Blizzard already said that all the races you can play as (Expect Forsaken) can Breed. The real question is why would a Human breed with an orc? Their Brutes, Ugly, Savages if they follow Orcish culture and all around not nice people to be around. Not saying all Orcs are this way but most of them hell yeah.
Boybandhair Thrall almost had it down with Taretha if she would have survived Blackmoore. Even Jaina at one point was considered to be a suitable mate for Thrall by Drek'Thar, just a pity she was a human.
Some male orcs can have rugged kinda handsome and females can have a kinda amazon kinda beauty and some can even be cute. They're not pretty like Elves but they're not all totally hideous either,
Thank you for making such high quality videos. You really couldn't have just ended the video at "Orcs are descendants of Grond, yada yada" but you always go the extra mile with these videos. I loved learning about the Gorian empire and interplay between the Gorians and the Orcs.
True orgin of orc, Blizzard was trying to sell an RTS game to Gamesworkshop they said no, so Blizzard change the Name from Orks to Orcs and released it independently.
your comment is as false as saying that GW created something original which they never did, besides the word orks is not an ip as such, GW made ip orruks from fantasy because they could not own the basic term when they moved to age of sigmar, inform yourself well before saying stupid things, ok?
@@TheBlackfall234 and you believe a famous lie rather than your own research that reveals that they were not inspired by a company that did not create anything original and instead both were inspired by the same sources? Please kill the demon of ignorance before you believe famous bullshit from ignorant fandom or the majority.
@@mihajlonovkovic3428 except that famous fake comment is false that you usually repeat ignorantly since you didn't research something about the topic even to begin with, otherwise you wouldn't be writing nonsense about a fictional agreement that didn't even happen between GW and Blizzard besides finding out that both companies were inspired by the same sources for their fictional universes, finally it would be very hypocritical to say that blizzard copied something when GW didn't create something original in the first place.
so wait, that means, humans, dwarves, gnomes and orcs are essentially titan creations?? whaaaat?? [since the others are not: Night elf, blood elf, troll = descendants of the dark trolls in ancient azeroth Tauren, goblin, pandaren = primitive races on azeroth worgen = half night elf half human draenei = primitive race to their home planet undead = mostly humans, rarely elves]
Goblins kinda sorta are, albeit not directly. Like the dragons, they weren't constructs, but rather reshaped from a primitive race by Titan technology. It just wasn't done directly by a Titan, but rather by a creation of theirs (Mimiron, a Mechagnome)
It's always confused back in the day as a kid why that the Orc home world was named Draenor, when the Draenai came from another planet to it and sounding very much like their race, who named the planet? Also it seems Orcs originally shared a similar light brown pigment in their skin color, wonder when the red, black, and blue skin tones came in. We all know the green was from the Fel and left over even after it.
Read the lore, it was the Draenei who named Draenor Draenor, the exile's refuge. Hell, the lore explicitly says that the name Draenor come from the Draenei's language.
@@durshurrikun150 Firstly, I was explaining my child self experience back in the past during the older expansions about how I wondered about said topic. Secondly, you’re THREE YEARS late to this comment dude…
@@durshurrikun150 You completely ignored what I explained to you out of some sort of self superiority complex to “be right” I see. I literally told you that I was talking about something years ago long before this comment even… You informed me of nothing I didn’t know and being a smartass Just to feel good about it. Not even a kind smartass, just an annoying one. Go grow up kid
wait so if grond is titan made and the collosi are made from bits of grond, and gronn are decesnds of colossi, which is the ancestor of ogres/orcs does that mean that orcs owe their existence to a titan (aggramar) similar to humans and dwarfs?
If you consider what the orcs have done in Ashenvale and elsewhere, it seems likely they still have those destructive tendencies against natural forces. Though the fel influence probably doesn't help.
@@durshurrikun150 they didn't need THAT much wood. And it's not like they planted anything to replace it, or even just selective cut the area. They just straight up clear cut a massive chunk of old growth forest. Not cool man.
@@innovativeatavist159 Because they needed it for the construction. Actually, to build cities, you need a lot of wood if your city is primarily made of wood.
@InnovativeAtavist you do realize how much wood it takes to build and maintain city's especially in war time right it's more surprising that they didn't clear more forest but that's probably from the nelfs fighting tooth and nail for the plants
So wait does that mean Goblins are just smaller weaker smarter orcs? Does this mean orcs just turned smaller when getting to azeroth and turning them into goblins?
So one thing I wondered... why exactly did the Orcs form the "Dragonmaw" Clan, when there were literally no dragons on Draenor? Also, was the Blackrock on Azeroth named after the Blackrock Clan? If so, what was the inspiration for their Clan name in the first place? So many questions...
Blackrock Mountain and the Blackrock clan of orcs were named the same by coincidence. When the orcs used it as a fortress they took it as a good blessing. The Dragonmaw clan is a hard one to figure out, but I think it might have to do with those fae dragon-like creatures we saw during WoD.
Outland can't become a planet because it is itself the remnants of Draenor. If alternate Draenor is revisited, then maybe we'll see other continents of it including the areas that were not implemented in WOD.
A revamp for Outland would make it smaller since it's apparently been ripping itself apart and I'd be interested in seeing a dreanor revamped from the light incursion yreals was leading during the mag Har recruitment quest
Hello there, theres a question that came to my mind: Whats the original, primordial name of Draenor? AFAIK it was named this way because draenei came here. Did orcs have its name for this planet? Ogre name? or Ogron name?
The ogres name for Draenor was Dawgar (meaning Known Earth), the arakkoa called it Rakshar (meaning Sunstone), the orcs simply called it world, the draenei were the ones who gave Draenor it's name
I dont get the part with Oshu gun. Its the ship that brought the Dranei to Draenor right? In the Timeline you described it ended when the Draenei came to Draenor. But in the books the Orcs claim they used Oshu gun since a long time for their Rituals.. so when did the Ship crashed into the world, that the orcs can make that claim? Did they lie? Or how long is the timespan between Draenei came to Draenor and the Burning Legion manipulate Ner'zul?
*insert sarcasm* Grond died battling the Evergrowth. Now you understand why orcs love chopping Ashenvale's trees, they unconsciously fight plant life they believe to be the Evergrowth of Azeroth.
Titan creations don't always have access to the light, as the Titans themselves are beings of arcane mostly. It's when someone spreads "The good word" of the light (usually Naaru) when they start practicing that beleif/accesses the light. I think it might have to do with the first war at this point, as we see many orcs participating and helping in with the argent crusade (as well as Night Elves interestingly enough). Orcs always saw the light being used against them, because the humans thought they were demons or beings of shadow (Also it's probably all the humans had beside arcane).
Does this mean in altered universe Dreanor a new titan will be born also. The Azeroth version the Outlands has been broken to pieces so that version probbaly died.
@@ouroborosi Draenor had no world soul. It was just a significant world that got Aggramar's attention since it had such strong elemental activity and power
@@BroadwayRonMexico Actually, that's not true. It was a small and insignificant world, but had a lot of Spirit on it that Aggramar stumbled upon while he was combating demons. Then he saw what the evergrowth was doing and that it would eventually destroy all life on Draenor, so he created Grond.
Man, great videos and one of the few things i didn't know, Orcs are just degenerated Ogres, haha, and the influence of titans in Draenor, good to know!
oh my god the history of the orcs is just a justification for the clearcutting of the forests they did in wc3 and to help explain why the nature loving night elves went with the alliance
Origins of the Orcs? Well old Papa Tolkien took them from pig like domesticated creatures and reformed them in big strong grey apeddlike domesticated creatures, but due to copyright they were painted green. Warcraft 1 and 2 used those Orcs but Metzen's horrific obsession with redemption story of bad guys ( look at WoD for results) lead us to the Orcs of Warcraft 3 and Thrall...the end.
I really hate how they changed Orge lore. They made them this highly intelligent race with big civilisation yet still most of the ogres in game and old books and comics are unintelligent brutes. There is no explanation for this and it really pisses me off :v
Blizzard retcons old lore all the time so it's not really surprising. I definitely prefer the current ogres to the dumb brutes that could barely form a sentence.
This is one of the most radical retcon yet.Main main issue with this is the dissonance when most of the ogres that we encounter are still from the original lore. Maybe if the explanation was given, for example that the fel magic made them degenerate in intelligence it would be easier for me to swallow. Also with ogres now civilised and Murky is starting a murloc kingdom we are running out of dumb races. :V
I believe at one point the seemingly dull intelligent ogres were a similar case as to what gul'dan did to the orcs when first coming to Azeroth and had children growth accelerated to replace numbers though that is old lore I believe
actually, the Ogres becoming stupid WAS explained as being a side-effect of experiments conducted on them by Orcs that had affinity for the Arcane over the course of generations, these Ogres in particular were among the few remaining Ogres that sought to get out from beneath the heel of the Gronn that controlled many Ogres, while the Gronn-loyalist Ogres were killed off. These experiments had side effects of affecting the minds of future generations of Ogres save for a small handful that would become powerful spellcasters such as Cho'gall, and with the intervention of the Legion in using the Orcs to slay the Draenei, this just made things much worse for the Ogres than beforehand.
I am sorry, but i still don't buy the retcon. It works soooo much beter when Dreanor 1 and Dreanor 2 split when the Akora decided to free the Ogres. One universe where the Ogres remained slaves until they where rescued by the Horde themselves, where the Gul'Dan became a Shaman as the orcs had the luxury to come together and where Narzull started the Horde And one where the Ogres became the "Horde"itself and united knew to bully everyone around them. And a world where the legion already knew how Gul'Dan ticked and was stupid enough to drink the blood itself.
They joined the ranks horde when Gul'dan and the shadow council created it and when the orcs crossed the dark portal into Azeroth they followed them. In Alternate Draenor they were part of the Mag'har's forces and crossed with them to escape the lightbound.
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I want a Giant Gorilla mount!
Crossbreeding between humans and orcs doesn't sound as far fetched when you consider both are ultimately titan creations.
Blizzard already said that all the races you can play as (Expect Forsaken) can Breed. The real question is why would a Human breed with an orc? Their Brutes, Ugly, Savages if they follow Orcish culture and all around not nice people to be around. Not saying all Orcs are this way but most of them hell yeah.
I'm down
Boybandhair Thrall almost had it down with Taretha if she would have survived Blackmoore.
Even Jaina at one point was considered to be a suitable mate for Thrall by Drek'Thar, just a pity she was a human.
Boybandhair You’re RACIST 🤧
Some male orcs can have rugged kinda handsome and females can have a kinda amazon kinda beauty and some can even be cute. They're not pretty like Elves but they're not all totally hideous either,
Ah yes, Orcs are the gnomes of draenor
......well this is going to hunt my mind now .... ..
Except instead of spending their time bombing themselves with radiation orcs just kinda kill everyone
So... goblin are devolved orcs?
Gnomelords of Draenor. 👌
@DanEDigg what have you done!?!!
Me not that kind of orc!
I don't sound like Yoda!
SMOrc
Me not that kind of orc either, me not corrupted by magic.
Well good chap, I'm very much that kind of orc
Amplify Magic work work
Grond (grand daddy of all Breaker-kind) > The Colossals > Magnaron > Gronn > Ogron > Ogres > Orcs
Goren fit in there somewhere.
@@fumarc4501alongside the Ogre Lords
Playing an Orc Warlock in classic. Loved the lore behind orc locks ever since I first did that quest in Shadowmoon Valley.
The entire city of Goria was swallowed by the Blizzard scrap tool due to deadline.
tolkien, that's where all races came from.
I love your videos Doron. They are always well made and explained. Much love from Canada!
Thank you for making such high quality videos. You really couldn't have just ended the video at "Orcs are descendants of Grond, yada yada" but you always go the extra mile with these videos. I loved learning about the Gorian empire and interplay between the Gorians and the Orcs.
True orgin of orc, Blizzard was trying to sell an RTS game to Gamesworkshop they said no, so Blizzard change the Name from Orks to Orcs and released it independently.
looking at how Blizzard changed over the years and what their games have become i can finally be glad about that instead of feeling bad about it.
And aren’t we glad that GW declined and birthed an amazing game that rivals the Warhammer franchise.
your comment is as false as saying that GW created something original which they never did, besides the word orks is not an ip as such, GW made ip orruks from fantasy because they could not own the basic term when they moved to age of sigmar, inform yourself well before saying stupid things, ok?
@@TheBlackfall234 and you believe a famous lie rather than your own research that reveals that they were not inspired by a company that did not create anything original and instead both were inspired by the same sources? Please kill the demon of ignorance before you believe famous bullshit from ignorant fandom or the majority.
@@mihajlonovkovic3428 except that famous fake comment is false that you usually repeat ignorantly since you didn't research something about the topic even to begin with, otherwise you wouldn't be writing nonsense about a fictional agreement that didn't even happen between GW and Blizzard besides finding out that both companies were inspired by the same sources for their fictional universes, finally it would be very hypocritical to say that blizzard copied something when GW didn't create something original in the first place.
Doron posted. I'm so happy!
need part 2 of this story like very soon
For the Thunderlord Clan! Most underrated clan in the game and lore!
Yeah
I'm starting to believe that Blizzard really doesn't know how transitional species work in evolution.
And they don't know how to leave some things to the imagination and not retcon every-single-goddamn-thing
It's a fantasy universe. It doesn't have to be realistic
then tell us Doctor, how do magical plant spores effect species and evolution?
@@Shiirow Magic, you answered it yourself.
The Ogres remind me of the Mogu of Azeroth. The Evergrowth deserves it’s own video and the other Primals. Please?
idk why but I find your old videos way easier to listen to
Same here, his voice tone is calmer in his older videos
so wait, that means, humans, dwarves, gnomes and orcs are essentially titan creations?? whaaaat??
[since the others are not:
Night elf, blood elf, troll = descendants of the dark trolls in ancient azeroth
Tauren, goblin, pandaren = primitive races on azeroth
worgen = half night elf half human
draenei = primitive race to their home planet
undead = mostly humans, rarely elves]
Goblins kinda sorta are, albeit not directly. Like the dragons, they weren't constructs, but rather reshaped from a primitive race by Titan technology. It just wasn't done directly by a Titan, but rather by a creation of theirs (Mimiron, a Mechagnome)
It's always confused back in the day as a kid why that the Orc home world was named Draenor, when the Draenai came from another planet to it and sounding very much like their race, who named the planet? Also it seems Orcs originally shared a similar light brown pigment in their skin color, wonder when the red, black, and blue skin tones came in. We all know the green was from the Fel and left over even after it.
Read the lore, it was the Draenei who named Draenor Draenor, the exile's refuge.
Hell, the lore explicitly says that the name Draenor come from the Draenei's language.
@@durshurrikun150
Firstly, I was explaining my child self experience back in the past during the older expansions about how I wondered about said topic.
Secondly, you’re THREE YEARS late to this comment dude…
@@erickchristensen746 The fact of you being wrong doesn't have an expiration date
@@durshurrikun150
You completely ignored what I explained to you out of some sort of self superiority complex to “be right” I see.
I literally told you that I was talking about something years ago long before this comment even…
You informed me of nothing I didn’t know and being a smartass Just to feel good about it.
Not even a kind smartass, just an annoying one.
Go grow up kid
@@durshurrikun150 sperg
wait so if grond is titan made and the collosi are made from bits of grond, and gronn are decesnds of colossi, which is the ancestor of ogres/orcs does that mean that orcs owe their existence to a titan (aggramar) similar to humans and dwarfs?
Yes
If you consider what the orcs have done in Ashenvale and elsewhere, it seems likely they still have those destructive tendencies against natural forces.
Though the fel influence probably doesn't help.
They simply harvested wood because they needed it for their buildings.
@@durshurrikun150 they didn't need THAT much wood.
And it's not like they planted anything to replace it, or even just selective cut the area. They just straight up clear cut a massive chunk of old growth forest. Not cool man.
@@innovativeatavist159 Because they needed it for the construction.
Actually, to build cities, you need a lot of wood if your city is primarily made of wood.
@InnovativeAtavist you do realize how much wood it takes to build and maintain city's especially in war time right it's more surprising that they didn't clear more forest but that's probably from the nelfs fighting tooth and nail for the plants
Dude thank you so much for adding subtitles. Even if i know english quite enough, sometimes its hard to understands. So thanks again for that
For next Q&A,
How were the demons created and what created them?
I feel like using images of the magnaron as the colossals is misleading. I dunno. correct me if wrong
there are no image of what they look like, but magnaron are close enough
It's very hard to present Grond and the colossals when there are no models of them and barely any art.
Doronsmovies that's true, but some newbie scrub-idiots might get the wrong idea 😂
i am newbie scrub idiot :(
Tigrex no well everyone once was a noob, so nothing to be ashamed of
Super nice video. Quite glad to learn this well constructed background never thought it was so peculiar
So wait does that mean Goblins are just smaller weaker smarter orcs? Does this mean orcs just turned smaller when getting to azeroth and turning them into goblins?
Jason Axle Goblins and orcs aren't related.
Goblins aren't from Draenor. They're native to Azeroth. The only race they're known to be related to are the Pygmies
Thank you for another great lore video!
Thanks man, you made my day!
Bobby Biggerstaff ;D
Nice work on a comprehensive evolution of Orcs and their forefathers.
Now i can understand why it's not easy being green.
;D
Orcs are (with all respect) the badassess of badassess. Even with the Vrykul.
great video as always man, god damn I have a new respect for orcs and WOD in general what a badass tale
This is a really good video! Keep it up Doronsmovies!
Thanks. :)
So one thing I wondered... why exactly did the Orcs form the "Dragonmaw" Clan, when there were literally no dragons on Draenor? Also, was the Blackrock on Azeroth named after the Blackrock Clan? If so, what was the inspiration for their Clan name in the first place? So many questions...
Blackrock Mountain and the Blackrock clan of orcs were named the same by coincidence. When the orcs used it as a fortress they took it as a good blessing.
The Dragonmaw clan is a hard one to figure out, but I think it might have to do with those fae dragon-like creatures we saw during WoD.
They did not use that name in Draenor, they used their orcish name and they were referring to the rylaks.
Warcraft Orcs are the coolest!
I wanna see draenor and-maybe-Outland rewamped. twicing, or even tripleing the size of the zones would be cool, and feel like an actual planet.
Outland can't become a planet because it is itself the remnants of Draenor.
If alternate Draenor is revisited, then maybe we'll see other continents of it including the areas that were not implemented in WOD.
A revamp for Outland would make it smaller since it's apparently been ripping itself apart and I'd be interested in seeing a dreanor revamped from the light incursion yreals was leading during the mag Har recruitment quest
Nothing like a good ol' Doronsmovies video!
Hello there, theres a question that came to my mind:
Whats the original, primordial name of Draenor? AFAIK it was named this way because draenei came here. Did orcs have its name for this planet? Ogre name? or Ogron name?
Orgrimmar=Green Lands
Orcs just called it “The Planet”
Until the draenei came and then accepted Dreanor as its name
The other sapient races had other names for it though
The ogres name for Draenor was Dawgar (meaning Known Earth), the arakkoa called it Rakshar (meaning Sunstone), the orcs simply called it world, the draenei were the ones who gave Draenor it's name
Elijah Butcher thank you so much for clearing that up!!! been a decade since my interest in WoW lore came back
@@Dr.Osterman No problem
Very interesting, but it's so sad you stopped speak about the Legion : green orcs, chaos red orcs, etc... :(
Ugh Draenor was an awesome expansion. Last one I thoroughly got sucked into and enjoyed.
Always a great video Doron!
Love your videos mang, please keep making them :D
this is soo good i saw it 4 times
It's like Warhammer 40k's Orks spores except their orks are born in a different way
That was amazing. Why did you stop? Where is the rest of the story?
Finally he uploaded! !!!!!
@4:59 Wait... the Skeksis kicked off the Ogre liberation?!??
Damn Skeksis always messing with dark powers!
i like how grond is kinda inspired by the greek deity prometheus.
Thank you for the knowledge friend.
wod, for me, had the best theme of all expansions
I would love to see a video about the trolls and elfs and humans and also taurens xD evolve
that was very insightful
I thought Troll also Related to Orc and ogre for the first time i play warcraft 3 in 2003 because of appearance similarity especially tusk and ear
You are amazing man
I like how it’s still kinda like the Greenskins from warhammer where they basically came from fungi
Good job really nice explanation
‘da Warhamma orkz are betta. Dose Warcraft orcs don't even go have a WAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!!!!!
love your channel bro
Never thought I would hear the words ogre and smart in the same sentence
I dont get the part with Oshu gun. Its the ship that brought the Dranei to Draenor right? In the Timeline you described it ended when the Draenei came to Draenor. But in the books the Orcs claim they used Oshu gun since a long time for their Rituals.. so when did the Ship crashed into the world, that the orcs can make that claim? Did they lie? Or how long is the timespan between Draenei came to Draenor and the Burning Legion manipulate Ner'zul?
*insert sarcasm* Grond died battling the Evergrowth. Now you understand why orcs love chopping Ashenvale's trees, they unconsciously fight plant life they believe to be the Evergrowth of Azeroth.
dobar si jutjuber :)
Sto nisi na Engleskom?
When it ended I was like 'and then?'
Super interesting. Thanks! :)
I would like to know if its posible for an orc to be a monk lore wise.
I just want the lore on why I can't play a goddamn upright orc but thrall can.
Morgan capra next expansion we can
Welcome back ;)
Shouldn't this be added to your origin of races playlist?
Damn, just hearing that WoD music remembers me bad memories :s
please do a how powerfull are rogues
Wish we atleast got sub-races for orcs like some skin colors: brown and grey
Adding evolution to wildlower was the worst thing they could have ever done
I love Orcs.
wouldnt this effectively make the orcs titan constructs and thus having access to the powers of the light something that lorewise just dosnt happen.
Titan creations don't always have access to the light, as the Titans themselves are beings of arcane mostly. It's when someone spreads "The good word" of the light (usually Naaru) when they start practicing that beleif/accesses the light.
I think it might have to do with the first war at this point, as we see many orcs participating and helping in with the argent crusade (as well as Night Elves interestingly enough). Orcs always saw the light being used against them, because the humans thought they were demons or beings of shadow (Also it's probably all the humans had beside arcane).
wait, oggron are decendents of the gronn? i thought they were hybrids of the gronn and ogres.
wow is there a resume? like the story of Draenei
Orcs related to fungus. So they are warhammer Orks. well done Metzen.
nahh, nothing to do with wh orks, besides that both share the same concept of race in fiction
according to the lore should we defeat the burning legion
that Accckkkkkkk-cent.
Sooo.... everything changed when the burning legion attacked
That's a lot of damage
Would love to see a video of this on trolls. :)
Why aren't they still evolving or rather devolving, they'll probably turn into green pigs with tusks that fight angry birds for a living
If the fact that the orcs are a titan creation is true, then I would love them x10 more...
they are indeed a descended of the titan creation
Does this mean in altered universe Dreanor a new titan will be born also.
The Azeroth version the Outlands has been broken to pieces so that version probbaly died.
@@ouroborosi Draenor had no world soul. It was just a significant world that got Aggramar's attention since it had such strong elemental activity and power
@@BroadwayRonMexico Actually, that's not true.
It was a small and insignificant world, but had a lot of Spirit on it that Aggramar stumbled upon while he was combating demons.
Then he saw what the evergrowth was doing and that it would eventually destroy all life on Draenor, so he created Grond.
@@durshurrikun150
“That’s not true” in what regard, that it had no world soul? Because it didn’t I already looked it up
What did he say? Dorons mobies? Moo-Bee's?
This guy could voice a character in skyrim.
Man, great videos and one of the few things i didn't know, Orcs are just degenerated Ogres, haha, and the influence of titans in Draenor, good to know!
Amazing!
oh my god the history of the orcs is just a justification for the clearcutting of the forests they did in wc3 and to help explain why the nature loving night elves went with the alliance
Orcs have as many forms as Elves.
Amazing video 👍🏻 like your accent
so are Goblins a devolved form of orcs? because they are smaller but smarter then orcs
Some trolls and gnomes got together and fukked
Origins of the Orcs? Well old Papa Tolkien took them from pig like domesticated creatures and reformed them in big strong grey apeddlike domesticated creatures, but due to copyright they were painted green. Warcraft 1 and 2 used those Orcs but Metzen's horrific obsession with redemption story of bad guys ( look at WoD for results) lead us to the Orcs of Warcraft 3 and Thrall...the end.
I really hate how they changed Orge lore. They made them this highly intelligent race with big civilisation yet still most of the ogres in game and old books and comics are unintelligent brutes. There is no explanation for this and it really pisses me off :v
Blizzard retcons old lore all the time so it's not really surprising. I definitely prefer the current ogres to the dumb brutes that could barely form a sentence.
This is one of the most radical retcon yet.Main main issue with this is the dissonance when most of the ogres that we encounter are still from the original lore. Maybe if the explanation was given, for example that the fel magic made them degenerate in intelligence it would be easier for me to swallow. Also with ogres now civilised and Murky is starting a murloc kingdom we are running out of dumb races. :V
I believe at one point the seemingly dull intelligent ogres were a similar case as to what gul'dan did to the orcs when first coming to Azeroth and had children growth accelerated to replace numbers though that is old lore I believe
actually, the Ogres becoming stupid WAS explained as being a side-effect of experiments conducted on them by Orcs that had affinity for the Arcane over the course of generations, these Ogres in particular were among the few remaining Ogres that sought to get out from beneath the heel of the Gronn that controlled many Ogres, while the Gronn-loyalist Ogres were killed off. These experiments had side effects of affecting the minds of future generations of Ogres save for a small handful that would become powerful spellcasters such as Cho'gall, and with the intervention of the Legion in using the Orcs to slay the Draenei, this just made things much worse for the Ogres than beforehand.
I am sorry, but i still don't buy the retcon.
It works soooo much beter when Dreanor 1 and Dreanor 2 split when the Akora decided to free the Ogres.
One universe where the Ogres remained slaves until they where rescued by the Horde themselves, where the Gul'Dan became a Shaman as the orcs had the luxury to come together and where Narzull started the Horde
And one where the Ogres became the "Horde"itself and united knew to bully everyone around them.
And a world where the legion already knew how Gul'Dan ticked and was stupid enough to drink the blood itself.
I thought the Draenei Oshu'gun in Nargrand made the orcs intelligent.
so how'd the ogres get on azeroth?
They joined the ranks horde when Gul'dan and the shadow council created it and when the orcs crossed the dark portal into Azeroth they followed them. In Alternate Draenor they were part of the Mag'har's forces and crossed with them to escape the lightbound.
im not sure i would call that devolve ..wait are you saying de or E?
Ogres should be an allied race for the horde
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World of Warhammer is amazing
amazing