Cardo PACKTALK/BOLD/All Brands - Golden Rules to Cross-Brand Intercom Pairing
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2018
- Cross brand pairing = BIG source of confusion for everyone. Made this to help out on that....regardless what brand you own just keep this in mind! If it has "universal intercom", this is how it's doing it.
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As someone in the market and trying to learn how all this stuff works, thank you. You’ve given me an answer to the question that was holding me back.
This is THE best video on the subject I have ever seen and explains so much! Thank you!!!
Awesome! Thank you!!
Thank you so much for the video! Now I understand why it failed to pair my Packtalk with Sena all the time!
That was such a surprise and so helpful. I now know why on my last 2 bike lessons I failed to pair Senna with my Interphone. Looking forward to trying again next time.
5 years later and still making a difference. We had an issue this morning trying to connect Cardo to Wayxin intercoms. Couldn’t figure it out and this video helps a lot. Will try when we next ride. Thanks for this tip
Man, thank YOU!
I spent a couple of hours trying to figure it out but had both in Universal Pairing; followed your advice and bam! All works now.
I can now enjoy intercom when riding with my daughter =)
I really wish I seen this BEFORE struggling to pair my Cardo with my friends Sena 😕
Great Vid! 👍
Awesome vid! Thank you so much! It’s so difficult to find a video that explains this so well. Thank you sir.
Hall Stuart Right on, thanks!! Glad it was useful 👍
Great video, I appreciate the explanation of cross brands. As I’m getting a Cardo Slim but my 2 friends have senas
Thanks! So until your friends see the benefits of DMC Mesh (😊) it will be one of them who uses Universal Pairing Mode to “hack into”/pair to one of your Mobile Phone Pairing slots. Enjoy!
Great description on this! Just got my packtalk slim and I'm new to these helmet headsets and i have a friend that has sena but i was really sold on the packtalk slim and really wanted to get something i wanted and not something i didnt want and i have another friend who's also looking to getting his soon and idk if hes going sena or cardo (most likely cardo) but connecting with 1 another due to different brands was something i was afraid of but this video helped out alot with all the detailed information and answered my questions I was getting ready to ask lol
Awesome and thanks for the comment @Hector Roman !
Although you did not cover my brand, your video helped me figure out Fodsports MS1 pro to Sena 20S.... Thank you
Another great video. I have to say I didn't know, or understand, why pairing different brands was so hit and miss..... I do now, thanks.
Steve West Thanks for the feedback!
thanks for this much needed video and using comon terms to explain it, we have been trying to include our friend for the last year but the quick start guides dont explain this very well.
This video solved my communication issue using 2 Sena and 2 Cardo devices. Thank you
Hello Darlene, how is this working for you? Two of my friends have Sena and I have bold? Wondering if I should just buy a Sens Evo to pair up with the two
Great video, wish i had seen then while i was attempting to pair comms between my brother and I. had a questions though which i have not see anything out yet for it. Firmware now allows sena's to multitask however after pairing with each other i can't seem to get the multitasking to work on either systems. I have a Cardo packtalk slim and my brother has the Sena SRL.
Very informative! My friends have some CellularLine (italian brand) intercoms but i really want a cardo. I still can't figure out if those intercoms support the universal pairing but at least i know there is a way
Very, very well explained. Thank you.
Highly appreciated introduction and explanation!
Nice video! Between the two communication devices, which one do you prefer and why? Thank you for your time.
Great and simple explanation even I am able to understand, thank you.
Jezus this needs to get more views!
Thanks for the explanation. All the manuals make it seem like you put both devices into universal pairing, nowhere does it mention that one has to connect like it would a phone... I have a sena and my friend has a cardo, we struggled to figured it out but this video solved it. One thing though I noticed is that it only works when the sena goes into universal pairing mode and the cardo until is connected via phone pairing, they will connect if the cardo does universal pairing and the sena connects via phone mode but neither of us can hear or talk to each other. Just have to make sure the sena is the one in universal pairing. Now to try and see if I can add my other friend with a senna to the group at the same time... Manual says you can but it is not very clear.
Excellent video. Thank you. You said that DMC mode is far superior. I'm assuming you mean superior to Bluetooth intercom. What is your opinion of DMC mode vs Sena open mesh? Do you have a video on that?
Hello, very good video, my family have 3 Cardo pack talk bold and we met with 4 people who have the Seine 20S evo Harley Davidson, we can all put them pair or just a few and what would be the solution to communicate all?
Thanks in advance
very helpful video! i have a packtalk slim and my girlfriend a sena 3s plus, i'm going mad to paring them... but if i connect as a phone sena to cardo and make the same procedure viceversa, will i be able to start the conversation not only from cardo to sena but also from sena to cardo? thank you!
thanks a lot.. you ve shown it perfect. and at last switch the inertc. button.. thats why it does nt work here. now it fits.
Great video and discussion that follows. Here’s my question. Three riders, each with a different unit. One is a new Top of the line Sena, one is a cheap but otherwise fine Lexin BF4-FM, and the third is a late model Cardo PacTalk. If at all possible, what is the sequence to connect all three for communications while riding. Thanks.
just use Discord .. or conference call via Phone .. and done you wont have the low range req
Cell phone pairing uses BT so would that not pair with the restrictions of BT. So I can see it working as long as you stay in the limited range of BT?
Paired my Packtalk with Sena 10S as per your video but pairing dropped out after 20 secs. Only kept pairing alive by pressing mobile phone button on the Sena. Same thing happens with a Sena 10U in a shoei gt-air helmet. Any ideas why?
Hello MotoGeek, Greetings!!
I am in a group and we have 01 Packtalk Bold (this will be me on Bluetooth mode) 04 Cardo Freecom4 + 01 Senna 20S + 02 V6. When we connect all cardo's only, we have no problem, but when we try to get all brands connected than we have a problem. Perhaps would you help us to find the proper way to get all these different brands together listening/talking? we could never get more than 4 connected
I appreciate your videos, very helpful !!!
I have a PackTalk and all my friends have Sena. I know how to pair them (I'm usually the one in Universal Pairing Mode because around these parts Sena users don't know how to operate their device, and I know how to set a Sena to phone pairing mode). The problem is, once paired, the mic stays hot like you are in a phone call, and doesn't drop unless I disconnect the "call". But then I have to push the button again to open the channel again. No too handy. This hot mic issue may be caused by wind noise or engine noise causing the sena mic to vox open, I'm not sure. Do you have any idea what the problem is and if it's fixable?
This is crazy ..maybe they have something better for the new systems but I have these older ones. 2 sena expand 2.0 sena10 and packtalk bold. After some hours and frustration.... I've been able to get them all working 2 times but it was a miracle both times. Thanks for this video. I believe I will delete all pairings and connect all the sena via intercom..then add the packtalk via its Bluetooth. 🤞 . High concern with messing it all up again but I will report back.
Got it. Thanks ! Just as stated .
Once paired, Sena and scala, could you click the button for switching to music and back? Or does it only work for Comms and once pressed it cancelles?
Perfectly explained, thanks!
how to pair 1 pactalk 3 g9 1 freecom 4 and 2 sena? using this method works? every time I disconnect I will have to do it all over again ?? Thanks!
Thanks, except the Chinese vnetphone v8 bridges between two different brands. So you can have a sense, v8, cardo and they'll all be in a conference
Great video super helpful thanks so much 😁
Thank you for the nice and clear explanation
Thanks!
Fantastic explanation easy, well done and thank you. Could you recommend a bluetooth remote control for Cardo Packtalk please? Many thanks 😊
Thanks for the comment! Only bluetooth remote control I'm aware of for the Packtalk is the "Cardo Connect" mobile app. Check it out if you haven't already...it acts as a full-fledged remote control of the headset and actually works well.
Excellent!
Thank you.
so i successfully paired and rode with a buddy using his senna 10s(although there were some major issues), when i have a non cardo unit paried do you lose the ability to listen to music? of course we firgured out later as well that his 10s had vox turned off so it was a constant on mic which drove me nuts
I am still having trouble with connecting my Cardo Freecom 1+ and my Sena SMH 10-11. Any help?
Thank You for your video, that really helps. How can I pair my GoPro Hero 7 Black with Cardo Packtalk Bold?
Nice! As for connecting to the GoPro, the best wireless solution I've seen so far is this one: ruclips.net/video/NOEYYgjeTDg/видео.html - haven't tried personally but it definitely seems like the way to go! None of the comms will pair directly to a GoPro unfortunately. You can always go direct wire connection, but I think the app method in the video is most promising. Hope that helps.
can you help me on how to connect a BT-S2/S3 to a Palcktalk slim? I have tried all the options you mentioned as well as the instructions on the cardo manual and no success. They achieve connection for 1 second and then the Cardo shuts off suddenly... every time. Do you know what the deal is?
I'm trying to pair a sena1 (Schubert helmet) to a freedconn t max unit, can you advise, I have both in pair mode but I can't get them to pair?
Awesome video explanatiom! Just a question, what if there's 3 different brands of intercoms? Can all 3 be paired together?
Its exactly he said on video...
I think nope...
Hi! Thanks for this. Learned so much. I have a question though. If my packtalk connects to sena via sena's universal pairing (meaning I'm on mobile pairing) how do i connect to that? Is the connection can only be initialized by the one whos in universal pairing mode? Thanks in advance.
In this arrangement, you can initiate the intercom by pressing the "Mobile" button on your packtalk. Normally you use this button to pull up Siri or Google on your phone, but because the Sena is "hacking" into this port for the cross-brand pairing, when you click this button, it will (should) open the intercom session. Hope that makes sense and helps out!
AWESOME Video!!! I wish we would have watched it first before banging our heads against the wall trying to figure it out. I have (2) questions, My Cardo (Universal intercom pairing mode) is paired to a Sena(Phone pairing mode) as explained in your video. But (1) the Sena can't use it's intercom feature. It can only call me just like they would call for a pizza. Is that right? Hence the "Phone pairing mode". And (2) Even though we are connected. When my Cardo intercom connects to talk to the Sena, the call drops within seconds of the connect. Can this be fixed?
Thanks!! (1) That's correct. When paired as you described, the Sena "thinks" it's paired to an actual phone, hence they would have to tap the mobile button in the back to start/end intercom with you. If it was paired the opposite way - Sena (universal pairing mode) to Cardo (mobile phone pairing mode) - then it would be the other way around, the Sena would use the Intercom wheel to activate/deactivate intercom, and the Cardo would have to tap the Mobile button to start/end an intercom session. (2) I've had this happen as well. Try doing a master reset on the Sena and attempt again. No idea why, but most of the time that works out the issue. Hope that all makes sense and helps out a bit!
You Sir are a KING
Tried connecting Packtalk (not Bold) with Sena SMH10 with Universal (Bluetooth). They connect fine, but at any more than about 50' apart I lose 1/2 the connection...I can hear the Packtalk from the Sena, but the Packtalk can't hear the Sena. It sucks. I guess range is the issue? Am I doing something wrong?
Very illuminating!
We tried this with my friends Senna, but this seemed to lose its connection to my cell phone and connected as a headset to his, so now I could chat to hi but now was unable to hear any music on my phone. Should this have been done following the steps for adding a 2nd cell phone ?
Awesome video! Thank you!
Right on thanks!
Which one would you purchase for personal use if you prefer listening to your music and answering calls? The Packtalk Bold or 20S or 20S evo
Both models will do that just fine (in fact MOST models out there would handle that fine), but, if comparing the Packtalk Bold to a 20s/20s Evo (the two 20s models are literally the same, just a different antenna and USB port cover), the JBL sound and the Natural Voice command ability give Packtalk Bold a pretty darn solid plus. Hope that helps and best of luck!
Man, i tried pairing my sena 20s evi with a buddys cardo following this and couldnt get it. I then went to cycle gear and they told me to keep holding that back button longer to get to bluetooth. Is that right?
1.thanks for the video,great job. 2. If it’s a pack talk bold & a sena 20,paired like that, what happens next time they see each other? Same process? Thanks
1. Right on, thank you! 2. Theoretically, and if neither of you have paired to someone/something else that would have taken that same "pairing slot', then you would already be paired and set to go next time you see each other. However, because Universal Pairing from any brand will rob the mobile phone pairing slot of one of the headsets, most people will end up pairing their Actual mobile phone back to their headset after the ride, in which case blowing out the pairing to you and you'll have to use this same pairing process next time you meetup. Hope that makes sense.
MotoGeek Freak thanks for the reply! Follow up: cardo has 2 slots right, but so does the 20S? So shouldn’t they be able to work w the phones fine and then pair back up?
Off all riders like to listen to music through their phones while they ride, does the rider who is in Bluetooth mode lose the option to listen to their music?
All my friends got senas but I want a cardo. Doesn't sound like it would work out very fell for group rides tho.
Maybe I'll just get the solo cardo one and stick with hand signals and yelling at stop lights
lol! Convince those cats to go with Cardo's DMC Mesh and they'll be able to talk without spending an hour in the parking lot getting paired-up every time!!! 😎
Connects to my BT-S2 intercom device and starts a functioning audio connection, but after maybe one second the cardo shuts down and must be restarted manually. Any solution for this problem?
thank you so much this video is very useful for me
Do you have to have at least two Packtalks to use DMC bridge, or can I be in DMC mode (by myself) and bridge to a non-Cardo intercom?
Yes, you can use DMC Bridge when it's just you (Packtalk) and another Bluetooth-only headset to establish intercom connection. Or, you can just use your Packtalk in Bluetooth Intercom Mode for that ride...same difference. DMC-Bridge shines though when there's more than one Packtalk, because it lets the Packtalk folks stay in DMC Intercom Mode (waaaaay better) instead of everyone having to hop over/down to Bluetooth Intercom Mode to connect with each other.
If it's just you and a non-Cardo headset, the feature you're looking for is Cardo Gateway/Universal Pairing. The DMC-Bridge feature is something different (that's what brings a Bluetooth headset into a DMC mesh group for intercom). Hope that helps a bit!
This is awesome. Question. I have a Packtalk Slim and one other rider has a Bold. The remaining guys (3 of them) have Sena 20s. I still have my old 20s and its functional. Can I set my old 20s as the "second mobile phone" and use the Cardo Universal and DMC gateway to pair with it? The goal is to make sure the 20s can communicate with the Sena group while using the second mobile phone pairing slot. The mobile phone pairing distance limitation won't be problem since my old 20s will likely sit somewhere on my bike. Does anyone know if this will work?
Hi Mike. Yes this will work. You can pair each of the 3 20S's (A, B and C) to each other using the standard Bluetooth Intercom pairing and then use Universal Intercom Pairing on A to pair to one of the Packtalks and Universal Intercom Pairing on C to pair to the other Packtalk.
Seems to work. Although I can't listen to music though my cell phone when paired with a non Sena. Any suggesting in being able to use my cell phone when implementing this technique. By the way I use a sena s10.
My husband is having the same problem. Music on Cardo doesnt work when "bridging" the sena. Flip bridge off music works, flip it back to bridge no worky
Trying to do cardo freecom 4+ to a Lexin b4fm. I go to cardo gateway pairing and then mobile pairing on the Lexin and can’t get them to pair. Do I need to turn Bluetooth off or the cardo app off or stop cell connection to cardo? I am struggling….
So i tried this method and yes it connected, but after about 30seconds the 2 units disconnected. Any idea why?
What is the range like when Sena is paired to cardio?
My bother has a Paltalk Bold. Is there a way i can pair my phone or perhaps just the Bluetooth earbuds to his system?
So, if the Sena is connected to the packtalk as a phone, then does that mean that the Sena can not be connected to their own phone at the same time. I am thinking that the Sena owner would have to disconnect their phone before this is tried. by the way, I love your videos...
Thanks! Yes for the most part you nailed it. However, if the Sena you are "hacking into" (universally pairing with) has the ability to pair with 2 mobile phones, then that person (the sena user) COULD pair to their actual phone as well. Example: "Mobile phone pairing 1" would be taken by your Packtalk, and "Mobile phone pairing 2" would be his ACTUAL phone. Your Packtalk will be treating the relationship with the Sena as a true intercom connection, and the Sena would be treating the relationship as a "mobile phone" connection. Hope that makes sense and answers the question!
Hi sir. In my understanding, if you have 5 cardo and 5 other non cardo, they can still talk simultaneously together to each other, right?
For this to work, we need each of the cardo to connect to each of non cardo via BT mode, bring those non cardo into the table and simultaneous talking will be obtained. Is that correct?
We came from Cardo but sold it to buy a cheaper intercom. Our other friends still use cardo and we wanted to know if we can still talk simultaneously even if we use a non cardo device.
Yes you nailed it, that is exactly correct 👍
HI MototGeek, Thanks for all the valuable information, it is great!!! Quick question when pairing with my friend who rides with the GT-Air II specific SRL 2 Bluetooth Communication System by Sena We pair great, but if we are just maybe 500 feet it's start to disconnect, is there a way to get that miles going or not really!? Thanks again!
@Hugo Hamaoui
Thanks!! Unfortunately, anytime you're pairing one brand to a different brand, the intercom range REALLY takes a hit. The only real way to solve the range-issue when dealing with different brands is to call each other through your phones...but then of course you need to be within service range. Sorry to not be more helpful but hope it helps!
MotoGeek Freak that’s perfect thanks 🙏🏻 !!!:)
@@MotoGeekFreak we can also try a discord server option...
Hey buddy . Will my packtalk pair with Chinese Bluetooth headsets?
Is there anyway of listening to music too when both cardo and sena are working together
I have 2 freedconn helmet comms and one sena expand headset. How can I make all 3 pair?
hi! so if majority in my group uses sena and I’m the only one with packtalk bold, I won’t be able to hear them during ride? correct me if I’m wrong. I can only connect to one of them? say 5 users of sena then me as lonesome cardo user in the group.
Hey! Good question and YES you should be able to hear/talk to all of them. The sena should absolutely be able to do that. You'll only be directly paired to one of them (using the method above) but it will basically bring you into their exiting conversation. Keep in mind, if some of them start switching to Packtalk, that will change everything. Then you would have the Packtalks grouped together in Mesh (way better than Bluetooth for group comms) and bring the remaining Senas into the coversation. Hope that helps and good luck!
Thank you! Perfect.
Thanks!!
We even managed to connect cardo to cheap chinese tcom-sc somehow, but only for few times.
My Cordo Freecom 2+ connected to the Sena 20S via phone bluetooth connection as you described. If I push the intercom button on the Freecom 2+ it opens a intercom connection with the Sena. BUT how do you initiate an intercom call from the Sena ? Pushing the phone button or the intercom button does nothing.
Ok cool, if you've got the two of them connected and talking that means you paired them up right (good job). In your case, to open up the intercom from the Sena you must use the phone button (don't even bother with the sena's intercom button, won't happen)...BUT, as you said, that's not working. I hate to say this but do a Master Reset on the Sena 20s, pair them up again the exact same way you did the first time, and that should fix it (you should then be able to initiate the intercom from the sena as well by pushing the sena's phone button once). Hope that helps!
Does it matter which slot, Mobile Phone 1 or 2, the other brand pairs to?
When you pair to another brand using phone pairing, does that headset still get music and GPS? Basically we need to be able to talk to easy other AND enjoy music and GPS along with rider/passenger intercom.
Of the two headsets, the one that paired using its "Mobile Phone Pairing" slot will be pretty limited. It basically "thinks" it's paired to a phone but it's not, it's paired to the other helmet. However, if that comm can pair with 2 mobile phones, then it is possible to play music from the second phone pairing (the actual phone) when not talking over the intercom.
I'm trying to connect a Sena SMH10 in conference mode to 2x Interphone Tour units. Is it possible to get connection in true conference mode in this way? We've managed to connect the Sena to one of the Interphone units but it won't connect to both for some reason. But the 'middle man' Interphone unit can connect to both. but has to chat to us separately!
The Sena won’t be able to connect to both Interphone Tour unit’s using Universal Intercom- only to one of them. Since there are 2 Interphones and 1 Sena in your case, you would want to pair the 2 Interphone’s together in their native pairing, then have 1 of the Interphone units use Universal Pairing to pair with the Sena (using mobile phone Pairing on the Sena unit). Assuming the Interphone Tour can conference Intercom when paired to another Interphone and a Universally Paired Intercom, and you pair them like this, that would give you 3-way conference. If it does NOT have that ability then you will have to toggle between the 2 riders unfortunately! Hope that helps!
Hi, i have paired my packtalk slim to a cheap Bluetooth set. But we cant hear each other...seems like we're paired and thats all....
Very informative, thanks.
Thanks! I don’t think it’s ever been made clear before by the manufacturers and almost everyone I run into struggles with this aspect of their comm setup, so hopefully this helps out and they come across it at some point! Lol
Would you mind if I share your video with the members of my Club the South Coast BMW Riders Club ? We motel / camp monthly plus day rides and this would help keep up together. I await your answer before I do anything.
Bill Reitz Thanks for asking and yes, absolutely. Most of my vids are on Packtalk (it’s the best d@mn intercom for motorcyclists by far) but I made this one to help out the riding community in general because it’s a real issue. So yes, absolutely!
So hold on, the way i see it, i would have to get my pack talk slim into a BT mode to connect with 2 senas? Would i loose connection with my phone? Would i auto connect when back in range?
As far as I understood, if you have 2 senas and 1 pack talk it goes like this.
The 2 senas connect via normal intercom and then, one of the senas additionally activates universal intercom and you have to activate your "mobile phone connection" and slide into the mobile phone slot of the sena. I don't know if you're able to use your phone in that configuration, haven't tested it yet.
I appreciate the video!
Right on thanks for the comment!
The only guy on RUclips with a brain Thank you!
Thanks for this video.
In my case, I'm still having some trouble. I'm the only Packtalk. My two friends both have a Sena 20s. I've have them put one 20s in Universal Pairing Mode, and I put my Packtalk Bold in Mobile Pair Mode, and they never found each other. Am I do something wrong?
Brandon Smith Hmmm. Sounds like you’re doing it perfectly correct too. The only thing I can think: with the Sena 20s specifically (not other models), I’ve sometimes had to do the “Master Reset” on the 20s in order to make it pair. No idea why. But, when it won’t pair, I do the reset on the 20s by using a pin in the small whole on the back side (that’s how you do the reset on that model), then when I try again, it works! Again, no idea why, but worth a shot. You don’t need to do anything to the Packtalk....it’s a 20s thing. Hope that helps!!
Hello Brandon, did you get this to work? I am in same boat. Two of my friends have Sena 20S evo and I have Bold.
@@arielban1 Hi. I never got it to work properly. If you do, come back and let me know.
Hi, I tried to pair BMW communication system with Sena SC2 (for Schuberth C5) did not work. BMW is not visible to Sena. Any thoughts? Thanks
Hey, am trying to pair a blue tooth push to talk button, dongle attached to my walkie talkie (yaesu FT-4x) to a Sena SPH10H-FM headset. When I push the PTT the radio connects but the audio doesn’t transmit. Any ideas?
I still can't figure out how to connect my sena 10c evo to a group of cardos...
I’ve done a lot of experimenting with cross pairing brands. I’ve concluded that Bluetooth it’s just a crappy technology and produces static every time it’s used. I do not recommend cross pairing brands only mesh between the same brands. What’s further hindering is a phone connection pairing is only meant to go between the phone and the headset which is usually around 2 feet away from each other. Now you’ve taken that headset and put it on another rider a quarter-mile away and for sure is going to get static and drop out. When you introduce a Bluetooth headset into a clean connection mesh system, you cause static for everybody. Not cool. Cross pairing is a waste of time just get the same brand units and mash them together
Very well said. It's crappy idea to connect with other brand. Big waste of time. For sure, this guy doesn't even experience what he is saying. It only tells us things about connecting to other brand but doesn't really experience it himself.
I pair with my cheap Lexin to a cardo and we can be a hundred yards or more than 5 vehicles apart and hear each other clear as a bell.
@@jag1963- I've found my Packtalk Bold works really well with some of the cheap intercoms and I too can achieve some decent distance and still be able to hear clearly. I really rate the Packtalks even in Bluetooth mode.
Question.
What if I connect my cardo spirit (2 way) to cardo 4x but the 4x is also connected to other 4x.
What will I hear on my cardo spirit? Will I hear all other 4x?
Yes - you will hear them and they will hear you, will work great 👍
me and my lass have this setup and we both find the quality pretty bad and very quiet too.. would it be louder and better if we both had bluetooth with a cardo unit?
Cardo-to-Cardo is DEFINITELY a better experience than Cardo-to-Non-Cardo regarding intercom quality. For sure.
I have a cardo packtalk slim and a cardo freecom 1+ for my passenger.
However they wont pair when i try this. I have the slim in cardo gateway
and the freecom in searching for a mobile device. However they keep
flashing and not connecting
Hi there. Since the packtalk slim and freecom 1+ are both Cardo headsets, you don't want to be using "cardo gateway" pairing mode (that's only for when pairing to a NON-cardo headset). SO, on both units, press and hold the "Intercom" button until you see the LED start flashing red. This will put both of them in the correct pairing mode. Once the LED goes solid red, then returns to a normal/slow blue flash, the units are paired together for intercom. Good luck and hope that helps!
Hello and thanks for this.
I am in a group of packtalk owners. My friend and his wife have a pair of Scala rider Q1's which have only one intercom channel each (I think). Does this mean we can't "Bridge" them in and have to use "gateway" on one of each of their mobile phone channels instead? Thanks.
I think the best/most reliable way to bring them in would be to use the "DMC Bridge" feature. One packtalk could pair to one of the Q1's and bridge them in, and another packtalk could pair to the second Q1 and bridge that one in. At that point the two Q1's would be able to hear and speak to the whole group (including each other, of course). You're right about the Q1's only having one intercom channel, so when your friend and his wife return home, they would have to re-pair their two Q1's together again...but that's pretty easy. The only other way I could see it reliably working would be to have one of the Q1 users call you (like, mobile phone call you); you could then "Bridge" that phone call into the whole group, and the Q1 caller could share that phone call with the other Q1 that it's paired with (at which point everyone would be connected, but reliant on cell coverage). Hope that makes sense and helps out a bit!
@@MotoGeekFreak Thanks very much for this comprehensive and very helpful answer. I'll let you know how we got on.
Ok if I have a Cardo Freecom 2 EVO and my friend has a Sena 30k and we pair up using your method, do we still have range and quality of sound as if they were both the same brand of intercom?
Good question - first thing, this is the ONLY method to get the two different brands talking. Second, there is always (unfortunately) a quality and range hit when pairing up two different brands. Totally unfortunate, and hopefully that changes in the future, but at least it can be done now (wasn't even doable when these things first started coming out) Hope that helps and best of luck man!
Ok so if four of my friends have Sena 20s I'll be able to join them with my cardo bold as long as one of them pairs with me through universal mode?
Yep, that's correct. If one of them goes to "Universal Pairing Mode", then you would HAVE to go to "Mobile Phone Pairing Mode" (because that's how universal pairings work) and that'll work. All 5 of you should be able to talk once the intercoms are opened up.
@@MotoGeekFreak nice thanks for the quick reply I'm gonna buy the Cardo instead
Are you saying one rider has to give up their cell phone in cross brand pairing? So one rider can't listen to music and such from his cell phone? Can you use Bluetooth to communicate?
Thx mate for the clarification. I was struggling as well.
Thanks for the explanation as it is very hard to find his info from either Cardo or Sena. So just to confirm. I want to buy a Cardo Packtalk Bold. One of my friends has a Sena SMH10 and the other a Sena 10S. So for me to communicate with both of them in a group. I would connect to either one via bluetooth, with one of my Sena guys (hacking) treating my Cardo as a Mobile Phone, then my Two friends would connect to each other using their intercom function?
@Gran Turismo Arena yes that's right, you nailed it. One of the Sena guys would use Universal Inercom pairing mode, and you would have to use Mobile Phone pairing mode...that would get you two connected. Then the two Sena guys pair with each other using the native Intercom Pairing. All 3 of you would be able to communicate at that point. When the time comes for the guy with the SMH10 (that thing goes pretty far back) to upgrade; should he get a Packtalk as well, that would change everything for the better. The 2 Packtalks would connect in DMC Mesh and you would just Bridge the Sena 10s into your convo. Sorry for the long answer but I think you've got it!
@@MotoGeekFreak Thanks very much for your in-depth reply, and for clearing that up for me. I really appreciate it,.
Two questions, does cardo bold have a wifi connector system like the sena 50 where it gets updates via the app no more computer connecting. Also if one person has sena and the other cardo does this pairing also need to be done everytime or dose the eg cardo remember the other headset if its entered into the pairing list in the app.
1. No, still has to be plugged into the computer for firmware updates, but that's the only time- everything else is done from the app. In my perfect world it would be nice if the app could do the firmware updates as well but there must be something preventing them from going that route i guess. From what I've seen/read the wifi connector method seems to comes across a lot more easier than it really is??
2. In theory, assuming that neither of you paired with anyone else, yes they will remember each other and you don't have to do this every time. BUT, I've had mixed results on that. Sometimes they remember each other, and sometimes they don't....no idea why that is. Once you know HOW to do it though, it's pretty easy to just knockout a fresh pairing when you get together; I find myself just doing that anyways. Hope it helps!