I was so wrong about Robert Plant...
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It took me awhile to "get" Robert Plant. When I was growing up in the 90s, the singers I were into were much more precise, aggressive and to my ears, melodic. (Cornell, Staley, Vedder, Hetfield)
I didn't really understand or relate to Robert's voice until I started to get into guitar, specifically Jimmy Page. It all changed for me when one of my guitar teachers made an interesting comparison...
...Robert Plant isn't singing. He's "playing his voice like it's a guitar".
This changed everything for me both in how I listened to Robert Plant AND how I approached my own voice!
John Paul Jones once said he didn't really know the lyrics to a lot of Zeppelin songs, he thought of Plant's voice as one of the instruments.
As a bassist I never really know the lyrics to any of the songs I've ever played. Only certain parts that acts as cues to following parts.
Well, then Blackmoore most definitely said the same thing about Deep Purple. He never knew the lyrics and he couldn't care less. It was all about the voice that completed the band's chemistry.
It's not just those two bands that played that way. This all comes from blues they were inspired by and they also played prior to joining these bands.
Blues is totally based on such vocalization. Just listen to any black blues dating back to first records in 1920', it's all there.
Many bands in 1970's used their vocalists as another instrument. Rory Gallagher played his guitar and sang in similar way, many others did the same with more or less success.
It just got lost in time, especially in 80's when this was almost completely forgotten and abandoned precisely because many artist simply didn't have any background in blues playing anymore.
Michael Jackson used his voice in same way, and on top of it, he used it also as a percussion instrument as well. That's why he was so monstrously successful with Thriller and some of his follow ups.
GNR (as much as I disliked them) did the exact same thing, and we're successful because of that.
Hopefully, music will return to using vocalists as another instrument more often some day.
Thats so cool, because John Bonham was not drumming along with the bass player. He was following along with the lead guitar, Jimmy Page. Thats why Led Zeppelin had such a unique sound.
Robert's response was to write the song called Royal Orleans. This details John Cameron's unfortunate adventure with a drag queen resulting in hotel rooms set on fire, fireman kicking in the door, and kissing whiskers. John baldwin, John Paul Jones's real name, sounds suspiciously like that, and apparently this happened to him. That was the revenge for saying lyrics did not matter. Never insult a poet or lyricists
@@robertj5881 Yeah Cameron and Baldwin sure are close.
Plant said that because there was so much improvisation in Zeppelin he had to decide whether to stand on the side of the stage or join in. I think that was the key factor in his singing style.
Your right Ritchie, watching Plant live, he's always looking at Page like he's waiting for a cue or something so he can react.
Yeah a lot of people don't even consider it, but Led Zeppelin was a full-on jam band. They explored improv just as much as The Allman Bros, The Dead, Cream etc.
yeah his indecision was obvious lol
They met, then about a month later they recorded Led Zeppelin 1 - in a few weeks, using only 36 hours of studio time - then went on tour supporting that Top 10 album, and not long after that they had conquered the world, and stayed on top for a decade. No other band before or since has gone from 0 to 100 so quickly, and that's because they had the type of chemistry that most bands can only dream of. Four of the best rock musicians of all time, in the same band, all getting along with one another, both on and off the stage. What they did has basically only ever happened once...
Sums them up !!
Page is a genius, his vision for Zep coming to fruition during the Yardbirds...Of course he got incredibly lucky that the other three got involved.
And their manager ,Peter Grant , took care of them and people around them so they could totally focus on the music
Chemistry among one's bandmates, I believe is the most important aspect determining a bands success at whatever level of skill or aspiration.
Led Zeppelin is definitely a whole being greater than the sum of the parts. They were all very good individually but when you put them together, the magic happened.
I don't know...... have all Plant's 80's solo stuff and there is a lot that I like better than zeppelin
@@ryananthony4840 well... thats solos are writing for Jimmy page
True, but John Paul Jones was the secret weapon that made it all work IMO.
@@dylanhealy8126 Them Crooked Vultures
@Reffidex I see what you did there...
Jeff Buckley is a perfect example of an artist who sings through their guitar and plays guitar through their singing.
Buckley is good but he’s not on the same level IMO
@@Oh_I_Will Sadly we never got to see how he would further evolve as an artist.
Robert Plant has said Jeff Buckley one of best singers of his generation…..He and Jimmy went to hear Jeff in Montreaux where they were on tour, and were just blown away.
@@w.geoffreyspaulding6588 Tim Buckley was even better but is largely forgotten in favour of his son
RP was inspiration for JB. LZ was his favorite band.
Surprised at how few comments mention what Page and Plant were actually doing. It's classic Blues call and response. They did it from the first album ("You Shook Me", for example). I'm likely a LOT older than most of you, so I learned about this technique and its Blues roots ages ago in interviews with Robert and Jimmy. While they weren't bluesmen in the purest sense they loved the music all the same.
It's not just blues. 40's Jazz. There is no better example of voice as an instrument than Ella Fitzgerald. Best horn in the band. ruclips.net/video/J1_WJf6eDPE/видео.html She makes you realize exactly how tone deaf most rock singers were.
Beck and Stewart were doin that in shows and on Truth out 6 mos before Zep 1.
Yeah you are pretty old.
Plant's singing interaction with Jimmy Page's guitar playing is unmatched in my opinion. Intuitive, creative and utterly powerful. Probably the best example in my mind is Dazed and Confused, 1970 at Royal Albert Hall. It's just so good to see/hear a singer singing freely, basically jamming with his voice.
Jagger/Richards tops for me.
nobodys fault is example of Plant doing callback off of Page guitar
Yes!😁
Unmatched? Not even close. ruclips.net/video/RcJHaOUT0Qs/видео.html
Extraordinario
“You shook me” comes to mind, I love how they duel each other in that song
True that! My absolute favorite "blues" song.
Also, Plant kinda sounded like Iago from Aladdin and I'm not the only one who thought that 😂 someone made a meme of it way back but I haven't been able to find it since
Something I always thought about Sting, whose voice I love, is that his melodies and style sound like an instrument to me, and not typical vocalist idioms.
Robert Plant is goated , as they say 🤘
Bonham did the same thing with his drums. Played them more like a lead instrument. You'll hear him play back on the drums, almost note-for-note at times, what Page was playing or Plant was singing. Fun to listen to.
yeah he did! That is the dif between musicians playin with other artists and playing 'with' some 'canned' beat 🦄🧜♀🌭🍺
Perfect example of this is The Rover. Bonham starts out the song with the heavy drum intro and Page follows it with the guitar. The drums in that song are like another lead.
Robert Plant is one of my all time faves. Funny, you were in to Page before Plant, I was into Robert Plant way before I really started digging Page's playing. And I'm a guitar player (I was into technique and cleanliness way more than I should have been. Gilmour is still my #1 though)..lol.. However, they both rank at the top of my list now.
Love your vids! I ALWAYS learn something new!
Page blows Gilmore out of the water...sheer passion!
Talk about bringing vocals to guitar, Gilmour is also my favorite!!
If you don't think Gilmour plays with passion (as well as pure soul and emotion) , you haven't been paying enough attention..lol
Page and Gilmour are my two biggest influences of all time...But i give the edge to Page...So much passion...only SRV is on par with Page...
I saw Robert Plant just the other day and it gave me chills. He’s easily my biggest inspiration vocally and it was incredible getting to see him in person. He’s still so damn good
You were pumping iron while he was pumping gasoline ?
Cap.
@@richardmcdonald6237 I mean, he’s literally on tour at the moment, I went to the show in Lucca
@@fossildick2705 You were pumping iron whereas I was pumping irony.
I have tickets for end of August. SO looking forward…keeping fingers crossed that nothing ef’s it up….
I remember hearing an interview with George Benson who was initially a jazz guitarist. He said 'I can't sing but my guitar will teach me' - that's why he did those signature runs and vocal scats over the cool guitar notes which went onto became his thing.
George Benson is a legend. Superb guitar player and singer. Prodigy.
Always enjoy the call-and-response between Plant and Page, with Jones and Bonham anchoring the rhythm over the other two's higher end wailings. Still cool to hear, especially from the really early concerts on CD or DVD.
I absolutely agree. The best vocalist are able to use their voice as an instrument. Understanding the connection between a voice and an instrument is key. I can elaborate on this topic, but I'll leave let my previous statements rest and represent my thoughts.
Once upon a time, Ritchie Blackmore and Ian Gillan also did it very well together.
Lord help us.
Hai ragione,avevo 13 anni quando comprai Machine Head, ed era semplicemente entusiasmante...!!! Come molti,sono cresciuto ascoltando la chitarra di Blackmore, e lui è tra i primi al mondo, di sicuro!!! Li ho visti a Parigi per mia fortuna nel 1985... Straordinari è dir e proprio niente...!!! Ero nelle prime file,non so se mi spiego e avevo 20 anni...! La differenza che ho sempre trovato( e che ha penalizzato i Purple...) e che tra Blackmore e Gillan,c'era rivalità e invidia,mentre tra Page e Plant c'era amicizia e sintonia... Non è questione di classifica, sono tutti bravi, ognuno a modo proprio! Ma la musica,deve unire, non dividere....!!! In ogni caso... Long live rock'n'roll!!!
Yes But Purple didn't star doing Rock unti they heard the Zeppelin 1 and wanted to try rock (said by blackmore and lord on the getting thighter documentary on youtube) when Zeppelin was already on the third record!!!
Zeppelin was waaaay ahead of everybody.
@@a.m8878 Yeah but Deep Purple actually wrote their own songs.
@@BunnEFartz Zeppelin actually wrote a lot of their songs as well my dear. Inspite of the 8. 12 plagiarized songs.
And deep purple Plagiarized as well....so...
This reminds me of Deep Purple with Ritchie Blackmore on guitar and Ian Gillan's vocals. They would mirror riffs to a point where it was difficult to tell the guitar from the vocals. Gillan's range as demonstrated in the original Broadway version of Jesus Christ Superstar was astounding.
It's such a shame Gillan can't hit the notes he used to, but that's aging I guess. Luck of the draw how it affects vocalists.
@@stantonvalberg9814 He screamed so much listen to Child in Time which no other rock singer has ever attempted. Now he’s still okay as long as he lowers down an octave. Highway Star he struggles with now. That’s no easy song to sing either. Ian Gillan is I believe older than Plant by a few years. Both can’t sing the way they used to. Hell I hope I’m still just standing and breathing at that age.
@@tims7344 Robert Plant lost his top range in 1973 and has been fighting his voice ever since. It is amazing what he does with a broken instrument.
Live In Japan album.
Yeah
This vid just popped up in my YT feed. I "get" what you're saying of course, but my first thought was "Where has this guy been?" This has been Plant's hallmark since 1968. In fact, the entire band "gels" like this. Bonham's drums often mimic Page's playing, especially live when they go off improvising. There are so many examples, I'm not sure where to start. Dazed and Confused when Plant's voice mimics the descending, cascading bends Page plays in succession. Then there's the way Bonham's drums follow Page's fills in Achilles Last Stand. This cohesion is what made them so fantastic in my opinion and why they just couldn't go on after Bonham passed.
Plant used his voice like an instrument. Have you seen the Madison Square Garden performance of the song Since I've Been Loving You ? Also want to recommend the entire 26 minutes of Dazed and Confused from the Madison Square Garden concert. Plant's voice is very prominent as an instrument on Dazed.
Yes
And at those Madison square performances His voice was a shadow of what it was he nodules from overuse and still sounded great
@@Minceontoast2 Yes, he had vocal surgery by this point, but I wouldn't say his voice was a shadow of what it was. His tambre was still the same. He just didn't do ridiculous head voice past A4. He learned to be responsible with his vocal health. Most touring singers do this. Did you know that you can't find a live version of Hunger Strike that exists where Cornell goes past B4. On the record he hits an E5 at the end. It's just not practical live for 99.9 percent of Tenor and even Alto singers.
Bro, just to add to your post....have you heard Robert play the harmonica in the Levy song? Enough said, he's a genius!!
@@mjordan601 Oh yeah. He plays pretty good guitar also.
Rob Halford has long been the third guitarist of Judas Priest. And not surprisingly, he’s said two of his heroes/influencers were Robert Plant and David Bowie. Legends, all.
Well man. You just blew my freakin mind! I’m glad I haven’t recorded any vocal tracks for my EP yet. Appreciate you very much! Take care 👏
The man had one of the most powerful voices on earth. The dude would sing to Jimmy's guitar and Jimmy would play back to him. 🤘💙
Agree on the Jimmy Page analysis. He is truly the best rock guitarist ever.
Zeppelin's call and response was a fantastic part of what made them so good.
Absolutely beautiful, Chris. So crazy, I literally just started doing this sort of thing over the last couple weeks in my practices and it has been pretty great. I'm pretty new to the making melodies with my voice, but have had a decent amount of experience with my hands on a stringed instrument, so it just made so much sense to try and mimic my own creativity and sounds across formats. I am definitely gonna be doing this more. Please keep up the great work, truly appreciate you and all that you do, unapologetically, honest and awesome.
I always loved Robert Plant however, when I started playing not just the guitar part but the note the signer play. For example Black Dog, I played the notes Robert is signing and once I did I saw what an amazing singer Robert Plant is.
What a great observation Chris! Will def keep this in mind with my future vocal takes. Thanks for all your tips and tricks. 🎸
You are right, also perhaps, some voices are percussive, like Mike Patton (known as one of the most versatile vocalists of rock). Often I find good singers are good at doing imitations of other people as well. As you've taught me, there's a lot of nuance that goes into singing, like walking a tightrope between doing what you know and pushing the envelope into something that is uniquely great and not just banal.
The live Robert Plant between 1969 and 1972-3 is unmatched in his power.
Perhaps the most powerful but for me the best rock and roll singer - not to mention lyricist - is Sir Mick Jagger.
@@jessewolf6806 Jagger doesn’t really sing, he kinda staggers his words out. Great entertainer though
Your videos are very valuable and enriching!! Thank you for the work and care you put into your videos ❤
I've been watching your videos for years and this is my first comment. You are genius with this take. As a vocalist and guitarist myself, I never really thought about a guitar singing. But it's perfect. Bravo.
Not to mention the fact that I immediately used this idea in my head to spark a vocal arrangement that sounds like a guitar.......realizing that it was nothing like my "natural" singing voice! Achievement unlocked!
Well said, Chris… if I could give this video 800 likes and 1,000 loves, I would. RP is my favorite all-time vocalist and as an amateur singer myself I’ve learned to “study” him (as well as others) extensively. I was just saying to a couple of my friends doing Zep at karaoke recently, that when they got to the “improvisational” sounds of the song, they were trying to “sing” them rather than vocalize them organically… it’s a very challenging thing to get into or even “get”; I complete understand why so many people are turned off by his vocals, as I was initially. And just like you, something clicked for me, although much earlier on in my life. Even when as his voice has evolved and he has crossed over into and explored other genres, there is a certain character and texturing to his voice. Love or hate it, it’s the way it is.
This is a very informative video. I didn't even notice this and have become to appreciate in later years with the vocals on going to California and searching for my baby
Interesting perspective, Chris. I've long recognized the Plant/Page 'Call & Response' technique (which is originally from early Blues), and I love that about Zeppelin.
I've never thought about trying to sing like I play guitar, tho.
From now on, I'm going to try that out and incorporate this into my singing. 😁
Bang!!! You nailed it Chris. Robert was inspired by the blues and his phrasing captured the essence of blues. Feel over technical mastery yet he had the skills to achieve that with his voice. Man, even to this day, I have never heard a singer who could sing The Immigrant Song the way Plant could. Also, on a song like In The Light, as an example, listen to the way he sings the verses. There are so many examples showing how brilliant and special a singer he was. JP was certainly fortunate to have found him, including JB and JPJ for the line up. We'll never see that sort of combo again.
That's so awesome, great ear Chris, I love the strat you should bring it out more in your videos. 🤘
Early Led Zeppelin is definitely ground-breaking stuff!
I really love the idea bro! made a lot of sense! thanks for that ! enlightening !!! more power
Four exceptional musicians working alive and improvising as blues musicians every single night. Four beasts in his best moment, TOGETHER.
This video makes a lot of sense. I thought of that section towards the end of "You Shook Me" when he was discussing the guitar/vocal correlation.
Nice. As a guitar instructor I often use vocals as a reference as to how students should bend, and vibrato etc. Zeppelin isn’t my favorite band but Plant always comes up, especially when it comes to giving the minor 3rd in the blues scale that little bend toward major.
I remember when Joe Satriani, a guitarist who makes, for the most part, instrumental rock music, had said that he too sings what he composed for the guitar. It's a really good way for composing new melodies, and I do this for my own compositions. Abraços, Chris!
Keeps things from sounding like warm-up exercises stitched together.
It occured to me when I started singing, that most Rock vocalist attempt sound like a slightly distorted guitar. You may notice too that the more metal the guitarist the more bassy and low scream sounds the vocalist. Funny, because I saw an interview with Steve Tyler about he and Joe Perry and how they create songs together. So Joe plays Steve some lick on the guitar and Steve replys in lyrics sung to the lick.
And intresting too how the Guitar solo is usually up btwn 12 and 16 fret higher pitch and vocal solos also tend to rocket up in pitch.
The most exciting guitar/vocal call and response is for me is the cimbination of Ian Gillan and Ritchie Blackmore, especially on the live version of Strrnge Kind of Woman from Made In Japan. Bloody awesome!
Thank you. Blackmore also had Jon Lord. But yes those licks with matching vocals on Strange Kind of Woman are all high mark of that type of Performance. Made In Japan is the Bench Mark of what a live Album should be. I have never got tired of listening to Made In Japan. It is just that damn good!
@@kurtsherrick2066 I agree also DP didn't seem sloppy sounding when live
Thanks a lot for this video... You have other videos as well, covering this topic as you have said... Which are also good... And in the course you mention that... Trying to sing and going from talking to singing it's quite fun and interesting... The blend between the voice and the guitar is always beautiful... Very beautiful...
The vocal coach that vocalists need. Thanks, Chris ! 🤘🏻🤘🏻
I love this! Amazing story about Robert Plant and how to enhance your voice with guitar riffs.
I follow you. I'm working on "Whole Lotta Love" I found myself when I think at my best just being sloppy, just get my voice up there and let it roam around.
I started thinking somewhat like that a year or two ago. I sometimes compare voice texture of my favorite singers to a certain instruments: this persons sounds more like a guitar, while this one more like a piano. Or when I think about rap or more rhythmic vocals (walk this way) I think about drums.
Also for me it's much more fun to play my guitar sometimes, because I know that if I play the note on a guitar it's always gonna be there, it's always gonna be that note. Compared with singing when I (and I think others as well) would sometimes think 'how do I hit that note, how do I get there?'
I want to know with the same certainty that if I want to sing a note, I can do it and hit that note same way it would be on a guitar. Which leads to a conclusion that I need to trust my voice, my abilities and I need to trust myself more.
That's really cool. I think Dave Navarro and Perry Ferrell of Jane's Addiction did this as well; that trade off of soloing between lead guitar and vocal.
In the studio Jimmy recorded Plants voice as an instrument not a traditional method
I really appreciated this one, I do tend to sing better when I think of it this way. Axl rose was often described the same way. Also, The high pitched demonstration you did sounded awesome !!!!!!and!!!!!!!
I’ve actually been thinking a lot about singers playing their voice like an instrument. Another good example is Amy Lee from Evanescence. She phrases her melodies a lot like a violinist and sings with very beautiful swells. I think that’s why her voice comes off as so angelic.
Yeah she is amazing
Some people hear that first time when listening to led Zeppelin and they become life long fans but not many people understand how beautiful the music is. Every instrument complements the other.
I like the point of view you've discovered here & i agree totally man!
Jimi Hendrix also had a style where he matched voice & riff in ways as to create a duelling landscape of melody.
Ah Chris,interesting and very telling perspectives in mentioning your first strong formative tastes being those 90's bands you mentioned.
My first I thoughts about those reflections were,"oh his first strong exposures to what was cutting-edge to him as with all of us to a greater or lesser degree".
Beyond the obvious to you,that what was apparent to you,is simply taste,which can change if curiosity is as great..
The when of first exposure plays in subconsciously only to a point,though a strong one,but as you've mentioned we and our tastes grow,our appreciation.
Ah but your musicianship nudged an openness of appreciation,as a stronger catalyst than say a non-musician ?
Well taste is one of the most potentially subjective,controversial things to interrelate to another person.Much more subtle nuance is involved.
Having prefaced all of this based on what you've shared in this video,here's where I find it relatable.
Though from my ealiest recollections I can remember taste wise not having a style preference for vocals,my tastes were ultra fluid probably because of exposure,because the 70's were extremely varied with great composition of most types of songs as standard,so very little sounded rushed,"slapped together".
But relating to what you mentioned about your instrument,I always loved to sing,I mean really sing,even imitate as close as I could always..
Have learned some instruments somewhat,and keyboards a lot by ear,so much that it even led to many recorded sung and keyed compositions.
Yet singing only stayed with me so strongly.
Ah the infuencers in our formative,
Well I kind of sold myself on being a bass and baritone oddly enough in my teens at my first time at choir practice,continued from choir practices throughout my childhood that had greatly changed by high school,"the deepening of my speaking voice",so It just felt a new novelty to sing low..
It went well for awhile,But something was missing.
And that was singing with way more range as a pre to early teen.
Pop was mostly baritone and tenor for men,and the tenors or versatile baritones were immensely stylizing new voices.And at that point I just struck me that if I wanted to go places professionally with it in the future I had to,and wanted to expand.
I wanted that for myself,so I worked right back into much higher registers again,A lot, at almost anything eventually and succeeded..
As it increased my taste,
So the craft and my taste fed off each other..
But back to the first or second most telling thing I heard in this episode,which were the 90's singers you've mentioned.
My personal take as a serious singer myself?
The 90's prevalent hard rock style caught me by surprise in a mixed way..
I enjoyed the new odd tones of the music,I understood it,But much of the touted popular singers,at least the
Yarlers left me feeling flat.
I was torn though,in trying to keep an open mind as a budding serious artist myself.
I couldn't escape though that affectations of many,not all but many had those yarling affectations,that were too folksy masculine for me.
It kind of peaved me because I felt the writing and playing,but thought to myself,
"Oh so we're all backwoods cowboys now?"
Two or more considerations were going on at that point at the time.
One is,I'm from very rural areas but never really adopted many of the demeanors or lilts to my voice.
I always made it a point to while modulating my speaking voice as pleasantly as I could,that I didn't want to sound regional,or think regionally.
It felt limiting.
Have lived in large cities my whole adult life where we mix it up..
And to me part of that has been singing beyond what I ever first felt capable of,as a reflection of all else in my life.
And of course have grown a greater appreciation of what the yarlers were doing in the 90's..
But as far as them challenging me enough vocally or the feel I want to convey,in presenting my multitudes of lyrics?,"no".
But I respect and appreciate those who do.
Anyway I personally classically clean sing in upper registers and harmonic singing and just as often in styles of singers of even what would be percieved as off-color tones to many or ultra niche.
But again it's all a matter of taste for most,although more mitigating factors of that taste coming into play if your a classical and experimental leaning singer,musician,artist,or connnoisseur etc.
Right and again yes what you've said about the singing voice by example of Plant in this case of discussion truly be attempting to mirror electric guitar playing?
Yes I've heard it ,once in awhile mentioned,but not enough.
More often than not in professional press music critiques and often commenters don't take this into account,that vocalists aren't merely trying to blend or emphasize with formulaic placement and pitch but actually experiment with pitch and placement in a given song.
Your channel is awesome man! Congrats
I guess I'm a genius for always singing along guitar solos, lol.
Also, another singer who does this Diamanda Galás. She collaborated with Led Zeppelin's bassist John Paul Jones on a song called "skotoseme" where she kind of sang what the guitar is supposed to do while John played the bass and someone played the drums. It's a good song and she does some crazy stuff with her voice, it'd be great if you made a video about her. Her screams are also insane and out of this world.
YOOO you just unlocked an earlier memory of me listening to a bunch of different artists from different genres and tried identifying each singer with an instrument (Travis Scott embodies characteristics of an electric guitar, while an R&B singer like Jhene Aiko sounds like what I imagine a piano would sound like if it was a human lady, while a rapper like Gunna completely embodies the chill-ness of the flutes and stuff)
thank you for this post bro now I just gotta find what instrument best suits my voice ;)
That's brilliant Chris! Love it. When I think of Robert Plant I automatically fallback onto Steve Marriot who I understand was a big influence on Robert Plant. Steve Marriot is just mind blowing when it comes to range and phrasing. His live performances are incredible. Steve's influences are Booker T, Otis Redding, Ray Charles and those cats. And that's where all of that amazing rock/blues vocal phrasing comes from. Evolved of course, morphed and mutated but if you listen closely you can hear the origin of it all every time.
Steve is a great parallel!
I totally agree-Steve drips with soul-the original blue eyed white soul singer going back to 1965 with Small Faces-and then Humble Pie-he never gets enough credit-shame-
This is one of the things I love about going to blues jams. If I’m matched with an expressive guitar player, I’ll signal him or her to take an extra 12 bars for a solo,and mimic lines back and forth.
Yes, plus all his early Black Blues influences, and Elvis, a huge influence.
I've only in the last ten years appreciated how brilliant Zeppelin were...and they are unbelievable..but your pointing out about Plant's vocal /guitar trade offs is eye opening for me..I've always known him as a great singer but this explains so much more than I had realised..thanks for the tip !!!
I kinda had this in my head since I started singing. I would try to imitate the sound of different instruments specially electric guitar! but never i would've thought that plant actually was doing this all the time. I only did it for fun and practice but I guess that's responsible for my vibratos today
led zeppelins label mates bad company, has one of the best blues rock singers in paul rodgers. rodgers work with free and bad company was awesome. he still sounds good in his mid 70's today too.
You are brilliant. I think once we get out of our own instrument (voice, violin, gtr, synth, etc.,,) we grow so much. Big history there like Allan Holdsworth listening to sax players. 😀
I heard Plant tell a story in an interview where he said,in the early days of Zeppelin, Bonham told him , “Planty your not very good.” Maybe that’s what motivated him to find his role in the band.
I heard that when Plant auditioned for Zeppelin, Page thought "this guy is just too good. Why is he not already at the top?There must be some hidden downside to his character" so he went asking around to discover if Plant was a raving psychopath or had some other kind of personality problem. Luckily, Robert Plant was just a nice guy with a lot of talent.
That is the most interesting analysis of Plant and it totally puts into a concept of how to view Plants singing style.
Funny, this is how they've been writing melody for yrs in studios. But glad you figured out a new technique. Prosperity to you brother
Love you talking about this. I instantly think about 'Tea for One', a hidden gem, still one of my all time favorites. But, how come was this video so short?
More people watch short videos :) trying to keep my times down a little to extend my reach!
@@chrisliepe B-b-but we want more!
When you focus on Led Zep: Good Times
When said video is short: Bad Times 😁
Tea For One is a fantastic example of a guitar and vocal being as one and capturing the mood of a song. The pain and loneliness is palpable. The sliding lick Page plays in the verse is absolutely perfect for the lyric
I've been doing this for a while now. I use the guitar to find melodies and harmonies and as a reference. Works especially well for the blues and blues rock.
very interesting insight and insanely inspiring as always!
Someone was talking about a singer whose name I forget, who was singing the same way he was playing his guitar. Was it you who posted such a video?
This is why Pantera is such an iconic band, and why Down is still so loved. Phil is amazing at riffing off the guitar and Dime and Pepper Keenan are great bluesy musicians that support that.
I came across the whole "play your guitar like its a singer" from Derek Trucks' playing! Especially with his slide, his guitar literally sings! Many times it's the most simple/common sense sounding advice that can end up bieng profound & effective. Just breaking things down or even simply hearing them worded in a different way can open up whole new worlds & possibilities. The vice versa of "singers using thier voice like playing an instrument" is also great thinking! A simple idea like that can def change your whole thought & decision making process and potentially lead you to some interesting places!
Plant is a phenom. Been loving him since the 70’s. Saw Zeppelin, and Plant solo, multiple times…. Yeah I’m old
Same. Saw Led Zeppelin in 1971, saw Robert Plant last month. His voice is as strong as ever. Great show!
@@aspasialogica8416 Are you saying Plant can sound like he did in 1975??
I listened to 'Walking Into Clarksdale' and I did not like it because Plant's voice sounded thin, weak, and annoying.
You may be old but these young fuckers missed the 70’s. Nothing is worse than that.
@@beatlesrgear All I can say is he was in full voice at Merriweather Post in June.
Hey Chris, I've watched a ton of your videos on compression and distortion. I have definitely made significant progress with singing while using grit and distortion but sometimes after a long singing session of using distortion my voice will be sore or tired for the next day or so. Is it normal to have a sore/tired voice after singing for a long time while using compression even when using correct technique, or am I doing something wrong technical wise? I don't have pain or uncomfort while singing with distortion, but sometimes my voice will be sore after.
Yep, its normal, but doesn't have to be! I can show you how to "budget" so that you can remain consistent and learn your voice's thresholds so you don't ever burn out your voice! Have you considered joining my Discover Your Voice course?
This is a great video. Very outside of the box thinking. Love it Chris.
This happens every musician, we relisten to stuff we didn't like when younger. And realise how brilliant it is. It's part of your growth as a musician.
Cool vid. They really all "got in" with each other. The 1970 show shown in this video is a good example. Go to the breakdown of Whole Lotta Love. You can see Bonzo following Plant.
I just got the Mothership album this Spring and have a new appreciation for Robert Plant, also.
Very cool insight! As a Zeppelin fan since the age of 13, I've always loved Plant's voice and Page's guitar playing. The two absolutely compliment one another. IMO, they're one of the most innovative bands ever. Thanks for this!!! (And your voice is AMAZING!!! 😉)
I can see how someone your age missed this. I grew up listening to Led Zeppelin when they were popular, touring and on the radio. 😮
When I started singing, I just imitated other singers, Robert Plant among them. I could tell right away he and Page had this chemistry and it came out by them expressing their individual instruments in a way that mimicked the other.
You know, Lennon and McCartney did this with their lyrics. They talked to each other in their music. It wasn't always positive either. I like the way Page and Plant communicated with one another better.
Anyway, music is a journey. Glad you discovered this on yours. It's pretty cool. Plant's style gives us permission to be more expressive and to shed our inhibitions. It's very freeing. Best regards!
Ya, I wonder if I'd have seen it if I'd grown up with Zeppelin... It would have been in my ears a LOT more! Thanks for your additional insights!
Dude you are a 100% correct and that's why personally I've been able to create lyrics to almost any song and sing because The voice is an instrument.
so what instrument(s) is Bjork doing with her voice, or not doing?
I've always used guitar to practise singing, but just singing the scales and bass runs.
The singer of another band sharing our rehearsal studio, older and more experienced than me at the time, said I was singing the wrong scales. Are there really any wrong scales though? If you can match anything you play on guitar note for note, you have a great arsenal when it comes to singing.
That was over 30 years ago, and since 2019, I haven't had a regular gigging band, so I'll be taking the course and brushing up on things! 👍🤘
Absolutely!! Yes! You nailed it i hear it after the 2nd verse of rock and roll. You put into words what i realized. Be literally goes up and down the scale like and instrument
You don't have to be a good teacher to get my attention. Nice research brother! Thank you for sharing!
Chris, you must have first heard Robert Plant outside of Led Zeppelin. I came to him on the otherside of his career, first hearing him with LZ. I truly admire your brilliant des of how Robert Plant uses his voice!
Very cool observation. I never heard/thought of that. Maybe its a generational thing, but I never "didnt get" any particular singer because their style was different from a preferred genre. Thats the beauty of music to me. Who wants everyone to sound the same? (which grunge suffered from a little bit). I can appreciate the voices ranging from Sade to John Fogerty, Steve Perry to Janis Joplin, and David Bowie to Paul Simon. I love all of it.
Interesting thought process!
LZ performed call-and-response between each of the players in various combinations.
Listen to "Dazed and Confused", for example. The bass opening is echoed by the drums. Then, about 1:15 in, the drums echo the lead guitar. At about 2:15, Plant calls with the lead guitar. In the same section, Bonham and Jones echo each other. Plant did more of what you describe in live concerts.
And THAT! It's how i made my guitar solos, after a while when you know so much the fretboard, you just sing the solo meanwhile playing it. If i can sing it, i can play it. And it works perfectly to improvise over jazz, blues, prog, etc...
finally someone gets it. Plants voice was an additional instrument layered on the music.
Lzzy Hale (Halestorm) does this, she often sings what she's playing on guitar and it has become part of her "signature" sound. I think if you looked you'd probably find alot of lead singer/guitarists approach singing this way. Great, informative, thought provoking vid as always, thanks.
Lzzy is amazing. One of the all time greats.
Anyone remember that Led Zeppelin tribute album from the mid 90s? It had STP, Helmet, Rollins Band, 4 non blonde etc.
Who played harmonica on the levee?
Steve Vai said in an interview that he has words and lines for every instrumental guitar tone. You can see it while he plays, he is almost singing and talking. Not only with the guitar, but also in his facial expressions
What a cool perspective. My eyes are opened
Welcome to the club, Liepe! 🤘
The Robert Plant club?
@@chrisliepe Heck yeah!