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Комментарии • 310

  • @Ravlol
    @Ravlol  6 месяцев назад +27

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    • @blueblueblue333
      @blueblueblue333 6 месяцев назад

      get better

    • @CrispyChrisCries69
      @CrispyChrisCries69 6 месяцев назад

      I think you start reading your scripts with your actual voice. Rav voice isn't doing it anymore. Your content is great, but if you switch to something closer to Darkmaine would be cool.

  • @vhfulgencio
    @vhfulgencio 6 месяцев назад +375

    That Caitlyn bot was malfunctioning

  • @python3322
    @python3322 6 месяцев назад +661

    I sometimes wonder how I'm trapped in the same elo as that Caitlyn, I'm genuinely confused how exactly that person can win matches and stay afloat

    • @plutigvid
      @plutigvid 6 месяцев назад +98

      Bro she's a bot. Rav is just at around the elo you start at as a baseline. The Cait will get level 30 on the account then the bot owner will sell the account.
      Sometimes they do this in ranked too because selling copper accounts is good money

    • @keleee
      @keleee 6 месяцев назад +2

      cope

    • @FridayFroths
      @FridayFroths 6 месяцев назад +7

      The truth is, if you are good enough at league, you will climb to where your individual skill should be. You are where you should be until you simply get better at the game bruv. Im not a high ranked player, but this is the truth. If you think it is your team every single game that keeps you trapped in your elo, lose the ego and actually analyse what you are also doing wrong, and improve it.

    • @python3322
      @python3322 6 месяцев назад

      @@FridayFroths I've had my literal diamond/emerald friends swap accounts w me and I performed normally in that elo like I do in my current, it could be my lack of motivation or i have the most dogpiss luck I dont even know

    • @itsallinthepast2944
      @itsallinthepast2944 6 месяцев назад +7

      @@FridayFroths except if you got cuck by riot with having higher LP lost than gain

  • @ddave_7560
    @ddave_7560 6 месяцев назад +201

    This caitlyn is a part of Riot Games new autobalancing system preventing players from reaching winrates higher than 52%

    • @StormCancerGr
      @StormCancerGr 6 месяцев назад +21

      Man yes , I swear to god every time I have a normal team, next game I have either disfunctioning bots or even flat out debuffs on my damage output. I believe it for real.

    • @ddave_7560
      @ddave_7560 6 месяцев назад

      @@StormCancerGr true

    • @ChoppyGaming
      @ChoppyGaming 6 месяцев назад +3

      "flatout debuffs on my damage output" is the biggest copium conspiracy theory I have ever seen lmfao. Just get better bro. @@StormCancerGr

    • @StormCancerGr
      @StormCancerGr 6 месяцев назад +4

      @@ChoppyGaming Its not about getting better or getting worse. Its about what happens after every win, even while playing with the same champion vs same champions. In some games the damage is just not there from the very beginning of them.

    • @GAMMA47
      @GAMMA47 6 месяцев назад

      No she was wintrading

  • @xnostalgiax
    @xnostalgiax 6 месяцев назад +375

    "Definitely didn't die" and he edited the deaths to show 0. I fucking lost it laughing so hard.

    • @E4Mafioso
      @E4Mafioso 6 месяцев назад +26

      Classic Rav

    • @d4rkn0x12
      @d4rkn0x12 6 месяцев назад +28

      That's a classic, just like "It could only end one way" -> DEFEAT -> Wait a minute !

    • @usucdik
      @usucdik 6 месяцев назад +5

      Saw what happened in the video like everyone else, typed out the events so we could see this rando narrating it. Classic RUclips comment.

    • @xnostalgiax
      @xnostalgiax 6 месяцев назад +8

      @@usucdik Read a comment a youtube, wanted to add his own completely useless 2 cents. Classic youtube comment.

    • @usucdik
      @usucdik 6 месяцев назад +2

      @@xnostalgiax Useless? Even more than your post? But I actually did something here. Your response proved it.

  • @silverwolf4991
    @silverwolf4991 6 месяцев назад +117

    I need a full episode on that Caitlyn player

  • @QuackZack
    @QuackZack 6 месяцев назад +81

    That Caitlyn's next match was a ranked game in placements with plats, and yes, she built null mantle against a nearly full AD team AGAIN. She went 0/9.

    • @PinHeadSupliciumwtf
      @PinHeadSupliciumwtf 6 месяцев назад +30

      This has to be a win rate dump bot or sth stupid.

    • @GAMMA47
      @GAMMA47 6 месяцев назад +12

      Thats a wintrade account

    • @kirinomane
      @kirinomane 6 месяцев назад +11

      @@PinHeadSupliciumwtf Actually yes. Though it's probably an account created and botted to sell them in iron elo.

    • @SmallPotato2313
      @SmallPotato2313 6 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@kirinomanethose usually play around bronze to iron elo tho...would be stupid to try to derank acc that has gold/plat mmr into iron

  • @lynarisevershadeshadowfall1684
    @lynarisevershadeshadowfall1684 6 месяцев назад +30

    That cait in no shape or form could be a human.
    What kind of sleep deprived drugs fueled state would one need to be to play that way is a mistery.

    • @foqsi_
      @foqsi_ 6 месяцев назад +1

      "mistery" lol

    • @witty3329
      @witty3329 6 месяцев назад

      a new player wouldn't act better

    • @lynarisevershadeshadowfall1684
      @lynarisevershadeshadowfall1684 6 месяцев назад

      @@witty3329 key word "new"
      Rav may not be Faker, but the bar we are setting is not that high to begin with.

    • @keleee
      @keleee 6 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@lynarisevershadeshadowfall1684 you do realize rav stays in that elo intentionally to make content off bad new players

    • @davidetosi2391
      @davidetosi2391 6 месяцев назад

      @@keleee nah, he just usually plays nonmeta picks. The difference between S+ tier and D tier is that you can't carry that Cait with D tier champ, and guess what? Every silver game has at least one Cait in them.

  • @WolfBergMenace
    @WolfBergMenace 6 месяцев назад +19

    "Havent played in 2 years"
    my guy roles and items have not been invented recently.

  • @Tw1s7
    @Tw1s7 6 месяцев назад +5

    more than 50% of my ADC are like that Caitlyn and nobody believes me lol

  • @kattatonik2356
    @kattatonik2356 6 месяцев назад +26

    For my own reserach i'm going to dub over a rav video with my own voice acting to show everyone that it is a bad idea. it's not a 1 to 1 change and it sacrifices too many things to still call it Rav's writing.

    • @Ravlol
      @Ravlol  6 месяцев назад +20

      Send me this, I agree as I’ve tried it too but would still like to see another’s take

    • @AmeenTheG
      @AmeenTheG 6 месяцев назад

      @@Ravlol can i send you my videos too mr raviola?👉👈

    • @kattatonik2356
      @kattatonik2356 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@Ravlol im terrified of trying this, im not a voice actor and i have no direction and I’m insecure, don’t release to public when i send the unlisted youtube video of voiceover, but I will do this Wednesday evening after work. I don’t think youtube has private messages I’ll send to business email for your consideration. Maybe it’s supposed to sound bad, and the cadence off, or should i try to emulate the same cadence as tts voice. But if i try to emulate the tts cadence then am I defeating the purpose of using a real voice? Let me take your script for this episode and just wing it, itll just be an experiment, no pressure.

  • @junkboy0
    @junkboy0 6 месяцев назад +16

    For the record Rav, you're the only person for whom I don't skip ADs. So yay? Factor75?

    • @klown83
      @klown83 6 месяцев назад

      Same lol. He's funny even in ads and his way of seamlessly going into them is something I applaud.

  • @boogienightsmarkwahlberg6011
    @boogienightsmarkwahlberg6011 6 месяцев назад +91

    Rav video=good day
    also bet your commentary on Palworld shenanigans would be straight gold

    • @Ravlol
      @Ravlol  6 месяцев назад +31

      Might dip into it, what’s the content angle? Hard difficulty blind?

    • @walterwhite6210
      @walterwhite6210 6 месяцев назад +2

      you get guns and shoot Pokémon’s I think it’s ok

    • @bizw
      @bizw 6 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@Ravlol always hardest difficulty blind

    • @bunkbeds3001
      @bunkbeds3001 6 месяцев назад +14

      @@Ravlol "The content angle" as if this man couldn't make me laugh at drying paint with his S tier commentary. Just play the game and be funny my man, it's what you're good at.

    • @siegel947
      @siegel947 6 месяцев назад +1

      If ravioli manages palworld I hope he names his pig pal Howard

  • @ShoshinManga
    @ShoshinManga 6 месяцев назад +36

    Rav did it again...
    He played this garbagio game...

  • @TheuglykidDk
    @TheuglykidDk 6 месяцев назад +3

    You could do “watch paint dry” commentary videos and I would still be amused by the way you can put your words together

  • @TheFUSense
    @TheFUSense 6 месяцев назад +1

    that cait shows clear signs of 4000 ping syndrome to me

  • @therealoatmeal4642
    @therealoatmeal4642 6 месяцев назад +2

    10:26 I love rav has some snarky nickname for every champion but respects shen for the gigachad that he is (def not a shen main)

  • @Feuerhamster
    @Feuerhamster 6 месяцев назад

    Rito: "Burst mages definitely will need some durability to survi-whooops we broke them again"
    Also rito: "ADC deal damage so they don't need durability, mobility or pretty much anything but damage but to balance their higher damage we will nerf their damage. I am gdoo at blanancing."

  • @deaula
    @deaula 6 месяцев назад +2

    The bots in league have become ridiculous. Please make that video.

  • @hypermalware1364
    @hypermalware1364 6 месяцев назад +1

    That Caitlyn should've been in Iron and not Silver... LIKE WTF??????

  • @MiloThatch420
    @MiloThatch420 6 месяцев назад +7

    Shwein (swain + hwei) combo bot lane was good. 👍

    • @ahmedbraham3327
      @ahmedbraham3327 6 месяцев назад +1

      how did they lose though im confused AF ! he showed good gameplay of bot lane , then defeat screen ? what ???

  • @eon2330
    @eon2330 6 месяцев назад +1

    But like...
    It doesn't scale off of conqueror well.
    It scales 2.5x the damage it does right?
    So magic pen + things like haunting guise or press the attack are what scale it up.
    But it just does 50 + 3% bonus hp
    So it max heals 125 + 7.5% bonus hp if its true damage.
    But if you get a ton of haunting guises,
    1.06x1.06x1.06x1.06x1.06x 1.11 last stand x 1.08 press the attack.
    It goes to 1.6x 50 or 80, and 4.8 bonus hp.
    Healing 12% bonus hp + 200...
    Which.... is usually less than 1 single proc of sundered sky.
    But x 5 because its aoe... and sundered sky is also able to do it 5x but still, easier aoe no commitment.
    Or 1k+ 60% bonus hp(less because there is NO way you have 5 press the attacks AND true damage on all 5 enemies).

  • @user-001
    @user-001 6 месяцев назад

    this is the first time I watch this channel
    does he usually go in on the enemy this hard?🤣🤣

  • @echorealtz2157
    @echorealtz2157 6 месяцев назад +1

    That cait is not human.

  • @jondblond
    @jondblond 6 месяцев назад

    Just a swain tip - if you hit your E you can get a guaranteed W if you place it where you pull them

  • @marvcollins7842
    @marvcollins7842 6 месяцев назад +2

    Holy shit the gold-digger Lux joke was so perfect I can't believe it

  • @stormblessedfiora3494
    @stormblessedfiora3494 6 месяцев назад

    That Caitlyn is actually a pro player. I saw them playing Jayce recently in Ultraliga

  • @madmanmax3734
    @madmanmax3734 6 месяцев назад +2

    I've switched to support from jg and am amazed how bad some adc's are in low plat.

  • @blacknyellow962
    @blacknyellow962 6 месяцев назад

    The Collective 40,000 years of experience at it's finest.

  • @gabrielcastrorivera7564
    @gabrielcastrorivera7564 6 месяцев назад

    That 0 death edit killed me, lmfao!

  • @necromancer6405
    @necromancer6405 6 месяцев назад

    They do be hugging you and wanting you to squeeze xD.

  • @PoderSensuaaaal
    @PoderSensuaaaal 6 месяцев назад

    2:12 ok the fact that i instinctively looked up there and u actually photoshopped badly a 0 cracked me up

  • @Scoundr3ll
    @Scoundr3ll 6 месяцев назад

    I think Riot's philosophy this season is that if everyone is OP, no one is lol.

  • @11rook50
    @11rook50 6 месяцев назад

    i feel like watching caitlyns perspective first made it so much funnier

  • @hughjanus9078
    @hughjanus9078 6 месяцев назад +1

    I had one of those adc's the other day. She was playing jinx and toggled AA on every wave, missing atleast 5 cs every way. I can't believe i'm even saying this but she was even worse than the peaceful bot Cait you got, lmfao! Love your vids man, hella bingewatchable

  • @notayoutuber09
    @notayoutuber09 6 месяцев назад

    The tank items are pretty strong. The one that gives 80 MR and a hujge MR shield based on health is pretty damn goood. Also, some other thank items that have the same effect as sunfire

  • @kristophermcdermott3465
    @kristophermcdermott3465 6 месяцев назад

    Was it Caitlin who tried to surrender? The world may never know

  • @joaobatalha62
    @joaobatalha62 6 месяцев назад +2

    yes please! make it about that cait !

  • @stanimirborov3765
    @stanimirborov3765 6 месяцев назад

    this guy must be watched with subtitles on

  • @drage7082
    @drage7082 6 месяцев назад

    honestly that cait might not even have been a bot. it might have been a new player that got thrown into like emerald elo because of how bad the ranked system works. new players being thrown into gold, plat or even emerald isnt that uncommon

  • @williamedwards4151
    @williamedwards4151 6 месяцев назад

    I am a Swain main. Can confirm that this item is fire on him.
    Also, your ad transitions are *chef's kiss*. You are the only ytuber who's ads I don't skip.

  • @fapperino-ql4zu
    @fapperino-ql4zu 6 месяцев назад +2

    Ayy Rav. This is good on Fizz too.

  • @Dr_George
    @Dr_George 6 месяцев назад

    Props and credit to Icelandic Hero for inventing this build(on lillia)

  • @popfloydplays788
    @popfloydplays788 6 месяцев назад

    this man is level 60 on hardcore WoW

  • @user-hk6gs3ub2z
    @user-hk6gs3ub2z 6 месяцев назад

    that caitlin would of had me going wild

  • @MonsieurJo
    @MonsieurJo 6 месяцев назад

    With ingenious hunter the item proc every 4 second 👀

  • @ileanagheorghisor
    @ileanagheorghisor 6 месяцев назад

    I didn't see what secondary runes you picked, but know that ingenious hunter gives cdr to Unending Despair, making it proc even more.

  • @LeThougLiphe
    @LeThougLiphe 6 месяцев назад +1

    Was that a Lethal Tempo Malzahar jungle, or am I going crazy?

  • @LostOnceLefthanded
    @LostOnceLefthanded 6 месяцев назад

    I watched the video earlier where you narrated from that cailtyn's perspective and in comparison to this I feel like i want another video like that one. Caitlyn is entertaining as heck.

  • @mrzed2614
    @mrzed2614 6 месяцев назад

    Rav is the only channel where I don't skip the AD

  • @Umadoveracommentg
    @Umadoveracommentg 6 месяцев назад

    For a second i though i read “Riot uploaded: Rav did it again”

  • @foxtrotalphagolfgolfoskart3224
    @foxtrotalphagolfgolfoskart3224 6 месяцев назад +1

    That is a bot yes, seen alot more of em lately to, they follow adc or sup blindly, and often runs on top of teammates corpses wait to get killed

  • @riccardomosena4162
    @riccardomosena4162 6 месяцев назад

    they took "caitlyn bot" too serious xD

  • @AC-ut3nk
    @AC-ut3nk 6 месяцев назад

    Riot allow thing like this Caitlyn but Grave still got no cigar

  • @alexandrosk2871
    @alexandrosk2871 6 месяцев назад

    Do you know that Riot chat flags and chat bans you for writing 0:59 word? I didnt. Hopefully some of you guys will be spared from this joke ban

  • @celestialenigma7434
    @celestialenigma7434 6 месяцев назад

    Unrelated but totally feel when the Senna said that she sees the Yi and she is dead as he takes no damage does a million damage then takes less damage and goes invulnerable and I hate him

  • @Caphalem
    @Caphalem 6 месяцев назад

    I think that Caitlyn is prime material for a video

  • @Chris-fe1kx
    @Chris-fe1kx 6 месяцев назад

    i tried this on so many champions, it works so good with leblanc

  • @benwheeler4340
    @benwheeler4340 6 месяцев назад

    The problem with that damn game is that unfortunately, a brain dead player will always make a bigger impact than a good player on your team.

  • @Erebacher
    @Erebacher 6 месяцев назад

    Make whole series about the Caitlin ❤❤❤

  • @noskoolskate
    @noskoolskate 6 месяцев назад

    fun fact, there are actual bots that play ranked games now, they are 100% bots, that will just run into jg farm run it down and afk until its about to get the afk warning and repeat.

  • @SStephanGames
    @SStephanGames 6 месяцев назад

    Is noone gonna talk about how he also had a lethal tempo malz jungle on his team..?

  • @DexterMorris88
    @DexterMorris88 6 месяцев назад

    Full vid gogogo!

  • @Tyler1sBiggestFan-pl8xr
    @Tyler1sBiggestFan-pl8xr 6 месяцев назад

    scuffed QR code edit lmao

  • @socalangler4082
    @socalangler4082 6 месяцев назад

    the ad before i watched this video: "League is such a good game!"
    Rav: "Recently on my relapse back to playing this piss pit of a game..."
    LMFAO

  • @Juria1987
    @Juria1987 6 месяцев назад

    Pretty sure it was indeed a bot Rav, that or someone with the mental capacity of a slug who thinks Caith ult is good `engage` damage.

  • @phyrtiv
    @phyrtiv 6 месяцев назад

    So many support players just like Caitlyn,
    They dont even look human, until they talk 😂😂

  • @endras9415
    @endras9415 6 месяцев назад

    Rav should do a Iron expectate series or something like that 😂

  • @neduxas4933
    @neduxas4933 6 месяцев назад

    In the second game you build MR againsts 0 ap champs

  • @rolandklein30
    @rolandklein30 6 месяцев назад

    that food transition was sick

  • @notjustagirl461
    @notjustagirl461 6 месяцев назад +3

    you should play unending despair on maokai. it's so unimaginably fun!

    • @fudgefudge8913
      @fudgefudge8913 6 месяцев назад

      As soon as I read item description, I thought maokai

  • @mrkery9235
    @mrkery9235 6 месяцев назад +1

    I just started dota2 and been having a blast

  • @arashraz9203
    @arashraz9203 6 месяцев назад

    Hate to break it to U , bot that Cait was an actual bot playing Cait . There has been an increase in the amount of bots .

  • @moonblastx1996
    @moonblastx1996 6 месяцев назад +4

    Bro, the most annoying thing about League is how willing people are to surrender. Most games I can barely build 2 items and the game is over (either win or lose)

    • @foqsi_
      @foqsi_ 6 месяцев назад

      Yeah, ff culture is so fucking lame. Nobody gives a shit about winning anymore, they just want to dominate the rift. If they don't get fed within the first 10 minutes, FF!

    • @TheEstafista
      @TheEstafista 6 месяцев назад +1

      For me it's the oposide. How people play till the end in games that are over.
      I just have certain conditions for surrendering (or not).
      1. Can ANYONE carry this?
      2. Do we have good scaling and how well those people are doing/playing?
      3. What is the biggest threat in enemy team and can we deal with it? Like is this a skill issue or they have fed Yi and we have 0 CC.
      4. Are they actually playing to end the game? Are they focused on objectives and ending or they are limit testing and dieing.
      If all of those look bad I'll spam surrender votes even if we ace them (provided we can't end of that ace).
      Sometimes you get outskilled or counter picked hard, or camped mega hard and you just can't carry. If no one can don't waist your time

  • @dervakommtvonhinten517
    @dervakommtvonhinten517 Месяц назад

    i remember that swain/cait footage from another video

  • @TheErisianMonk
    @TheErisianMonk 6 месяцев назад

    I was a Jinx main for more than 5 years, starting the day she was released. Notice how I said Jinx, and not bot or adc? Yup. I had no fucking clue how to play League. No one ever tried to explain, they would just yell at me as I strolled into enemy jungle, trying to click on the other colour people. Or, no one would go top so I would sorta hang out there a little. Or not. I did not know what to do. I may have forced a 2-1-2 meta at one point, because no one else wanted to jungle, and I sure had no idea about it, so I would just go top with, well, the top.
    All while playing Jinx, mind you.
    So, my point was that, even going full retard, I am confident I played better than this Jinx and Caitlin.

  • @WoWMyrrh
    @WoWMyrrh 6 месяцев назад

    COUNTER BRUISER BRUISER LUX IS BACK AYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

  • @mikelezhnin8601
    @mikelezhnin8601 6 месяцев назад

    We also need to see this build on katarina 👀

  • @sweatysockz
    @sweatysockz 6 месяцев назад

    That Caitlin item sure is triggering

  • @mattmunns6283
    @mattmunns6283 6 месяцев назад

    What about the Malz jungle?? 😆 Is that some new Meta play?

  • @augustorocha5231
    @augustorocha5231 6 месяцев назад

    Need a video on the Caitlin player please

  • @Fatespinner
    @Fatespinner 6 месяцев назад

    The only thing that spams harder than Lillia is RUclips comment bots with PFPs that look like a Rav thumbnail.

  • @necrohero0
    @necrohero0 6 месяцев назад

    That Caitlyn holy shit

  • @user-fu1rm2gs5o
    @user-fu1rm2gs5o 6 месяцев назад

    Bruh contact that Cait, convince it to let you buy em a coach and record the video. Maybe it could flourish into something great.

  • @matter1234
    @matter1234 6 месяцев назад

    at 7:00 why didn't she just run to tower?

  • @snaxximan5737
    @snaxximan5737 6 месяцев назад

    Palworld journey when?
    A dokustyle series like you did for WoW.

  • @jmgapa
    @jmgapa 6 месяцев назад

    Just came back to this pit pissed with loath and anger...and the map has changed?...tf?

  • @mr.budsrome9569
    @mr.budsrome9569 6 месяцев назад

    Full video!

  • @RuneKatashima
    @RuneKatashima 6 месяцев назад

    Apparently that Nocturne went 17/1. Oof. Rav lost every Swain game he got to build Unending Despair too. Makes me wonder why he did this video, lol.

    • @keleee
      @keleee 6 месяцев назад

      low quality content

  • @tylerfrost4110
    @tylerfrost4110 6 месяцев назад

    oh my god this shit is FUNNY. thank you

  • @yihadistxdl951
    @yihadistxdl951 6 месяцев назад

    calling nilah katara isnt leaving my head in a while

  • @nanoferreira39
    @nanoferreira39 6 месяцев назад

    the caitlyn man

  • @makaramuss
    @makaramuss 6 месяцев назад

    I would legit call 911 and tell them I suspect someone having a seizure bıt not sure

  • @gettingwetwithsharkie3039
    @gettingwetwithsharkie3039 6 месяцев назад

    Hey Rav, I got your mouse mat today. It's way bigger than I thought it would be xD

    • @Ravlol
      @Ravlol  6 месяцев назад

      Material is super nice eh?

  • @MultiReptilian
    @MultiReptilian 6 месяцев назад

    1:47 3 to 2 surrender means this is quickplay, nothing about what you say or do regarding items really matters

    • @Ravlol
      @Ravlol  6 месяцев назад

      Everything I say matters

  • @DIDeusIratus
    @DIDeusIratus 6 месяцев назад

    That cait was a lvling bot lmfao holy shit silver / gold can't be this bad. Also can I introduce you to rylai malignance swain?

  • @EEPER7
    @EEPER7 6 месяцев назад

    He knows Zeman!!! Love from czechia :DD

  • @trikksster
    @trikksster 6 месяцев назад

    CAITLYN SYNDROME??????

  • @Caliban743
    @Caliban743 6 месяцев назад

    Did you really do Free Bird like that bro

  • @forseris
    @forseris 6 месяцев назад

    I knew that i wasnt tripping.... that approximet 50% wr mark has to stop... one game you are just mowing everyone down, next game you have 2-3 walking AI's feeding their ass off on already fed enemy tm. and the amount of ranked games accounts below level 100 is insane lately, usually u get lvl 30 actual newbie while enemy has lvl 30 faker. Rito explanation please?