FWIW, you should check out the rewards and currency system in Splitgate. I know it's a "dead game", but it was the most rewarding system I have seen in a F2P game. The studio hasn't shut down, in fact, they're working on their next game.
this makes me so mad that they cant even do what people with a Xbox can do, and they get money for it. the community knows what's good for itself but 343 or Microsoft wont listen to that same community. if they were paid they would be doing more maps of better quality and more content would be there too but 343 cant see that it seems.
I do really like how it looks, from a gameplay perspective. The green clashes against the rest of the aesthetic and the particle effects rising up from them practically spell out "HAZARD", so even if it's your first time playing the map you as a player know not to jump into it.
These maps that Sperasoft have worked on have been in the files for a long time as unfinished versions. I wouldn't be surprised if 343 hired them to simply finish the maps that they didn't have the people for. Would make a lot of sense and it could even be possible that Sperasoft did finish these maps in just a few of days. Side note, getting killed by the goo on the new map doesn't count as a self destruct so you can just jump into it indefinitely which i find kinda funny.
Forgers actually care about halo. These companies dont. Its about making maximum money with minimum effort. Just pay the forgers instead. Is it that hard?
Ok, since it’s so easy, let us know what monetization strategy you’d deploy to compensate forgers. Make sure it has the right incentive structure, can’t be abused, and also the right business model that it either makes or saves 343 money. Everything sounds easy until it’s actually up to you to make the decisions and realize the devil is on the details.
@@CDX7forgers whose maps are featured by 343 and are implemented in official playlists are to be paid on commission basis. 343 essentially "buys" the work from them at a fair price representing the work that went into it (serious wild spitball here, say, I dunno, $3000 USD for a map once it's in the game). That's all there needs to be to it.
@@CDX7you are pretending like this has never been done before in other games. and as the other guy said, if the map gets featured, pay a commission fee. 3000 seems a bit low, but then again, he said he was spitballing so fair enough
For... ever, actually. Season 1 and two were atrocious. 3 and 4 started to stabilize the whole thing. Since then, this game has been kept alive only because of forgers. Forgers are the sole reason we haven't uninstalled the game at this point, tell me if I'm lying. And 343 is unable to pay these people keeping the game alive. Oh but... they have no problem paying an incompetent company. Absolutely disgusting.
Strictly speaking it isn't at all, as since the beginning of the year only a small portion of the studio is committed to further Infinite development. Everyone else is working on whatever is next. If it was truly a sunken cost then they wouldn't be moving away from Slipspace or have the vast majority of the studio working on a new title, they'd still be sinking their full resources into it. They know Infinite's reputation can never fully recover from the previous leadership's decisions so they're moving on while a skeleton crew continues with Infinite. Is that good? Dunno, only time will tell, but it isn't a sunken cost.
It's worth pointing out that Valve solved this issue over a decade ago with Team Fortress 2: Almost all of the maps in the game today - out of well over a hundred at this point, maybe even close to 200 - are made by community members. The community makes them for free, out of passion, but if valve selects one for addition, they pay the creators. Valve only has to do the work of curation, and the maps themselves get to be made by people who aren't necessarily on a time crunch, and have genuine passion and love for the game and mapmaking. Not to mention, those users have access to full developer tools to make maps. 343 doesn't even need to provide that with how robust forge is. Paying forgers *after* adding their maps to rotation should not only be cheaper than contracting an entire studio, but yield better maps the community would enjoy more. This isn't even considering the mountains of community goodwill 343 and microsoft would build by interfacing with the community this way. Outsourcing to a studio to make *forge maps,* not even developer-tooled maps, feels like a spit in the face of the people who have been doing this for years out of love for the game. I fail to understand why 343 even went the route that they did, other than likely internal politics at microsoft (higher-ups demanding faster content turnaround and making it happen the only way they know how; outsourcing). It's very strange to me how few companies in the games industry even take notes from valve, when they've made some of the most profitable and longest-lasting games in history.
Spitting straight facts. So many live service games (Halo Infinite included) launch with the "10+ year roadmap! This game will be played for decades!" buzzword stuff, but they ALL fizzle out and die a hilarious/pitiful death maybe 2 to 3 years later. Valve's TF2 is one of the *very few* games to actually last 10+ years receiving constant major updates throughout that period. (2007-2017 for major updates, though the game still regularly gets holiday updates to this day adding community content). It's mind-boggling so few companies (if any) see any value in following Valve's success. (They only really seem to copy Valve's F2P economy model....but put it in a paid game. None of their actual...ya know...making the game itself stuff.)
I have feeling that one of the reasons it takes so long for forge maps to enter rotation is because of optimization. 343 has to make sure that maps run well enough on lower end pcs/last gen consoles, and these Spearsoft maps are very low detail and require far less object optimization and frame rate checks which, in turn, allows them to pump the maps out faster. Something like the Headlong remake probably takes way more time to make sure it's a playable experience for everyone.
Sperasoft has worked on a few of the Faber-made maps added to Infinite post-launch, including those Mint Blitz has praised, for example Forest. They clearly have a lot of passion for Halo and the sudden lack of polish for corrosion and to some extent elevation might be due to the overall difficult times infinite is facing
@@AlwayzFresh I put 50% of the blame on the community and 50% of the blame on 343. The community for constantly accepting mediocrity when it comes to Infinite, and 343 for not even trying to make the game better.
Personally I'm ok with that. As long as they create playlists to show off these maps. Super Mario Maker, Dreams, Little Big Planet, Minecraft, etc. There's a ton of games that give tools to players to make endless content well after the developer has stopped working on content. I think what we should be demanding, instead of 343 made maps, our additions to the sandbox with new equipment and weapons. Maybe even vehicles.
@nrXic 100% this. I'd take any decently polished Forge made map from a passionate forger over a majority of the vanilla maps 343 launched with. But maybe it was the year drought waiting for forge that made those maps a bore. Like is that Banished double barrel just not coming out? lol
I never liked how elevation played and I thought it was just me not knowing the map. But yeah the spawn points being broken really hinders the amount of fun you can have. No wonder I didn't like playing it
Thanks for the vid Mint. You bring up some interesting points about the new map. I haven't noticed the spawn point problems but your gameplay footage illustrates your point.
This perfectly explains why my elevation CTF experience is terrible. If enemy team spawns pelican and you try to push to grab flag they just spawn on top of you and immediately have an opportunity to stop you from running with it. At least with the other side’s building spawn you have way more pathways to go and find cover.
Kinda like the mission Keyes? I planned on making something in that theme, the green water pools would be a good change from the broken toxic goo anyways
Keep in mind that this company also helped development for Skull and Bones, COD MW3, and Assassin's Creed Mirage. Not sure if I can say they have a steady background.
It's funny how the map with the spiky rocks and the corrosive liquid that damages you. Looks (visually) how i made my custom campaign "corrosion" a few month ago. Funny
The first thing I noticed on one of my first games in Corrosion was spawning right beside a Ghost driven by the other team while on our side (I was killed). So just to be clear, it looks like there is potential for spawns to be both a serious advantage or disadvantage depending on the other team's position.
Very enlightening for someone who hasn't played much since release. Wake me... when there are more BTB maps. I would say wake me when there is second less suck Banshee or a full blown shielded vehicle system like in Halo 2, but I know that won't be coming from 343 if at all.
When I first noticed the spawns don't flip or rotate I was playing CTF, pushed in their base killed 3 players and hide in the back of their base. I then found out they just spawned their again and wiped me out.
So much potential with the concept of the community forging maps (& being financially compensated) ... But it's impossible for anything to get off the ground when the fundamentals are shattered. (343) My take: We need a complete rebirth, building on the best of Halo 2/3's gameplay/aesthetic, on the latest Unreal Engine ... Halo deserves a ROCK SOLID foundation, so that all of the detailed ideas (such as forge) can THRIVE
The fact that an external company is getting paid for far inferior work over top of better quality maps made by forgers for FREE is just sad. Either pay your forgers for better quality content in matchmaking on don't publish maps made by external companies until they meet the minimum level requirements at least!
I like having vehicles in arena and larger 4v4 maps to allow them, plus the 'gimmicks' that have been in recent maps like acid, low g and the avcam corridor are cool; but with vehicles on corrosion specifically it feels like the geometry of the ground with little rocks and things there for decoration is off, driving the ghost and mongooses on it feels like driving with no suspension on gravel, its jumping around and getting stuck on the tiniest little pieces of terrain. Might also be related to the new networking model but it feels especially prominent on this new map
Holy cow! The last time a new map was released, I said they stopped putting thought into map design and instead just slap some gimmicky section in the map and pretend like it makes up for the lack of map design. Looks like that trend is still ongoing.
I really like the way corrosion plays way more than the other forger made maps I've played. But all your points are still valid obviously. Pay the forgers and give them the tools.
Now i know this is off topic, but what i wanna know is there anyway gou could bring up crosscore helmet attachments? It would be cool to have cat ears on all helmets, or the reach attachments on the mk4 helmets, ect ect. Ofc not all will work, but would be nice.
In my opinion I like Corrosion it is compact and the acid is a fun level hazard however they do need to fix some of the spawn issues. Also the acid is a bit tacky looking but they can update the texture to fix it otherwise I give it a 8/10.
I think that 343 should give a select few (maybe 20 or 30) forgers the dev tools for maps and give them some sort of salary. Maybe that 100 dollars per 1000 plays of a map or something but just a form of reward. We could have some cool maps and have compensated forgers as well. Microsoft probably wouldn’t let them though.
Maybe I can use my cinematography skills to flavor up the lighting of some of these maps 😅. But seriously, lighting makes a huge difference in not just appearance. It can drive strategy, 343….
Off topic but has anyone been able to get the “ rendezvous” map in FireFight recently? 😅 played for 2 hours yesterday and I kept getting the old firefight maps. Didn’t get rendezvous once, the rotation seems very unlucky for me.
@@HoodRed69 I mean not really. Halo 4 launched with all content day 1, Halo 5 only had forge delayed for 3 weeks and that's because of their launch deadline given to them by Microsoft. MCC was their first big misstep but the reality is, making it the MCC instead of H2A alone was Microsofts idea, and they forced 343 to do it last minute, I don't know a single person who expected MCC to launch properly. Halo Infinite was the first genuine launch where you could call 343 not just incompetent, but GROSSLY incompetent. I'm hopeful for the next entry with new management and not having to clean up the garbage (Infinite) of the old management.
@@megaman37456 Absolutely not there's a reason why most of the fanbase have up and left. Even in 4 and 5 it lacked the proper artstyle,lacked the soul of the older games, they try to change everything to separate themselves from Bungie which led to them retconning mistake after mistake. Its been about 12 years now under their management, if this were any other job they would have been fired a long time ago. And to have the audacity to say it's not their fault after firing all the lead management and still be making mistakes to this day only relying on hype to keep hope alive. But ultimately it ends in more of the same incompetency. If you actually believe things are going to get better with them in charge, you're either a bot or paid to shill or special.
I wonder why 343i is like this, months to add a single helmet attatchment, functional weapons leaked, vehicles as well, but they release those years after, i want to think it is the Slipspace Engine that are slowing they down
Mint, lately I’ve been finding myself in so many squad battle games where almost half the team leaves. I feel like this is a big problem because the matches aren’t fair anymore and it’s taking the fun out of the game. This could easily be fixed if there was a penalty for leaving games early. I understand some people have connection issues but there has to be a way to fix people just quitting games.
I actually like elevation and think it has a nice aesthetic but corrosion sadly was leaked back in November I think and it looks like they did a whole lot of nothing to update it since then lmao
This is a slap in the face to forge creators. They need to pay the people who are upholding this game lol, just shows this big corporations can talk the talk & get away with not walking the walk.
Considering that the forge maps look pretty solid overall I gotta say these ones definitely look like “they were obviously made in forge” they did the bare minimum a map layout and called it a day
I like the gungoose play on this map, most other maps maybe you'll get a chance to ride one, this one if you want one you can get one. They are not as OP as Mint has said in his previous video, instead I feel they are actually viable now, where previously it felt like a non-viable gimmick. That said it does feel a bit OP. But it is more balanced now than before. I think it really comes down to being OP in the hands of a top player, whereas low-skilled players won't be able to take advantage of it. Similarly OP players can blow them up without too much trouble by grabbing weapons that are good at that, whereas low-skilled teams will ignore or avoid vehicles so they end up dominating. Other than that most of the matches I had on the new map were pretty bad. I think it was just the matchmaker giving me bad, unbalanced matches though. I like the flow of the map itself, though as stated it could use another art pass. It is a bit embarrassing to be killed by Gak after all.
Personally, I like the lower map quality. It feels fun, and reminiscent of Halo CE. The pretty, aesthetic maps are great too but I like the older style
Someone getting paid to make Corrosion is absolutely ridiculous. Couldn't play more than 3 games on it as my team and I kept getting spawn killed endlessly. I literally spawned on the same exact point multiple times and the dude didn't have to move his crosshair at all. Would love to try infection on it but that's about it.
I just don't understand why they don't just make a Forge group where you get paid to make maps. So for example, you have 4 groups make maps, but if say only maps from groups 2 and 4 end up being selected, so groups 1 and 3 get (just for example purposes) $1,000 to split amongst those in the group to compensate for their time, while groups 2 and 4 might get $10k each to split between themselves (again, this is just an example number, as I don't know how much groups like SperASoft are being paid). This way you drastically increase the quality and performance of the maps, and people now have a means of making money.
Although I agree with most of the things in the video. I really don't know if all the community forge maps are tested on all platforms (including Xbox One). Maybe spearsoft go "aesthetically" basic for the sake of the frame rates on the Xbox One imo
Played this map once. I had to laugh at the trash bags in the pipes, the puddles of acid that have square edges, the crashed warthog dirt pile that looks like it’s play dough. 343 is not testing the maps or finishing them
This has been my main complaint with the game ever since forge launched. 343 has absolutely dropped the ball in terms of curating community content into matchmaking. We needed someone like you to bring focus onto this problem BADLY! New community creations playlist when? There hasn't been enough.
Halo infinite multiplayer feels like a fan made game rather then something made by a studio. Meanwhile fans are making halo games that feels like they're made by the studio.
This is something that I’ve thought about too. Forge maps should be updated over time to become more refined because there are some amazing standout Forge Maps in this game but these ones are almost amateur in comparison. The fact that they’re commissioned is even more of a slap in the face to the Forge community who put out higher quality maps.
Why would acid damage energy shields? That makes no sense. It would be more interesting and realistic if the acid was fine to walk in UNLESS your shields were down, and then it kills you.
Remember that vendor tools require vendor experience. You cannot take YE and Gadot sandbox designers and expect them to git gud overnight on forge AND I've never heard of a business hiring Forge designers AS Forge designers. Honestly 343ForgeLord would be pissing himself laughing at the circumstances (not that he can admit it). It's like Quake 2 and other great games from the past. Expansions being made by B teams and side companies do not make great products, they just make okay products to milk the IP.
Yeah it’s bs how this company is doing a piss poor job and is being paid for it while forgers put all their heart into making maps but don’t get a single penny for their work. 🤦🏻♂️
Youre going to tell me someone checked the respawn points, the bot pathing, the map art and said yep, looks good to me!
FWIW, you should check out the rewards and currency system in Splitgate. I know it's a "dead game", but it was the most rewarding system I have seen in a F2P game. The studio hasn't shut down, in fact, they're working on their next game.
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Ok, well at least it's not in ranked if its objectively an unfair experience spawn points not swapping and bot performance wise, right?
343 paying people to do a worse job is peak 343 management
this makes me so mad that they cant even do what people with a Xbox can do, and they get money for it. the community knows what's good for itself but 343 or Microsoft wont listen to that same community. if they were paid they would be doing more maps of better quality and more content would be there too but 343 cant see that it seems.
The acid looks like it's from the OG doom
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought that.
The map looks like I made it and that’s not a good thing
Fr! Bro the other night I was thinking about making the pit from Halo 3 in OG doom lol
Nickelodeon slime 😂
I do really like how it looks, from a gameplay perspective. The green clashes against the rest of the aesthetic and the particle effects rising up from them practically spell out "HAZARD", so even if it's your first time playing the map you as a player know not to jump into it.
its genuinely a travesty that the community seem to be more bothered about creating content for this game than the company that owns the bloody thing
Or the company getting paid to make new maps
Corrosion looks so ugly, there is no texturing and no detailing and that’s a big no no to me.
Halo CE looks better than it.
I know, I tried to play infinite and the maps are so just ugly, I just went back to halo reach
@@Maxschellenberg the maps aren't ugly at all, Forge maps can look amazing, and the devs maps are beautiful, talking rubbish.
Dude I was just having an itch to make it more appealing but I think this is just bait by 343
@@Episode_13 Forge does not count lol. Nobody plays those not even in matchmaking.
These maps that Sperasoft have worked on have been in the files for a long time as unfinished versions. I wouldn't be surprised if 343 hired them to simply finish the maps that they didn't have the people for. Would make a lot of sense and it could even be possible that Sperasoft did finish these maps in just a few of days.
Side note, getting killed by the goo on the new map doesn't count as a self destruct so you can just jump into it indefinitely which i find kinda funny.
Forgers actually care about halo. These companies dont. Its about making maximum money with minimum effort. Just pay the forgers instead. Is it that hard?
Why pay forgers when they can make another Halo game that will barely function on launch and have a shiney flawless store.
343i, Phil Spencer, and Matt Booty don't care about Halo.
Ok, since it’s so easy, let us know what monetization strategy you’d deploy to compensate forgers. Make sure it has the right incentive structure, can’t be abused, and also the right business model that it either makes or saves 343 money. Everything sounds easy until it’s actually up to you to make the decisions and realize the devil is on the details.
@@CDX7forgers whose maps are featured by 343 and are implemented in official playlists are to be paid on commission basis. 343 essentially "buys" the work from them at a fair price representing the work that went into it (serious wild spitball here, say, I dunno, $3000 USD for a map once it's in the game). That's all there needs to be to it.
@@CDX7you are pretending like this has never been done before in other games. and as the other guy said, if the map gets featured, pay a commission fee. 3000 seems a bit low, but then again, he said he was spitballing so fair enough
Forgers have been carrying this game for a long time.
For... ever, actually.
Season 1 and two were atrocious. 3 and 4 started to stabilize the whole thing. Since then, this game has been kept alive only because of forgers.
Forgers are the sole reason we haven't uninstalled the game at this point, tell me if I'm lying.
And 343 is unable to pay these people keeping the game alive.
Oh but... they have no problem paying an incompetent company.
Absolutely disgusting.
Halo Infinite could be the subject of a case study on the sunk cost fallacy.
It really does seem ludicrous that anyone still supports this game
@@shannonjones8877 Agreed
Strictly speaking it isn't at all, as since the beginning of the year only a small portion of the studio is committed to further Infinite development. Everyone else is working on whatever is next. If it was truly a sunken cost then they wouldn't be moving away from Slipspace or have the vast majority of the studio working on a new title, they'd still be sinking their full resources into it. They know Infinite's reputation can never fully recover from the previous leadership's decisions so they're moving on while a skeleton crew continues with Infinite. Is that good? Dunno, only time will tell, but it isn't a sunken cost.
@@Churchgrimm nerd
@@Churchgrimm it's sunk cost for the players who can't move on
343 has literal free labor and _still_ prefers to outsource to a clearly less experienced company...
That sure does sound like 343.
It's worth pointing out that Valve solved this issue over a decade ago with Team Fortress 2: Almost all of the maps in the game today - out of well over a hundred at this point, maybe even close to 200 - are made by community members. The community makes them for free, out of passion, but if valve selects one for addition, they pay the creators. Valve only has to do the work of curation, and the maps themselves get to be made by people who aren't necessarily on a time crunch, and have genuine passion and love for the game and mapmaking. Not to mention, those users have access to full developer tools to make maps. 343 doesn't even need to provide that with how robust forge is.
Paying forgers *after* adding their maps to rotation should not only be cheaper than contracting an entire studio, but yield better maps the community would enjoy more. This isn't even considering the mountains of community goodwill 343 and microsoft would build by interfacing with the community this way. Outsourcing to a studio to make *forge maps,* not even developer-tooled maps, feels like a spit in the face of the people who have been doing this for years out of love for the game. I fail to understand why 343 even went the route that they did, other than likely internal politics at microsoft (higher-ups demanding faster content turnaround and making it happen the only way they know how; outsourcing).
It's very strange to me how few companies in the games industry even take notes from valve, when they've made some of the most profitable and longest-lasting games in history.
Spitting straight facts. So many live service games (Halo Infinite included) launch with the "10+ year roadmap! This game will be played for decades!" buzzword stuff, but they ALL fizzle out and die a hilarious/pitiful death maybe 2 to 3 years later. Valve's TF2 is one of the *very few* games to actually last 10+ years receiving constant major updates throughout that period. (2007-2017 for major updates, though the game still regularly gets holiday updates to this day adding community content). It's mind-boggling so few companies (if any) see any value in following Valve's success. (They only really seem to copy Valve's F2P economy model....but put it in a paid game. None of their actual...ya know...making the game itself stuff.)
Agreed. Have you seen Chainfall? That map is insane!
Yeah I covered it in a recent news video :)
Infinite: Spare change?
Eldewrito: *Laughs in higher player count*
I have feeling that one of the reasons it takes so long for forge maps to enter rotation is because of optimization. 343 has to make sure that maps run well enough on lower end pcs/last gen consoles, and these Spearsoft maps are very low detail and require far less object optimization and frame rate checks which, in turn, allows them to pump the maps out faster. Something like the Headlong remake probably takes way more time to make sure it's a playable experience for everyone.
I think there 2 or 3 17 year olds making them getting paid in Playstation points.
It’s time to stop catering to the old gen
Sperasoft has worked on a few of the Faber-made maps added to Infinite post-launch, including those Mint Blitz has praised, for example Forest. They clearly have a lot of passion for Halo and the sudden lack of polish for corrosion and to some extent elevation might be due to the overall difficult times infinite is facing
Mongeese is the plural form of Mongoose, not Mongooses.
Mongai
Flock of Mongoosen
@@MintBlitz i like mongeese😆
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FORGERS👏SHOULD👏BE👏PAID👏!!!
Stop being ridiculous
@@ericpalahniuk6013it’s not like 343 industries would even have money to pay them considering the game is dead
Forgers need a new hobby instead of supporting corporate greed.
The community has passion and put effort into it then there’s this
gotta love when 343 uses the community to make a game instead of actually developing it
I blame the community 100%
@@AlwayzFresh I put 50% of the blame on the community and 50% of the blame on 343. The community for constantly accepting mediocrity when it comes to Infinite, and 343 for not even trying to make the game better.
Personally I'm ok with that. As long as they create playlists to show off these maps.
Super Mario Maker, Dreams, Little Big Planet, Minecraft, etc. There's a ton of games that give tools to players to make endless content well after the developer has stopped working on content.
I think what we should be demanding, instead of 343 made maps, our additions to the sandbox with new equipment and weapons. Maybe even vehicles.
@nrXic 100% this. I'd take any decently polished Forge made map from a passionate forger over a majority of the vanilla maps 343 launched with. But maybe it was the year drought waiting for forge that made those maps a bore.
Like is that Banished double barrel just not coming out? lol
I personally don't care about aesthetic that much as long as the map plays well... Is it fun and does it function.
If we lose our way with halo...well you know the rest...
I never liked how elevation played and I thought it was just me not knowing the map. But yeah the spawn points being broken really hinders the amount of fun you can have. No wonder I didn't like playing it
343 needs to add community forge maps in. Regardless of the “readiness”
I love playing the community playlists that are featured once in a blue moon
I had this map in super fiesta and the enemy team had a tank
Bro Uneeq has like 20 maps that 344 could put into matchmaking
343 just can’t stop losing. It’s like they’re addicted to it.
I loved their Elevation forge map. Elevation is my favorite map in Infinite currently.
Great feedback Mintz 👍
Thanks for the vid Mint. You bring up some interesting points about the new map. I haven't noticed the spawn point problems but your gameplay footage illustrates your point.
When teams are uneven, the ghost spawn trap is pure evil.
This perfectly explains why my elevation CTF experience is terrible. If enemy team spawns pelican and you try to push to grab flag they just spawn on top of you and immediately have an opportunity to stop you from running with it. At least with the other side’s building spawn you have way more pathways to go and find cover.
I kind of wanna see corrosion, but in a flood aesthetic
Kinda like the mission Keyes? I planned on making something in that theme, the green water pools would be a good change from the broken toxic goo anyways
I've gone back to Halo 2/Halo 3 on MCC and have really been enjoying it.
Community is the devs at this point
Totally agree all the time Mint you have the best halo content
The map needs prettying up real bad
I’d like to see them add a death affect akin to when you get vaporized by the forerunner weapons when you die from the acid
Keep in mind that this company also helped development for Skull and Bones, COD MW3, and Assassin's Creed Mirage. Not sure if I can say they have a steady background.
I love the LAYOUT of corrosion. It’s a very fun FEELING map. Sucks it’s incomplete 😂
It's funny how the map with the spiky rocks and the corrosive liquid that damages you. Looks (visually) how i made my custom campaign "corrosion" a few month ago. Funny
The first thing I noticed on one of my first games in Corrosion was spawning right beside a Ghost driven by the other team while on our side (I was killed). So just to be clear, it looks like there is potential for spawns to be both a serious advantage or disadvantage depending on the other team's position.
Looks like nickelodeon slime 😂
Very enlightening for someone who hasn't played much since release. Wake me... when there are more BTB maps. I would say wake me when there is second less suck Banshee or a full blown shielded vehicle system like in Halo 2, but I know that won't be coming from 343 if at all.
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Pizza time
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This is hysterical - PAID Devs doing a WORSE job than actual fans - that explains how 343 have dragged the Halo franchise into the mud...
When I first noticed the spawns don't flip or rotate I was playing CTF, pushed in their base killed 3 players and hide in the back of their base. I then found out they just spawned their again and wiped me out.
So much potential with the concept of the community forging maps (& being financially compensated) ... But it's impossible for anything to get off the ground when the fundamentals are shattered. (343)
My take: We need a complete rebirth, building on the best of Halo 2/3's gameplay/aesthetic, on the latest Unreal Engine ... Halo deserves a ROCK SOLID foundation, so that all of the detailed ideas (such as forge) can THRIVE
The fact that an external company is getting paid for far inferior work over top of better quality maps made by forgers for FREE is just sad. Either pay your forgers for better quality content in matchmaking on don't publish maps made by external companies until they meet the minimum level requirements at least!
I like having vehicles in arena and larger 4v4 maps to allow them, plus the 'gimmicks' that have been in recent maps like acid, low g and the avcam corridor are cool; but with vehicles on corrosion specifically it feels like the geometry of the ground with little rocks and things there for decoration is off, driving the ghost and mongooses on it feels like driving with no suspension on gravel, its jumping around and getting stuck on the tiniest little pieces of terrain. Might also be related to the new networking model but it feels especially prominent on this new map
Holy cow! The last time a new map was released, I said they stopped putting thought into map design and instead just slap some gimmicky section in the map and pretend like it makes up for the lack of map design. Looks like that trend is still ongoing.
I really like the way corrosion plays way more than the other forger made maps I've played. But all your points are still valid obviously. Pay the forgers and give them the tools.
Now i know this is off topic, but what i wanna know is there anyway gou could bring up crosscore helmet attachments? It would be cool to have cat ears on all helmets, or the reach attachments on the mk4 helmets, ect ect.
Ofc not all will work, but would be nice.
This is what happens when you hire people who don’t care or play halo to make maps/armor. This has to end.
At this point... retire Halo from 343 and make it public domain.
In my opinion I like Corrosion it is compact and the acid is a fun level hazard however they do need to fix some of the spawn issues. Also the acid is a bit tacky looking but they can update the texture to fix it otherwise I give it a 8/10.
I think that 343 should give a select few (maybe 20 or 30) forgers the dev tools for maps and give them some sort of salary. Maybe that 100 dollars per 1000 plays of a map or something but just a form of reward. We could have some cool maps and have compensated forgers as well. Microsoft probably wouldn’t let them though.
Great video as always and as a forger myself, I can't help but agree with all your points here.
Maybe I can use my cinematography skills to flavor up the lighting of some of these maps 😅.
But seriously, lighting makes a huge difference in not just appearance. It can drive strategy, 343….
When i saw The Bad chapter being longer than the good, I knew this was going to interesting
The fact that people are getting paid for this stuff is both sad and hilarious, especially when the community makes way better maps for free.
4:42 this map is amazing 😍
ooo snap. which map is this?? looks super dope!
As a forger, it’s an absolute slap in the face to know these people get payed and push out what they do.
Off topic but has anyone been able to get the “ rendezvous” map in FireFight recently? 😅 played for 2 hours yesterday and I kept getting the old firefight maps. Didn’t get rendezvous once, the rotation seems very unlucky for me.
Let them update the shop first!
Wish they hired some people to finish up the rest of the unfinished content. Now we have to wait until halo 7.
That game is gonna suck too because 343 is incompetent
@@HoodRed69 yeah, hopefully there isn't god awful leadership and an engine that doesn't work.
@@HoodRed69 I mean not really. Halo 4 launched with all content day 1, Halo 5 only had forge delayed for 3 weeks and that's because of their launch deadline given to them by Microsoft. MCC was their first big misstep but the reality is, making it the MCC instead of H2A alone was Microsofts idea, and they forced 343 to do it last minute, I don't know a single person who expected MCC to launch properly. Halo Infinite was the first genuine launch where you could call 343 not just incompetent, but GROSSLY incompetent.
I'm hopeful for the next entry with new management and not having to clean up the garbage (Infinite) of the old management.
@@megaman37456 Absolutely not there's a reason why most of the fanbase have up and left. Even in 4 and 5 it lacked the proper artstyle,lacked the soul of the older games, they try to change everything to separate themselves from Bungie which led to them retconning mistake after mistake. Its been about 12 years now under their management, if this were any other job they would have been fired a long time ago. And to have the audacity to say it's not their fault after firing all the lead management and still be making mistakes to this day only relying on hype to keep hope alive. But ultimately it ends in more of the same incompetency. If you actually believe things are going to get better with them in charge, you're either a bot or paid to shill or special.
good luck getting people to play halo 7 if you've completely abandoned the previous installment and shattered the community into bits lol
pay the forgers
I wonder why 343i is like this, months to add a single helmet attatchment, functional weapons leaked, vehicles as well, but they release those years after, i want to think it is the Slipspace Engine that are slowing they down
Mint, lately I’ve been finding myself in so many squad battle games where almost half the team leaves. I feel like this is a big problem because the matches aren’t fair anymore and it’s taking the fun out of the game. This could easily be fixed if there was a penalty for leaving games early. I understand some people have connection issues but there has to be a way to fix people just quitting games.
I actually like elevation and think it has a nice aesthetic but corrosion sadly was leaked back in November I think and it looks like they did a whole lot of nothing to update it since then lmao
This is a slap in the face to forge creators. They need to pay the people who are upholding this game lol, just shows this big corporations can talk the talk & get away with not walking the walk.
0:06 the(whoo) killed me 😂😂😂
Considering that the forge maps look pretty solid overall I gotta say these ones definitely look like “they were obviously made in forge” they did the bare minimum a map layout and called it a day
I like this way it plays actually. Maybe not the prettiest, but still fun
I like Elevation, but they should make more dev maps for Infinite.
Corrosion looks like a Halo 5 forge map
Okay that would be cool if forgers made a doom campain in infinite
I like the gungoose play on this map, most other maps maybe you'll get a chance to ride one, this one if you want one you can get one. They are not as OP as Mint has said in his previous video, instead I feel they are actually viable now, where previously it felt like a non-viable gimmick. That said it does feel a bit OP. But it is more balanced now than before.
I think it really comes down to being OP in the hands of a top player, whereas low-skilled players won't be able to take advantage of it. Similarly OP players can blow them up without too much trouble by grabbing weapons that are good at that, whereas low-skilled teams will ignore or avoid vehicles so they end up dominating.
Other than that most of the matches I had on the new map were pretty bad. I think it was just the matchmaker giving me bad, unbalanced matches though. I like the flow of the map itself, though as stated it could use another art pass. It is a bit embarrassing to be killed by Gak after all.
Personally, I like the lower map quality. It feels fun, and reminiscent of Halo CE. The pretty, aesthetic maps are great too but I like the older style
Someone getting paid to make Corrosion is absolutely ridiculous. Couldn't play more than 3 games on it as my team and I kept getting spawn killed endlessly. I literally spawned on the same exact point multiple times and the dude didn't have to move his crosshair at all. Would love to try infection on it but that's about it.
I just don't understand why they don't just make a Forge group where you get paid to make maps. So for example, you have 4 groups make maps, but if say only maps from groups 2 and 4 end up being selected, so groups 1 and 3 get (just for example purposes) $1,000 to split amongst those in the group to compensate for their time, while groups 2 and 4 might get $10k each to split between themselves (again, this is just an example number, as I don't know how much groups like SperASoft are being paid).
This way you drastically increase the quality and performance of the maps, and people now have a means of making money.
ONE YEAR to get a BTB map into matchmaking?! That sounds like a 343 red tape issue, not a technical limitation.
The Corrosion map look like it made on OG XBOX, they don't touch up the details and textures.
Although I agree with most of the things in the video. I really don't know if all the community forge maps are tested on all platforms (including Xbox One). Maybe spearsoft go "aesthetically" basic for the sake of the frame rates on the Xbox One imo
Played this map once. I had to laugh at the trash bags in the pipes, the puddles of acid that have square edges, the crashed warthog dirt pile that looks like it’s play dough. 343 is not testing the maps or finishing them
i don't know about all those points mentioned but I've never been enjoying a new map like Corrosion since launch !!!!
The new grindable currency just feels like a spit in the face in my opinion
This has been my main complaint with the game ever since forge launched. 343 has absolutely dropped the ball in terms of curating community content into matchmaking. We needed someone like you to bring focus onto this problem BADLY!
New community creations playlist when? There hasn't been enough.
The maps look like the early squad battle maps overall imo. Decent but they could be better
This is what corporate greed and cutting corners looks like. Its sad.
Thank you so much for calling this out.
Halo infinite multiplayer feels like a fan made game rather then something made by a studio. Meanwhile fans are making halo games that feels like they're made by the studio.
If they pay Spearsoft for this quality, they must pay the forgers for their work
The fact the community is more willing to do stuff for this game then the developers and Microsoft itself is actually quite sad
just give the studio to the forgers too!
This is something that I’ve thought about too.
Forge maps should be updated over time to become more refined because there are some amazing standout Forge Maps in this game but these ones are almost amateur in comparison. The fact that they’re commissioned is even more of a slap in the face to the Forge community who put out higher quality maps.
Why would acid damage energy shields? That makes no sense. It would be more interesting and realistic if the acid was fine to walk in UNLESS your shields were down, and then it kills you.
Remember that vendor tools require vendor experience. You cannot take YE and Gadot sandbox designers and expect them to git gud overnight on forge AND I've never heard of a business hiring Forge designers AS Forge designers.
Honestly 343ForgeLord would be pissing himself laughing at the circumstances (not that he can admit it).
It's like Quake 2 and other great games from the past. Expansions being made by B teams and side companies do not make great products, they just make okay products to milk the IP.
God I miss dev made maps
Yeah it’s bs how this company is doing a piss poor job and is being paid for it while forgers put all their heart into making maps but don’t get a single penny for their work. 🤦🏻♂️
man they really made the best Halo singleplayer campaign and then never released more content for it
Lmao I made it to Mint’s background montage