boss loved it last year
Texas, huh? We have a lot of history here in Manchester but we don’t have the sunshine you have, and you’ll think our portions are tiny.
We’re not making fun of you because you’re a tourist, that’s just how big our portions are.
FWIW 😉
I wish you made more videos, you should do this for a living, so well done, informative, funny, exciting, hits all angles IMO!
another great informative vid martin you and your team have got more balls than a snooker table for going into those culverts . when you showed a picture of your mam i must admit i had a tear in my eye. please keep us informed for a long time to come..love and admiration from an old ardwickian. all your team keep safe. god bless.
Wow this was an amazing interesting video I like the way you show then & now maps brilliantly done it's good they kept the remaining Brick work with times on it that will show people there used to be a mill nearby thanks to Roy showing the photos brilliant video Martin as always 👍
Yeah, a tributary of the mysterious river Irk.
There must be an absolutely wild geology behind the masonry and stone of the culvert. High iron content from the colliery, then chalkantite buildup, flowstone buildup... I could have spent a day in there trying to look whats behind through the cracks.
Absolutely loved the culvert part (haven't seen the rest yet, and I am already commenting)!
Thanks for taking me on the adventures underground.
As a young man, I would have thought nothing of going into such tunnels. As a kid, I went into a few of the workings of the wet earth colliery in Clifton. Fifty years later, I have developed claustrophobia, to the extent that I get uncomfortable even watching somebody else in a confined space... Funny old thing the brain!
Martin and friends,many thanks for your very interesting video 📷 you do take some chances though,,keep them coming please.,very enjoyable.
I’m from Swansea and is kids used to have loads of exciting derelict industrial ruins, and I’m amazed that I’m still alive from going down tunnels, sliding down slag heaps, and playing in the ruins of such salubrious places as Arsenic works. Now that I’m old, I am horrified!
I love all your videos and here is another one! Have rewatched the River Irwell one with Dial House and underground tunnels. I worked in Dial house in the 1970’s and once went into the beginning of the tunnels with GPO/BT engineers. Sadly I didn’t get to go far but have always been amazed by them. I was told that they continued to Stockport and connected all the telephone exchanges but how true that is, I just don’t know. All the best Martin and thanks for all your hard work!
There are plans to re-wild the wince brook, similar to what they've done on the Medlock in Clayton, to increase bio-diversity.
Great video with some really good attention to detail as with all the other videos you never fail to impress us with something new.
The black and white map comparison says it all which sometimes makes you realise that we are just building on every little bit of green land available and it makes you wonder at what cost to the land and when will it end. A great thanks to all involved in making this video possible in showing us places that we would never normally see or know about. We might be removing all the history above ground slowly but below ground tells another story as shown in this video. Thanks guys.👍
Brilliant as always Martin, I have only recently found your channel and I am not from Manchester but I absolutely love all the stuff you do, I used to work for British waterways (now CRT) and I love industrial history …..well done mate.
Yeah that cantankerous flow does seem like “treated effluent” from a sewer outflow. Having worked in the water industry for 10 years, I would estimate that by looking at that cantankerous flow, it’s probably discharging at a flow rate in-excess of 1000 litres per second! Looking at an areal view of the area, that sewage plant looks considerably a large one, I would expect that the treated effluent is to a high standard there. Great video again, always enjoying 😊
I also work in the industry and went looking at the EA information for the Wince Brook and there were several RNAGs - ammonia (but not BOD) and P to name a couple - attributed to continuous and intermittent discharges. Lots of treatment works across the country in need of some TLC at the moment I think, especially where groundwater is concerned, but we are probably still within 5% of the best things have ever been. Imagine the state of that brook when it was surrounded by active industry, pre-Environment Act.
Hello from Harrisville Michigan I love watching your videos of England history
Can’t believe I’m watching this on RUclips and my wife is watching Emmerdale on tv, it should be the other way round!!
Excellent video as always👍
I’ve always thought that Wince Brook is formed from the confluence of the Stock Brook and the Springs Brook, near the sewage works.
I thought that you'd gone in to retirement Martin 😂 perfect Sunday afternoon viewing material 🙌
Same here
Cheers Martin, as a Middletonian I remember when the Times mill was demolished, I was brought up on moorclose then moved more into Middleton off wood street. It's a crying shame that they've left the iconic Warwick mill in that dilapidated state, Another fantastic video. 😊
Great video Martin, I love it when I can relate to the subject. I worked on the bend of Grimshaw lane opposite Times Mill from the mid 80s till I retired in 2012, so thanks for jogging my memory I'd almost forgotten about the mill being demolished.
Great trek martin and friends......Martin that was worth every second of its 45 minutes for me sat here in front of me log fire and youtube on the t.v ... excellent history and footage and good to see you back underground I look forward to the next one regards rob
Great to see your videos back again Martin.
The Times bollard that remains in what looks to be a residential area kind of brought a tear to my eye; of course time and civilizations move on but losing heritage makes me sad. And that pic of your mom was awesome. She was adorable and I definitely see the family resemblance.
Great video. Love lookimg at old architecture and more so, maps. Great detail.
Great video, thoroughly enjoyed this one, big thanks to Roy for guiding you there👏👏. That photo of his of the tower being blown up was quite something!!
Thank you very much for sharing your Mum's memories of the area, what a lovely picture of her as well😍.
The cantankerous outflow was quite a sight, I'm amazed that you could get so close.
Good luck from Spain!!
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Thanks for another outstanding video Martin and gang. Always a great watch.
Until relatively recently 10-15 years ago there was a car dealership near the hospital in Oldham that was full of Reliant three wheelers, I can't imagine the place was very busy with customers.
Nice to have you back
What a superb video! Well done you three. X
Always a delight to see a Martin Zero video come up in my notifications, keep up the awesomely good work!
Great video Martin, happy new year by the way. I hope you had a good Christmas
Martin, you're a legend! Always loved the Wince Brook when I lived in Chadderton and spent so much time playing in it! There always used to be rumours of a 'flush' that happened to clean the tunnels. Never saw it though, and now I know why Thunder tunnel was always so loud! Thanks again!
At the beginning of the video you show the car park where the pit shaft was if you look carefully just above your cursor there is a shadow on the ground maybe made by the said shaft made bye the ground drying at different rates.
Another fascinating production........
......something new and interesting every time....
I'll never look at water in Manchrster when I poke my nose over an old bridge in the same way again....
Your video’s are some of the best produced and informative that pretty much any topic you do is so interesting to watch. Even the humour is humorous to.
3:01 New Season opening titles: DR WHO starring Martin Zero & Jamie.
9:00 "Ppl worked and had lives there and it's gone. Not even a memory, no one alive to remember it. I find it very strange..." That's the fascinating motif that haunts all MZ videos, also a derelict motif of 19th century gothic-romantic literature. These videos will themselves be relics one day, as will my flat cap, and white-haired croaky old James will be reminiscing to journalists, like Edward Judd at the end of First Men In the Moon.
My old playground! I’ve run across the pipe on many occasions (and never fell in) before the spikes were added! Played football on Jumbo field and played golf on the pitch and putt that used to be on the flat lands above the Brook. Been ratting down the banks of the Brook behind the Times mill and had a rope swing over the Brook. Remember the massive fire in the mills. I lived on The Meadows, Alkrington.
Marvellous video Martin, Roy and James.
Martin, this was quite the adventure, so much information and detail --- outstanding. The quality of you work is why I became a member. At 38:54 you're very lucky to have such a lovely Mother. Martin, you road around in a Reliant 3-wheeler and lived to talk about it, now that's amazing... Thanks to Martin, James and Roy for being part of the adventure.
I'm sure you've some tales too Mike. You've obviously a good heart
@@ltipst2962 Thanks, there is good in us all.
@@jetsons101 I'm sure you're right. Had to just share you made a nice comment, have a lovely eve :)
@@ltipst2962 Thanks...
Hiya Mike.
It was Martins mother that bought him his wellys. He mentions the fact in a video that he posted about 2.5-3 years ago. Had I have had some wellys I could have crossed the Pennines with them a few weeks ago, having bumped into Martin and James in an establishment of hospitality at breakfast time. Sadly I was bereft of the necessary footwear. Two good down to earth blokes! James just needs to be getting himself out of bed earlier in the morning when they've got assignments on their hands. ;-)
Brilliant, been waiting ages it seems for another post, absolutely not disappointed, this for me ranks as one of your top films, well researched, good filming, but super editing, had me glued to the screen from the beginning to the end, just excellent, thank you.
As I told you a while back Martin my mates and I went to Radcliffe School and we met on a Saturday and did this tunnel run till the end. If memory serves It goes to a concrete pipe about 4 feet high and pretty much ends up at a small 10 inch pipe. However the tall part in the middle we called the vault. This was back in the 90s maybe 95. It made me smile to see the large water deposit waterfall as I slipped and put my hand in it that way and wiped it on my mates coat lol
Brilliant Martin, just bloody brilliant!
Each time you post one of these video's i cant help but to think "Now surely his supply of brooks and culverts in the Manchester area must have dried up" but then there's always a new video. Love them, love them... Keep it up Martin!
I love this stuff.
The past is always more interesting to me than the future.
Thanks Martin!
🙏🏼🙌🏻
What a story, I wonder what Post 10 would make of the culverts, thank you and your team for another very entertaining history lesson.
Good to see you all back after Christmas lads another great little video well done ,
The picture of times mill by Alan McEwen was a mate of the late fred dibnah I've got a book of his and it's shows a load of the old buildings around Manchester and chimneys old Fred was knocking down
A nice nod to your beautiful mum👍👏👏👏👏👏
Excellent reminiscent and touching memories ... especially of your Dear Mom, her picture was beautiful... now I see how you get your Looks Martin Zero... Thanks Mate, Cheers...
Another excellent trip thru the Manchester time tunnel. Thanks Martin & Crew...and glad to have you all back in action.
local wince brook a lot as changed clean
Really enjoyed that Martin. Thanks for making. Interested in the Times Mill engine. Looked a lot like a slightly bigger version of the existing Trencherfield Mill engine.
Great video from the main man and the team 👏👏👏👏👏
Excellent vid Martin. All that area was my stomping ground as a youngster (50 odd years ago). Me and my mates used to go up that culvert as far as you did from its outfall just under Crossley Bridge. I had no idea it was the Wince Brook though. I knew of the Brook from nearer to Middleton as I used to walk to school via the banks of the Irk where it joined up, but didn't realise it was the same watercourse. The outflow just under Broadway in Chadderton used to be thick with a horrendous smelling chalk-like sludge. Given the relatively straight line trajectory of the pipe, I always assumed it went under Crossley Playing Fields then continued in the same direction towards Oldham. We always reckoned the stench came from a chemical works on Suthers Street, but your map would seem to disprove that. I used to play at Foxdenton Sewage Works too, and balancing across those thin, brick built arches that went over fast flowing watercourses has left me with an adult fear of walking over such things. Then again, I used to walk along the parapets of the roof of the Hartford Works (which I know you're familiar with), long after the interior had been removed. We get older, we get wiser (maybe.....!) Keep up the good work. Steve
Hi Martin. Great video and if you look at 19 minutes 42 seconds the mill is called Springfield Mill. I really enjoy your videos. Old maps, old photos, industrial archeological - lovely.
Great as always bishop
Thanks GD
Another cracker Martin, thank you. Coal mining was done in places you would never think; From Bury, Rochdale. Devon, Somerset. Where canals went there was coal. The LNWR's (railway) existance was to transport coal to London initially and then to other cities. The Romans used coal for heating and it was used before them to make bronze and iron. Blacksmiths used coal. Sheffield was built because of coal. Mill towns were built on coal fields with soft water rivers. Cheers and keep up the good work.
No mention of Newcastle, Nottingham, and Yorkshire..... They were everywhere till Maggie robbed us
Another fantastic video👍
Fascinating video and very enjoyable. I live in Bristol but love your enthusiasm and how much research you put in to bring these rivers and brooks to life
great video martin as always lots of fun , but missed the tea break lol
Great video Martin, keep them coming. God bless
Great video Martin. Nice to see yourself, Roy and James back in the homely Manchester area. The old culverts are very much stunning how they were built with so much precision in a confined atmosphere. The power of the water running through is so much staggering, and it would need a severe drought if you ever wanted to go in any of those others you were looking at, which were raging torrents. Many thanks Martin for this really great 'expedition'.
Would it be possible to put one of those baggage trackers into a waterproof container ant track the length of these brooks ?
Glad top have you back doing what you love and we enjoy!
Much appreciated your time and efforts to produce your volgs.
An aspect of life we would never see.
thanks very much team
Keep safe warm dry and virus free all
Thanks David
Fantastic video, the photo / old map comparisons are a fave with me, so much has changed over time it's amazing. Lovely photo of your Mom, thanks for the stories, it's the nice thing about having that family connection to an area, going back to where you had adventures as a kid and where your folks played and worked when they were young. The tale of the 3 wheeler that ended up in the stream is priceless, be funny to find that still sticking out the mud somewhere, ha ha. Cheers !!!
Another great video Martin love the way you explore your local history.
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Thank you very much
We had a Relighant Super van way back in the late 60s.early 70s. All the kids and I suspect adults used to take the living piss out of us for having a three wheeler car. We were the only ones with a bloody car on the whole of the estates but still they'd take the piss out of us even though my mam and dad would take a van full of us kids to Skeggy for the day. I actually have fond memories of three wheelers and my first experiences of car mechanics.i actually remember my dad making a head gasket out of a corn flake box
As to allow us to limp home gently. 😄👍
There used to be some old jeep chassis in the brook at Holden Clough near Lee's Road, that was in the 70's, I remember playing there as a kid. Could still be there but not been back as we emigrated to Aus. Love you vids, great stuff Martin and team 👍👍
What a fantastic surprise for for a rainy Sunday! So glad to see you back!
Just made a hot tea, time for video.......
41:26 nice to know atlest something survived
Thank you for your comprehensive research and thorough explanation. Your underground lightshows are always very enjoyable!
so looking at the old line map you have the Reservoir on the corner and it goes under the road to an open cut just south of the open cut you have that triangle Resv. with a box Resv right next to it ... go back to REAL photo you pointed to the Triangle Resv ... but its the open cut next to it that is the stream
excellent work as usual
So glad to see your long awaited video which is excellent as always. Martin you're not only thorough in your research but in this video really added an extra dimension in showing us the beautythere can be in industrial locations too. I loved the way you lit the water outflows in the tunnels and the mineral deposits. 'Thunder tunnel' is aptly named and 'cantankerous' too. What a force of flow! Roy was legendary at those arches where the Wince Brook flows out and onwards, but thank goodness he didn't venture any further in that still fast flow, as my heart was in my mouth. What really made this video though is all of your personal memories connected with this area. Those old stories are the BEST! Your mum's especially! Wot no brew on this occasion or did you just not film it?
Fantastic video guys, & all around my local area. Lots learned again thanks to your extensive research as always 👍🏻
Very interesting, Martin. Those mills were something else. 👌 Thanks for sharing.
Fantastic as usual, you make a stream in an area miles from me interesting and entertaining with visits, hours of research and in this case personal memories.
When the old mills became deralict in Droylsden we could always get in them,
the cops would sometimes come but if we refused to come out they wouldn't
come in and follow us. We just waited for them to leave. 🤣
I really miss the Saxon Mill on Sunnyside Road. It was a majestic structure
Cotton and Coal, what made Manchester the second city in UK.
Wonderful vid most informative, another most interesting piece of the history of South Lancashire.
Well done to you and your team.
John
Bloody hell, that water feature is something else, never seen anything like it! Interesting to see anybody try to pass lol
Know this Brook well, it was right by where I grew up in the late 80s. We spent a day clearing the brook near the apple and pear pub, pulled out so many tyres, shopping trollies and bikes. Made it on to Granada tonight!
Werneth Incline went under Broadway. That embankment was made to bring the road upto bridge level and the junction is actually on the bridge itself. walked the line many times before they developed the area you could get to track level under the bridge so all filled in now. so that part was a cutting not a embankment.! great vid Martin & co.
Remember it well. The cutting of the incline was used for landfill north of that bridge under Broadway. Crossley bridge?
@@jonathanparker9070 I believe so.
Caused a chuckle - my wife grew up in one of those houses in 'posh' Alkrington just a stones throw from the Wince Brook. Posh??? Not been there for a few years since the in-laws passed away. These videos would have fascinated my father in-law who was a chemical plant engineer. He worked in quite a few of those mills and he himself grew up with the river Irk at the bottom of his garden.
My grandad always said there was mining activity around Moston Brook not too far from where you are there. Apparently some of the houses on Moston Lane East subsided due to it. Don't know anything about it though. Interesting stuff!
Moston colliery was part of the seam that included the Bradford pit and the Snipe in Audenshaw. The Miners club in Moston was still running well into the 1980s.
You guys are barmy. Take care out there.
Ah, been looking forward to a new explore 😊
In 1977 i had a reliant robbin because I had past my test on a motorbike. And all these years later I've still got a three wheel Volkswagen trike. Great video.
A cracker Martin. Thank you.
Love the way you pronounce reservoirrrrrr...thanks for another super Vid .
He's being posh - we usually say Reservoy round here.
Just finished watching , Martin..loved it!! Classic Martin Zero.... culverts, side by side maps....Mills...chimneys...music... bricks.....old photos of Manchester....history....everything we want from a Martin Zero film....but.....OMG!!! No brew...no biscuits!!!😮😯😲😲😮😮😯😲😥😢😢😭 .....James!!!! What happened?????? All best wishes, Lee and Caroline
Do you ever work out where some of the manholes are on the surface ?
For instance, @9;31 it's a long drop, but a few yards further @11:25 it's just above, which seems to suggest a hill, but the maps suggest fairly flat land
Marvellous as always.
Great video and your mum was a looker. What happened to you? :)
Cheers
Hi Martin, so much amazing industrial history in and around Manchester, it really was a big part of the Industrial Revolution. It's shocking just how fast that water was going at cantankerous, absolutely deadly but the history of the brook itself is really fascinating to listen to.
Another brilliant video, thank you for sharing, much love. xx ❤
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Or you could get a boat make sure you reenforce it, where it could take some hits. If you combine a boat, with a tank where it can transverse its way out if it becomes beached. I would have extra batteries along with, a beacon for where you can hear it. Hit it two or three times. Then you can triangulate it’s location by ear. If you connected to it by a wire, and make sure you use a material that is tough. There is a synthetic strap that is used for tow straps. You don’t need one that big, but one that is so many threads should be enough, and should also protect the wires that control it. You could even probably send power to the boat tank, where the power source is outside with you and the controller. Then instead of relying on the wifi signal, or visual, you can have the cameras sending, multiple views back to you, essentially live. The delay I don’t know, but should not be much, considering how slow it would travel, unless a current caught it and it gets some speed. If that becomes a issue. Maybe an actuator with a spike on the rear could drop, adding traction, or a small pump that would stop at a certain level, or a tank inside would be sufficient for when full, it could lower it, and then the tracks would have traction to go where you directed it. Testing would be needed for that. Along with the strength and reliability, if emergency you could at least use the handle on the spool like the old ones in cars, for the windows. You could use steady pressure to assist it in returning if no traction or somewhere it could not float back from. Also test the shock resistance, that is where instead of steady constant pressure pulling on it one or two of you guys grab the cable and pull on it quickly, sending a jolt of energy towards your direction. Testing prior, would allow you to have knowledge and the understanding of the tolerances and what it would withstand. There is software that can be used at the controls, that can use the video feeds, and the gyroscopes to factor distance, and degrees turned, and probably could calculate the degrees of pitch. That way a more accurate measurement of location is of the sites. Then if someone is digging or needs more info on what is below or location of, you would be the one. Along with the to date visuals.
Every time you say Foxdenton Park, it reminds me of Foxdenton Walk in Denton, wonder if there’s a connection 😕