New £22,000 VW ID.2: the small electric car we've been waiting for?
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Volkswagen has signalled its intent to be a dominant force in the sub-£22,000 electric car market with the unveiling of a new ID. 2all concept car. Destined for production in 2025, the new model is one of 10 all-new electric cars scheduled to launch by 2026, and is likely to be a big seller if the brand is able to bring it to market at its projected price.
Unveiled at a special launch event in Hannover, Germany, the ID. 2all is expected to be called simply ID.2 when it arrives in 2025. It will be based on a new, smaller version of the Volkswagen Group’s MEB platform - a universal set of underpinnings onto which any number of body shapes can be built. The smaller MEB platform (officially called MEB Entry) will be used across the Volkswagen Group, with Škoda and Cupra set to introduce their own versions of the ID.2 shortly after the VW-badged model arrives.
But will this be the car to open electric driving to the masses? Join Tom and Tomi as they take a closer look at VW's new baby. Which one do you agree with? Is the new ID.2 a great design, or has Volkswagen taken a backward step? Let us know in the comments below.
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I'm with team Tommy on this one. Not everyone wants to drive around in a design statement. VW are playing it safe to go for mass appeal IMHO.
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Still hope they release the id 1 as the new type 1! 😊
Non designers will view current Ev design as trash. Like when car manufacturers discovered how to use plastic In the 1980s, we’re currently seeing crap design as the new generation of designers over design in their dream design jobs. The id.2 seems to have overcome over-design and is almost perfect.
@@davidorama6690 I think that's a bit of a generalisation. If you look at the Porsche Taycan (all variants), Honda e, Morris J E (commercial van concept), Jaguar I Pace, MG roadster concept, Lotus Eletra and Hyundai Ioniq 5. All are bold and in my opinion well executed designs. The majority of EVs though lack appeal.
I wonder to keep it safe for the luddites they will put a clutch in there too ;-)
As a 'VW Fan-boy', I was terribly distressed with the ID 3 & 4/5 offerings. The window buttons, the very cheap (unlike VW) interior quality. There was nothing to make me feel I wanted any of them! But, the ID 2ALL concept is finally looking like what a VW EV should look like! I especially love the retro dash design making it look like my old MK1 Golf GTi! Mr. VW, please keep the costs down and make it a true VW (a true people's car)!
This is exactly what I feel like as well, very well said! Don't want the ID3 or 4. I'm gonna wait until the ID2 releases
Yep, cannot agree more. Reserved and test-drove VW ID4 and was way underwhelmed. Design (blah), interior fit & finish, power, even value (price for what you get) were all acceptable but subpar, and certainly not exciting. This and to a lesser extend ID7 are a big step forward in the right direction.
That's what it reminded me of; a Golf GTi!
Yes! this has VW DNA. ID offerings to date are dull and lacking "VW-ness" The presenters kind of threw the design under the bus, but I disagree, it is a nicely honed design that is all VW. Not everything has to be a reinvention! the basics of packaging is outstanding for an everyday "people's car". We need affordable everyday electrics. If they can bring it for the price targeted, this will be a winner!
Don’t get hopes up too high, there’s still time to screw things up 😂
This car has restored my faith in VW. I was going to update my Golf 7 to the 8 but was appalled by the lack of physical controls for climate and volume. The ID3 did not appeal either, because it looks nothing like a VW inside or out. But this new ID2 is a return to form. It has the classic aesthetic feel of a Polo, and the tech of a 21st century car. It’s great to see VW back on track.
This is what will save VW. Simple looking well built and reasonably priced.
Exactly what they need to do to capture the market and move forwards.
Agree
I don't think they ever lost the market.
No, they didn't, but if they continued with the disastrous OS they would. The facelifted ID3 should have fixed all the stupidity but didn't. must wait for another facelift to fix all the wrongs. the clock is ticking vs the competition@@pato10111
I really like this. If the simple looks help keep the price low then I'm all for it. Plus what really matters is the interior and this looks a lot better than the interior on the first gen ID3's
They won't sell it at £22k in the UK. It is bound to end up at £25k. Having said that I genuinely think they will not be able to make enough of them. This will sell like crazy.
Hotcakes. Won’t be able to keep up with demand
25k for a short range entry model and 29k for the top model
Well I wont be buying one looks awful and will just be a cheap town car with no motorway range.
@@luindarkgom 35K with some extras and the 25K version cannot/will not be delivered the first two years...
Just what's needed- an EV aimed at Joe Public, not just at volt-heads. This should sell in huge numbers.
I wish you were true🫣
lol @ Volt Heads. You're right. Also, not everyone wants to RACE up and down the street either. A concept a lot of Volt heads love to push on RUclips.
It’s fairly obvious this will replace the Polo.
Yes it’s a safe design but there’s no doubt it will appeal to the masses
Of course not. VW is pulling a fast one on us. Only the 54kWh battery will reach 450km. The 25000 Euro car will have a 38kWh battery with a range of 300km. The charging speed mentioned also refers to the 38kWh battery. There goes your witchcraft.
Correct, I'll hold my horses until the final specs are released, but even if this does only 100 miles on a charge and has 100hp it will appeal to a much bigger population than an ID3 or Tesla 3. Simply because it is now a choice of: Spending 25k on an ICE car, or 25k on an EV.
There's a reason MG is everywhere - they're affordable.
Personally, I love the design. There's a saying that you have to know your audience. VW knows that it's customer base for a car like this is coming from the Golf. If it comes in at the promised price, it'll be a huge hit.
Size of a Polo but interior as big as a golf. Brilliant!
Its the perfect car for VW. It doesn't need to be exciting, it just needs to get you around in a good quality car. Let Cupra do the excitement. EVs don't need to scream that they are one. Its perfect for people that want a normal car that is also electric. Also they really got something with the story about going back to being the peoples car.
I actually like the design, not everyone wants funky retro angled cars.
I am happy with the styling. As for the battery, surely the 'car' is sitting on top of the MEB platform. They have used clever thinking to utilise the wasted space under the back seat.
MEB Plus platform...
And I agree with you
Just glad it looks like a car! and not some weird looking futuristic space vehicle.
I’m in love with this car. I’ve been keeping an eye on the EV market and cannot fathom dropping 60k on one. This could be exactly what’s needed for the average wage earner. After owning 2 mk6 golf’s and my current mk7 I feel this would be the perfect replacement/upgrade for me. However, not sure we will get them In Australian. Still waiting on ID models here!!!!
Oh……….and the final design needs to be exactly as shown, 20” alloys 👍
As a current polo owner, I really like this. I’m all for going electric but I don’t need a big crossover or suv. Smaller hatchbacks are still wanted. I drive to work and to see family and friends. I don’t need a boat load of space and weight. Looks smart
I will prefer to have a good and comfortable interior design to a fancy exterior. The combination of the two is always welcome.
This could be the one. Same outside size as the mark 1 golf and same inside size as the mark 7 or 8. What’s not to love?
Make a hot hatch and put the dials into mark 1 golf mode and life will be great!
There is just that in the GTi Concept
Great review 👍
If all that space and features/spec make it to production for that price I'd buy it in a heart beat.
I like it! The looks are simple and appealing. I hope they're able to deliver on the suggested specs. Witchcraft notwithstanding.
I think this design is beautifully made. It has all I want in a car (and from reading the comments on many videos, what everyone wants!) It's a friendly-looking car, it has defined fenders, and it has everything you will need! In fact, that's how I fell in love with The Beetle A5, friendly face, defined wheel fenders, useful, and fun. This NEEDS to arrive to the United States. I can't wait to see this vehicle in person!
Its simple, elegant, slightly purposeful it is a proper VW : a car that will look at home anywhere. Plus the Golf has managed to be a huge sales success for 45 years it is such a great shape to begin with.
This I will buy. If they bring it to the US. Volkswagen needs an entry-level car here.
I bet you a dollar that they won’t. We get nothing but shit here
If it comes looking like that, and has all that space as well, I would have one tomorrow. I suspect that once it is in production, it will suffer with very limited storage though.
Love it. Would buy it now without hesitation!
I like it , some lessons have been learned and the price is sensible.
The main thing we have to think about with this car is the price. It's trying to be the most affordable EV on the market. And if 23,000 EU is the target price, two-years from now, the looks are going to have to be...simple. Bold does not come cheap.
That storage is amazing for such a small car. First non Tesla that really has taken advantage of underfloor storage, I love the under the back seat storage.
Perhaps a good argument for more front wheel cars in future.
Being a person who can't change the car every year, I like a design that can stand the test of time versus a design that looks cool for 3 months and then I feel is too much/old already because the new thing comes up. In addition, I typically focus on the interior: at the end, it is where the driver spends the majority of the time! So ... team Tommy for me
At last, it’s not an SUV costing £80k. It could only be a VW, which works, and it will sell like hot cakes. Want one.
Looks great inside and out.
I love it. Just what I need, but sadly too long a wait
Boring looks are fine for me if the car's specification (space/ range etc) are good. It even has a rear wiper which scores points for me over some EVs.
If the battery is under the floor I'd be a bit worried that rear passenger comfort would be compromised by a floor that's too high (as seems the case with some non-SUV EVs) so would it be good to see how the concept gets turned into reality.
He's wondering where the battery is gonna go? Has he never seen the MEB platform before? It's underneath the floor! You know, like 95% of all EVs these days.
Ye, i was a little confused by his comment about that too :/
Looks fine to me. Need to replace my partners Fiesta at some point, this could be the one to convince her to go EV.
For clarification, I do not like the ID3 at all, and never owned a VW in 50 years of driving, but this one looks good.
Have a look at the MG4, same price but way better.
@@purestdj Why better. I wouldn't know how yet? But the MG looks very nice but lacks a rear wiper that you absolutely do not want and unfortunately that's why I will never buy one. Greetings from a rainy Netherlands.🌷
@@ariedijker2911 I’ve not heard any complaints on the MG4 forums about the rear wiper from the UK…which is known to have a little drizzle. You are right that I don’t know what the ID.2will really be like but judging by their attempts with the 3 and 4 it doesn’t look good enough.
@@purestdj My wife drives a Golf convertible and still misses the windshield wiper. Her 1st car was a Fiat 127, also without a wiper. She was warned, but women. There is no car design that keeps a rear window dry. There are proud car owners who take inconveniences for granted in the beginning. Once again the MG4 is a very elegant and sporty looking car that should drive well. We will definitely take a look and that is the biggest problem, there is no MG garage near where we live. The Polo, T-Cross, T-Roc and the latest Golf also have a cheap-looking interior. Are you an MG4 or an electric car driver? Now I'm going to watch What Car from 1 hour ago, you'll never believe what it's about.🌷
@@ariedijker2911 I drive an MG5, which we have had for just over a year and a half…it isn’t anywhere near as nice as an MG4 but we got a great deal on it and need a car big enough to camp with! It does have a wiper though lols 😂
I drove the '91 Golf (Mk3?) when I was back in the military and I loved it. It was powered by the 1.9 D engine and I felt so comfortable by the way it drove. It was lovely car, except during the cold winter days, because it would take a good time to warm up and get into the competence it should have from its 68-ish BHP.
Can't deny, its clearly a smoothed out Polo, but I think it'll be really popular, especially at the proposed price. As far as the probable battery size, given the low stance and with all that storage space, I think they've prioritised fast charging over total range capacity
Definitely with Tommy,it’s understated and a Stunning looking car
If this goes on sale in the UK @£22k I'll eat my hat. Heard it all before, speculation about affordable EV's but goes out the window as soon as the official in country launch is announced. If the likes of MG, Fiat, Honda etc can not sell at this price point, how can VW??
I wouldn't be surprised if they got close to that price point.
Fiat and Honda are both not volume manufacturers in the EV market (and given the lowish range of their two cars most would argue they are compliance cars rather than serious attempts to enter the EV market), MG are probably hampered by taxes levied on Chinese products the 64 kWh MG4 costs $19k in China (cnevpost.com/2022/09/14/saic-launches-mg-mulan-in-china/) which is about £15k.
So clearly if you are a volume player it's possible to produce cheap EVs
I quite like the looks. Like that the rear window looks deep enough to see out of using a normal mirror. Like the buttons. Really hope the range actually turns out to be 450 km at least.
I love it personally, I thought the event was fantastic too, nice to see all the historical achievements back on stage again.
An interesting point was made what will this car look like in its base trim. What will it look like in the most common options purchased?
I like it a lot! Just because it’s an older design doesn’t make that a bad thing. Classic design language, without frippery, will always wear well. To me, this is not about being “retro”, it’s about purely of design. I want something small like this. Here’s hoping it makes it across the pond to Canada.
Style is great, mind you my first car was a MK1 Golf. Great for 2nd car, local journeys and dog/shopping space. Won't go for it if there is a subscription model though.
The ID.2 is using the MEB platform so the battery will sit under the floor between the front and rear wheels. The under rear seat storage sits on top of the floor.
I was thinking it odd that he couldn’t figure this out 😂
It’s a pretty common location for an EV battery.
Looks decent and will be excellent if they achieve their goals on pricing and range.
As an older driver wishing to have a car that does the basics of getting from a to b with the minimum of fuss, this car looks really interesting. Yes we already own a golf, have had a golf in the past and a polo, apart from a succession of VW caravanettes. We are also looking at the MG4 and wonder whether we can wait to 2025 to change up from our Smart 4/4 ev which does a mere 90 miles total. Great for mooching around this end of Cornwall, but a trip to Birmingham would be seriously problematic. Thanks for your thoughts.
Possibly the best electric so far. Size, power and price all spot on
The box below the rear seats looks like it's above the floor, so I suspect the batteries are below that box, and forward of the bathtub below the boot floor
On the face of it, VW are starting to wake up, if a little late. But like most have mentioned, the price and main features need to be pinned down for future buyers, that need to know what is coming, before they buy others.
This (on paper anyway) looks like an improvement on the ID3, some of the ill-advised cost cutting in the interior appears to have been addressed
wow that looks damn good, and here i thought I wanted an ID3. sadly we'll never get either one in the States. 😞
The exterior design is fine, it won't set the world on fire but the fact that this interior looks much better than the I.D.3 surprised me a lot!
I agree that the exterior is very conservative (my first thought was a slightly updated Polo) but I like no-nonsense design with clean and minimalistic lines so I definitely prefer this to an ID.3 for example. Price seems fair too but if they're going to screw us in the long run with some subscription scheme in order to get basic features and updates my interest will instantly drop to zero.
Same here. Subscriptions ruin the owner experience.
Just bought an e-golf for the wait time for this car. This is the car/desing what serves a purpose. And if the interior quality stays as high as in this consep, oh my. I'll pre order as soon as possible :)
The outside of the ID.2all looks greate! a real head turner...but i hope they put some more energy on the interior before the release. The screens not beeing integrated just feels like an after thought.
Great video and good insights.
I love the idea of this car, a small capable electric car would be amazing as a 2nd car, only would be nice to get a 4 wheel drive edition of the same car such as R-Series Golf etc.
Only bad thing about the editing here is that the background people noise is distractingly loud, pretty easy to remove nowadays so i would take a look at that 👌🏻
They'll put a couple of sharp edges on it and keep it simple. Looks not unpleasant outside and very nice inside. At the price of a mid range Fiesta, this'll be a VAG saver car
I love the styling far better than the ID3.
Front wheel drive will better harvest regen, and that cavity under the boot begs to be filled with a range extender. That would be game changer.
The battery is still under the floor too. The space under the back seat is above the battery surely?
Depends on the charge capacity and millage you can get, this might be the perfect EV. small and compact but comfy interior, and perfectly designed! physical buttons?! in 2023?!. love it
Personal worry, they say it will be 25k euro, which is around 100k nis, before taxes (which are high in Israel), that means we are looking at a 140-150k nis EV, around the price range of a Korean compact SUV. which a lot of people prefer. I worry how well we'll receive it here
They tell you range in the video (281 miles) and give you an indicative charging time for 10 - 80%
I assume price is for the smaller battery pack but range figures for the larger one so crafty from vw
I like it a lot, agree with Tommy. And I'd disagree that the ID.3 is a nice design... I don't think you can overlook the proportions are a huge improvement over the likes of a Leaf, ID.3 & MG4 etc
If the price, range, packaging, power and space is as stated, that'll be a game-changer. And physical buttons too - rejoice. Shame we have to wait 2 years for it.
At least you're getting it, us in the US can kick rocks I guess :(
I love it. It looks like a Mk6/Mk7 GTi. And because they hid the rear door handle it looks good. The best Golfs are the 2drs...
If it has a tiny battery, of course the 10-80% charging time will be quick! Looking forward to this in the showrooms, it looks just fine to me
and a tiny range :)
The Kers is more efficient and safer on FWD. Also frees up so much room. Can’t wait to see one in real life. Really pleased with our id.3. Id.2 battery will be floor mounted.
The mk1 golf dashboard is a fantastic idea. A kind of a time machine. 🙂
Mindblowing,gamechanging!
100% agree this looks like a late 90s concept car they didn’t make…feels like the new design bosses brief was make the design safe again this looks retro 90s polo with a modern interior
I agree that it isn't bold and looks like a polo with a few tweaks but that's fine.
Will wait for the release / real world look / figures but it is exciting to see!
Looking forward to seeing this one as does feel great for the UK market, price seems great (may look at the Cupra version of it myself).
I absolutely love it. The problem is...I'm Canadian, and it sounds like we won't be getting this here. Actually, likely we'll get a CUV with a larger pricetag, heavier weight and taller ride height; all 3 of which would suck. I was a throwback to a mk2 or mk3 Golf-sized car.
I think this will be a winner for VW, at last an smaller EV at a sensible price !!! Not everyone wants an over styled and overpriced electric beast ! I live in the country, and an waiting for an affordable small EV runabout with a decent range as charge points are not found in hedge rows :-) Well done VW, can't wait to see it in the showroom.
Guessing neither of you saw the skateboard platform that VW issued to the press showing how it would look and it was clear it had the space to put that large storage in the back they show, yes no frunk but it's made up for by the other storage and the under seat storage is fantastic for the backseat. I like it though the sooner it can get to production the better. Suspect zero towing capability though and unsure on roof box or not. For that charging speed suspect it's an 800V system.
Lovely little car, but sadly, we will never see it here in Canada, where VW has decided not to sell the ID3 because "it's too small'. Not everybody wants a big, slow SUV.
I love it. I had 3 Golf 2s, and I like this as much. I hope the screens will be OLED, and we can get rid of the colour gradients in the background and replace them with black. The retro Golf graphics would then be stunning. I will continue with my current Polo until this launches, and it is on my list of my first EV.
I like the design. It’s clean and simple, elegantly rounded. Admittedly, I think the big wheels help.
I think they do not know the MEB platform. The battery was never bulked under the rear seats, like in other platforms.
I do like it, but like you say it looks like an electric Polo to me (which is probably what it is!) I agree on the battery, seems a little strange, however it could be that they're working with someone like BYD for the batteries as those blade one are a lot thinner so they could be packing more in the same space potentially.........
Love it! Hope it can tow 750kg! The storage under the back seat is kind of odd... as someone who has kids we got two kids seats back there. And I am not taking them off to get to a storage under the seat. Maybe the back seat should split so you could open half of it if there is one kids seat?
It is so freaking cool, this is what we want 🎉❤
QuantumScape solid state batteries?
I like the price - current EVs are too expensive, but will it still be around £22k in two years time? Not sure I like the look of the centre console. The id.3 feels different because it minimized that and lost the diff tunnel. However, as the presenters said, there's usually a big difference between the concept car and the production model.
Let’s hope they don’t do a Ora Cat who said would be £25k but ended up £32k
I would bet my mortgage that the spec in the video is mid 30k
This is a huge improvement on the other ID models, although I still waiting for a new e-Up! style ID1
I can see the thinking behind this. You have the VW Golf & Polo and then you had the e-Up (and the Citigo). This is so of a bridge between the e-Up and the ID range.
Exactly what I have always said, make the existing cars but with electric motor (obviously with technical limitations due to aerodynamics etc.), job done!
Looks like a Golf, which is no bad thing. Decent range, lovely interior and proper buttons - WV have listened to their customers !!
Undercuts the MG4 price wise too.
Just do the decent thing and go ahead with production please !
I'm smitten with this thing. Own a MKV GTI and aircooled Beetle, and this is exactly what is needed to resolve the issues with the ID lineup.
My dad drove a bmw my hole life, still when i got my first car (a seat leon) i couldnt help but fall in love with the vw brand. Everytime i let my friends drive it they are amazed by how good it drives. This looks a return to form for vw. A sleeper car that can outdrive cars way beyond its pricerange.
I think it will sell well. Remember the bulk of buyers are from the 80' and 90's and want vehicles they can relate to. The space age shapes go with the puppeteer kids TV shows and on xbox. Most of them can't afford a car yet.
Will it come to the US?
something tells me that power and range won't be the base model ....or u can unlock that for a subscription
While I am not any longer a fan of Volkswagen cars, I think I like this - for its subtle design, which is much easier on the eyes than those aggressively styled beasts from the competition.
Am really excited to see how this id2 will release, with the high specs, biggest battery the range will be amazing.
Looking to reduce my car size from a niro ev to something smaller, i really look for the redesign of the cupra born and the id3..But also aiming at a longer range (since this release in 2025) for this id2 !
Design is a vast improvement over the ID3…especially like to wheels being at the extremes of the front/back.
I love it. Clean, easy on the eye. I don’t want interesting, I want another flavor of classic golf/polo that we’ve all grown up with.
Good quick concise preview with the relevant facts and no waffle
No worries about the interior and exterior design. The tech and power is where VW needs to prove themselves.
This will be my first car. If VW keeps the price in the ballpark of what they claimed, this car is comming home the moment it is available!
This is my perfect car, not fancy, get me from a to b without burning oil and fits the family
I think VW did the right thing with this car. One of the major push backs from more conservative motorists has been that EV are too futuristic and to expensive. I think this tackles both challenges very cleverly. As far as your comments about the battery and range etc. They will probably do what other EV manufactures do, have different models targeted at different specs. IE, a range model that has a bigger battery, but also a town version with smaller battery but more boot space etc. I like the fact that they have buttons, and stalks. That is major bug bear for me.