When I first started doing Simandl I found it crazy as coming from electric bass already doing complicated and ergonomic fingering using 4 fingers, and and developing intonation was hard. When I modified the fingering patterns playing 3rd position for example instead of a lot of 1st position it became clearer. We are asked to do so much more on double basses these days and the more algorithms and ergonomics we employ the better. There are a lot material around now to support what I was doing which is almost 40 years ago now. I am going to have a full look at this to see the variations.
I really like this approach, I got an RSI a few years ago that I think this method could have helped prevent haha. I've been working son a similar approach for electric bass recently which involves using a lot of 4 notes per string scale exercises.
My bass teacher also told me simandl works well on the average bass, which doesn’t really sound good at all out of 1st position, and the whole climbing the g string is better for those average crappy basses. Now that basses are better made, I think you’re paving the way and it will be received.
The"old method" develops positios progressively so fingering are organized in this way and works a lot on the first string. Your knowledge of the instrument is advanced so you can chose different positions freely and it's nice that you have reorganized the fingering of the entire book, but there are many other study books made to help us develop those position through the entire fingerboard. Of course yours it's a great job, I don't know if it would work with beginnes but could be really interesting fot those who don't need to practise concerto studies, in this way they would play preatty easy exercise putting attention on new way of playing through the fingerboard. I hope that I understood your purpose right, I wish you good luck with the sale!
Of course there are "many other study books" made to develop those positions. I'm 28 years old and the instrument has been around for 500 years. I did not invent this concept lol. Yes, this is the mission of my book, and I believe that the two methods can be learned concurrently to maximize your ability on the instrument.
your book covers some right hand exercises/principles to get "the good sound" from the bass? i can hear my pianist and guitarist friends moping around for that low phat snore tone of the first positions
It actually doesn't cover any right hand! I'm working on simplifying that ... right hand is harder, ha. It does give you all you need to know about the left hand though!
I starting to like this method, tho I dislike using the 6th note as an open string, it feels kinda weird having to leep frong from the top string to the bottom string.
Great question! The difference is that it uses open strings to migrate across the instrument and get from one position to the other. You don’t really do that on electric (or at least I don’t)
It actually sounds better in the new position. I guess the bass roles have changed over the years. I wonder what arco players would say about it. Does is work for arco also?
It does work for arco, but the open strings can sometimes be challenging. A lot of orchestral players don't use open strings as much, but there is a lot to be gained from practicing the exercises arco as well as pizz (which I do).
Hi Cole My first and only teacher introduced me to the Italian left-hand technique whereby I generally use finger 3 rather than 2, except when playing higher up. I wondered how relevant your New Simandl book would be, indeed finding sources is problematic for us 'weirdos'! I have thought about swapping to the more conventional method but I usually play groove lines rather than walking or soloing ie thumb position. Thanks, Chris
Hey, thank you for your order! So the backing tracks are available on Spotify and they go with all the exercises. Unfortunately, I could not assign the correct names - the stores rejected "F Major," "Bb Major" etc, so they all have silly names like "Woodlands." However they do go in chronological order with the exercises in the book!
Hey Cole - thank you this looks great! I ordered the PDF and I was wondering if the backing tracks were available anywhere besides Spotify... I have Apple Music but not Spotify.
Hey Andrew! Thank you for your order, and I hope you like the book. The backing tracks are also available on Apple Music - just search "The New Simandl" and you'll find them!
Is there a distinction between this and the Rabbath method or Hal Robinson's "Boardwalkin" adaptation of that? Maybe this is a classical/jazz divide, but most modern classical pedagogy has already moved away from Simandl and towards a whole-bass diatonic approach as exemplified by Rabbath's 6-position framework.
Great question. Yes, the distinction is that this is much easier and more familiar. I love the Rabbath method and I practiced out of his books religiously when I was in college. However, for someone who isn’t totally familiar with that approach yet, it can be daunting. The New Simandl is totally suitable for a beginner player. Also, mine has backing tracks ;)
My dude. I’d like to give this to my students. All us modern dude have had to kinda just make this shit up. It should be codified! Have you looked at the book boardwalkin’ by Hal Robinson? It gets into this stuff in a great way.
Do you have the fingering for your version of Confirmation? (and other bebop tunes) in this method? Also what strings and string action you use? Seems you need a very low action.
@@coledavismusichi Cole I ordered both of them. I downloaded the bundle, how many pages does scales and arpeggios method have? I got six pages of arpeggios, it stops with dominant 7#9
Because of my small hands and some pre-existing injuries I've decided that I want to use a more shifting technique than stretching technique. I am playing electric. Does anyone have opinions on if this technique would be helpful?
Hey Faron, I actually think this works great for electric (I play electric as well). Since this is more of an "electric bass" fingering, it translates very well. The only thing is the use of open strings - it's way more logical to use open strings on upright than on electric, where the open strings pop out more.
When I first started doing Simandl I found it crazy as coming from electric bass already doing complicated and ergonomic fingering using 4 fingers, and and developing intonation was hard. When I modified the fingering patterns playing 3rd position for example instead of a lot of 1st position it became clearer. We are asked to do so much more on double basses these days and the more algorithms and ergonomics we employ the better. There are a lot material around now to support what I was doing which is almost 40 years ago now. I am going to have a full look at this to see the variations.
I appreciate it! Thanks for watching!
I really like this approach, I got an RSI a few years ago that I think this method could have helped prevent haha. I've been working son a similar approach for electric bass recently which involves using a lot of 4 notes per string scale exercises.
Thank you! Yes, this method definitely helps prevent injuries of any kind. Looking forward to hearing your approach to electric bass!
me too
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Wow that's so kind. Thank you for watching :)
My bass teacher also told me simandl works well on the average bass, which doesn’t really sound good at all out of 1st position, and the whole climbing the g string is better for those average crappy basses. Now that basses are better made, I think you’re paving the way and it will be received.
That's a Vulfish cover, super! Nice presentation 👍
Thank you, it is much appreciated!
The"old method" develops positios progressively so fingering are organized in this way and works a lot on the first string. Your knowledge of the instrument is advanced so you can chose different positions freely and it's nice that you have reorganized the fingering of the entire book, but there are many other study books made to help us develop those position through the entire fingerboard. Of course yours it's a great job, I don't know if it would work with beginnes but could be really interesting fot those who don't need to practise concerto studies, in this way they would play preatty easy exercise putting attention on new way of playing through the fingerboard. I hope that I understood your purpose right, I wish you good luck with the sale!
Of course there are "many other study books" made to develop those positions. I'm 28 years old and the instrument has been around for 500 years. I did not invent this concept lol. Yes, this is the mission of my book, and I believe that the two methods can be learned concurrently to maximize your ability on the instrument.
your book covers some right hand exercises/principles to get "the good sound" from the bass? i can hear my pianist and guitarist friends moping around for that low phat snore tone of the first positions
It actually doesn't cover any right hand! I'm working on simplifying that ... right hand is harder, ha. It does give you all you need to know about the left hand though!
I starting to like this method, tho I dislike using the 6th note as an open string, it feels kinda weird having to leep frong from the top string to the bottom string.
So.. is it basically fingerings for electric bass? if not what's the difference?
Great question! The difference is that it uses open strings to migrate across the instrument and get from one position to the other. You don’t really do that on electric (or at least I don’t)
It actually sounds better in the new position. I guess the bass roles have changed over the years. I wonder what arco players would say about it. Does is work for arco also?
It does work for arco, but the open strings can sometimes be challenging. A lot of orchestral players don't use open strings as much, but there is a lot to be gained from practicing the exercises arco as well as pizz (which I do).
Hi Cole
My first and only teacher introduced me to the Italian left-hand technique whereby I generally use finger 3 rather than 2, except when playing higher up.
I wondered how relevant your New Simandl book would be, indeed finding sources is problematic for us 'weirdos'!
I have thought about swapping to the more conventional method but I usually play groove lines rather than walking or soloing ie thumb position.
Thanks, Chris
I'm sure it would be useful for the 3 finger technique since it maximizes the 5th and 6th position! It's easier to play 3rd finger up there
Hey Cole got your book and love it so far
How should I use the backing tracks on your Spotify?
Hey, thank you for your order! So the backing tracks are available on Spotify and they go with all the exercises. Unfortunately, I could not assign the correct names - the stores rejected "F Major," "Bb Major" etc, so they all have silly names like "Woodlands." However they do go in chronological order with the exercises in the book!
Hey Cole - thank you this looks great! I ordered the PDF and I was wondering if the backing tracks were available anywhere besides Spotify... I have Apple Music but not Spotify.
Hey Andrew! Thank you for your order, and I hope you like the book. The backing tracks are also available on Apple Music - just search "The New Simandl" and you'll find them!
Is there a distinction between this and the Rabbath method or Hal Robinson's "Boardwalkin" adaptation of that? Maybe this is a classical/jazz divide, but most modern classical pedagogy has already moved away from Simandl and towards a whole-bass diatonic approach as exemplified by Rabbath's 6-position framework.
Great question. Yes, the distinction is that this is much easier and more familiar. I love the Rabbath method and I practiced out of his books religiously when I was in college. However, for someone who isn’t totally familiar with that approach yet, it can be daunting. The New Simandl is totally suitable for a beginner player. Also, mine has backing tracks ;)
I switch between Rabbath and Simandl depending upon the need for greater interval distances along the string.
Me too!
Does work in electric bass????
Hey Cole hi, Are you selling physical copies or just digital ?
Hi Oscar! My books are PDF only. But if you enter the code “EAGLES” you get 50% off … tonight only!
My dude. I’d like to give this to my students. All us modern dude have had to kinda just make this shit up. It should be codified! Have you looked at the book boardwalkin’ by Hal Robinson? It gets into this stuff in a great way.
Please do! And yes, I actually have - Hal is the man
Do you have the fingering for your version of Confirmation? (and other bebop tunes) in this method? Also what strings and string action you use? Seems you need a very low action.
I do! They are all available on my Patreon at www.patreon.com/coledavismusic
And I use high action now, but at the time of this video I used low action
About Time!!!!
Ha! thanks for watching
That's great!! 👍👏
Does your two methods, scales & arpeggios and new simandl have fingerings notation above the score as in the video?
Thank you Gregory! And yes - both of them do!
Hi Cole, I'd like to order your 2 books, do you ship abroad?
@@gregoryroumieu9108 My books are actually PDF only! So no need to worry about shipping :)
@@coledavismusichi Cole I ordered both of them. I downloaded the bundle, how many pages does scales and arpeggios method have? I got six pages of arpeggios, it stops with dominant 7#9
@@gregoryroumieu9108 exactly! It’s not a big PDF, but it does offer a re-fingering of all the scales and arpeggios you will need :)
Because of my small hands and some pre-existing injuries I've decided that I want to use a more shifting technique than stretching technique. I am playing electric. Does anyone have opinions on if this technique would be helpful?
Hey Faron, I actually think this works great for electric (I play electric as well). Since this is more of an "electric bass" fingering, it translates very well. The only thing is the use of open strings - it's way more logical to use open strings on upright than on electric, where the open strings pop out more.
@@coledavismusic thank you so much for your help
@@coledavismusicdoes this have tabs? I'm new to bass and want to make sure I can actually use this if I buy. I can't read staff. Thanks
Cole, I emailed. Download. Link did not work, should I request refund?
Hi Judy. I got your email. I sent you a reply email with the PDF. Should I send again?
@@coledavismusic please. I. Just checked again and do not see one.