I love the direction this channel is taking with its video editing XD Honestly, I've loved these short battle reports from the get go. Keep up the good work!
Great report for this game and the others in this tournament. Thanks. Tweaking close order and adding some combat res for outnumbering would be okay, but it won't fix the issue with dragons. The core problem is the way the character and dragon's wounds combine, and then every one of those wounds can rely on the armour, ward and regen bought for the character. Those items are priced for 3 or 4 wound characters, placing them on a 10 wound dragon mounted character makes them obscenely tough. The fix is to return to tracking wounds for the character and monstrous mount separately, like it was back in 6th edition. Shooting hits randomised 1-4 hitting the mount, 5-6 character. In melee you can declare where your attacks are targeted. If the mount dies the character fights on, on foot. If the character dies the mount fights on. This would mean a dragon would only be protected by its 4+ armour, with no ward or regen. Much more practical to get through those 6 wounds. A character might still have his ward and regen, but it would only be for hits directly on him, and will still very tough inflicting 3 or 4 wounds would be achievable. A character on a flying mount would still have excellent damage output and be very mobile, but they'd no longer be so obscenely tough.
While i agree with the intent behind your line of reasoning, i'm afraid if they were to implement the change a you are suggesting nobody would be playing a dragon anymore. 280 points for a large target with T6, sure, but only 4+ save? Cannons and poisoned attacks would make short work of that, just like it was in 8th. I dont know of it would solve the problem, but i would consider lowering the AC of the dragon to, say, 4 and its Wounds to 8. It Is a fine line, still.
they fixed this in aos already by getting rid of toughness so you can expand wound counts and don't need 4 layers of saving throws that make things functionally invulnerable.
I totally agree , the combining of profiles was a huge mistake , this stuffed up the magic items , giving the dragon a ward and regen was not a good idea , I really hope they fix it.
@@filippogaliero8796 with less dragons the meta would shift to have less cannons. And a character mounted on a dragon would still have tremendous damage potential and mobility. It just wouldn't be the most powerful, most mobile and toughest unit in the game.
Close game for a draw; hard fought. Chaos is hard as nails! It was a good strategy overall for both sides to go for point denial. Both armies had good resources to counter the opponent. It cannot be debated, big monsters are back.🐉
@@CreakyGamers Greeenskin players are rarely the try-hard power gamers. Be proud of your list composition and its look. I am currently building/painting a Chaos army and I refuse to have a dragon. Honestly, Chaos is already an elite übermensch army. The tooled-up dragon players need to get a girlfriend!😆
Fantastic batrep! I love that the chaos Dragon was one of the few painted things in the enemy army, man has his priorities straight lol The Arcane Urgency on the Dragon was absolutely filthy, but then he didn't really do anything for most of the game? He almost got pushed off the table (as someone with a Dragon of their own I am never putting them near the table edge holy fuck) and spent multiple turns trying to get into combat with something worthwhile while being whittled down. You did a really good job of playing keep away to stop him getting his points back though he made it into the black orcs in the final turn. Great hard-fought batrep, love getting to see the Great Keef hard at work! Looking forward to the next one!
Nerf the pegs and dragons get even worse, nerf the dragons and warmachines get too good and so on. I belive that a compsystem might be better. Even though I do not like comp, I think that the tow rules system makes it really hard to balance the game trough nerfs or to make ranked infantry any good. In addition to comp a set of missions that make infantry necessary might also help. Cheers and thanks for the report, you are my favorite tow battle reporter at the moment.
Yeah I think the fix for peg Knights is one model is the leader and you take LOS for charges from that model. I think they are fine to move as skrmishers , but the 360 charge arc should only be for unit strength 1 skirmishers.
@@CreakyGamersit is a start but so many troublesome rules that stem from the foundation of the rules would have to change that it would be a new edition by the time things are fixed.
No rewards or penalty , we just to just get people coming to tournaments at this stage. But it's a shame when people cant even afford a can of undercoat 😆These days wtih all the coloured sprays you could really base coat in army in 5 minutes then add some washes and basing , you could paint a whole army to table top standard in a couple of hours. The come back to it and add details as you get motivated.
@@CreakyGamers Agreed about the "come back to it and add details as you get motivated" for sure. And I can understand Goblin or Skaven armies not being finished as you are talking 100 + models but Chaos Warriors! 100 VPs for painting your army would really help to motivate competition players. Also, your Gobbos look great, way better than mine but I'm ok with that, I'm just glad I've painted all 200 of the little useless fuckers!
Just have to ask the reason of the magnificent seven is that there are 7 unique "old" squg rider poses? Just painted up 10 of them, and while I love the asthetic I really wish for a bit more variety...
@@CreakyGamersyeah I know that movie well :) was one of my favorites growing up (also 7 samurai is great too) , just realized the coincidence of having 7 different sculpts.
Love the short format, ain't nobody got time to watch a two hour stream
I love the direction this channel is taking with its video editing XD Honestly, I've loved these short battle reports from the get go. Keep up the good work!
Yeah I finding short reports easier to edit too , so it's working out well.
Great report - very dynamic game!
Great report for this game and the others in this tournament. Thanks.
Tweaking close order and adding some combat res for outnumbering would be okay, but it won't fix the issue with dragons. The core problem is the way the character and dragon's wounds combine, and then every one of those wounds can rely on the armour, ward and regen bought for the character. Those items are priced for 3 or 4 wound characters, placing them on a 10 wound dragon mounted character makes them obscenely tough.
The fix is to return to tracking wounds for the character and monstrous mount separately, like it was back in 6th edition. Shooting hits randomised 1-4 hitting the mount, 5-6 character. In melee you can declare where your attacks are targeted. If the mount dies the character fights on, on foot. If the character dies the mount fights on. This would mean a dragon would only be protected by its 4+ armour, with no ward or regen. Much more practical to get through those 6 wounds. A character might still have his ward and regen, but it would only be for hits directly on him, and will still very tough inflicting 3 or 4 wounds would be achievable.
A character on a flying mount would still have excellent damage output and be very mobile, but they'd no longer be so obscenely tough.
While i agree with the intent behind your line of reasoning, i'm afraid if they were to implement the change a you are suggesting nobody would be playing a dragon anymore. 280 points for a large target with T6, sure, but only 4+ save? Cannons and poisoned attacks would make short work of that, just like it was in 8th. I dont know of it would solve the problem, but i would consider lowering the AC of the dragon to, say, 4 and its Wounds to 8. It Is a fine line, still.
they fixed this in aos already by getting rid of toughness so you can expand wound counts and don't need 4 layers of saving throws that make things functionally invulnerable.
I totally agree , the combining of profiles was a huge mistake , this stuffed up the magic items , giving the dragon a ward and regen was not a good idea , I really hope they fix it.
@@filippogaliero8796 with less dragons the meta would shift to have less cannons. And a character mounted on a dragon would still have tremendous damage potential and mobility. It just wouldn't be the most powerful, most mobile and toughest unit in the game.
Love these game reports. Easy to follow and great to watch!
Thanks 👍👍👍
Close game for a draw; hard fought. Chaos is hard as nails! It was a good strategy overall for both sides to go for point denial. Both armies had good resources to counter the opponent. It cannot be debated, big monsters are back.🐉
Yeah the big Dragon just ate the black orcs 🥲
@@CreakyGamers Greeenskin players are rarely the try-hard power gamers. Be proud of your list composition and its look. I am currently building/painting a Chaos army and I refuse to have a dragon. Honestly, Chaos is already an elite übermensch army. The tooled-up dragon players need to get a girlfriend!😆
The multi save is the real killer!
Yeah ,true 👍
Fantastic batrep! I love that the chaos Dragon was one of the few painted things in the enemy army, man has his priorities straight lol
The Arcane Urgency on the Dragon was absolutely filthy, but then he didn't really do anything for most of the game? He almost got pushed off the table (as someone with a Dragon of their own I am never putting them near the table edge holy fuck) and spent multiple turns trying to get into combat with something worthwhile while being whittled down. You did a really good job of playing keep away to stop him getting his points back though he made it into the black orcs in the final turn.
Great hard-fought batrep, love getting to see the Great Keef hard at work! Looking forward to the next one!
Thanks
I get the feeling that the Dragon could just delete any unit it wanted to 😩😩
Nerf the pegs and dragons get even worse, nerf the dragons and warmachines get too good and so on. I belive that a compsystem might be better. Even though I do not like comp, I think that the tow rules system makes it really hard to balance the game trough nerfs or to make ranked infantry any good. In addition to comp a set of missions that make infantry necessary might also help. Cheers and thanks for the report, you are my favorite tow battle reporter at the moment.
Yeah I think the fix for peg Knights is one model is the leader and you take LOS for charges from that model. I think they are fine to move as skrmishers , but the 360 charge arc should only be for unit strength 1 skirmishers.
@@CreakyGamersit is a start but so many troublesome rules that stem from the foundation of the rules would have to change that it would be a new edition by the time things are fixed.
Thankyou
A very fun report
Thanks , I did miss a bit of footage on turn 3 as I was trying to deal with the dragon ,it was a fun game 👍
Is there any reward for having your models all painted? Or is there a penalty for not having them all painted?
No rewards or penalty , we just to just get people coming to tournaments at this stage. But it's a shame when people cant even afford a can of undercoat 😆These days wtih all the coloured sprays you could really base coat in army in 5 minutes then add some washes and basing , you could paint a whole army to table top standard in a couple of hours. The come back to it and add details as you get motivated.
@@CreakyGamers Agreed about the "come back to it and add details as you get motivated" for sure. And I can understand Goblin or Skaven armies not being finished as you are talking 100 + models but Chaos Warriors! 100 VPs for painting your army would really help to motivate competition players. Also, your Gobbos look great, way better than mine but I'm ok with that, I'm just glad I've painted all 200 of the little useless fuckers!
Just have to ask the reason of the magnificent seven is that there are 7 unique "old" squg rider poses?
Just painted up 10 of them, and while I love the asthetic I really wish for a bit more variety...
The classic Western movie The Magnificent Seven.
It was just a unit of seven named after the old movie , I have 8 in my next list at 1500 points, so they will become the hateful Eight 😆
@@CreakyGamersyeah I know that movie well :) was one of my favorites growing up (also 7 samurai is great too) , just realized the coincidence of having 7 different sculpts.